Posted with Beamer's blessing lol

So we head into a season with high expectation for the first time in over a decade... how's this shit gonna play out? I had to sit my daughter down last night and prepare here for her first real super bowl run... I explained there will be highs and lows but not to get too caught up one way or the other and try and just enjoy the games week by week... some of my most torturous seasons ever ended with the 9ers holding up the Lombardi Trophy... this time I'm going to try and just enjoy the ride.

I see us finishing somewhere from 10-6 to 12-4... I'm not even going to bother going week by week with wins and losses... some teams we think are good will be awful and some awful teams will end up being good... then there are injuries. All I really care about is having this team healthy come Dec... if we sneak in at 10-6 or something I'm fine with it. Home field and all that shit really isn't that big a factor with a team that runs the ball and plays good D. Just get to the dance and I'm good.

Let's do this... should be fun.
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I hate to say it but I'm expecting a loss Sunday. I really don't expect to see the 9er offense firing on all cylinders until sometime around week 4 or 5. Not saying they won't makes some plays and move the ball, but it's going to take some time to find out how all these moving parts fit together.

I can see the Pack striking early and putting us in a 14-3 10-0 type hold after a quarter. Will Alex and the new and improved receiving core be up to the challenge? If Ginn were playing I'd feel a little better about this game... but truthfully as it stands the only way I see us stealing this is with at least a +2 advantage in the turnover battle.

27-20 Packers
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An opening day win in GB is a tough not to crack. Rogers is going to be gunning for us and their D is improved. I'm mostly looking for how our offense holds togehter.

then again, it's been a long time since we've seen the niners start the season as a marquee game that most of the country gets to see.

10-6 sounds about right to me as well. Trying to recreate last year's turnover differential seems like a really tough task given the tougher schedule. We can probably make up for some of that by being more efficient in the red zone, but we'll see.

Ultimately, just hoping for good health in December, and a chance at the chip.

Lotta tough games in that schedule. Fortunately there's not much in-division that's got me worried as of now.

I could easily see 3 teams finishing 500 or higher

Seattle is the one I'm watching carefully... if they get quality QB play look out.
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Not buying the Cards and the Rams just yet though.

To me, Seattle is our only major threat for the NFC West. I have a feeling Russell Wilson is going to be really, really good. This kid was 1st team All ACC. Then transfers to Wisconsin and wins Big 10 QB of the year. And to top it off, he clearly outplays everyone in SEA to win their starting job. This guy might be special.

While the Rams and Cards will be improved, I don't see them making a run for the NFC West.

Our D is going to handle a rookie QB, especially with their mediocre receivers.

The teams that passed successfully on us last year: Cowboys, Eagles, Saints. Those were all experience QBs familiar with their systems throwing to a talented receiver corps.

i have no doubt that the niners will put young russ in check. But the rest of the league doesn't have our defense. I think the Seahawks will do well against other teams.

they need to make the right couple of moves in the draft

they are fighting this season compared to some others.
I thought for sure Washington would beat them.

NASCAR Stache might on to something.

I think they beat us, but hopefully not by much. Would love to see our pass D keep the score down.

As much as I really want to see our upgraded passing offense, I have a suspicion the offensive game plan is going to be very heavy on the run. Unless/until we get behind by 14 points.

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Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:00 am by David Fucillo

The start of the NFL season means more random news for the fine folks at TMZ to break out for us. And we get a 49ers story right off the bat from the TMZ staff.

According to TMZ, Aaron Rodgers is friends with Boyz II Men and asked them to perform the National Anthem at tomorrow’s 49ers-Packers game. Boyz II Men agreed on one condition by Nathan Morris. Morris, who TMZ describes as “the guy with the deep voice”, is reportedly a huge 49ers fans. He apparently suggested a bet with Rodgers. If the 49ers win, Rodgers must wear an Alex Smith 49ers jersey for the remainder of the week. If the Packers win, Morris has agreed to wear a Rodgers jersey.

TMZ is reporting a rep for the band has confirmed the bet.

I have to say, that is a pretty ballsy wager by Rodgers. I’d imagine he is confident about his team’s chances at home against the 49ers, but even still, this is quite the wager.

Of course, we already know one guy who knows how to sport an Alex Smith jersey. Thanks to wjackalope for one of my favorite game thread pictures ever, after the jump.

i think we'll control the tempo on the offensive side and have mind-numbingly long drives. Defensively we'll bring just enough pressure and turn those GB touchdowns into field goals.

i think we can run on em after a few big pass plays, lookin for kendall and crabtree to have good games

and we need pressure on defense

niners 24-green bay 20

Beating Green Bay @ Lambeau, not sure a team's gonna get a more impressive win in the regular season.

Re-signing Ahmad Brooks is already paying off, he was huge on that last drive.

It will be impressive.

49ers looked great going out on the road and controlling the game against a good Packers team. I started to sweat a bit after that punt return but Bowman stepped up and made the play of the game.

Gotta like the Niners chances to repeat as NFC West champions. Rams looked more competent than last year but still managed to lose a game that Stafford all but handed to them in the first half. Wilson looked more rookie-ish than he did in the pre-season and I think his inexperience is going to keep them from really challenging this season. Cards got the win but didn't look all that impressive and they still have no idea what's up with their QB situation.

Amazing that Willis got pulled off in favor of Bowman at times. This coaching staff doesn't play sentimental favorites and it paid off.

a big 3rd down.

and what better niner team to do it then this one.

Offensively, i didn't think we'd fire on all cylinders but i knew we'd have our way on the ground. As long as frank n kendall held the ball tight, our running game was an automatic 5 yards a carry. Once that got going, it was pretty easy to get those under routes / quick slants. Bush sucks, tramon is coming off a down year, and woodson is further from the line of scrimmage.

Defensively, if a team is one dimensional, they have no chance at all against us. AT ALL. If benson got at least 50 yards we'd have to respect him, but he was gettin punked out the nickel. I knew our db's would be up to the challenge and they did get a lot of contact in...but they were always bend but don't break and went stride for stride with GB's receivers. props to cully on that last one hot damn that was clutch.

Special teams wise, the field goal was amazing. The two out routes before that were alex's only ass juice throws but weren't a threat for turnovers. The punt return was a blown call with that block in the back (not on the one that they called, but i think on boobie?). That was a huge momentum shift. Happy to see Kyle back there doin his thing on the returns...lookin forward to his moment of redemption when he makes a big play for us.

So many weapons with a few more still under wraps .. jus prayin to the football God's we stay healthy. On to the lions.

But basically, pre-game thoughts were keep the game around 27 points and we'd be in good shape. Pleasantly surprised that we hung 30 and probably should have won by more. Want to see Alex throw deep to Randy when he's got man coverage but I'm guessing that things will open up a bit more going forward as the offense builds rhythm.

We have other prolific passing offenses to face, but none others possess a QB with the athleticsm of A-Rod so I'm impressed that we were able to keep him from going apeshit.

Great to get a win though, cannot lose sight of that. Bring on De-TWOIS

Had he gone a few weeks without getting a TD catch, I was afraid of things not being on the positive side for his signing.

The more he's a threat, the more dangerous our O can be.

Akers + Moss/Crab/VD + Gore + our D = good optimism about this season.

>Had he gone a few weeks without getting a TD catch, I was
>afraid of things not being on the positive side for his
>signing.
>
>The more he's a threat, the more dangerous our O can be.
>
>Akers + Moss/Crab/VD + Gore + our D = good optimism about this
>season.

He's probably the single best free agency pick up we got, for now and more importantly for the long term. I see him staying with us for years.

Dude for the most part did an excellent job an Matthews. Kept him bottled up except for those two sacks late in the game. We wasn't getting near Smith beginning of the second half, when we putting together drives.

He was left to handle Clay Matthews by himself a lot this game and when Matthews is right he can be a beast of a pass rusher. Matthews had a down year last season but his combination of speed and power off the edge is pretty elite. Throw in the difficulty of playing the first full game of the season on the road in a place like Lambeau which can make it hard to hear snap counts, and playing basically the entire game with a broken nose which causes a number of distractions and Staley was put in a pretty tough spot on Sunday.

Staley is a solid LT but not a great one. Good technique in the run game, very athletic in getting to the second level, and very assignment-sound in pass protection. But he struggles against powerful pass-rushers who can get him off-balance. He'll have some bad games against good pass-rushers but he'll generally get the job done and I think he'll be considerably better next week.

>He was left to handle Clay Matthews by himself a lot this
>game and when Matthews is right he can be a beast of a pass
>rusher. Matthews had a down year last season but his
>combination of speed and power off the edge is pretty elite.
>Throw in the difficulty of playing the first full game of the
>season on the road in a place like Lambeau which can make it
>hard to hear snap counts, and playing basically the entire
>game with a broken nose which causes a number of distractions
>and Staley was put in a pretty tough spot on Sunday.
>
>Staley is a solid LT but not a great one. Good technique in
>the run game, very athletic in getting to the second level,
>and very assignment-sound in pass protection. But he
>struggles against powerful pass-rushers who can get him
>off-balance. He'll have some bad games against good
>pass-rushers but he'll generally get the job done and I think
>he'll be considerably better next week.

Clay ate his shit. Not saying anyone could have done better, just that it was glaring.

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in the game thread, i see. sometimes i wonder wtf people are watching. Alex was money save missing Crabtree wide open in end zone, and even then he lasers one to VD afterwards. people don't seem to realize that we run the clock down when we take the lead and we're in control. i don't have stats on me since im on phone, but time of possession and prob tells story. the number of playran in comparison will also tell the story. Rodgers barely threw over 300 yds in an attempt to catch up and Alex with 200 at much better effciency. but people wanna keep looking at numbers solely. and yet, they hate(c)bartek

>in the game thread, i see. sometimes i wonder wtf people are
>watching. Alex was money save missing Crabtree wide open in
>end zone, and even then he lasers one to VD afterwards. people
>don't seem to realize that we run the clock down when we take
>the lead and we're in control. i don't have stats on me since
>im on phone, but time of possession and prob tells story. the
>number of playran in comparison will also tell the story.
>Rodgers barely threw over 300 yds in an attempt to catch up
>and Alex with 200 at much better effciency. but people wanna
>keep looking at numbers solely. and yet, they hate(c)bartek

It's funny how, you know a QUARTERBACK WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK HE'S TALKING ABOUT defended him saying that Alex stays not getting credit and that dude makes plays and takes care of the ball, what a quarterback is supposed to do. Oh yeah, that quarterback who defended him is Aaron Rodgers.

If Alex keeps rebutting with wins, these motherfucking idiots are rapidly approaching Republicans on some "Obama's foreign policy is wack even though he gave the order to go after bin Laden"

shit is comical to me

185

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Niners D and offense responded when they needed to... And I know the Pack have a terrible D, but no one (besides Niners fans) expected Alex to come out there and do his thing like he did... Besides the 2 incompletes at the end of the half, that boy looked GOOD! And I love that we can have fresh receivers in on almost every play... And Frank... Well damn, Frank is a rock... That touchdown run was beautiful... Can't wait until we can add Jacobs into the fold...

Harbough has these "mighty men" so ready to play... Can't wait until next week... Anyone else rolling to the home opener??

>And I love that we can have fresh receivers
>in on almost every play

Seeing P-Willis on the sidelines so much really drove home just how deep this team is... if you have the horses you might as well run 'em.


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Score doesnt reflect how bad we beat em. Those first 3 quarters were awesome. Alex looked good, Frank looks Fresh and all the WRs seem to be coming along. Been a long time since i have thought we can win games because of our O and makes it even better with that stout D. Thinking about getting tickets for MNF against the Bears at the stick and taking a little trip out there. Next week should be another big test and i said all along i would be happy being 1-1 after week 2.

It's a long year.

Great week one win but it's only week one... if we play GB again at some point I doubt either team will look the same as they did yesterday. I'm still not sure how our offense is really going to look... that Pack D was bad. Really, really bad. I do like how Harbaugh and them are using the personnel though... this team is as deep as any 9er team I've seen since the 90s.

The D is legit but I do think the replacement refs helped some... they seem worried about making a game changing call down field and tend to let more contact go on in the secondary than the regular refs do. The fact the Packers couldn't run the ball wasn't all that surprising to me but seeing their receiving core contained like that was. The physicality of the 9ers was pretty evident. Them dudes did not want to go over the middle.... they just never looked comfortable in close spacing.

So yeah nice win week one... but I'm not buying into all this shit I'm hearing this morning. Many of these same commentators that are on our nut suck this morning had us finishing last last year and said Alex Smith was total shit... I know as soon as there's some adversity this year these same assholes will be blowing it up into a full scale emergency and trying to whip the fan base into a panic.. I'm paying no mind to any of these worthless talking heads. It's a long year... let's just get to the dance as healthy as we can and take our chances. Fuck all this other nonsense.... let's just enjoy a good season of football.
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What I am confident in is the Harbaugh won't let this game gas the players heads up, leaving us ready to get upset Monday night. Teams are going to be gunning for us even HARDER after yesterday. Seriously, Detroit was already going to come into the next game with a wild hair up their ass. But I think we'll be mentally prepared for it.

I too like the way we used our personnel. I really liked that Kap play. And I'm interested in seeing if we can start going deep with Randy if need be.

But yes, good start. Very good.

>What I am confident in is the Harbaugh won't let this game
>gas the players heads up, leaving us ready to get upset Monday

Don't want you missing it lol

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>I'll be in the house and don't plan on leaving until after the
>handshake lol

i know it's only week 1 but the team looked good. like really fucking good. sans a cobb punt return, we controlled all aspects of that game.

the defense was so physical. everybody was going after it. they had last year's mvp trippin.

i also liked what i saw outta the offense. alex was solid. he used all his WRs well.

and akers with the boot! i couldnt believe it made that kick. harbaugh showed a lot of faith in him.

it's going to be a good season, niner fans!

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Aaron Rodgers to wear an Alex Smith jersey to fulfill bet
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Ah, the spoils of victory.

For the 49ers, and specifically quarterback Alex Smith, San Francisco’s 30-22 opening day win in Green Bay meant more than just a ‘W.’ According to the Hollywood gossip site TMZ, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers now has to wear Smith’s jersey.

Rodgers made a bet with singer Nathan Morris of the group Boyz II Men: If Morris’ band agreed to sing the National Anthem before the game, Rodgers would have to wear an Alex Smith jersey if the Packers lost. Morris sang and now Rodgers must come through.

“I did hear about the bet, someone told me about it,” said Smith, who has become good friends with Rodgers. “I’ll have to call him and get a picture.”

i was thinking the same thing. i can't wait to see some picks of rodgers in that #11 jersey.

NFC: Chicago (if healthy)
Dallas (if healthy and composed)

AFC: Houston

imo, those are the only teams in the NFL with the personnel matchups to really test what we do as a football team. Of course, we need to see if the offense can do what it did against green bay consistently.

Im not saying that we're going 16-0 or 15-1 or no shit..this NFL shit is week to week. In terms of playoff football though...these teams make me blink.

There's going to be at least one or two teams not even on your radar now that will be a threat come playoff time
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After week 1 we had a decent victory over the Seahawks powered by two special teams touchdowns. Pretty sure the league elites weren't looking over their shoulders yet.

I'm torn on Thursday's game... not sure if I want the Pack 0-2 or both teams at 1-1
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for 12 weeks of the regular season.

they've been keeping us in games we probably shouldn't have been in SINCE singletary's earliest days.

now we have competent offensive coaching and overall team management in place? YEAH.

there were moments in the game that were too damn vanilla and conservative but overall very good balance. offense takes longer to catch up but things looked fairly comfortable. i'm interested in seeing how we deal with a better overall defense though.

not gonna get caught up in records right now, but i look forward to this team improving in different ways each week.

When we get more than 7 points up, it's very obvious we go into clock-killing lead-protection mode.

I mean, with this D, I get it. But against the Packers we went FG, TD, FG, FG, TD, and then 3 short drives ending in punts until we had to score again.

i haven't paid much attention to any analysis this week 'cause every medium got entirely caught up in the *handshake* circle jerk.

>i haven't paid much attention to any analysis this week
>'cause every medium got entirely caught up in the *handshake*
>circle jerk.

So Stafford is gonna be chucking, we'll have to see how much pressure we can put on him. Megatron will probably get his shit off.

Their D is going to come inspired, so we need to protect Alex or he could get Suh'ed. I think our offense opens up a little, plus they're a dome team on the road so I think we can capitalize on that.

I think we can beat them but have no type of idea of what the score will look like.

Like you, I could see us throwing a bit more than usual. Honestly I think this game is on Alex win or lose. If he takes care of the ball like he has been and keeps moving the chains we'll be fine. But sooner or later we're going to have a regular season game where we turn it over... I just hope it doesn't start this week.

I'm going to take the 9ers but I can't help but feel like there's a turnover time bomb that's going to go off at some point... just the odds say it has to happen sooner or later.

But I'm going 31-23 9ers
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>Like you, I could see us throwing a bit more than usual.
>Honestly I think this game is on Alex win or lose. If he takes
>care of the ball like he has been and keeps moving the chains
>we'll be fine. But sooner or later we're going to have a
>regular season game where we turn it over... I just hope it
>doesn't start this week.

I'm not saying we won't turn over the ball ever again, but THAT was the game for Alex to have totally lost his shit and despite getting trucked by the Ravens defense, he didn't, and we were in that game for most of the contest.

>I'm going to take the 9ers but I can't help but feel like
>there's a turnover time bomb that's going to go off at some
>point... just the odds say it has to happen sooner or later.
even that game which shall not be discussed. our only turnover was on punt returns. all season long we protected the ball. don't seeing the wheels falling off just because some law of averages catches up to us.

>But I'm going 31-23 9ers





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Another TD instead of a field goal and I would've been dead on...

Wait... didn't they score 19 last year too?

Yep 25-19... what a weird number to have come up to years in a row. This team just doesn't score touchdowns against the 9ers do they?
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>I love Whitner...


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Outside of their D-line, the Lions D is very shaky. Really hard to see how they're going to account for Crabtree, Moss, and Davis, AND stop our running game.

And I think we make their offense one-dimensional pretty easily. I don't see them getting anything going on the ground on grass.

Unless Alex has a spontaneous regression day, I think we win this win handily.

I got faith in our D to hold them under 20 points... And I think our offense is gonna put up 31... at least...

I think Alex is gonna cut up their D just like he did to the Pack last week... Frank and Kendall gonna put up at least 100 yards...


This team is ready to come home and play for the home crowd... The crowd will be even louder after that victory last week...

I'm fuckin hella excited for this game... First day off in 2 weeks and I'm spending it at the STICK!

We made a lot of mistakes that made this game closer than it should have been, but it was pretty obvious from the outset we had the better team on the field.

Alex was really sharp. Take away all those drops and he's like 28-31. Some weird rollouts that got blown up led to him taking some ugly long sacks, but otherwise a very strong game from #11. Easily the better QB tonight.

Concerns going forward:

-Our special teams has definitely dropped off from last year. What the hell was going on with that onside kick? I have no confidence in our return coverage.

-Randy not that involved. Tactically, it's fine. But how long is he going to stay patient?

-Not getting as much pressure with the front four as we're used to seeing. Anybody with All 22 have some insights? People figuring out those Smith-Smith stunts?

>-Our special teams has definitely dropped off from last year.
>What the hell was going on with that onside kick? I have no
>confidence in our return coverage.
i'm ok with the decision we made, but not having blake costanzo has made a difference


>-Randy not that involved. Tactically, it's fine. But how long
>is he going to stay patient?
fuck Randy's patience, how about MINE? I need to see him get off on cats.


>-Not getting as much pressure with the front four as we're
>used to seeing. Anybody with All 22 have some insights? People
>figuring out those Smith-Smith stunts?
we've gone against two of the best offensive lines there are, check how successful their passing offenses were last year. i'm not overly concerned. still holding the QBs in check.

>i'm ok with the decision we made, but not having blake
>costanzo has made a difference
>

i really wish we could have kept costanzo. he was the heart of last year's special teams unit.

>-Our special teams has definitely dropped off from last year.
>What the hell was going on with that onside kick? I have no
>confidence in our return coverage.

Eh I liked the move personally... In the presser yesterday Harbaugh got a little irritated when Maiocco called it a 50/50 ball. He said "50/50 ball? Well I think we had a little head start" lol That dude's press conferences are almost as entertaining as the games.

>-Randy not that involved. Tactically, it's fine. But how long
>is he going to stay patient?

Week 3 coming up.. not thinking about this shit at all. Of course the media has already started the "when will Randy act up" shit... but then that's what they do. I'll worry about crossing that bridge if it comes to it.

>-Not getting as much pressure with the front four as we're
>used to seeing. Anybody with All 22 have some insights? People
>figuring out those Smith-Smith stunts?

It's simple...Lions were holding flat out. We picked up on that in the first series when they were down close to where we sit. They took a calculated gamble these refs wouldn't keep flagging them and it paid off... I think they only got called for 1 on a passing play.


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>Eh I liked the move personally... In the presser yesterday
>Harbaugh got a little irritated when Maiocco called it a 50/50
>ball. He said 50/50 ball? Well I think we had a little head
>start" lol That dude's press conferences are almost as
>entertaining as the games.

Well, he also said they could have had a dude back there and "had some things to address." I don't think we see that approach to an onside again anytime soon.


>It's simple...Lions were holding flat out. We picked up on
>that in the first series when they were down close to where we
>sit. They took a calculated gamble these refs wouldn't keep
>flagging them and it paid off... I think they only got called
>for 1 on a passing play.

Makes sense. These refs were not seeing those Pettigrew picks either.

>Well, he also said they could have had a dude back there and
>"had some things to address." I don't think we see that
>approach to an onside again anytime soon.

Not having the guy back there is what baits the team into kicking the ball down field... I'm assuming that was Seely's thinking. Personally I'd rather have a play like that than having a kicker ricochet a ball off a guy 10 yards away. I thought it was genius... maybe Harbuagh doesn't see it that way. Still no way is that a "50/50" ball.
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so many drops, and yet we were in complete control of the game. LOVE it.

We usually go 2-3 hours early and park in the neighborhood by Bayshore... but with the late start we decided to just go a little later with the plan to park in the business complex right by the tunnel (Blaken Ave) and pay the $30. We walk through that lot all the time and it's usually only half full. Problem is we hit some bad traffic, and when we got there an hour early, it was full. I really should have just went and parked farther out in the neighborhood behind the 7-11 off Bayshore... but I was worried we'd miss kickoff and decide to hit one of the dirt lots behind the Stick. I knew going in it would be 2 hours getting out... which is why we usually just park for free close by 101. Even with the walk you get home faster and it doesn't cost anything. We ended up missing the kickoff any way and got to our seats on 2nd down... there was a mass of people all trying to get in the back gates at once... not sure what had it so fucked up but it was a mess. I have a lot of good memories at the Stick but I won't shed a tear when it's gone.
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i think it's Gate C.

the dirt lots have no one directing traffic, so if you're stuck behind a person scared to cut in, you'll be stuck in there for a LONG time.

we usually chill/grill/drink for an hour after to wait for the traffic to die, but yeah, i will NOT miss that entrance/exit traffic.

we ALWAYS detour through the Lagoon Rd exit and take Tunnel to Beatty down to cut all the traffic on 101 trying to exit Candlestick Park.

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dope! alexander the great! hahaha. never thought i'd say that referring to alex smith.

There is no doubt (in your mind) who is going to win when you walk into the Stick!

except the crowd looks more like a raider game instead of the legion of golf-clapping-wine-and-cheese fans that were so used to 30 pts/game throughout the run.

But thats what happens when you have so many losing seasons... The wine and cheese crowd jumped ship to the Giants (SF) and now we have a new generation of hungry Niner fans who don't really remember SuperBowl XXIX and have only heard stories of the Montana, Rice, Lott, etc. days...

One thing I liked seeing yesterday was that there wasn't as many Montana, Rice, and Lott jerseys... More people were wearing VD, Willis, Aldon Smith, Alex Smith, Gore, etc... I'm gonna go find me a Justin Smith jersey soon...

A BIG change at that
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I'm guessing it's gonna be a mixture of the younger generation with the cheese and wine crowd... Not sure how well that will work, but it's gonna have to...


As much as I love Candlestick, I really can't wait until 2014...

at least its not 2015 like they first thought
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Things like that need to develop naturally... 9ers front office spending too much time at AT&T Park.
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we definitely should have something to cheer in unison for on 1st Down. 300 is so old though.

i personally have been rolling with "MOOOOOVE CHAAAAAAAAINZ!!!"

definitely. the feeling at the stick for this year's opener compared to last year's opener is like night and day. there's way more energy in the stadium. also, there's hardly any visiting fans. its a welcome change.

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isn't owen wilson a cowboys fan from dallas?

Ratto blew a gasket over this yesterday talking about they going Hollywood *smh*
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he's probably one of the only tv personalties/celebs besides pro wrestlers whom i've seen look twice as big in person. saw him at a warriors/lakers game a couple years ago doing pre-game commentary and he looked like grimace in a cheap target sweater. like, he's literally the widest human being ever.

dude's arteries absolutely cannot take another slice of pepperoni pizza.

The temptation to tell him what a proven no nothing piece of shit commentator he is would be too great
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http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/09/aldon-smith-involved-in-serious-weekend-car-crash.html

September 18, 2012

Aldon Smith involved in serious car crash Friday night


Aldon Smith was involved in a serious car accident two days before Sunday's game against the Lions. According to the California Highway Patrol, Smith was the passenger in a car that swerved to avoid a deer on a road in unincorporated Santa Clara County Friday night and ended up on its side on a dirt embankment.

The unidentified driver of the BMW was transported to San Jose Regional Medical Center with what the CHP described as a "broken back." Smith suffered a cut above his eye that required stitches. He was driven to Stanford Hospital, the 49ers' team facility, where he was treated. Smith played every defensive snap of Sunday's game and finished with seven tackles, a sack, a tackle for loss and a quarterback hit.

The accident occurred at 11:45 p.m. Friday near Smith's home in the hills east of San Jose. Alcohol was not a factor in the crash, the CHP said. Smith notified the 49ers, and presumably team officials transported him to Stanford Hospital.
Smith's home was the site of raucous party June 30 in which two people were shot and Smith suffered minor stab wounds. He also was charged with DUI in Miami Beach in January.

According to Miami-Dade County officials, Smith qualified for a program to reduce the charges to reckless driving. Among the parameters of the program are completion of a DUI school, 60 hours of community service, completion of a session of the victim-impact panel and paying $500 to a victim services or DUI enforcement fund.

-- Matt Barrows

First he gets stabbed trying to break up a fight and now the deer are after him? Who knew the suburbs would be so dangerous.

>http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/09/aldon-smith-involved-in-serious-weekend-car-crash.html
>
>September 18, 2012
>
>Aldon Smith involved in serious car crash Friday night
>
>
>Aldon Smith was involved in a serious car accident two days
>before Sunday's game against the Lions. According to the
>California Highway Patrol, Smith was the passenger in a car
>that swerved to avoid a deer on a road in unincorporated Santa
>Clara County Friday night and ended up on its side on a dirt
>embankment.
>
>The unidentified driver of the BMW was transported to San Jose
>Regional Medical Center with what the CHP described as a
>"broken back." Smith suffered a cut above his eye that
>required stitches. He was driven to Stanford Hospital, the
>49ers' team facility, where he was treated. Smith played every
>defensive snap of Sunday's game and finished with seven
>tackles, a sack, a tackle for loss and a quarterback hit.
>
>The accident occurred at 11:45 p.m. Friday near Smith's home
>in the hills east of San Jose. Alcohol was not a factor in the
>crash, the CHP said. Smith notified the 49ers, and presumably
>team officials transported him to Stanford Hospital.
>Smith's home was the site of raucous party June 30 in which
>two people were shot and Smith suffered minor stab wounds. He
>also was charged with DUI in Miami Beach in January.
>
>According to Miami-Dade County officials, Smith qualified for
>a program to reduce the charges to reckless driving. Among the
>parameters of the program are completion of a DUI school, 60
>hours of community service, completion of a session of the
>victim-impact panel and paying $500 to a victim services or
>DUI enforcement fund.
>
>-- Matt Barrows
>
>First he gets stabbed trying to break up a fight and now the
>deer are after him? Who knew the suburbs would be so
>dangerous.

I mean, who gets stabbed at their own party then involved in a serious deer related car accident within a couple of months of each other? Then again to be right in the middle of fight where shots get fired and a knife comes out and an accident where a car goes off the road into a ditch and only come away with a couple scratches is fairly remarkable.

Start living the good life and just chill....


obviously that won't happen because he's 22 and wants to party...


Glad he was alright...

you realize we haven't trailed on the scoreboard?? We had the lead in the Lions game 2 and a half minutes in and never looked back... Our defense comes out and shuts teams down from the get... Pretty impressive...

other than that onside kick.

we're just so good at imposing our style on other teams. right from the get, the niners dictate the way the game is going to be played. and it's not like these are shitty teams we're beating either. they're some of the better teams in the NFC. it's a beautiful thing!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/49ers-tarell-brown-fined-5250-for-red-undergarment-sleeves/

San Francisco cornerback Tarell Brown is paying the price for wearing a shirt underneath his shoulder pads that didn’t meet with the NFL’s specifications.

Brown had been fined $5,250, and Matt Maiocco has posted the letter Brown got from the league explaining the fine.

“Dear Tarell: During the Detroit Lions-San Francisco 49ers game on September 16, 2012, you were in violation of the NFL Uniform and Equipment Rules. Specifically, you wore red undergarment sleeves. Your team designated undergarment color is white,” the letter says.

It’s unclear whether Brown didn’t know that his team designated undergarment color is white, or if he knew and just didn’t care. The NFL’s fine is an attempt to make him care.

No
Fun
League
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Here's Alex Smith's run-in with the NFL clothes police

Earlier today on KNBR radio, Alex Smith revealed that he had been fined by the NFL. The infraction? Wearing a San Francisco Giants cap that was not sponsored by the league. Smith elaborated on that today, saying the fine amount was a whopping $15,000. He said players must wear league-sponsored apparel 90 minutes before and after games.

"So it's weird. Like, I can wear a Polo shirt after the game and they're not going to fine me for the Polo (logo)," he said.

He said that league later reviewed that fine - and one given to Patriots receiver Wes Welker - and decided to give the two warnings instead. Smith said that if he continues to wear the hat, perhaps the Giants can foot the bill.

"Yeah, can you call Larry Baer for me?" Smith said, referring to the Giants' chief executive.

-- Matt Barrows

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/#storylink=cpy

So even when players aren't on the field the league is coming after their wallets? I had never heard of that.

to the dec 30 (last) game, week 17, vs cards

gonna do san fran for new years, and i cant imagine that game will be hard to find tix for

any of you season ticket holders trying to get rid of those tickets? im interested.

inbox me

cheers

we're only two games in and these idiots have BLISTERED assholes yo. what's most hilarious is that alex has always been the least controversial guy out there, his cam newton comment is like the ONLY blip, and gradual recognition of his abilities and marked improvement has people frothing with bloodlust. Like imagine if he came off as an asshole like Jay Cutler is right now.

missing the Niners and A's will be tough, but i'll be donning my gear all over the map - Prague, Budapest, then getting wasted in Munich for Oktoberfest.

here's to coming back to a spot in the postseason for the A's and 4-0 for the Niners.

hold it down while i'm gone lol.

ALEX GOT 'EM MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

you still might be able to see the game (or at least A game) on skysports over there depending on the day. when i lived in budapest in '07 i saw two niner games late in the season at a place called 'champs sports pub', which is saying something given that chris weinke started a game. check it out. and i saw the super bowl in munich at the hard rock cafe... probably the best place.

I really like that there are so many Niners/A's fans here... Raiders/A's and Niners/Giants fans don't understand...

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that sounds like a dope trip. enjoy!

*shrugs*

enjoy your trip!

So, understandibly, I'll be MIA in the Niners and A's posts from like tomorrow until October 8. I'm bringing my iPad with me on my honeymoon, but I'm really not going to be participating. I'll definitely be keeping track of the results though.

Have fun in Europe, sir.

>So, understandibly, I'll be MIA in the Niners and A's posts
>from like tomorrow until October 8. I'm bringing my iPad with
>me on my honeymoon, but I'm really not going to be
>participating. I'll definitely be keeping track of the results
>though.
>
>Have fun in Europe, sir.

congratulations, be careful in the ocean, the riptide can be fierce

congrats on your upcoming nuptials, hood! have fun in maui!

Congrats man... Enjoy Hawaii....



right now, I'm literally too high to say anything else...

I was in Europe last year for the Tampa and Detroit games, I think.

I checked that Tampa score on my phone in Frankfurt. 48-3? I thought I had to convert to euros or something.

UR Section 1 Row 17 Seats 20-21

They are in the upper corner off the south end zone directly facing the big replay board. I moved to aisle seats this year and it's great... no more crawling over people to get out.

Giants (Sunday 10-14) NFL Exchange price $149 ea

Seahawks (Thur )10-18 NFL Exchange price $99 ea

Bears (Mon 11-19) NFL Exchange price $149 ea

If anyone wants to buy direct outside the ticket exchange, hit me up and I can't knock off a little depending on how you want to pay. NFL takes about $10-15 for each ticket off the top so I can pass that along if I sell outside their site.

Not trying to push these or anything... they will sell online so I'm good either way. But since some folks asked I figured I'd just address everyone at once.
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>Giants (Sunday 10-14) NFL Exchange price $149 ea
>
i'd have expected you to be front and center for this one...

and no she's not a football fan lol

Plus I like to sell a few of the marquee games to off set my cost... especially after that big check I wrote for the new stadium sbl lol
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>and no she's not a football fan lol
>
>Plus I like to sell a few of the marquee games to off set my
>cost... especially after that big check I wrote for the new
>stadium sbl lol

all the damn time.

something isn't right.

i don't believe in the over night change since harbaugh came to town.

there is cocaine somewhere i know it.

>all the damn time.
>
>something isn't right.
>
>i don't believe in the over night change since harbaugh came
>to town.
>
>there is cocaine somewhere i know it.

we were in lots of games against GOOD team, sticking with teams we had no business sticking with, despite the incompetent coaching staffs we had.

those guys have always had a lot of heart and desire. they just found a guy to give them the mechanism to channel it into WINNING.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/happy-harbaugh2-10-18-12.gif

>all the damn time.
>
>something isn't right.
>
>i don't believe in the over night change since harbaugh came
>to town.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=84998

>>all the damn time.
>>
>>something isn't right.
>>
>>i don't believe in the over night change since harbaugh came
>>to town.
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=84998

to see the foolishness motherfuckers were holding onto in there...amazing

With the ascension of Harbaugh's 9ers I felt the final chapter had been written.

But whenever I need a good laugh I pop in there and read all stah's rant about Sing >>> Harbaugh lol

Some of the other 'highlights' are Smith's toughness being called into question... turnovers being part of his dna, and Sing getting a raw deal because he's black lol

Props to Tek4mula btw... he posted this Sun Oct-03-10 12

145. "SF is gonna be a good spot next year"
Some coach is going to take advantage of a good situation this winter.

Dude called his shot and hit it out the park
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1) the venerable rivarly between you and tha truth
2) that all stah doesn't know when to "stay down" (c) mickey goldmill - http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1832579&mesg_id=1832579&listing_type=search

>With the ascension of Harbaugh's 9ers I felt the final
>chapter had been written.
>
>But whenever I need a good laugh I pop in there and read all
>stah's rant about Sing >>> Harbaugh lol
>
>Some of the other 'highlights' are Smith's toughness being
>called into question... turnovers being part of his dna, and
>Sing getting a raw deal because he's black lol
people were saying THAT to me in person though too. not as foolishly as all stah but from the outside looking in, people had no fucking clue.


even if we get a super bowl win, it might need to stay open, just so i can read the absurdity of "it took him EIGHT YEARS TO BECOME A SUPER BOWL MVP" or something to that effect. motherfuckers have, within the SAME THREAD, changed the terms even though their words above clearly impeach them. classic shit. definitely archive worthy at some point.


what blew my mind recently is that in Ra's bullshit ass QB comparison post Kira was up in there defending the fuck out of Alex

>what blew my mind recently is that in Ra's bullshit ass QB
>comparison post Kira was up in there defending the fuck out of
>Alex

I had to double check the screen name to make sure I wasn't mixing him up with someone else... cats going all Mitt Romney on a sports board and shit.


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http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-again-choose-Youngstown-for-5-day-?blockID=776847&feedID=5936

Matt Maiocco
September 21, 2012, 5:40 am

SANTA CLARA -- A year ago, the 49ers took a 10-day road trip that included five days of game-planning, study, workouts, practices and bonding in Youngstown, Ohio.

The unique itinerary proved successful as the 49ers returned to the Bay Area with road wins over the Cincinnati Bengals and the Philadelphia Eagles, the team's signature come-from-behind regular-season victory.

When this season's schedule came out in the spring, coach Jim Harbaugh saw a chance to do it all again with back-to-back 49ers road games against Minnesota and the New York Jets.

So when the 49ers leave Friday afternoon for their Sunday game against the Vikings, the club will not return to the Bay Area until after the team's Week 4 game against the Jets.

"I thought it was a real positive when we went through it last year, that we were together," Harbaugh said. "It gave us a great chance to be around each other. You stayed longer at the meals, got to know each other more, found out a different guy's story that you didn't know before you had a longer conversation with him than sometimes you did at the facility.

"So, I didn't feel that that was a tough thing. I thought it was a positive thing."

Immediately after Sunday's game against the Vikings, the 49ers will take a 90-minute flight to Youngstown, where the players and staff will prepare Monday through Friday for the Sept. 30 game against the Jets in East Rutherford, N.J.

The 49ers will save themselves more than 6 1/2 hours of flight time between games with their five-day layover in Youngstown.

"It's tough to be away from your family, for sure," 49ers quarterback Alex Smith said. "At the same time, thinking back to last year, it was a good experience. For us, it was another little minicamp. You only have 53 guys going, all together, and nothing to do there. You practice, you prepare and you hang out with each other. I thought it was a good thing for us last year. I enjoyed it."

The 49ers' ties to Ohio date back to 1977 when Youngstown shopping mall developer Edward DeBartolo Sr. purchased the 49ers and put his son, Edward Jr., in charge of the day-to-day operations. Denise DeBartolo York was an equal co-owner, though she remained far from the spotlight until she and her husband, John York, took control of the 49ers in 2000.

Their eldest son, Jed York, the 49ers' CEO, grew up in the Youngstown area and attended Cardinal Mooney High School. The DeBartolo and York families were inducted into the Youngstown State University Athletic Hall of Fame in 2004 for their many contributions.

Following the team's successful road trip of a year ago, the 49ers showed gratitude to their hosts for the week.

"Our team and Youngstown share a very special trait, a hard-nosed and determined work ethic that serves each extremely well," Jed York stated. "The city should take great pride in knowing that their tremendous hospitality and effort helped our team complete a two-win road trip. The entire 49ers organization thanks those who went out of their way to accommodate our needs."

Harbaugh, in particular, seemed to enjoy the experience. He spoke glowingly of a vacant lot behind the team hotel, partially obscured by trees, where the team held its walk-throughs before boarding buses to practice and work out at Youngstown State.

"Youngstown State has been an excellent facility for us to get our work in. It's outstanding," Harbaugh said afterward. "The weight room's fantastic, our guys had great workouts in there. Really everything we need, you guys have here."

Spending the week in isolation after an ASS KICKING like this will do us well.

Ponder played really strong, and he's a great athlete, gave us serious problems.

AP not to bothered with, they stayed committed to the run. Our defense definitely got slapped around a bit.

Percy Harvin got his shit off too. If he and AP and Ponder all remain healthy, the Vikings can make some noise in the NFC North, for real.

On offense, Alex missed Randy for an easy six. I'm starting to get impatient with waiting for us to go deep to him. Manningham looked good. We overall just didn't establish good rhythm except for that last scoring drive, where we ran well and passed well.

Kyle Williams was pretty good on run backs even though I have flashbacks EVERY time he's doing one. Bad fair catch on one punt though.

Overall not that worried but didn't enjoy watching it. The hype machine was probably playing too loudly but this type of solid whupping will fix that. Bring on Gang Green.

than i was the Lions... cats laughed but I'm never comfortable going in that oversized bounce house.

But the funniest part is listening to local sports radio this morning... you'd think the season is completely over and the team is in free fall. This is exactly why I said don't listen to these talking heads saying we're the best team in football... they don't know shit. it's all about over-reacting to the latest results without any sense of the peaks and valleys of a full 16 game season.

I think we'll handle the Jets... but even if they don't I'm not going into panic mode with 75% of the season still in front of us.
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>than i was the Lions... cats laughed but I'm never
>comfortable going in that oversized bounce house.
>
>But the funniest part is listening to local sports radio this
>morning... you'd think the season is completely over and the
>team is in free fall. This is exactly why I said don't listen
>to these talking heads saying we're the best team in
>football... they don't know shit. it's all about over-reacting
>to the latest results without any sense of the peaks and
>valleys of a full 16 game season.
what's also funny is that teams somehow think they've cracked the "code" to beating us. its football, 10 plays that go the other way can turn the tide of the game, despite how we handled green bay, A-Rodg gets a few passes off and they win. Stafford is a bit more accurate and maybe the Lions do. Maybe there was a pushoff on the last Vikings touchdown, and maybe if Whitner is able to deflect it things are different. It's football. Us turning over the ball, not playing good defense, and not setting out to establish the run don't happen very often.

>I think we'll handle the Jets... but even if they don't I'm
>not going into panic mode with 75% of the season still in
>front of us.
i like that arizona is doing well. it'll keep our guys from getting comfy and will make those division games extra spirited.

i STILL need to see some deep action to Randy or SOMEBODY though. They don't need to hold it back like its still preseason.

>than i was the Lions... cats laughed but I'm never
>comfortable going in that oversized bounce house.
>

that dome was rockin from the get go. i thought we'd be able to overcome it, but ponder and the vikes played well. we tried to get at him but he was fairly composed throughout the game.

It felt pretty obvious at the end of the first quarter we weren't winning this one. Everybody on both sides of the ball came out flat, sloppy. And the Vikings just looked like they wanted it more. I think the 10am PST aspect had something to do with it, but not everything.

It wasn't a game where the players could convince themselves they got beat on a lucky bounce or bad call. We got beat, no question about it. Hope that sting lingers a while and keeps everybody focused.

i agree. i'm okay with the loss too. nothing wrong with a little humble pie in the early part of the season. let's just regroup and get a W against the jets. with revis out, our passing game should be improved in week 4.

Cant wait. Ok with that loss in that everything we could do wrong we Did. I feel that will be fixed by Sun. Wanna see some 84 with no revis island.

my only gripe with our coaching staff has been playcalling, especially over the past 7 games we've played, postseason included. getting frustrated that they're not putting pressure on opposing defenses. hoping this week is the beginning.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/20384486/after-further-review-49ers-passing-game-just-doesnt-scare-despite-efforts-to-improve

After Further Review: 49ers' passing game just doesn't scare, despite efforts to improve

The New York Jets will play the San Francisco 49ers this week without star corner Darrelle Revis, who will miss his first game after tearing an ACL last week.

If there is any opponent in the league where not having Revis can be handled best, it might be the 49ers.

They just don't scare down the field.

What's worse, they rarely try to do so.

After studying their tape from their loss to the Minnesota Vikings last week, it was obvious that all the talk about improving the passing game, getting deep balls down the field, challenging vertically, from this offseason was just a bunch of talk.

49ers quarterback Alex Smith threw 34 passes against the Vikings and his longest completion was 22 yards -- and that came on the final drive when the Niners were scrambling to get back into the game.

Starting receivers Michael Crabtree and Randy Moss combined to catch nine passes for 67 yards, which is 7.4 per catch. That won't challenge any team down the field.

The 49ers offense is designed with a lot of action off the running game. At times, it can be so creative, getting receivers running across the formation to free Smith up for easy throws -- even short ones.

But against Minnesota, there seemed to be little imagination, and little action in terms of trying to make the Vikings respect any sort of deep ball.

There were three pass plays all day where I could count a deep receiver being able to challenge the Minnesota secondary.

Too often, the 49ers ran short routes that seemed to play right into the coverage for the Vikings. Minnesota used a lot of man-under, two-deep concepts, although at times the Vikings showed that and rotated to a three-deep look.

It's not like the Vikings have this top-level secondary or anything. It's just that the 49ers made it so easy to defend.

Here's a look at one of the 49ers pass plays. As you can see, the Vikings are playing two-deep and there is no real challenge down the field. All the receivers are covered and tight end Vernon Davis, who is in the red circle, becomes the target. Too often, that seems to be the case with Smith. But in fairness to him, his receivers don't win or get deep.

Here's another example of the 49ers not challenging down the field. Yes, the Vikings are in two-deep coverage. But at some point, you have to run deeper routes. As you can see in this picture, the four yellow-circled 49ers are not getting depth on their routes, making for an easy cover.

For the season, Smith is averaging 6.97 yards per attempt. That is the lowest of any of the top 11 rated passers -- he is seventh. The top player in that category from the top 20 passes is Cincinnati's Andy Dalton at 9.13. Some other top ones are Eli Manning at 8.57 and Joe Flacco at 8.30.

Crabtree is tied for ninth in the league in receptions with 19, but he's the only player in the top-10 under 10 yards per catch at 9.6. Manningham is at 9.7 and Moss is at 11, but he has just eight catches. Those three combined have three catches of 20 yards or more -- and Manningham's came on that last drive against the Vikings.

At some point, the 49ers have to challenge down the field. If not, there is no way they can win a Super Bowl.

Do we not remember what out offense looked like going into week 4 last year? Now we didn't have a full camp so it makes sense things should be coming along a little faster this year... but we have a gang of new offensive players still trying to find a rhythm... Manningham said as much yesterday.

Not saying there's no validity to raising these questions... but I also realize in this new mass media age someone is always looking for something to talk about.

But see here's the interesting part of all of this, these same criticisms were leveled at the Montana teams from 81-83... that was part of why Renaldo Nehemiah was brought in. It wasn't until the late 80s that the 9ers developed a strong down field passing game... after they had already won 2 super bowls.

Bottom line I really don't care as long as we win.
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>Do we not remember what out offense looked like going into
>week 4 last year? Now we didn't have a full camp so it makes
>sense things should be coming along a little faster this
>year... but we have a gang of new offensive players still
>trying to find a rhythm... Manningham said as much yesterday.
we also didn't HAVE shit by that time. braylon was already hurt, and alex actually went apeshit v. the eagles. against the vikings there was NO sense of passing urgency. i'm well aware that we'll look different week 10 than now, but it doesn't mean we can't TRY throwing deep.


>Not saying there's no validity to raising these questions...
>but I also realize in this new mass media age someone is
>always looking for something to talk about.
yeah but this is actually legitimate. i'm not about to say we've been figured out. but an old pro once said "they have to throw the ball, we have talent on this side of the ball, interceptions will come but we HAVE to throw it."


>But see here's the interesting part of all of this, these same
>criticisms were leveled at the Montana teams from 81-83...
>that was part of why Renaldo Nehemiah was brought in. It
>wasn't until the late 80s that the 9ers developed a strong
>down field passing game... after they had already won 2 super
>bowls.
man i was 4 years old so i can't say shit about that. and understand, i'm not talking about a STRONG down field passing game, i'm talking about a NON EXISTENT one right now. with randy, JUST MAKE THEM THINK ABOUT IT, shit.

>Bottom line I really don't care as long as we win.
my bottom line is that if we DON'T start attempting them we will NOT win.

would you call a nine route with joe hastings and brett swain in a championship game? i sure as hell wouldn't. Unlike the Sing regime... i'm gonna trust that they'll eventually incorporate more shots when the time is necessary. Manningham saying him and smith need to get on the same page just reaffirms that it's still a work in progress. Sure we could def use some more shots here and there, but for now i'll take a sure 5 yards every time then a 20 yard shot one outta 5 times.

No other explanation for continuing to post on a topic you've totally embarrassed yourself on time and time again

but do you playa
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since he's incensed as fuck that our "bust" is a top 10 rated passer and his supposed "guy" is a jacksonville backup right now I think?

with the deep game when they do call for it... yet.

he's not exactly mr. check-down anymore like we saw the previous three seasons, but he's ignored his fair share of seam/nine routes to anyone not named vernon davis.

old habits are hard to break. my personal feeling is kaepernick's higher up in harbaugh's hip pocket than people think.

but it's early in the season, so lemme sit back down.

>with the deep game when they do call for it... yet.
>
>he's not exactly mr. check-down anymore like we saw the
>previous three seasons, but he's ignored his fair share of
>seam/nine routes to anyone not named vernon davis.
>
>old habits are hard to break. my personal feeling is
>kaepernick's higher up in harbaugh's hip pocket than people
>think.
>
>but it's early in the season, so lemme sit back down.

No you are raising some valid points. I'm a little concerned too... not so much with his unwillingness to go down field but rather his accuracy when he does take the shots. I mean I'm not expecting him to be Drew Brees right now but he's shown improvement in every area over the last year, so I expected the same progress would come along in the deep passing game too. I said last week it was too early to worry about this type of shit... but honestly the Jets game has me reevaluating that. He missed Randy for a TD last week but this Sunday was worse imo. I counted at least 3 potential big plays where he either missed his target or checked it down instead. As you said, maybe old habits die hard but I need to see growth in this area... and I need to see it soon. Alex tends to be more comfortable throwing the ball at home so let's revisit this after the upcoming 3 game home
stand.

But yeah man I'm seeing it pretty much the same way you are.


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>
>No you are raising some valid points. I'm a little concerned
>too... not so much with his unwillingness to go down field but
>rather his accuracy when he does take the shots. I mean I'm
>not expecting him to be Drew Brees right now but he's shown
>improvement in every area over the last year, so I expected
>the same progress would come along in the deep passing game
>too. I said last week it was too early to worry about this
>type of shit... but honestly the Jets game has me reevaluating
>that. He missed Randy for a TD last week but this Sunday was
>worse imo. I counted at least 3 potential big plays where he
>either missed his target or checked it down instead. As you
>said, maybe old habits die hard but I need to see growth in
>this area... and I need to see it soon. Alex tends to be more
>comfortable throwing the ball at home so let's revisit this
>after the upcoming 3 game home
>stand.
>
>But yeah man I'm seeing it pretty much the same way you are.
>

similar to how you called sing's demise not based on record, but details, it's the same thing i'm doing here. i don't know if our team or any team does the bill walsh "first 15 plays script" but they seem very unwilling to adjust or change things up when the situation calls for it. Also it's the reluctance to put pressure on the defense as often as possible. They did a good job of it sunday, but the Jets are reeling, had we been firing on all cylinders, we'd have beat them 56-0. I don't know if Alex is going to be able to just turn it on and off like that, having spent the better part of his career OUT of rhythm and the way the offense is still very risk averse makes me wonder if the wraps will EVER be taken off when not necessary (with our defense 20-0 deficits like we had to philly last year are few and far between). I'm less worried about Alex barely missing his guys than I am Kap throwing the first deep ball to Randy all year long. Manningham is working nicely into the offense but I'm really puzzled as to what their intentions with Randy are.

If Alex was able to do what he did last season with what he had to work with most of the year, I'm not concerned about his ability to do it with more talent. I just want to see MORE attempts. Shit he only threw the ball like 21 times. In a game like yesterday with such a big lead it makes no sense that they didn't try to work on some deep stuff since they had a cushion to work with.

but generally LOL at what we discuss now as opposed to two years ago what we were talking about. how times have changed.

>similar to how you called sing's demise not based on record,
>but details, it's the same thing i'm doing here. i don't know
>if our team or any team does the bill walsh "first 15 plays
>script" but they seem very unwilling to adjust or change
>things up when the situation calls for it.

I was reading last night that the film showed the Jets camped out on the short and underneath stuff... which means the opportunities were definitely there down the field. One of the big reasons I sit where I sit at the stick is it allows me to see all the routs being ran on any given play. Watching on TV doesn't tell me if the 9ers were attacking the Jets with enough deep patterns so I can't really comment on your adjustment take... but I do know Alex had some chances and flat out missed them.

>Also it's the
>reluctance to put pressure on the defense as often as
>possible. They did a good job of it sunday, but the Jets are
>reeling, had we been firing on all cylinders, we'd have beat
>them 56-0. I don't know if Alex is going to be able to just
>turn it on and off like that, having spent the better part of
>his career OUT of rhythm

Good point... but if he's going to truly take the next step he's going to have to get over the past and make some more strides forward.

> and the way the offense is still very
>risk averse makes me wonder if the wraps will EVER be taken
>off when not necessary (with our defense 20-0 deficits like we
>had to philly last year are few and far between). I'm less
>worried about Alex barely missing his guys than I am Kap
>throwing the first deep ball to Randy all year long.
>Manningham is working nicely into the offense but I'm really
>puzzled as to what their intentions with Randy are.

Honestly I don't have issues with how Moss is being used right now. So far teams seem willing to give him a cushion and as long as they want to do that I'm good with taking what they want to give us. I think some of this is about pacing Randy too... keep him fresh and healthy for down the stretch. I have to say I'm impressed with how Randy has played and carried himself so far. Dude is even making blocks down the field... As long as Harbaugh is communicating with him and they on the same page I'll trust the long term plan.

>If Alex was able to do what he did last season with what he
>had to work with most of the year, I'm not concerned about his
>ability to do it with more talent. I just want to see MORE
>attempts. Shit he only threw the ball like 21 times. In a
>game like yesterday with such a big lead it makes no sense
>that they didn't try to work on some deep stuff since they had
>a cushion to work with.

Still it was only 10-0 at the half... and I have to put some of that on Alex. There's no reason we shouldn't have been up 17 or 20.

>but generally LOL at what we discuss now as opposed to two
>years ago what we were talking about. how times have changed.

No shit lol

But this is as it should be

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to bitch about not being dressed... The team just won 34-0 and had damn near 250 rushing yards w/o him and he wants to cry on twitter... He also blocked me because I told him to be mature and that he will have his time, he just has to be patient... Apparently he didn't like that...

2nd rounder on a RB when you had Gore, Hunter, Dixon, Jacobs, and Ginn/Williams on returns? man James aint seeing the field lol.

shoulda went OL or receiver.

aj jenkins in the 1st round, but i agree the pick was questionable, given that he's essentially in the mold of a kendall hunter.

they say lmj was a tougher runner coming out of college, but kendall's showing he can grind 'em out the more touches he gets. he's done a fine job when spelling gore and is the second best back on the team.

either way, i'm sure tom rathman's putting a foot in that ass when he sees james.

I'll save you some time... the answer is nobody

Maiocco already addressed this over a month ago... he went down every possible player the 9ers could have taken with their #2 and not one would have been seeing much if any playing time on this team right now.

The best way to fuck your roster is to pass on quality players because you have a 'need'

The James (& Jenkins) pick will be judged 2-3 years from now... not in 2012
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He must have deleted that ish? because I missed that and don't see it out there today...

hmm

>to bitch about not being dressed... The team just won 34-0
>and had damn near 250 rushing yards w/o him and he wants to
>cry on twitter... He also blocked me because I told him to be
>mature and that he will have his time, he just has to be
>patient... Apparently he didn't like that...

It was a fans tweet that he retweeted which obviously got negative feedback from Niner fans because the next tweet he sent out was something like, "I can tweet and retweet whatever I want. None of you can tell me anything cuz you're not in the NFL." Something pretty close to that... There was no reason for him to do that...

I find it funny that he would do this when the NIners had 245 yards rushing... Whats the point??? Especially after the game that Kaep had... Obviously, being patient pays off...

on twitter than some pro ball players.

he tweeted something that was mad ignorant (honestly can't even remember what it was now) and I unfollowed. I could see right off this was the type of dude I'd rather watch play than hear talk.
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dude wants to play, i didn't take nearly as much from it. id be pissed off too if you challenged my maturity based off a retweet lol.

Acting like a child on twitter after your team just whipped ass, but mad cuz you didn't play... Then telling people they can't say shit to you cuz they aint in the nfl?? C'mon now man... It's not wack running backs who are starting in front of you... You frustrated, keep that shit in-house... Athletes need to learn twitter ain't their diary...

And I ain't giving him a pass on that retweet shit either... On some, "He said it, not me" bullshit... Nah man, obviously thats how dude feels, but he needs to think... Best part of all this, it was a Jets fan he retweeted...

Like damn, talk about having the devil in your ear... You got fans of your team irritated with you cuz you're listening to fans of other teams... smh...

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Things are coming together at just the right time. I know most call this a HUGE game coming up, but re: the GMen I'm only concerned about seeing them in January and punching them in their fucking faces.

It is a big game though, regardless, not sure why NBC didn't steal that shit and give it a primetime slot.

Any word on how Alex's finger is? I don't doubt that he'll play, but wonder how much of an impact it will have.

This will definitely be the toughest running team we've faced thus far but I trust our ability to slow them down. It's Eli having 20 minutes to find someone open that will anger me.

In any event, looking to not have to hear my wife's mouth for a few weeks if the Giants win.

>Any word on how Alex's finger is? I don't doubt that he'll
>play, but wonder how much of an impact it will have.

Vernon Davis gets no catches, says, “I don’t know what to do”
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 19, 2012, 9:09 AM EDT

AP
Vernon Davis didn’t have a single pass thrown his way in Thursday night’s win over the Seahawks, making it the first time in four years that he had gone a full game without a catch. After the game, Davis said he was just happy to get a win. But he also said he wishes he knew what he could be doing differently to get more opportunities.

“That’s up to the offensive coordinator,” Davis told the San Francisco Chronicle. “I don’t know what to do. I run my routes hard to get open but there’s nothing there. We’ll see, we’ll see.”

Davis also disappeared from the 49ers’ offense in last week’s loss to the Giants: Although two of Alex Smith’s first three passes were thrown in Davis’s direction (one incompletion, one six-yard gain), Davis didn’t have another pass thrown to him until late in the third quarter, when the 49ers were already trailing 23-3. Davis said opposing defenses are making it tough for him to get open.

“Some of the routes I usually run, they are taking them away,” Davis said. “The up the sideline, it’s not there. Nothing’s there. When I run my corner routes, the cornerback is dropping to the corner. They are just taking stuff away, some of my explosive routes and stuff.”

Whatever defenses are doing, the 49ers need to get the ball in Davis’s hands. He’s too talented a player to go a full game without a single pass being thrown his way.

holy shit, surrounded by DOWNERS who wouldn't stand and cheer for anything. all they did was scream and demand for Kaepernick - same people who probably wanted David Carr out there. old, rich folk spoiled from the 80's and early 90's for real.

We have reached this odd place where we have a QB that we know we can win with when he's playing within his comfort zone. The problem is most of us aren't satisfied with him playing that type of game... or at the very least we want to see his game continue to grow (I know I do) Thing is last nights game looked an awful lot like 2011 Alex expect for one play... the pick inside the red zone. I don't think there is any way he attempts that throw last year... but as I said fans want to see more and he knows it. If you look at the pick you can see he was moving left when he spotted Randy in the back of the end zone and tried to plant and throw. He couldn't stop himself all the way and had to make the throw off balance and we saw the results... bottom line is this is just not a throw Alex can make, not now... maybe not ever. And therein lies the quandary. As with baseball pitchers, different QBs bring different skill sets to the table. We wouldn't expect a Greg Maddox to try and pitch like Randy Johnson but in the NFL we seem to want all QBs to fit the same mode. Now this isn't a plea cop post for Alex... let me make it clear that I have questions about Alex leading team beyond this season. But I still say he's actually a pretty good fit for the personnel and style we have right now... my statement a few weeks back about how I'd rather have Alex than the Romos, Cutlers and Rivers of the world still stands. Some took that has I was saying Alex was better than 2/3s of the QBs in the league but then we know when we talk Alex Smith people get a little funny in the head. But right now as it stands today I think the 9ers are best suited for a QB that knows how to run the offence and not go all gunsliger at the drop of a hat. What worries me is Alex is being goaded into trying to be something he isn't. And I'm as guilty of this as the next fan... during the redzone series that ended in a pick last night I was preaching take care of the ball and take the 3 if need be... but when Alex got on the move I started yelling at the TV for him to make a play... As fans we can get caught up in the moment but we can't afford to have our QB do the same. Now maybe we'll find out that Alex's game won't be enough to get us over the hump this year but him forcing things just to satisfy the fans need to see a certain type of game is a sure fire recipe for failure. As is the idea Kaepernick can take over as the full time QB right now... again this team needs a steady hand not a combustible signal caller. The right balance needs to be found regarding when and where to sprinkle Kaep in... and make no mistake I think this offence needs the explosiveness he brings. But I don't want to hear any foolishness about who the starting QB should be in 2012... the time for that may come but it's going to be after we rode the most likely path to a super bowl with the team we have right now. Should that fail there will be plenty of time to worry about the future... right now let's stay focused on winning in 2012... And the guy that gives us the best chance to do that is Alex Smith... 2011 version.
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>We have reached this odd place where we have a QB that we
>know we can win with when he's playing within his comfort
>zone. The problem is most of us aren't satisfied with him
>playing that type of game... or at the very least we want to
>see his game continue to grow (I know I do) Thing is last
>nights game looked an awful lot like 2011 Alex expect for one
>play... the pick inside the red zone. I don't think there is
>any way he attempts that throw last year... but as I said fans
>want to see more and he knows it. If you look at the pick you
>can see he was moving left when he spotted Randy in the back
>of the end zone and tried to plant and throw. He couldn't stop
>himself all the way and had to make the throw off balance and
>we saw the results... bottom line is this is just not a throw
>Alex can make, not now... maybe not ever. And therein lies the
>quandary. As with baseball pitchers, different QBs bring
>different skill sets to the table. We wouldn't expect a Greg
>Maddox to try and pitch like Randy Johnson but in the NFL we
>seem to want all QBs to fit the same mode. Now this isn't a
>plea cop post for Alex... let me make it clear that I have
>questions about Alex leading team beyond this season. But I
>still say he's actually a pretty good fit for the personnel
>and style we have right now... my statement a few weeks back
>about how I'd rather have Alex than the Romos, Cutlers and
>Rivers of the world still stands. Some took that has I was
>saying Alex was better than 2/3s of the QBs in the league but
>then we know when we talk Alex Smith people get a little funny
>in the head. But right now as it stands today I think the 9ers
>are best suited for a QB that knows how to run the offence and
>not go all gunsliger at the drop of a hat. What worries me is
>Alex is being goaded into trying to be something he isn't. And
>I'm as guilty of this as the next fan... during the redzone
>series that ended in a pick last night I was preaching take
>care of the ball and take the 3 if need be... but when Alex
>got on the move I started yelling at the TV for him to make a
>play... As fans we can get caught up in the moment but we
>can't afford to have our QB do the same. Now maybe we'll find
>out that Alex's game won't be enough to get us over the hump
>this year but him forcing things just to satisfy the fans need
>to see a certain type of game is a sure fire recipe for
>failure. As is the idea Kaepernick can take over as the full
>time QB right now... again this team needs a steady hand not a
>combustible signal caller. The right balance needs to be found
>regarding when and where to sprinkle Kaep in... and make no
>mistake I think this offence needs the explosiveness he
>brings. But I don't want to hear any foolishness about who the
>starting QB should be in 2012... the time for that may come
>but it's going to be after we rode the most likely path to a
>super bowl with the team we have right now. Should that fail
>there will be plenty of time to worry about the future...
>right now let's stay focused on winning in 2012... And the guy
>that gives us the best chance to do that is Alex Smith... 2011
>version.

that our coaching staff SEEMS to be wising up, but it's almost like they're expecting more of alex without giving him all his tools. randy moss is a SECURITY blanket, and alex has never had something like that at wideout. it's like torture that he only gets to benefit from him 30% of the time. i mean the way it allows defenses to relax their coverage and focus on other areas really holds back how dynamic the offense could be. he needs to be getting more field time than kyle williams because even if he's not catching it, he's drawing coverage away.

to go along with that, the level headed all agree that his career growth has been stunted (likely permanently to a degree), and he's basically in the 4th year of a stable environment, even though it's his 7th or 8th actual year as a pro. he hasn't had enough game EXPERIENCE doing these types of things. throwing to good players with the expectation of success? a rarity before last year and even then , our WR corps was thin. there is an impatience with us wanting him to do it NOW NOW NOW, when he is being brought along similar to how brady and roethlisberger were brought along by their teams. great defenses, ball control physical running game, make plays but you dont' have to go out and sling. it wasn't until they became VERY comfortable in their systems that they started to be able to win games with their arm. that's why eli is so good now, he is supremely confident and comfortable in the system that he's running, and once that comes, a QB HAS the ability to transcend the team and do otherwordly things. obviously there are guys coming out now who are doing crazy shit from jump, but i'm not comparing him to those guys, i'm comparing him to guys who started off in similar fashions as he did when harbaugh arrrived. bottom line is people likely won't be as patient as they may need too but it IS still not even the midpoint of the season and offense takes longer to gel. the guy who was able to do the things he did last year, the throws and plays he needed to make IS capable of doing the same this year with more. it's going to take more and more reps and sound game planning by our coaching staff.

>to go along with that, the level headed all agree that his
>career growth has been stunted (likely permanently to a
>degree), and he's basically in the 4th year of a stable
>environment, even though it's his 7th or 8th actual year as a
>pro. he hasn't had enough game EXPERIENCE doing these types of
>things. throwing to good players with the expectation of
>success? a rarity before last year and even then , our WR
>corps was thin. there is an impatience with us wanting him to
>do it NOW NOW NOW, when he is being brought along similar to
>how brady and roethlisberger were brought along by their
>teams. great defenses, ball control physical running game,
>make plays but you dont' have to go out and sling. it wasn't
>until they became VERY comfortable in their systems that they
>started to be able to win games with their arm. that's why
>eli is so good now, he is supremely confident and comfortable
>in the system that he's running, and once that comes, a QB HAS
>the ability to transcend the team and do otherwordly things.
>obviously there are guys coming out now who are doing crazy
>shit from jump, but i'm not comparing him to those guys, i'm
>comparing him to guys who started off in similar fashions as
>he did when harbaugh arrrived. bottom line is people likely
>won't be as patient as they may need too but it IS still not
>even the midpoint of the season and offense takes longer to
>gel. the guy who was able to do the things he did last year,
>the throws and plays he needed to make IS capable of doing the
>same this year with more. it's going to take more and more
>reps and sound game planning by our coaching staff.

I'm not as bothered by he Moss stuff as you and others are but there's not much in the second paragraph I would take exception with. Short on time right now but I'll try and come back next week and comment more on what you said.

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no one can't tell me he looked confident last night staring at anything more than a 10-yard route in man-to-man. take vernon davis away, and my man turns gun shy.

"taking what the seahawks give him yadda yadda."

like you, i'm not saying make the switch to kaep now, but i just can't see that much more upside room to smith's secular potential past 2012, and it comes from mainly one thing: his conditioned, risk-averse mentality as a pro.

he really doesn't take chances. but that might be good enough for this team to reach the super bowl.

that said, i really don't care anymore that he was an abused animal up until harbaugh showed up. why should we wait for him to be in the completely perfect comfort zone? why do we have to wait for him to "grow"? why do we coddle him so much when things go wrong?

BUT we ARE 5-2, so until we start losing, "dats my quotaback" (c) elderado owens

(btw, hope all is well with your fam)

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he's probably gonna get a head coaching offer or two again, mostly likely college.

it's a shot in the dark, but if roman leaves and andy reid gets canned in philly..... dude's gonna need to re-invent himself somewhere. thing is, reid might be too revered in the nfl to be offered anything less than another HC spot.

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???

it's no coincidence that the passing game looked so sharp after 10 days off. with two weeks before the next game, i'm only expecting it to be further along when they get set for the second half of the season. I know some of y'all thing "this is it," but Alex was able to get loose to VD several times last season (especially the playoffs), crabs for one deep one against the Rams (I was at that game). Until I see it, I refuse to believe that things won't start to click more with manningham and moss added to the fold.

I mean, yesterday I already knew he threw the TD with a concussion, but I'm just saying... Fuckin dude has heart...

Hope he is able to recover in time for Monday night...


Anyone else going to the Monday night game?? I'm lightweight considering tailgating...

He held the ball to long (like most young QBS do) but he made enough plays for the 9ers to win that game... the defense and special teams really let them down.

However I'm worried if the Kapper starts against the Bears... they give way too many different looks for a young guy with limited game experience like Kaepernick.
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this is not the game for him get his first start. Its a good chance Alex would have a shitty game against Chicago let alone a guy making his first start.

I just think Kaep needs another year
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Jackson ran all over our league leading D. And he's not nearly the player he used to be. He did whatever the hell he wanted until Aldon finally dead-roached him in the 4th quarter. There's also no way in hell they should have been fooled TWICE by a fake punt.

After, the D, the next in line for blame for that debacle is Harbaugh. Dude has to have these guys ready after a bye week. There's no excuse for looking that lost during the first half.

Kaep will be fine in the future, but he's not going to be able to cut it now, when we really should have a shot at winning it all.

Last year, he had the locker-room completely buying what he was sellng and mentally ready for every game they played in. This year, he had the team ready to bounce back from two embarassing losses. Keeping these guys frosty after a bye week is comparitively small potatoes, especially a Week 8 one.

discussion is slightly different

if we don't get that late flag coming in for illegal formation on the first play of OT...

the ball's at the 2 for a chip shot ram field goal FTW.

First possession of OT.

i keep forgetting they extended the Brett Favre Rule to the regular season.

The other team gets a chance only if they just allow a FG.

most likely fisher woulda tried to have scored with a fresh set of downs from the 2... with stephan jax.

all in all that game left a bad taste....

not really on the low. he makes THE WORST challenges for one. still love him as our coach but his shit stinks from time to time, but was anyone expecting perfection?

i would like to fucking see brandon jacobs get some run though.

True. That giants game was so poorly coached that I hope he laid down purposely

Gore played well in this game, Kaep was good for two quarters, and at least a couple of the defensive players did individually well (Aldon and Brooks). The Giants game was just a huge bucket of FAIL on every level.

>Gore played well in this game, Kaep was good for two
>quarters, and at least a couple of the defensive players did
>individually well (Aldon and Brooks). The Giants game was just
>a huge bucket of FAIL on every level.

Gore only got 8 fucking carries in the game. The score was 10-3 at the half and they ABANDONED the run. Kaep only came in this game because he had to. The Giants game didn't just GO WRONG, that shit was coached wrong as fuck, which precipitated a lot of the poor execution. I mean Alex throws a 55 yard bomb to Randy, then the next play they sub in Kaep who takes a sack for a 10 yard loss?

>>Gore played well in this game, Kaep was good for two
>>quarters, and at least a couple of the defensive players did
>>individually well (Aldon and Brooks).

^^^I was describing the pluses of the St. Louis game here.

>Gore only got 8 fucking carries in the game. The score was
>10-3 at the half and they ABANDONED the run. Kaep only came
>in this game because he had to. The Giants game didn't just GO
>WRONG, that shit was coached wrong as fuck, which precipitated
>a lot of the poor execution. I mean Alex throws a 55 yard bomb
>to Randy, then the next play they sub in Kaep who takes a sack
>for a 10 yard loss?

Won't argue with any of that.

I figure a reasonable discussion could be had in here. No one doubted that Kaep had more physical tools, the question was his readiness. After one game, are we certain that he's now ready? He looked GOOD last night, but a few things:

- There is very little film on him, so the Bears were definitely not prepared for how in command he was.

- The Bears defense was under more pressure since their offense had so little to contribute

-It was ONE GAME.

- We know Alex will rarely ever LOSE games for us. Is it worth the risk having Kaep in there just because it's likely he can WIN some?


Right now, it's a good problem to have so I'm not getting bent out of shape about it. I just don't want the outside uninformed not giving a fuck "GET RID OF ALEX" rhetoric.

get him more as the season goes on. Alex should remain the starter but towards the end if we've locked up the NFC West early, we should let him get more snaps.

Additionally, even if we are in the thick of a home field advantage race with ATL, I think he should still get some snaps in meaningful games too.

If we are going to make a change...it needs to be because Kaep is just THAT much better than Alex over the long haul and should be decided either in the offseason (trading/cutting Alex) or during training camp next yr.

at least until the Kap hype dies a bit.
for better or worse.

Alex Smith has definitely proven himself to be a quality starter in this league, he's first in completion percentage and third in QB rating. Kaep was awesome last night but it was clear that the Bears defense severely underestimated him. The way I see it is the 49ers have a good problem in that they have two QB's who can execute their gameplan. Alex should get the job back when he's healthy and the competition should heat up this off-season.

let it be known. Fuck the PC shit..only one can play at a time.

"Sorry guys, Alex is done here. Not his fault, but...yea."

start Alex rest of this season. Kaep goes into otas and camp as #1

By Alex is done here..thats what I actually meant

I just have issues with making the change midseason, when Alex hasn't done anything to warrant it.

I think the only situation where Alex's job is safe next season would be if we win the Super Bowl.

like it probably would have been last season

>like it probably would have been last season
considering we beat the saints BECAUSE of him, didn't lose to the giants because of him and would have beaten the patriots WITH him, their secondary was awful.

That's the problem...the whole all he needs to do is make a few big plays to win concept...it got us bounced. Things happen in games that you can't account for...like special teams turnovers.

12-26 for 196 and two completions accounted for 101 of those yards... c'mon

>That's the problem...the whole all he needs to do is make a
>few big plays to win concept...it got us bounced. Things
>happen in games that you can't account for...like special
>teams turnovers.
THOSE fucking turnovers were unfucking acceptable. He let a ball graze off his leg, then he tried to get cute during OVERTIME of a tie game. fuck that shit.


>12-26 for 196 and two completions accounted for 101 of those
>yards... c'mon
they abandoned the running game even though it was WORKING. WHY? All season long our success was predicated on running the ball and strong defense, with timely passing. WHY ABANDON IT? All those third and longs came from throwing on first down FAR too often. You can't bring someone along all season one way then change it up at the end and expect good results. both of those bombs to VD came off of play action set up by (you guessed it) THE RUN.

they were doing the SAME shit during the New Orleans game but that got overshadowed in the madness of the fourth quarter.

No way around it

No shame in that.

2 passes to wideouts.

Have some perspective here.

After one bad game from Alex and one good game from Kaepernick?



Overreaction much?

Which... Everyone is.

I agree with the premise of allowing Alex to start the rest of the season, but it is clear to all that kaepernick provides a dimension that Alex does not. It is what it is.

Yeah, there's no reasoning with you. Just looking at this thread alone shows that there are plenty of people that disagree. You refuse to listen to logic and just want to hold onto your agenda.

Good luck with your wishes. For the team's sake, I really, really hope Harbaugh doesn't do what you want him to do.

Going into next season as the starter if we do not get a Super Bowl win out of Alex smith or at least he not be a primary factor in why we lose

Really don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp. Or why you're so gassed on one pass to Kyle Williams. But hey, do you.

>2 passes to wideouts.
wideouts that COULD NOT GET FREE...

kyle got loose for ONE. Crabs was BLANKED. Who the fuck else was there, Joe Hastings or some shit? FOH son.

Alex had been coached to play within a running attack. The coaches called an entirely different attack even though the run was WORKING.

AND KYLE fucked up TWICE. So motherfuck even TRYING to put that on Alex. Take ten points off the board that the Giants never score. Game doesn't even make it to overtime.

>

I understand these things:

-Harbaugh went away from the gameplan (not as much as you claim, but ok)

-We had shit for wideouts

with that said

-Alex was looking shook, and with the exception of a couple throws, did not have a very good game. Period. He missed wide the fuck open delanie walker up the sideline...and I don't even want to talk about to overtime possession.

It wasn't all Alex, but he certainly contributed. Let it be what it is.

Later for all the media driven QB "controversies"

>Later for all the media driven QB "controversies"

i don't think ANY of us don't see Kaep as the future. as soon as next year, even. but right today, alex needs to run dis

I think waaaay to many people are overreacting to that long pass to Kyle Williams. This isn't like the Brees/Rivers situation where we have to choose one or the other 'cause we might lose one; both are under contract until after the '14 season.

on this one. I was making "qb controversy" posts in the game post with my tongue firmly in cheek but people are ready to turn the franchise over to a guy who's had one good game lol.



whilst longterm i like kaep over smith (by a long way) some of the reactions in here are hilarious.

The usual suspects were also trolling in that post, but that's what I expect them to do.


>whilst longterm i like kaep over smith (by a long way) some of
>the reactions in here are hilarious.

I don't know think there's a Niner fan on this board who doesn't know Kaep is the future and isn't comfortable with it. We also knew that when Smith got the three year deal. But most of us seem to recognize that the future isn't now.

I was expecting the overreaction, but a lot of people seem to be acting Smith couldn't have a game like Kaep did last night, when he did, less than a month ago, on the Monday Night Game against the Cardinals. Ya know, when Smith went 18-19, for 232 yards (including the 47 yard bomb to Moss), and 3 TDs.

>The usual suspects were also trolling in that post, but
>that's what I expect them to do.
>
>
>>whilst longterm i like kaep over smith (by a long way) some
>of
>>the reactions in here are hilarious.
>
>I don't know think there's a Niner fan on this board who
>doesn't know Kaep is the future and isn't comfortable with it.
>We also knew that when Smith got the three year deal. But most
>of us seem to recognize that the future isn't now.

smith is due a $7.5 million roster bonus on 4/1/2013. not sure how that will play out.

>
>I was expecting the overreaction, but a lot of people seem to
>be acting Smith couldn't have a game like Kaep did last night,
>when he did, less than a month ago, on the Monday Night Game
>against the Cardinals. Ya know, when Smith went 18-19, for 232
>yards (including the 47 yard bomb to Moss), and 3 TDs.

a bomb? not to nitpick, but that game was all YAC. per usual, he really didn't look more than 10 yards downfield.

>smith is due a $7.5 million roster bonus on 4/1/2013. not sure
>how that will play out.

Probably it will depend on how the rest of the season plays out (I know, duh). But assuming we make it to the play-offs and perform respectably, I say pay it unless it would hamper to re-sign any key defensive players. I will always say that keeping this D together trumps keeping the QB. That applies to both Smith and Kaep.


>a bomb? not to nitpick, but that game was all YAC. per usual,
>he really didn't look more than 10 yards downfield.

Fair enough, but the point stands that they had statistically similar games against what were considered upper-tier defenses. The different styles of play got just about the same results. So I don't see how this game would cause us to change QBs mid-season.

It's hilarious how cats are 100% sure that kaep is the answer but all stuck on when to hand him the keys...
If kap is the man he's the man. Experience goes only so far unless you are suggesting that Alex is a good enough fusion of talent and experience but in that case a good game from a back up wouldn't generate such discussion

>It's hilarious how cats are 100% sure that kaep is the answer
>but all stuck on when to hand him the keys...
>If kap is the man he's the man. Experience goes only so far
>unless you are suggesting that Alex is a good enough fusion of
>talent and experience but in that case a good game from a back
>up wouldn't generate such discussion

You've seen one great performance for the team with Kaep at the controls. To assume yesterdays performance was all about him is dumb. I rewatched highlights this morning and to a man on the O-line + gore they were manhandling the bears. I didnt see kaep have to deal with any pressure situations or coming back from a deficit in this his one starting game scenario.

You were quite close to getting to the SB last year with the alex smith led offense. Who is to say what would have happened if you played the pats but this group isnt far from getting over the top. Logic wuld dictate that you stick with smith because you know EXACTLY what you have with him highs and lows.

Im always throwing shots with the gamemanager tag but he is the best kind of gamemanager. like matt schaub he is the perfect QB for the super physical ball control offense you have so logically it makes sense to stick with him.

People always like to extrapolate upwards regardless of the tiny sample size (see matt flynn) maybe we've seen kaep at his best, maybe yesterday was his ceiling, maybe yesterday's game is the type of game he has 2/6 games. Fact of the matter is the 49ers are ready to win now they managed to keep everyone (i think) from last year and add a bit.

and finally the brady/roethelisberger comparisons are erroneous as when they both came in young/mid season they gamemanaged their way to titles. Whilst you know smith can game manage you don't know how kaep will do in pressure situations.

"he ain't ready yet" (c) everyone except flash80

how do you know he's ready or not if he ain't seeing the field?

like i said in another post, alex has peaked skillset-wise (per his risk-averse conditioning). there's nothing wrong with that, but he isn't doing anything remarkable that kaep can't.

and kaep didn't even use his legs last night. (4 yds rushing)

give the kid the start against new orleans while he's *HOT* for confirmation. if he plays poorly, then hell, go back to alex.

bay area radio's gone thermonuclear this morning with the qb controversy, amidst the team winning and controlling the #2 seed now.

Teams don't have film on them so they ball out.

Flynn, Tebow, Cassel... they all did well taking over established guys in good systems. Of course their situations aren't identical, but you can't underestimate the fact just how deep tendencies for QB's get studied and dissected throughout the league.

Teams have seen tape on Alex from this year AND last... and he's STILL playing this well.

Our defense should dictate our playcalling, not the other way around. We've all seen how we play with the lead. Alex gives us a better shot at that.

i'd still like to see him get one more start on the road against a streaking team.

warren moon's saying harbaugh already knows who he's gonna start, he just ain't saying who to keep the saints guessing.

This would just exacerbate the controversy, because, win or lose, Kaep *should* do well against this team. And the Bears' ineptitude on offense meant that we had pretty nice field position the whole game (although he did lead that 90+ yard drive for a TD).

All I'm saying is that the stakes are too high to make a MASSIVE change at QB this late in the season. Honestly, considering how close we were last season, anything less than a SB berth would be disappointing.

If we make the change to Kaep and he screws it up, we're all going to wonder why the change was made.

If we keep Alex starting and he screws it up, sucks for him but we cut ties at the end of the season and KIM with Kaep with no regrets.

The only win/win situation with switching to Kaep is if we actually win it all... and it's WAY too early to be thinking about that now.




> warren moon's saying harbaugh already knows who's he's gonna start, he just ain't saying who to keep the saints guessing.

GOOD!!!! Man I love Harbaugh, haha

the Eagles don't

Kaep does things in his normal gameplay that Alex does not on a regular basis and most importantly...we as an offense need for our QB to do.

Alex is a great safe bet, but


Kaep's ceiling--------------------------










Alex's ceiling-----------------------------

and I love Alex

And fuck VD...

Threw Alex Smith under the bus for Troy Smith...

Threw Alex Smith under the bus for McNabb before the 2011 season...

And he threw Alex Smith under the bus again last night...


Yes, Kaep got the ball to VD plenty last night... But this was the only game this season where VD hasn't been doubled... Fuck, at one point last night, VD moved out into the slot and NO ONE lined up against him...

16 for 23 246 yds. 2 TD

If Alex Smith had that game, people would still be talking shit and saying, "Just imagine what Kaep would've done if he was in..."

There were plenty of throws last night that Kaep made, missed, and didn't make at all that if Alex Smith was in, people would have been talking shit... But since Kaep did it, it was alright...

dude's matured and been a consummate professional...I've heard plenty of interviews of VD defending Alex...?! Jus because he made that "handcuff" statement, that's the same as throwing alex under the bus? I'm not with you on this one man. He'll go down in the books as a niner legend and stand-up teammate

But I've given you 3 examples of him throwing Smith under the bus... Vernon knows he's a big part of the team with a big voice... He had a big game and I'm sure he was excited about that and about Kaepernick, but be cool man... Colin's throwing like Tom Brady, huh Vern?? Colin is all of a sudden "the man??" C'mon VD... Keep those comments to yourself...

And I'm excited about Kaep... I'm excited that we have a more than capable back up in case Alex goes down again...

Like I said in my previous post... Check the stats... Alex has that game, people are talking shit and probably saying they want Kaep in there... But Kaep has that kind of a game and he is now Tom fuckin Brady...

>But I've given you 3 examples of him throwing Smith under the
>bus... Vernon knows he's a big part of the team with a big
>voice...

Link me to three seperate quotes about him specifically throwing alex under the bus. I can give you at least 50 after every game where he says "alex is my guy" and "i have so much respect for alex" but the minute he gives kaep props you jump all over him! FOH

He had a big game and I'm sure he was excited about
>that and about Kaepernick, but be cool man... Colin's throwing
>like Tom Brady, huh Vern?? Colin is all of a sudden "the
>man??" C'mon VD... Keep those comments to yourself...

Once again, FOH. he was hyped! let him live a little, JESUS. wtf was he supposed to say. "kaep did great, but Alex is our starter".."Kaep did a good job"...cmon man, jus because u give one guy his props doesn't mean u throw another under the bus. thats a huge overexaggeration ESPECIALLY someone who's defended A. Smith as tough as Vernon has. He has the right to be excited and yah, maybe smith could've made those throws since vernon was single covered, but he didn't 'cause he didn't play!

>And I'm excited about Kaep... I'm excited that we have a more
>than capable back up in case Alex goes down again...
>
>Like I said in my previous post... Check the stats... Alex has
>that game, people are talking shit and probably saying they
>want Kaep in there... But Kaep has that kind of a game and he
>is now Tom fuckin Brady..

wow at you taking that Brady comment so personal. Seriously playa, ease up! As much as he's defended alex smith over the years straight up, He doesn't deserve ANY SALT from ANY NINER FANS.

So if I say Vernon's Tom Brady comment was a bit extra and he shouldn't have said that, I'm in the wrong... But everyone who wants Kaep in can turn to that comment and say, "See, Vernon compared him to Tom Brady... He ain't never compared Alex Smith to Tom Brady..." and thats cool??

You ain't making sense man...

I've heard and read Vernon countless times praise Alex Smith, but when he knows Alex is down, he throws him under the bus... "Kaep is the maaaaaaan.." "it was one of those balls that you see Tom Brady throw...” Yeah, you can look at it and say he's just praising Kaep, but damn VD... Tom Brady??

Vernon could've praised Kaep without those comments... To pretend like he doesn't understand what's going on is kinda stupid man... He knows there is a QB "situation" that is gonna be addressed... He doesn't need to say those things to the media... He should go to Harbough and tell him... Instead, he went a bit extra...

I don't care about the handcuffs comment... I don't think that was a reference to the job Kaepernick did... I think he just meant he was finally able to break out... In previous weeks, he had been talking how he hasn't been open... I felt the handcuffs comment was appropriate...

In respect to the QB situation, Vernon should know how to talk to the media in a neutral way... Instead, he created a major sound byte that's being played, talked about and referred to all over the radio and internet... And yes, by doing that, I believe it's throwing Alex under the bus...

>So if I say Vernon's Tom Brady comment was a bit extra and he
>shouldn't have said that, I'm in the wrong... But everyone who
>wants Kaep in can turn to that comment and say, "See, Vernon
>compared him to Tom Brady... He ain't never compared Alex
>Smith to Tom Brady..." and thats cool??

Whoever would point to a Vernon quote about CK and Tom Brady in regards to who should start isn't really a niner fan you should be having a serious conversation with. This whole "alex is down, vernon is bashing him" thing is ridiculous. you really think Alex is that sensitive? Dude has to have some of the toughest skin in the league with all the shit he's been thru. You're seriously outrageously exagerrating the Tom Brady comment..dude was excited and compared him to Brady, let the media spin it but don't fall for that shit. I'm pretty sure no one in the niners locker room is falling for that shit either.


>You ain't making sense man...
>
>I've heard and read Vernon countless times praise Alex Smith,
>but when he knows Alex is down, he throws him under the bus...
>"Kaep is the maaaaaaan.." "it was one of those balls that you
>see Tom Brady throw...” Yeah, you can look at it and say he's
>just praising Kaep, but damn VD... Tom Brady??

>
>Vernon could've praised Kaep without those comments... To
>pretend like he doesn't understand what's going on is kinda
>stupid man... He knows there is a QB "situation" that is gonna
>be addressed... He doesn't need to say those things to the
>media... He should go to Harbough and tell him... Instead, he
>went a bit extra...
>

Or maybe, in the heat of the moment, after the game, he was so giddy about beating the number 2 team in the nfc that he was just gushing with compliments about the first time QB. I'll take the ladder.



>I don't care about the handcuffs comment... I don't think that
>was a reference to the job Kaepernick did... I think he just
>meant he was finally able to break out... In previous weeks,
>he had been talking how he hasn't been open... I felt the
>handcuffs comment was appropriate...
>
>In respect to the QB situation, Vernon should know how to talk
>to the media in a neutral way... Instead, he created a major
>sound byte that's being played, talked about and referred to
>all over the radio and internet... And yes, by doing that, I
>believe it's throwing Alex under the bus...

Again, who gives a flying fuck about what the media does tho? All the personal business seems to be handled well in-house. I'm pretty sure nothing the media says effects this team unless it's negative and harbaugh can use it for motivation.

Could alex have put up the same type game? I think he's proved so. Dude had two incompletions in the last two games. I also think if he did he'd be getting praise too because of how good chicago's d was supposed to be..but CK gets even more because it's his first time starting. Seems like you're insecure about alex losing his job and taking it out on VD. VD's voice won't have any say on Harbaughs decision...lets just trust the coaching staff to put us in the best position to win the game. Not sure what VD has done to be cursed at...by a niner fan no less?

I'm not saying fuck VD like I don't like him... I'm just saying fuck this dude airing out this type of stuff to the media... We can act like the media doesn't mean anything, but the media is in the locker room everyday...

And yes, I know Alex is tough... This isn't about him being tough... I just don't like Vernon saying some of the shit he says... Just calling it how I see it with VD... Still love the dude...

IMO, fans are overhyped on Kaep and I think VD is too...


Fuck it, though... We all rollin with Kaep now!

i don't know how much legitimacy is in that report..i see harbaugh coming out in a rage denying the claim. I'm still hoping as soon as alex is a hundred percent we'll be ready to roll with him.

to the Bears D only applying single coverage on him. since VD doesn't verify what he was alluding to, it's whatever.

if alex was playin and made the same throws, i'm sure he would've been just as hyped. Have no idea what the big fuss is about, even with the "subliminal" spin.

He has 8 years worth of starts and two incompletions in two weeks. But if Kaep has another solid performance I'm FILETING all you 9ers fans who gave out Ls. I expect Alex to consistently have Tom Brady games in order to justify anything sort of the premature L 9ers fans were dishing out. That's THE ONLY WAY this is an L.

Kaep can be a better QB than Alex. He needs some more seasoning in practice. However, he's starting this week because it looks like Alex can't go.

haven't seen a team try to do that this season successfully.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43220/fourth-and-short-niners-dish-out-a-recipe-of-whoopass

Fourth-and-Short: Niners Dish Out a Recipe of Whoop-ass
By Bill Barnwell on November 20, 2012 12:03 PM ET

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Well, very few people expected to see that. Although there were always rumors circulating that Colin Kaepernick would impress if the 49ers ever gave him the opportunity to take on their starting job, Kaepernick's stunning performance with little advance warning against the Bears last night put Alex Smith — and the rest of the NFL — on notice. While the Jason Campbell–led Chicago offense offered little resistance in terms of making the game a contest, the defense Kaepernick ripped apart had no backups to blame or excuses to make. After holding their first nine opponents to an average of 14.8 points per game, the Bears allowed 20 points to Kaepernick's offense within the first 24 minutes, and finished the game giving up a season-high 30 points, with the Niners tacking on two points with a bizarre fourth-quarter safety. What on earth happened in the Bay Area last night?

We'll all get a better idea when the coaches film for the game comes out later this week, but on first viewing, it appeared to be a combination of a great game plan and excellent execution from a player everybody wrote off as raw. Jim Harbaugh's brilliance in designing offensive attacks for a given opponent isn't breaking news, but despite missing practice time this week to have minor heart surgery, Harbaugh's game plan to attack the previously superb Bears defense was a doozy. With Chicago's cornerbacks playing out of their minds this year, Harbaugh simply did his best to build a scheme that avoided them altogether, leaving likely Pro Bowlers Tim Jennings and Charles Tillman as onlookers.

Instead, Harbaugh went after the weak links of the Chicago defense: the safeties. Every year, it seems like the Chicago safeties, regardless of who they are, seem to combine for one abysmal game that makes you look back and wonder why anyone ever thought the Bears defense was any good. Last year, that game was the 24-13 Monday Night Football loss to the Lions. Monday night's loss might have been even uglier. The 49ers produced several big plays against the Bears by exploiting safeties Chris Conte and Major Wright in coverage, repeatedly using corner routes from elite athletes like Vernon Davis and Kyle Williams to create separation and produce big plays. When it wasn't Conte or Wright, the 49ers were able to take advantage of a relative lack of speed from the Bears linebackers. As good as Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher are at using their instincts to read plays, their advanced age means that they can't keep up in a footrace with Davis. Briggs gave it his all, but that's a duty very few linebackers can pull off.

The 49ers were able to exploit those weaknesses in part because the Bears dared them to. With Kaepernick's relative inexperience under center and his history as a running quarterback (both at Nevada and during his brief NFL career to date), the Bears pushed Wright into the box and forced Kaepernick to make adjustments before the snap against an eight-man front. Would he be brave (or effective) enough to kill the running plays that they would likely hit the line with and throw downfield? Obviously, you know the answer was yes. Kaepernick threw the ball on eight of San Francisco's first 12 plays from scrimmage, and by the time he was done, the 49ers had a 10-0 lead that they would never relinquish.

Chicago also helped Kaepernick out by playing schematically into his hands. As my colleague Chris Brown noted on Twitter during the game, the Bears often line up and use a Cover-1 "Robber" scheme that flows right into the box for run support, leaves their cornerbacks in man coverage on the sidelines, and leaves two players in zones over the middle of the field. Conte is the lone safety covering the deep middle, while Urlacher (perhaps owing to the step he's lost over the years) has gone from being the trail middle linebacker in Chicago's old Tampa-2 approach to hanging over the middle near the sticks as the "Robber."

That was fine for what the 49ers dialed up, because they only had the occasional intention of going over the middle of the field or throwing at those talented cornerbacks in man coverage. In a post on the Cover-1 Robber on his website, Chris notes that one of the biggest weaknesses with the coverage is in dealing with out-breaking routes by inside receivers. The deep corner is such a route, and with Davis and Williams lining up in the slot, it's exactly how the 49ers were able to burn the Bears for big plays during that shocking first half. With his offensive line holding up against a fearsome Chicago pass rush, Kaepernick was able to get his best athletes matched up against the weakest parts of Chicago's defense in man coverage, and he delivered perfect throws to finish the job.

I don't know that the 49ers offense is about to become a dominant downfield passing attack with Kaepernick at the helm. Kaepernick finished 3-for-7 for 111 yards on throws that traveled 15 yards in the air or more; before Sunday, the 49ers had gone 16-for-31 on such throws this year, producing 464 yards. The completion percentage and yards per attempt figures on those throws are roughly similar, although the 49ers threw deep more frequently with Kaepernick (and did so against a tough defense while picking up several of the incompletions in garbage time). The big plays were there, in part, because the Bears built their scheme around daring Kaepernick (or Smith) to make those big throws. Because he succeeded, teams are going to be hesitant to push their safeties up and leave San Francisco's slot receivers in man coverage against lesser players. That should remove some of the big-play potential, but it should create more holes for Kaepernick and the dominant San Francisco running game, which hardly needs the help.

Of course, Kaepernick can't lead an offensive revolution for the 49ers from the bench or as part of a Pistol package for a handful of snaps per game. His brilliant performance on Monday night has led to plenty of chatter that the 49ers should stick with him over Alex Smith for the immediate future, a rumor fire that Harbaugh didn't exactly douse after the game: "I usually tend to go with the guy who has the hot hand … we really have two guys who have a pretty hot hand, but we'll make that decision as we go forward." It's Kaepernick's job until Smith passes his concussion protocols, but from that point forward, there's going to be a huge fight for the starting job in San Francisco. Under a less watchful eye, that sort of back-and-forth debate could end up tearing the team apart, as it did with the turn-of-the-century Bills while Wade Phillips vacillated between Doug Flutie and Rob Johnson. Harbaugh, though, deserves the benefit of the doubt. In the end, it might not matter who plays quarterback for the 49ers as long as Harbaugh's holding a headset.

>I don't know that the 49ers offense is about to become a
>dominant downfield passing attack with Kaepernick at the helm.
>Kaepernick finished 3-for-7 for 111 yards on throws that
>traveled 15 yards in the air or more; before Sunday, the 49ers
>had gone 16-for-31 on such throws this year, producing 464
>yards. The completion percentage and yards per attempt figures
>on those throws are roughly similar, although the 49ers threw
>deep more frequently with Kaepernick (and did so against a
>tough defense while picking up several of the incompletions in
>garbage time). The big plays were there, in part, because the
>Bears built their scheme around daring Kaepernick (or Smith)
>to make those big throws. Because he succeeded, teams are
>going to be hesitant to push their safeties up and leave San
>Francisco's slot receivers in man coverage against lesser
>players. That should remove some of the big-play potential,
>but it should create more holes for Kaepernick and the
>dominant San Francisco running game, which hardly needs the
>help.

maybe hes just being coy, but if you really believe in your QB, you say he will start if hes going to.

Harbaugh's plan all along was to replace Alex with Kaep. Now is the opportunity.

You know you're contradicting yourself right? In post #212 to me, you say Smith should finish out the season and Kaep goes into next year as the #1.

Then here you're saying "Now is the time" to make the switch.

You can't play both sides, you know that right?

And, I'd like to reiterate....


For the sake of the team and this season, I REALLY hope that Harbaugh doesn't do what you want him to do. There is NOTHING to gain by starting Kaep now UNLESS we win it all... you realize that right? If we lose in the playoffs with Kaep there will be a LOT of heat on Harbaugh for making that switch.

Can't really take you seriously if you can't even explain it yourself.

>For the sake of the team and this season, I REALLY hope that
>Harbaugh doesn't do what you want him to do. There is NOTHING
>to gain by starting Kaep now UNLESS we win it all... you
>realize that right? If we lose in the playoffs with Kaep
>there will be a LOT of heat on Harbaugh for making that
>switch.

People don't give a fuck about Alex Smith outside of his little band of crusaders. This is what people care about...

"I'm not even sure where I stand on the situation, but I do know one thing...Colin Kaepernick made some throws that Alex Smith would never try, let alone complete."

This is fresh off of Niners Nation. Has it only been one game? Yes. However, what will it take to make a decision to play a guy who has more potential? So because you have a contender you don't allow guys with more potential to try to play in fear of the new guy going bonkers on some Sunny Jim/Petey Greene shit? Play it safe? On some Doc Rivers shit... Im a Celtic fan...ive watched ballers leave the end of our bench and go be productive elsewhere in spots where we actually needed help. What does it take?

What I do care about is that 70% completion %, low turnovers and high QB rating.

> "I'm not even sure where I stand on the situation, but I do know one thing...Colin Kaepernick made some throws that Alex Smith would never try, let alone complete."

Oh, you mean some of those throws that Alex made while beating the Saints in the playoffs last year? After playing an extremely efficient full season prior? And who is playing an even more efficient season so far this year? That Alex Smith?

And FOH at comparing this situation to something in basketball... If you're trying to compare changing your QUARTERBACK to some talented kid at the end of the bench getting some run, then your analytical skills are seriously wack.

You can say whatever you want, I will choose not to engage you further. Your lack of logic is unsettling.

>What I do care about is that 70% completion %, low turnovers
>and high QB rating.

we go down 10, we have no shot to win the game.
Alex makes a big mistake, he curls up for the rest of the game

^^^those are real concerns. Take the good with the bad.



>Oh, you mean some of those throws that Alex made while beating
>the Saints in the playoffs last year?

Dude, Alex Smith has not been doing that shit on a regular basis ever...

After playing an
>extremely efficient full season prior? And who is playing an
>even more efficient season so far this year? That Alex Smith?

he is efficient...i know.



>And FOH at comparing this situation to something in
>basketball... If you're trying to compare changing your
>QUARTERBACK to some talented kid at the end of the bench
>getting some run, then your analytical skills are seriously
>wack.

What i'm saying is that I've seen coaches leave potential on the bench in favor of safety and it amount to nothing.




>You can say whatever you want, I will choose not to engage you
>further. Your lack of logic is unsettling.

oh ok... You have committed to Alex Smith, while none of the actual players or coaches or front office has...but Kaep getting the nod is totally out of the question and my logic is unsettling...hahaha fuck off

>>What I do care about is that 70% completion %, low
>turnovers
>>and high QB rating.
>
>we go down 10, we have no shot to win the game.
>Alex makes a big mistake, he curls up for the rest of the
>game
>
>^^^those are real concerns. Take the good with the bad.

Now Alex Smith can't lead the team back?? Didn't he have 6 4th quarter comebacks last season?? Didn't he lead the Niners back from 20 points down against the Eagles?? He led them back from 10 points down against the LIons... Both road games by the way... Both 4th quarter comebacks by the way...

>
>>Oh, you mean some of those throws that Alex made while
>beating
>>the Saints in the playoffs last year?
>
>Dude, Alex Smith has not been doing that shit on a regular
>basis ever...

How are you gonna say Alex Smith hasn't been doing shit on a regular basis as your argument for Kaep?? Kaep has started 1 game... Your logic is fucked...

by saying this...

I have been a supporter of Alex Smith... I'm not one of THOSE guys. With that being said, I

1) Can see Harbaugh turning the team over to Kaepernick

2) Am widly intrigued by the potential of our offense with Kaepernick

Do I think it is a good idea to change QBs halfway through a contention season? No. But its not because I think Alex Smith is the idea quarterback for our team. I dont think the team believes that either. I think the idea guy for our team is one that will play like the guy did on monday vs Chicago. So with that being said, if Harbaugh was to turn it over to Kaep, I wouldn't wince once. I know Kaep would not play that great every week, but then again neither will Alex.

There are a shit load of maybes and predictions we can do with the situation but there are a couple of things I do know...

1) colin kaepernick's ceiling as a nfl quaterback is higher than alex smith's. and

2) colin kaepernick ain't scared.

That's all I need to know to be a member of Team Kaep...not anti alex.

Man, some of y'all are really thick sometimes.

could go either way. You know as much as I do...which is nothing on the matter.

What coach benches his starting QB, having one of the best seasons of his career, while the team is winning, for the back-up, based off of one game? If his starting QB is still concussed, that's one thing. But otherwise, it doesn't happen, and it shows he doesn't know what he's doing. So turn off Colin Herd, stop drawing lines in the sand, and chill out.

It's only off of one game TO US..THE FANS...WE ARE OUTSIDERS.

Harbaugh: 1) traded up for Kaep

2) players have been quoted in saying that Kaep got a lot of work in training camp and practices..perhaps more than the average backup? Maybe.

3) Notice that NOBODY in the niner org. has come out and said "Alex Smith IS our QB" NOT ONE. Not VD, Gore, Crab, Harbaugh, Moss, Staley...no body

Quit acting like shit is totally out of the question just because you don't think it should happen.

Alex Smith is indeed having the best season of his career...and there are still questions whether or not he can get it done...from HIS OWN TEAM.

Acting like no one saying "Alex is a QB" is indicative of something. No one in the org says ANYTHING. Least of all Harbaugh. VD makes the handcuff comment, and there's now some groundswell for Kaep? Okay, guy.

I'm not saying that anything is absolutely going to happen. However, you are trying to pretend as if Harbaugh handing the keys over to Kaep is totally out of the question...

and if you read some of the player quotes...it goes a little deeper than "saying nothing" Vernon says...

"Respect. I respect him. I love him. And I was just so proud of him at that moment because the ball that he threw me, it was one of those balls that you see Tom Brady throw. Second window, right on the money. I didn't expect the ball to come because we've ran that play quite a few times and the tight end usually doesn't get the ball on that play. But, he saw it and he just put it there."

Alex Smith, or guy that you are personally comparing throws to Tom Brady's? hmmm, let me think...

Love VD, but he has a long history of talking out his ass. If you're really taking his quotes as gospel, then you really are on that Skip Bayless.

I didn't say I agreed with VD or that VD was right or that he wasn't talking out of his ass...

my only point is that this is the sentiment of an important teammate of Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick.

the most productive air target on the team, right or wrong, is in the frame of mind to compare Kaep to Tom Brady.

One good game and it's "He can do things that Smith can't! Smith has never been consistent! I'm drawing a line in the sand!" Whatever, dude.

Now, you appear to have tempered things in #279. Which is good. No one's arguing that Kaep's time can't and won't come. But to think it's going to happen now, based on one game and a sentence in a press conference by Harbaugh (who was in all likelihood purposely obfuscating) would be really silly.

and after finally getting some good looks in single coverage, he was obviously quite happy


"I love it. I love it when Alex gets after it, man. He's a very competitive guy. He's been through a lot. To me he's a warrior. I'm gonna take his side, everyday. Any day. I got 'em."

took 10 seconds to find this quote...

but regardless, my point is he always exaggerates and says overly nice things about people...he obviously doesnt think kaep is tom brady, nor is he always gonna have alex smith's back if alex is playing like shit.

i'm not gonna get into the argument about who should start the next game, just wanted to say vd's comments aren't indicative of much

>Quit acting like shit is totally out of the question just
>because you don't think it should happen.


I mean i went further than you and said I think Smith should keep his job. Hell in my main fantasy league where we start 2 qbs, guess whos one of my qbs...Alex Smith. I hope he keeps the fuckin job, but anyone completely blowing off and ignoring the signs of the change that will come eventually are just fooling themselves.

>I mean i went further than you and said I think Smith should
>keep his job. Hell in my main fantasy league where we start 2
>qbs, guess whos one of my qbs...Alex Smith. I hope he keeps
>the fuckin job, but anyone completely blowing off and ignoring
>the signs of the change that will come eventually are just
>fooling themselves.

No one thinks that Kaep isn't going to get the job eventually. It'll probably come within a season or two. Anyone jockeying for it right now is the ones fooling themselves.

>What coach benches his starting QB, having one of the best
>seasons of his career, while the team is winning, for the
>back-up, based off of one game? If his starting QB is still
>concussed, that's one thing. But otherwise, it doesn't happen,
>and it shows he doesn't know what he's doing.

overall I agree that Alex should start through this season, but doesnt seem like Harbaugh feels that way.

I meaan Alex was reportedly close to playing already last week...

Harbaugh is always cagey. He hates talking to press and always spin bullshit at his press conferences. If you think he's going to be tip his hand during a press conference, then you haven't been watching the guy.

I dont watch ESPN btw unless a game is on.

See you in a few months...or a few weeks :)

And people who are buying into the Kaep agenda after one week either have short oattention spans or believe what gets spooned to them bu sports radio.

Stick to trolling your Jermey Lin agenda. That's funny. You and Realityrap on your Skip Bayless is kinda sad.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8659718&categoryid=2378529

don't like Bruschi, but that's pretty much it.

Kaep might be the future, but I don't see them taking risks during a season where we could be in the Superbowl. As I said above, we aren't the Jets or Eagles or Chiefs.

confident Harbaugh is in Kaepernick... its not like we were on some run run pass kick shit on monday. Kaepernick ran the offense.

And he's been good at it. Excellent even. So they make the change why exactly? Any other reason than "Alex Smith is still concussed" is asinine.

I'm also sure that if Smith is indeed still injured, and Kaep starts as a result, trolls and pundits will spin it as, "Oh, he's not REALLY injured. Harbaugh just wan to play Kaep."

>And he's been good at it. Excellent even. So they make the
>change why exactly? Any other reason than "Alex Smith is still
>concussed" is asinine.


even if not, it should be. anyone trying to apportion blame for the NFC championship game on any single person NOT named Kyle Williams does not deserve a response.

So I'll write this off as getting caught in the hype of the moment.

Now it makes so much more sense

You just refuse to acknowledge that harbaugh may start kaep. May as in there's a possibility

If this is the case, how do you know which way he is leaning?

"is Colin your QB going forward?"

with:

"Well I'll roll with the hot hand and right now we have two hot hands"

instead of just saying "Alex is our guy, he'll be the starter once he's cleared to play" which is what everyone expected him to say.

he also said he expects Alex to be cleared this week, which makes his response even more curious because he knows Smith will most likley be available to play.

that makes sense will just be written of as alex hate...even though it probably is.

Ill respond for them though...

Jim Harbaugh is a criptic genius in press conferences. He never tips his hand. So he didn't mean anything by that, and that is evidence that whatever I think he should do is actually going to happen.

saved niggas some typing.

right?

wouldn't be surprised if the team already knows who's starting and they're being tight-lipped about it to have an advantage.

Let's chill out here. Right now it's one game.

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mU_-3h-MJ8a84jCBj45_tXQ.jpg

SI is reporting that Kaep is starting and it has nothing to do with Alex's health...

https://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter/status/271451319775154177

Fuck it, the decision has been made... Let's go get a win in NO, boys!

>SI is reporting that Kaep is starting and it has nothing to
>do with Alex's health...
>
>https://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter/status/271451319775154177
>
>Fuck it, the decision has been made... Let's go get a win in
>NO, boys!

Kaep is definitely talented, I hope he's ready to take the leading role with this team. We'll see how this plays out, but I woulda stayed loyal to Alex at this point.

6-2 with Smith...

1-0 with Kaep...

Doesn't make much sense to me...

I got faith in Harbough, though... I'm hoping this has to do with a lot more than just the Monday night game...

Seems like the conservative play is to give Alex the job back and be cool knowing that you've got Kaepernick ready and waiting in the wings. Harbaugh has done an outstanding job with the team since taking over so I imagine he's got a plan for this situation. Seattle is no joke so I hope the 49ers don't slip up with the rotating QB's.

>Seattle is no joke so I hope the 49ers
>don't slip up with the rotating QB's.

Rotating qb's now?? week 11?? makes me nervous...


But I am happy this decision has been made today... Glad it was decided Friday or Saturday... I hope Kaep has a good game again and the Niners get a win... If the Niners don't win, and Kaep doesn't have a good game, I'm going to have to avoid all devices that have access to the internet for at least a week...

Smith is still hurt. Kaep is getting first team reps. I even predicted this is the exact reaction that you'd have.

He still hasn't been cleared. I also said this is exactly how you'd react if S,ith wasn't healthy and Kaep got the start. So tell me how I was wrong. And stop being such a wind up toy.

Feel free to keep talking though.

That's bullshit? Haha bizarre

it's pathetic. who fucking cares?

it's a Niners post. we win, then we all win.

damn never everyone thinks Alex deserves better than getting benched, but really care for the W. good.

Kap starting was never out of the question. shit, Alex hasn't even been cleared.

>it's pathetic. who fucking cares?
>
>it's a Niners post. we win, then we all win.
>
>damn never everyone thinks Alex deserves better than getting
>benched, but really care for the W. good.
>
>Kap starting was never out of the question. shit, Alex hasn't
>even been cleared.
>
>

Apparently a few niggas in the post care. All the way back at post 279 or so I clearly stated my stance on the whole shit, and other niggas ain't wanna let it rest. Don't come at me like I been debating myself fuck you.

Also lol@ Alex hasn't been cleared as the new excuse for kaep starting...it's Wednesday night, pa. We play Sunday

>Apparently a few niggas in the post care. All the way back at
>post 279 or so I clearly stated my stance on the whole shit,
>and other niggas ain't wanna let it rest. Don't come at me
>like I been debating myself fuck you.

you said Alex was DONE. period. then you backtracked to "Kap has a chance to start".

>Also lol@ Alex hasn't been cleared as the new excuse for kaep
>starting...it's Wednesday night, pa. We play Sunday
>

it's not an excuse; he really hasn't been cleared yet if you've been paying attention, "pa". go root for the Browns or the Mud Hens.

Being cleared as of Wednesday night, no?

Who trolls their own team's post???

I don't even know what the fuck trolling is

I've already called you out on your bullshit...

No one here takes L's...

Harbough possibly could, but no one here... We want the Niners to win...

Now go away...

Not want to admit that their pure stubborn act on a particular subject....(kaep shouldn't start, Alex gives us a better chance to win etc, harbaugh is too smart to make the switch halfway through a contending season, Alex Smith's limitations were actually due to his supporting cast, etc.)

Now turns out Jim Harbaugh does not agree with you (reports do say the switch was not health related, but mr hood ignores that) but y'all still want to ride this wave of I don't know shit when things are playing out in contrast to the point you all have been trying to make thus far.

PS. No QB who is intended to start gets ruled out of a game on Wednesday night because of concussion symptoms so don't even try it

Cuz it doesn't make any sense to me or address anything said...

This whole situation is still up in the air. Basically we get a tweet from a respected NFL reporter saying an anonymous source informed him Kaepernick would be starting and that it had nothing to with Alex's health. Since then this has been refuted by just about everybody involved with the 49ers. Alex is still getting some first team reps in practice and hasn't been cleared or ruled out for Sunday's game. Kaep, Alex, Roman, VD, etc. all saying that no decision has been made about who's getting the start.

This idea that it's 100% decided that Alex has lost the job seems pretty suspect at this point. It's possible but I don't think the evidence has proven that yet.

Even though he's starting Sunday. There's just no way in hell Jim Harbaugh would make that decision apparently

that Harbough would start Kap... Or show me where I said anything like that... Doesn't have to be exact words...

I believe that Alex gives us the best chance to win... Harbough thinks differently, thats cool... I don't (and I'm pretty sure everyone else here that you're trying to hand out imaginary L's to) think the Niners will automatically lose because Kap is starting... The Niners can win with Kap, they showed that on Monday... But I still think Alex gives us a better chance to beat the Saints... I don't have to agree with Harbough, but as a Niner fan, I back all his decisions... GO KAP! GO NINERS! BEAT THE SAINTS!

I did make one wrong statement. That statement being that Alex couldn't bring us from deficit. He hasn't done it this season but he did on the reg last season.

The whole rest of the shit is arguing preference. The Niners are in a win/win with those two dudes. I just prefer that we try our hand at going with the guy with the most talent and allowing Harbaugh to coach him up.

I believe in kaep and its not just based on one game. It's also based on the organization's faith in him. They drafted him and the see what he can do in practice and nobody seems to have any worries about him taking over if he does so. So I say fuck it let it roll. If Alex comes back that's cool too. He was balling before the injury. But I like the potential of Kaep. Some cats are looking at it like its a lack of preparation issue with opposing teams. I'm looking at it like he could improve with every start. Optimism, they call it

I might not agree with the decision, but if we win, great. I'll be the loudest motherfucka in my building. I know everyone in here wants the Niners to win it all this year. Only agenda that matters is winning the Superbowl.

The Niners played on Monday and its felt like it has taken 2 weeks just to get to Saturday... I'm so hyped for this game tomorrow...

I wonder what kind of game plan the Niners are going to run with... I'm pretty sure we can just run the ball down their throats... But I wonder if Harbough is gonna have Kap slinging that ball from the get just to let the Saints know we ain't fuckin around...

>The Niners played on Monday and its felt like it has taken 2
>weeks just to get to Saturday... I'm so hyped for this game
>tomorrow...
>
>I wonder what kind of game plan the Niners are going to run
>with... I'm pretty sure we can just run the ball down their
>throats... But I wonder if Harbough is gonna have Kap slinging
>that ball from the get just to let the Saints know we ain't
>fuckin around...

.

does your moribund franchise pain you so that you have to troll the posts of other team's fans?

Yey you keep flapping your gums because theres nothing but bitch in your blood. And I'm sure your bitch ass is now going to keep following me around from post to post, talking about this "L" I supposedly took, because, I don't know, your mother dropped you on your head when you were young.

So, before you continue e-stalking of me, I'll say this, and I'll use small words, because you're not very bright: if we wn with either QB, no matter who, I win because my team wins. You cant understand that, because your teams stay losing. Losers like you play agenda games, because it's all you have.

So stop following me, and keep my name out of your mouth. Pussy.

but i can see you're going through the 5 stages of grief right now, first there was denial, now you've hit anger.

Smith was benched because he was limited, plain and simple, no need to get so emotional over it. this is a good thing for the niners, the offense is much more dangerous now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXmD6qdDCDE

I think that works to the Niners advantage... I really hope they can go in to NO and get this win...

Aldon and Justin...

Kap looked good... but our D...


DAMN!

Postgame, VD states that he believes that Alex is still the man and should be starting...

But at the same time, he states this pretty much after Kap has got the job...

Fuck it, doesn't matter now...

Kinda funny hearing people talk about how many points the Niners put up yesterday as an argument for Kap... Apparently forgetting the defense scored nearly half our points...

Either way, I'd really like Harbough to quit bullshittin... Don't play this nonsense game with the media... We're either rollin Kap or we're rollin Alex... Not sure what competitive advantage he thinks he's getting...


Seems like Kyle Williams will be out for a minute, looks like the 1st rounder Jenkins will get a shot... And with Hunter going down, LaMichael James might see the field...

This should be another interesting week...

8-2-1 <----Pretty damn good!

>Postgame, VD states that he believes that Alex is still the
>man and should be starting...

>But at the same time, he states this pretty much after Kap has
>got the job...
>
>Fuck it, doesn't matter now...
>
>Kinda funny hearing people talk about how many points the
>Niners put up yesterday as an argument for Kap... Apparently
>forgetting the defense scored nearly half our points...

Kap did his thing. People who don't know what they're talking about don't change that fact.



>Either way, I'd really like Harbough to quit bullshittin...
>Don't play this nonsense game with the media... We're either
>rollin Kap or we're rollin Alex... Not sure what competitive
>advantage he thinks he's getting...

I agree 100%


>Seems like Kyle Williams will be out for a minute, looks like
>the 1st rounder Jenkins will get a shot... And with Hunter
>going down, LaMichael James might see the field...

I can't wait for LaMichael James to get some tick. He can be another gamebreaker. We shall see about Jenkins. What I do know is that its frustrating watching wideouts who were taken after Jenkins be playmakers for other teams...Its early for him though and we are deep at the position.


>This should be another interesting week...
>
>8-2-1 <----Pretty damn good!

>Postgame, VD states that he believes that Alex is still the
>man and should be starting...
did ANYONE say that shit last week? i'd just side-eye that shit

>But at the same time, he states this pretty much after Kap has
>got the job...

>Fuck it, doesn't matter now...
>
>Kinda funny hearing people talk about how many points the
>Niners put up yesterday as an argument for Kap... Apparently
>forgetting the defense scored nearly half our points...
yeah, cats are so eager to bury Alex and act like he literally ain't SHIT that they're now attributing EVERYTHING on offense to Kaep, who played a good game no doubt, but let's not act like Alex handled many a bad snap last year on the run and turned that shit into gold. Like we get it, Kaep looks spectacular in some flashes. But make no mistake, our DEFENSE took that game when it was on the verge of getting dangerous. 21-7 down to the Saints isn't a position I'd want to be in.



>Either way, I'd really like Harbough to quit bullshittin...
>Don't play this nonsense game with the media... We're either
>rollin Kap or we're rollin Alex... Not sure what competitive
>advantage he thinks he's getting...
i don't even care about this. the team knows what's up, the media can cry about it


>Seems like Kyle Williams will be out for a minute, looks like
>the 1st rounder Jenkins will get a shot... And with Hunter
>going down, LaMichael James might see the field...
who would have thought that our NFC championship goat was the more reliable return man? I don't know WHAT the fuck Ginn was thinking. All that depth at receiver and running back is paying off. Dixon, Jacobs, James, and Jenkins will probably all get some run during the latter half of the season.


>This should be another interesting week...
yeah, some get back v. the Rams...


>8-2-1 <----Pretty damn good!

>did ANYONE say that shit last week? i'd just side-eye that
>shit

Honestly, I think VD said that shit because he didn't get any yards this week. I believe his only catch was erased by a penalty.



>i don't even care about this. the team knows what's up, the
>media can cry about it

Where I am too (see below).


>who would have thought that our NFC championship goat was the
>more reliable return man? I don't know WHAT the fuck Ginn was
>thinking.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't yesterday Ginn's first big fuck up of the season? I thought he was averaging the highest number of yards per return this season? Regardless, yesteray's fuck up was indeed awful.

Can't remember who said it in the game post, but something about NO really brings out the beast in Whitner and Brooks. And it was great to see Willis all over the place as well.

And Kaep did his thing. He performed about how I'd expected him to perform in the game, good and bad. I'm not gonna try to extrapolate how he would have done against other teams or how Alex would have done against the same team, 'cause honestly, I hate "What if...?" games. I do like that they kept the running game going strong; that's always going to be essential.

As for Harbaugh keeping it close to the vest who's gonna be the QB each week, whatever. That's just for the media and mind games with the other team. I'm pretty convinced that he knows right now who exactly is going to start against the Rams (it'll be Kaep), and both Kaep and Smith know where they stand.

Regardless, this was a game that before the season even started, I'd mentally penciled in as a possible loss. Good to see them handle their biz. Hopefully next week we can get some redemption for the shitty performance we had against the Rams two weeks ago.

like to see what AJ Jenkins can do out there


lord knows we don't need Ginn playing wr for us ...

Just let me finish cracking up first... cause when I clicked on this post I just knew I'd see a certain person in here revving up his already failed agenda... he didn't disappoint lol

Any way about Kaep & Alex... truthfully I was pretty uneasy about them throwing the kid into a game like this in a dome like that. But he did fine... better than fine really. Some big plays that were wiped out by penalties, bad calls and drops... but as it ended up his numbers looked very Alex like in the end. But the difference is the big play ability and being able to make a play on the fly... those are the two biggest reasons I'm fully in the Kaepernick camp this morning. Now I think Alex would also have won both these two games vs the Bears and Saints... and with Alex we might have won the Ram too game seeing as the offense was just getting in rhythm when he left... but Kaep has answered the one question I had that would have given me pause to make the switch... The question of poise. Now that I've seen him under center in real game action for close to 11 quarters it's foolish not to admit the time for the change is at hand.

The anti Smith contingent will of course use this as an opportunity to go back on their offensive but this switch is more about Kaep than Alex. We're not talking about replacing Alex with Shaun Hill, JT O'Sullivan or Troy Smith here... we're talking a big, young, mobile QB with a rocket arm that's now proven he's ready to play. Alex has proven he can win with this team and in turn has proven himself... I see a good half dozen or more teams that could use Alex right now... bottom line is Alex will land on his feet and be fine.

But what some of you Alex haters need to get through your heads is those of us in here are 9er fans first... only thing that's ever mattered to me is we have the right guy behind center... and right now that guy is Collin Kaepernick. But more than anything I'm just happy to have two guys at the position I know we can win with down the stretch.
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>Just let me finish cracking up first... cause when I clicked
>on this post I just knew I'd see a certain person in here
>revving up his already failed agenda... he didn't disappoint
>lol
he's not alone. a lot of other fuckers are up in other posts on some "he's barely anything worth keeping, that's why they looked at peyton," bullshit, acting like we called dude the second coming of Montana.

>Any way about Kaep & Alex... truthfully I was pretty uneasy
>about them throwing the kid into a game like this in a dome
>like that. But he did fine... better than fine really. Some
>big plays that were wiped out by penalties, bad calls and
>drops... but as it ended up his numbers looked very Alex like
>in the end. But the difference is the big play ability and
>being able to make a play on the fly... those are the two
>biggest reasons I'm fully in the Kaepernick camp this morning.
>Now I think Alex would also have won both these two games vs
>the Bears and Saints... and with Alex we might have won the
>Ram too game seeing as the offense was just getting in rhythm
>when he left... but Kaep has answered the one question I had
>that would have given me pause to make the switch... The
>question of poise. Now that I've seen him under center in real
>game action for close to 11 quarters it's foolish not to admit
>the time for the change is at hand.
he clearly doesn't look wide-eyed. as long as it works i'm cool. what worries me is what happened with the 14-2 chargers who should have but totally shit the bed v. the patriots, the year after drew brees left. when shit is sticky, i just hope that kaep can respond. despite what haters will insist upon, alex showed that when shit was up against the wall, he could get shit done and make comebacks. comebacks are more a function of playing enough games where you're trailing at a specific point, but yesterday could have gotten rough if not for brooks' INT TD. I just don't want him to make a "green" mistake on a team that doesn't even NEED that much ability to win a chip. But as long as shit stays well, I'm all in.


>The anti Smith contingent will of course use this as an
>opportunity to go back on their offensive but this switch is
>more about Kaep than Alex. We're not talking about replacing
>Alex with Shaun Hill, JT O'Sullivan or Troy Smith here...
>we're talking a big, young, mobile QB with a rocket arm that's
>now proven he's ready to play. Alex has proven he can win with
>this team and in turn has proven himself... I see a good half
>dozen or more teams that could use Alex right now... bottom
>line is Alex will land on his feet and be fine.
BASICALLY. it's all the 11th hour, QUIET AS FUCK after the saints game last season and most of this season "see he ain't shit" posts that i have to ignore at this point cause they straight up act like we put alex smith's treatment above this team's success.


>But what some of you Alex haters need to get through your
>heads is those of us in here are 9er fans first... only thing
>that's ever mattered to me is we have the right guy behind
>center... and right now that guy is Collin Kaepernick. But
>more than anything I'm just happy to have two guys at the
>position I know we can win with down the stretch.
yerp

>I just don't want him to make a "green"
>mistake on a team that doesn't even NEED that much ability to
>win a chip. But as long as shit stays well, I'm all in.

I can't say that doesn't worry me as well... but it's not like Alex is beyond making any mistakes and it's clear the big play potential is higher with Kaep on the field. But yeah nobody ever said slotting a 2nd year QB in during a playoff run wasn't risky.

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back from Turkey break.

so the things i loved?
it's obviously his ability to run, avoid the pass rush, and his laser-rocket arm - like everyone else.
he's confident and it shows.
that pass he threaded in between defenders into a spot only Crabs could get it? too bad Crabs dropped it 'cause that shit was beautiful.

my worries?
INTs / turnovers.
that first INT was erased by a Brees pick-6.
what should've been a second INT (IN THE END ZONE!) was saved by Moss.

this team is built around an offense that isn't supposed to turn it over, and we could've lost the game because of either one of those plays. this is a team that should be better than last year's that barely missed the Super Bowl. they're messing with the game plan/formula that got them there and that they worked on in the summer.

to conclude, the verdict is still out for this season, for me at least. i still think Kap should be held back until next season - when the offense can be tweaked and designed for his abilities; as of right now, i think it's obviously built for Alex - it's conservative, and in turn limits Kap's potential. i just hope this doesn't cost us in the playoffs.

before you say i'm hating, i'm not in any way saying that Kap's not ready -- i'm saying that our team, by design, is not ready for Kap. the short off-season hurt us last year and the switch to Kap gives me that same feeling. hope the kid proves that's not the case; i'm rooting for him.

Our running game and defense are predicated on holding leads. Despite what happened yesterday, we're not the type of defense that generates lots of turnovers. We're great at forcing punts, but below league average in terms of forcing turnovers.

Mistakes would be the biggest downfall for this team, and as we all know, a single mistake could ruin an entire season.

Alex is no statue, but Kaep is clearly much better at dodging the rush and still making a positive play.

That said, I still think the smarter play is to put the CK genie back in the bottle for the reminder of this season (barring another Smith injury).

In fact I'm pretty sure I've posted something along these lines a couple times on here

But we've now had a good long look at Kaep and it's changed everything. Not that he's arrived and everything will be peachy from here on out... but we've seen enough to know the kid can handle the speed of the game and make solid reads. The ability part was never really in question but I will say his level of accuracy has been a pleasant surprise.

Unlike some of the football 'experts' on here I don't think this is about Smith as much as it is Kaepernick. The staff knew Kaep had the ability but coming off a 13-3 season and nearly missing a super bowl meant they couldn't just turn things over to a second year QB... especially after Smith has the season he did. But I think he really opened some eyes starting in training camp and on into the regular season, both with his play on the field and in practice. Smith's concussion gave them an opportunity to take a peak at just how far along Kaep had really come. The Ram game gave them enough of a taste and Harbaugh was clearly intrigued... but I still think they would have went back to Smith the following week had he been fully healthy. When Alex was slow to recover and Kaep got the start vs the Bears the door was then opened. In fact, told my daughter the day of the Bear game that Kaep had a chance to play himself into the starters job with a great performance. Now with the Saints game also under his belt it's clear to the staff and most everyone else that his mental development is far enough along that it's a reasonable gamble to tap into his talents.

The idea that Smith has somehow been exposed and his haters have been redeemed is comical... had Smith never been hurt he'd still be leading a team to the playoffs and potentially to a Super Bowl. This is about Collin Kaepernick more than anything. Those that disagree can start their argument by listing all the other backups in the league the 49ers would have sat Alex for Sunday. No this isn't a Joe vs Steve controversy but it damn sure isn't JT O'Sullivan vs Shaun Hill either.
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>In fact I'm pretty sure I've posted something along these
>lines a couple times on here
>
>But we've now had a good long look at Kaep and it's changed
>everything. Not that he's arrived and everything will be
>peachy from here on out... but we've seen enough to know the
>kid can handle the speed of the game and make solid reads. The
>ability part was never really in question but I will say his
>level of accuracy has been a pleasant surprise.
>
>Unlike some of the football 'experts' on here I don't think
>this is about Smith as much as it is Kaepernick. The staff
>knew Kaep had the ability but coming off a 13-3 season and
>nearly missing a super bowl meant they couldn't just turn
>things over to a second year QB... especially after Smith has
>the season he did. But I think he really opened some eyes
>starting in training camp and on into the regular season, both
>with his play on the field and in practice. Smith's concussion
>gave them an opportunity to take a peak at just how far along
>Kaep had really come. The Ram game gave them enough of a taste
>and Harbaugh was clearly intrigued... but I still think they
>would have went back to Smith the following week had he been
>fully healthy. When Alex was slow to recover and Kaep got the
>start vs the Bears the door was then opened. In fact, told my
>daughter the day of the Bear game that Kaep had a chance to
>play himself into the starters job with a great performance.
>Now with the Saints game also under his belt it's clear to the
>staff and most everyone else that his mental development is
>far enough along that it's a reasonable gamble to tap into his
>talents.
>
>The idea that Smith has somehow been exposed and his haters
>have been redeemed is comical... had Smith never been hurt
>he'd still be leading a team to the playoffs and potentially
>to a Super Bowl. This is about Collin Kaepernick more than
>anything. Those that disagree can start their argument by
>listing all the other backups in the league the 49ers would
>have sat Alex for Sunday... go ahead, I'll wait.
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i feel bad for the kid. he really wanted redemption this year.

Did they just pull him after the fumble or was he hurt... I never saw anything on it one way or another.
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or at least that is his excuse...

Either way, gotta feel for KW... He has been playing well and kinda always had outside that game we won't speak of... Hope he's back and ready for another run next season...

Looking forward to seeing some of our rookie talent get a chance to step up and play...

supposed to get official word sometime today

Guess we're going to see how ready James and Jenkins are... or do the 9ers go another way?
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i'd like to see LaBronMichael JornJames to step up.

But another advantage of having Kaep back there is he can take some of those himself on read options... that should take some of the pressure off James.
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He may not be reliable between the tackles like Hunter has proven to be, but as a change of pace guy and catching passes out of the backfield he will be very good... if we get him the ball in space..look out

Maybe Maiocco is just speculating here but Jacobs doesn't make sense as a replacement for Hunter... I've always seen him as Gore insurance more than anything.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/How-do-49ers-replace-Williams-Hunter?blockID=806731&feedID=5936

How do 49ers replace Williams, Hunter?

The 49ers' slot receiver and backup punt returner is officially out for the season with a knee injury. The 49ers' backup running back is headed for injured reserve, too, with an apparent Achilles injury.
For all the talk that this means for the 49ers' top two draft picks, A.J. Jenkins and LaMichael James, it might turn into bigger opportunities for two veteran free-agent pickups: Randy Moss and Brandon Jacobs.

Here's what the 49ers must consider as they move into the final five games of the regular season without Kyle Williams and Kendall Hunter.

Replacing Williams
The 49ers' three best wide receivers are Michael Crabtree, Mario Manningham and Randy Moss. Williams was the 49ers' best slot receiver, so when the 49ers went with three wides, Williams was on the field, along with Crabtree and Manningham.

After Williams' injury on Sunday, the 49ers used three wides on only one play: Manningham was in the slot, with Crabtree and Moss flanked out wide.

Moss has 32.5 percent of the 49ers' offensive plays this season. He has been on the field, mostly, when the 49ers go with two backs, two tight ends and one wideout.

But it becomes a question of which remaining receiver the 49ers believe is the best in the slot. If the answer is Manningham, then it will mean a lot more playing time for Moss.

Manningham showed good short-area quickness when he lined up in the slot in the first half with Frank Gore on the outside. Manningham ran a whip route that left Saints cornerback Jabari Greer scrambling. He turned it into a 40-yard gain.

When the 49ers drafted Jenkins with the No. 30 overall pick, they touted his versatility. He spent the summer learning each of the three receiver spots, including the slot. Jenkins has yet to play in a game. And his only chance to make a big contribution now will be to convince the coaching staff that the trio of Crabtree-Manningham-Jenkins is better than Crabtree-Manningham-Moss.

With Williams and Hunter out of action, it means that the do not have much of a safety net underneath Ted Ginn in the return game.

Cornerback Perrish Cox is the most logical backup as a punt returner. The 49ers signed Chad Hall to the practice squad, and he is an option to be promoted if they need another punt returner.

James does not appear ready to return punts in a game, but he is definitely option behind Ginn on kickoff returns.

Replacing Hunter
The 49ers initially reported Hunter's condition as an ankle injury. But team athletic trainer Jeff Ferguson was seen examining Hunter's left Achilles on the sideline Sunday in New Orleans. The Sacramento Bee reported Tuesday that Hunter sustained an Achilles tear.

This is precisely the reason the 49ers kept Jacobs on the 53-man roster. Hunter was the No. 2 running back behind Frank Gore. He averaged 5.2 yards a carry, and he every week his grasp on the backup job became more secure.

There was simply no role for Jacobs because he does not play special teams. On most game days, Anthony Dixon was the 49ers' third running back because of his versatility while Jacobs was in street clothes, failing to secure a spot as one of the team's 46 active players.

Dixon has carried 12 times for 48 yards, mostly in mop-up duty, while Jacobs' two snaps on Sunday against the New Orleans Saints were his only times on the playing field this season.

Hunter's injury means that the 49ers must decide on another No. 2 running back. Jacobs, an eighth-year pro, has the track record. He has averaged 4.5 yards a carry in his career with 56 touchdowns. He is the logical choice to get the bulk of the playing time behind Gore.

With Hunter's injury, it's possible that James could be active for the first time this season. It's also possible that James could be used on occasion when quarterback Colin Kaepernick runs those zone-read-option plays. James and Kaepernick worked those plays well during the exhibition season. James had 63 yards on 13 carries (4.8 average) in the preseason.
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I'm more like hoping that he gives James a shot to play. I'm also anxious to see if Jenkins can contribute.

hunter going on IR.

mighta been my fav on the team.

i mean, that walsh pro formation sweep they ran with him on MNF had me jumping up from the couch like "oh sh!t, son!"

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That's a bigger loss than Josh Morgan was last year... In case I've never stated this here, I've said for a long time that Josh Morgan going down last year was a huge loss... In my opinion, he was our best WR last year... He definitely would've came in handy down the road...

Kendall's loss could prove to be a much bigger loss if LaMichael James isn't able to step up... Hope he makes a speedy recovery...

>That's a bigger loss than Josh Morgan was last year... In
>case I've never stated this here, I've said for a long time
>that Josh Morgan going down last year was a huge loss... In my
>opinion, he was our best WR last year... He definitely
>would've came in handy down the road...

motherfucking brett swain and joe hastings???? shiiiit, while they had manningham, nicks, and cruz. right, that was ALL the magic of Eli. FOH.

about the Josh Morgan situation...

Like I said, in my mind, he was our number 1 receiver... He got injured at the end of the game we played against the Bucs... The Niners were up by 30 or so points... I was so pissed that he was still in that game... But I think he got injured making a second effort play to get in the end zone... Kinda dumb move on his part with the score where it was, but like I said, I don't think he should've even been in that situation...

>But I think he got
>injured making a second effort play to get in the end zone...
>Kinda dumb move on his part with the score where it was, but
>like I said, I don't think he should've even been in that
>situation...

if my memory serves me it was a long pass and run where Josh got pulled down funny just short of the end zone.
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and he got yanked down from behind

I might be wrong about the second effort to score, but I know that he was trying to score during garbage time and while we were up by almost 40.... He should not have been playing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSxXAP9O9lc

Yeah Kaep's accuracy is what's shocked me the most too... and it looks like Hunter is indeed out for the season.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-offensive-review-Kaepernicks-accur?blockID=806655&feedID=5936

49ers offensive review: Walker, Manningham deliver

November 27, 2012, 9:08 am

Matt Maiocco

Anyone who watched the 49ers the past two training camps and during this year's offseason program had to wonder about Colin Kaepernick's accuracy.
But in his two starts, Kaepernick has shown the ability to put the ball on the money at all route depths. On Sunday in the 49ers' 31-21 victory over the New Orleans Saints, Kaepernick's accuracy even on the difficult throws was very good.

Here's a breakdown of the 49ers' offense from the game:

--Just like in his first start, Kaepernick was sharp from the outset. His first three incomplete passes were on balls that his receivers either got their hands on or just flat-out dropped.

Frank Gore dropped a swing pass at the start of the second quarter after Kaepernick was 4-for-4 for 82 yards in the first quarter. Tight end Vernon Davis dropped a well-thrown pass from Kaepernick 15 yards down the field. And Kaepernick made a confident throw on a third-and-14 in which he rolled left and threw across his body between cornerback Johnny Patrick and safety Roman Harper. Michael Crabtree had an opportunity for a lunging catch that would've picked up the first down but he could not hold on.

--The 49ers did not convert a third-and-4 on the first drive. Receiver Mario Manningham ran his route beyond the sticks, but drifted back and was held to a 3-yard gain on the completion from Kaepernick.

--The 49ers' first timeout of the game appeared to be Gore's fault. He lined up wide to the left, as fullback Bruce Miller and Kaepernick tried to get his attention to switch sides.

After the timeout, Gore made amends for his mistake. This time, he was lined up wide on the other side. With Manningham in the slot against cornerback Jabari Greer, Manningham shook Greer with a whip route and then avoided his tackle. Meanwhile, 33 yards down the field, Gore leveled Harper with a block. The play picked up 40 yards.

--Manningham caught all five passes thrown his way with 46 of his 69 receiving yards coming after the catch, according to Pro Football Focus.

-Kaepernick scored his fourth rushing TD of the season on a 7-yard run after keeping the ball after a fake inside handoff to Kendall Hunter. Then, he picked up blocks from Miller on Harper and Randy Moss on Greer to get into the end zone.
--Miller had another very good game as a run blocker. He is currently PFF's second-highest rated fullback (behind the Raiders' Marcel Reece) and has the highest run-blocking grade among fullbacks.



--Tight end Vernon Davis had one dropped pass. And he had a 14-yard reception nullified on center Jonathan Goodwin's holding call. And that was his day: No catches.

--Kaepernick's mobility allowed him to avoid any sacks. He escaped pressure from defensive end Cameron Jordan, working against right tackle Anthony Davis, to improvise and hit Miller on a 26-yard pass at the end of the first quarter.

--Kaepernick's patience nearly got him hurt at the second quarter. On a bootleg, he slowed to set up a Miller block. However, he did not account for Jordan, who pursued from the backside. Jordan delivered a huge blindside hit on Kaepernick around the right side for a 1-yard gain.

--The biggest play Kaepernick made with his legs was on a third-and-6 against a six-man Saints rush. Gore stepped up to get enough of defensive end Martez Wilson, allowing Kaepernick to scramble up the middle for 15 yards.

--The first non-drop incompletion came when defensive end Turk McBride, working against Vernon Davis, hit Kaepernick's arm while throwing with 4:37 remaining in the first half.

--Kaepernick made his best throw on the first drive of the third quarter when he hit tight end Delanie Walker on a 45-yard pass over the attempted coverage of linebacker Curtis Lofton. Kaepernick hung in and made the throw just as Sedrick Ellis delivered a forearm to his facemask. Referee John Parry missed that call. Left tackle Joe Staley and Gore had good protection on the Saints' outside rush on the play.
--Kaepernick's three worst plays of the game were:

1) He tried to change a protection at the line of scrimmage with :03 left on the play clock and took a delay penalty;

2) After gathering in a low snap from Goodwin, Kaepernick seemed out of rhythm but still tried to squeeze a pass into Kyle Williams at the left sideline late in the second quarter. Patrick Robinson, the underneath man, made the interception;



3) He telegraphed a back-shoulder throw to Moss in the end zone, allowing Malcolm Jenkins to jump the route. If it weren't for Moss' play to break up the pass -- with an obvious offensive pass-interference penalty that was not called -- it would've been a crucial fourth-quarter interception.
--Walker had his best game of the season with three catches for 81 yards. His 25-yard reception in the third quarter came at a price, though. Safety Isa Abdul-Quddus hit Walker hard on the right hip, but Walker held onto the ball. Walker stayed in the game for a while but after the first play of the next series, the injury forced him out of the game.

--Four plays after he took the hit from Abdul-Quddus, Walker and Miller sealed the edge on a Gore run play that went for 14 yards. Staley and Goodwin got down field to make blocks on a Gore 10-yard gain just a couple snaps later.

--Staley and Mike Iupati both played solid games, according to the PFF's rating system. Anthony Davis gave up four quarterback hurries. There were only two other quarterback disruptions: One from Iupati and one from Alex Boone.

Offensive play time
Includes plays nullified by penalty
60 (100 percent) -- LT Joe Staley, RG Alex Boone, RT Anthony Davis, LG Mike Iupati, C Jonathan Goodwin, TE Vernon Davis, QB Colin Kaepernick
48 (80%) -- RB Frank Gore
37 (62%) -- FB Bruce Miller
35 (58%) -- WR Michael Crabtree
31 (52%) -- TE Delanie Walker
25 (42%) -- WR Randy Moss
24 (40%) -- WR Mario Manningham
10 (17%) -- WR Kyle Williams
8 (13%) -- RB Kendall Hunter
7 (12%) -- OL Daniel Kilgore
6 (10%) -- OL Leonard Davis
5 (8%) -- TE Garrett Celek
2 (3%) -- RB Anthony Dixon, RB Brandon Jacobs
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It looks like Kendall Hunter tore his achilles in the game on Sunday. We'll see what the 49ers think about their draft picks with the injuries to KW and Hunter. This should create some opportunities for Jenkins and James.

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49ers on verge of a five-year contract extension with LB NaVorro Bowman that will tie him to SF through the 2018. Deal done within 24 hours.
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Yeah dude can lay the hammer but I think dude gets way too emotional and at times completely loses his head on the field. I'd just be real uneasy about making a deal that could possibly tie the 9ers hands when it comes time to lock up another player(s)
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Priority over Goldson, but he is a baller.

Funny thing is, I have a feeling that he's going to take a nice pay day elsewhere

>Yeah dude can lay the hammer but I think dude gets way too
>emotional and at times completely loses his head on the field.

kinda like when he tried to KO a sliding bradford on sunday during the ram's last drive in regulation and got the roughness foul.

basically was a 25-yard play that they absolutely couldn't afford to allow.

Goldson was already committed. And he didn't even hit him in the head, which you'd think would be a pre-requisite for a helmet to helmet call.

Said it earlier in this post (perhaps multiple times): keeping this defensive unit together trumps everything for me. We've got a chance to be one of the lasting all-time greats when it comes to D. Let's lock down these guys while they're in their prime for as long as we can.

>Said it earlier in this post (perhaps multiple times):
>keeping this defensive unit together trumps everything for me.
>We've got a chance to be one of the lasting all-time greats
>when it comes to D. Let's lock down these guys while they're
>in their prime for as long as we can.

and with harbaugh, we can have an offense that helps us accomplish what the ravens were supposed to do with their defense during the 2000s.

Glad we're done with this shit...

LET'S GO! LET'S GO! LET's GO!

GO TO ST. LOUIS AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE RAMS!

...the "hot hand." I imagine he's gonna get sick of going through this drill every week (it will be a bigger circus if Kaep has a bad game or actually loses) but hey, it's a situation he created.

>(it will be a bigger circus if
>Kaep has a bad game or actually loses) but hey, it's a
>situation he created.

Which will eventually happen. I do think Harbaugh has made up his mind, barring injury, for the long haul. But this will be the test of the "hot hand" excuse.

Alex has got to be pissed right now, but I'm not sure he sacrificed much re-signing with this team. Would he be starting in Miami right now? I suspect he'd be backing up/mentoring Tannehill.

>>(it will be a bigger circus if
>>Kaep has a bad game or actually loses) but hey, it's a
>>situation he created.
>
>Which will eventually happen. I do think Harbaugh has made up
>his mind, barring injury, for the long haul. But this will be
>the test of the "hot hand" excuse.
>
>Alex has got to be pissed right now, but I'm not sure he
>sacrificed much re-signing with this team. Would he be
>starting in Miami right now? I suspect he'd be backing
>up/mentoring Tannehill.

I think several teams will be taking a look at him in the offseason, and we can execute a trade for some value.

If that's the case, yeah, he's gotta go. And he'll deserve a shot to start for somebody (hopefully not in our division).

I wonder how much influence Baalke had on this decision. "Hey Jim, go with Kaep and we get to keep Goldson, Sopoaga, and Delanie."

>...the "hot hand." I imagine he's gonna get sick of going
>through this drill every week (it will be a bigger circus if
>Kaep has a bad game or actually loses) but hey, it's a
>situation he created.


True. This is what leads me to believe he actually already made a decision

>...the "hot hand." I imagine he's gonna get sick of going
>through this drill every week (it will be a bigger circus if
>Kaep has a bad game or actually loses) but hey, it's a
>situation he created.

These same media jackoffs that were calling for Alex Smith's head will be blaming Harbaugh for derailing the teams super bowl run.

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Say what you want about dude but don't ever say he's not a class act

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Alex Smith: 'It sucks, I don't know what else to say'

November 29, 2012, 12:36 pm

Matt Maiocco

SANTA CLARA -- Quarterback Alex Smith spoke Thursday to the media for the first time since he received word from 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh that Colin Kaepernick is the team's starting quarterback.

Smith was playing the best football of his eight-year career before exiting the 49ers’ Nov. 11 game with a concussion.

In his previous eight quarters of play, Smith completed 32 of 35 passes for 385 yards with five touchdowns and one interception. He was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week in his final full game, a 24-3 win over the Arizona Cardinals on Oct. 29.



Kaepernick played well in back-to-back 49ers victories against the Chicago Bears and New Orleans. Harbaugh announced Kaepernick as the team’s starter on Wednesday.

"I mean, it sucks," Smith said. "I don't know what else to say."

Did Jim tell the two of you together?
"Yes."

Were you prepared for it?
"Yeah. I mean, for sure. I knew based off of the last couple weeks, the way things had gone, didn't know what was going to happen but I knew it was a possibility."

Is there anything you can say as far as stating your case?
"Well, I mean, I don't think talk is the place to do it. You state your case with your play, and I felt I did that. I feel like the only thing I did to lose my job was get a concussion."

Do you think this scenario would've played out two years ago, just given the attention concussions have gotten?
"I don't know. Ultimately, the doctors and me had to make that decision. I think it's a good thing that more and more is coming out about it (concussions). I don't think that's a bad thing."

You don't regret telling them you had the symptoms?
"No, I'm not looking back on that -- no, no."

Do you think this will have a stifling effect on other players coming forward?
"I don't know. It's a good question. I'm not sure. I mean, that's kind of the deal with all injuries. The thing with the concussions and the brain, I think we're going to be finding out a lot more in the years to come."

You've been through so many ups and downs in your career, how does this compare to some of the other bad moments?
"Yeah, those are all in the past. For this one, you're in it right now. This is such a great team, such a great group of guys in this locker room. There's something special going on. Yeah, it's a tough pill to swallow, for sure."

Is there any resentment to coach for making that decision?

"No resentment. No, I don't get make those decisions. That's what he gets paid to do. He's the head coach. I play football. That's what I'm going to continue to do. Continue to get ready and make the most of my next opportunity."

Are you believer in the adage that you don't lose your starting job through an injury?
"That's not something I really think about. This game is about opportunities and making the most of them, for each and every one of us and as a team, as a whole. No."

Do you think you'll be given another opportunity this year?
"I have no ideal. All I can do is just prepare and be ready."

Does it make it easier or more difficult to think that the last full game you played, you were NFC Offensive Player of the Week?
"Yeah, it's tough. That's why I said you kind of state your case with your play, and I felt like I'd done that. So in that sense, it is tough."

In the past, there have been other coaches who've said, 'There's a better quarterback for the job.' The fact that's Harbaugh, and you respect his quarterback evaluation so much, does it sting even more because he's saying, 'There's another quarterback we think is better'?
"I don't know about that. It stings the most because I really feel like there's something special going on here. You sacrifice and you invest so much time. Like I said, I really feel like I hadn't done anything but get a concussion to really to facilitate this. I feel like I was playing good football."



Some people want to see you angry on the sideline. Obviously, the cameras are on you the whole time...
"Like I said, you're in the middle of it right now. Just found out a couple of days ago. So, I mean, it sucks, to be honest."

Did you get an explanation about this?
"Oh, yeah. We sat down in there and talked. It wasn't just a one-sentence thing. For sure. He explained where he was coming from and felt like it was a difficult situation but he wanted to go in this direction."
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Saw this on Turning Point last night... shows Randy ain't nearly the malcontent the media wanted him to be. Click the link for audio.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Moss-expresses-pride-in-Kaepernicks-play?blockID=807511&feedID=5936

Moss expresses pride in Kaepernick's play

Matt Maiocco

Programming note: You can catch the re-broadcast of 'NFL Turning Point' tonight at 9 p.m. PT and again on Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6 p.m. PT on the NBC Sports Network

Receiver Randy Moss was held without a reception in Colin Kaepernick's second start.
Not only that, but the one pass Kaepernick intended for the 14-year veteran required him to turn into a defender. Moss grabbed New Orleans Saints safety Malcolm Jenkins to prevent a potential tide-changing interception in the end zone. (No penalty for offensive pass interference was called on the play.)


"NFL Turning Point," which aired Wednesday night on NBC Sports Network, captured a revealing sideline interaction between Moss and Kaepernick.
It was late in the game, and the 49ers had the victory in hand. Kaepernick was upset he did not deliver the touchdown pass to Moss. In turn, Moss had nothing but encouraging words for Kaepernick.

Moss: "It's all good, bro. You live and you learn, man. Hey, man, I'm proud of you, dog."

Kaepernick: "Man, I'm mad. I'm trying to get it in the end zone. (Inaudible.)"

Moss: "Ain't nothing to be mad about. Hey, you've been waiting on your chance to shine, and you shined, dog. . . Way to go! (Moss hits Kaepernick in the chest.) Proud! Man, smile! I'm talkin' about smile, bro. You had a heck of a game, man."

Others have talked about Moss' impact on his teammates behind the scenes. This provided a glimpse into the rapport he has developed with Kaepernick.


This kind of Moss-Kaepernick dialogue is probably a lot different than what would've been seen from any sideline interaction involving Moss and veteran Alex Smith. Moss is shown here as a mentor. He can have a greater influence on Kaepernick at this stage of their careers.

This is not to suggest Moss -- or anyone else -- chose sides in the quarterback debate. I do know there are a lot of 49ers who feel badly for Smith because he is no longer the starter. Tight end Delanie Walker expressed surprise because he -- and many others -- felt as if Smith did nothing to lose the job.

However, there also is a majority feeling inside the locker room of optimism based on what everyone has seen thus far from Kaepernick. That enthusiasm was easy to detect in Moss' voice.




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All the media and non-Niner fans keep waiting for him to blow up because he hasn't been getting the ball enough and shit... But he just keeps doing him...

I was at the Thursday night game a few weeks back and I saw Moss on the sidelines during a 3rd down play (pretty sure Niners were near red zone territory) and he was hyping up the crowd...

Now, people wouldn't expect that from the old Randy Moss, but I think he understands his role on this team...

I've read numerous reports about how great his relationship with Crabtree has been, even before the season started...

Happy to see him hyping up Kap like that... That had to be a surreal moment for Kap...

Loved seeing Jacobs come in on 3rd and short...

Not having Hunter hurt us today... Maybe next week we'll see LaMichael James...

LR16

you going?

Hitting up the Arizona game though, for sure...

Have fun man!

would have liked to have said hello and put a face to the name

maybe next year
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i splurge and only do one game a year nowadays and take family. sat dead on the 50 on sunday.

not sure what is though, but these last two games (dallas last year) i've attended have had a higher-than-average element of drunk douchebags in the big $$$ seats. me and my momz were just waiting for someone to spill beer on us from behind.

the dolphin fans were actually pretty chill and well-behaved.

don't get me wrong, the view is incredible, but i might go back to my roots when i had season tickets and do seats above the south end zone, like UB 9 or 11, for one of the marquee games.

I think they feel they gotta be as dumb and ignorant as Raider fans...


It's actually pretty sad...


I think there were over 60 arrests at the Seahawks game earlier this year... or maybe that was the Lions game... Either way, the fans have really gotten obnoxious...

I'm really wondering what the fan base will look like in Santa Clara...

Tanne bout to get killed back there...Aldon bout to have 10 sacks minimum.

we had a chance to win this game with Smith in but now that Kaep is playing we'll probably lose...might even get blown out cuz we wont be able to run the ball and rogers, brown, and culliver will have no problem defending hartline, bess and anthony fasano lol.

>Tanne bout to get killed back there...Aldon bout to have 10
>sacks minimum.
>
>we had a chance to win this game with Smith in but now that
>Kaep is playing we'll probably lose...might even get blown out
>cuz we wont be able to run the ball and rogers, brown, and
>culliver will have no problem defending hartline, bess and
>anthony fasano lol.

6th in opponents completion percentage and 7th in 3rd down %. i mean shit Alex has struggled against worse defenses, like the Giants and Vikings.

Like when he dismantled Arizona which is 3rd in completion percentage.

>Like when he dismantled Arizona which is 3rd in completion
>percentage.

but in actuality all he basically did was throw short passes that his WRs took and ran away with for long gains. I would say he dominated the game against Buffalo.

either way, whether it's Kaep or Smith we'd probably lose regardless, just saying i think our D can defend Smith better than Kaep.

I made the mistake of replying, it's pretty obvious you lack the intelligence to form a real opinion.

we all watched that game, it was on monday night for the world to see...nothing i said in my post was inaccurate.

It's pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to football. Even acknowledging you is an L. That was my mistake.

Lack of execution on offense was particularly glaring. Some of due to good defense (Gore didn't do much after that first half), some due to extremely poor execution (not scoring after a 14 yard punt, the safety, that godforesaken play to Ginn). Just a really, really stupid.

It'll be Kaep next week, because Harbaugh isn't going to back down. But if he gets bugged with questions all week about it, hey, it's a situation that he created.

Need that confidence up for when we go into New England...

What do you think about Jenkins not getting any playing time and James not even dressing??

I really think we need to get James going because he's similar to Hunter... I think the Niners are gonna need him down the road...

>Need that confidence up for when we go into New England...
this is the game that scares me for Kaep. Belichick getting in the heads of young QBs

>What do you think about Jenkins not getting any playing time
>and James not even dressing??
I liked seeing Jacobs get some run, but the change of pace was definitely needed. Not bothered about Jenkins, it's not like the offense was ever really vertical.

>I really think we need to get James going because he's similar
>to Hunter... I think the Niners are gonna need him down the
>road...
Agreed.

Bad calls, bad breaks, bad coaching and the worst part... the team killed themselves

It would have been fitting to have had this game end in a tie... last time the 9ers were lucky to gotten a tie and this time it was the 9ers game to lose and they just gave it away. I don't even want to talk about this anymore right now I'm so disgusted.
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>It'll be Kaep next week, because Harbaugh isn't going to back
>down. But if he gets bugged with questions all week about it,
>hey, it's a situation that he created.

it's obviously not the "hot hand" reason anymore. we all know by now that Harbaugh loves to be right and odds are that he wants to prove his decision with starting Kap was/is the right choice.

i just don't see Alex tying and losing these games to the Rams. read in the game post that Alex was getting beat up in the first game? other than his patented idiotic head dive into a tackle, i didn't see much - sounded more like a Rams fan trying to give his team more credit than they deserve.

but i digress. if we're riding Kap all the way, then so be it. like a lot of us have said: it's Super Bowl or bust. inexperience is no excuse.

our defense just got destroyed that 1st Quarter. control of the game shifted back to us in the 2nd once they started to let Alex throw.

though if he goes back to smith, folks are gonna jump all over his integrity.

harbaugh's got too much pride (sometimes bordering on assholish) to let that happen.

now we gotta make the best of it.

improvise.

adapt to the environment.

darwin.

shit happens.

i ching.

whatever man, we gotta roll with it.

>now we gotta make the best of it.
>
>improvise.
>
>adapt to the environment.
>
>darwin.
>
>shit happens.
>
>i ching.
>
>whatever man, we gotta roll with it.


HaHaHa... I love that movie...

If you believe that Colin Kaepernick should start, and you are willing to debate/articulate your belief, then you are a troll?

Because believing that Colin Kaepernick should start and wanting the team to win couldn't possibly go hand in hand.

hahaha pretentious ass, holier than thou fans.

We are all 49er fans. I have been a 49er fan my entire life. Having an opinion difference on the team's stretegy does not make anyone more or less of a fan than you. You may think it makes you a more intelligent fan, but all we'll ever have is speculation on that front (Player A woulda done it like this. Player B never would have made that play etc.)

At the end of the day, we win and lose together. Im pissed about losses and joyful when we win. Just like everybody else.

Clean that shit up, Niner Nation.

And still think starting Kaep is the right move
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Thats too rational for what goes on here lately

you're trolling...

If you can't say that, then there really is no sense in discussing anything with you...

You should be able to understand Niner fans frustration yesterday... We were controlling the game and blew it in the end... Kap was a big part of that...


And for the record, I still think Kap should start... I said as soon as they chose him for the Saints game, there was no turning back... Can't flip flop our quarterbacks week by week... Every quarterback has bad games...

Why can't you admit that along with the bad plays, he on two different occasions, put us in a position to ice the game and another player on the team blew it?

Kap fucked up
Walker fucked up
Goldson fucked up
Akers fucked up

That's why its called a team loss.

yet you're so quick to lay blame when it serves your agenda.

Posts 224, 231 and 234 in this very thread.

he was the sole reason we lost the game.

What are you trying to say exactly?

I already told you that...

Too many what ifs...

but he did play his part...

and he did have a bad game...



would you have this hard of time saying Alex had a bad game??

his first two games, but bad in itself...I don't think so.

I don't have a problem saying anyone had a bad game if I think they actually had a bad game.

21/32 208 0-0 is pretty pedestrian... but when you factor in he drifted back almost 20 yards into his own end zone which lead to a safety, pitched the ball over Ginn's head (an awful call btw) for a Ram TD, and then ran out of bounds allowing the Rams to hang on to their final timeout (the time out they would use to set up the tying FG) it's hard not to call it a bad game. Did he make some plays too? Yes but the truth is had he played better this game wouldn't have been close.

But really his "one read then run" act is only going to play for so long... I really hope this all works out.
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Especially this part:

>I really hope this all works out.

Man, listen, if we win the Superbowl this year, then none of this other shit matters. If the season finishes with Harbaugh and Kaep or Smith or Scott Tolzien or Josh fucking Johnson holding the Lomabardi Trophy over their heads, then I gives not two fucks about any of this and I'm buying the beers for everyone. That's a promise. But if we don't deliver?... All I'll say is that those type of "What ifs?" can end up fucking up a team's psyche for years. I'd like to believe that we're built stronger than that, but nothing in this league is ever guaranteed.

HOw you guys can sit here and try and justify this decision is beyond me. A QB that was playing as well as Alex Smith deserved to finish out the year.....PERIOD.

If you wanna go to Kaepernick......then fine....but do that shit next season and either let Smith walk or have an open competition in camp. To just bench him if really shortsighted......and Harbaugh is trying to pass it off as the opposite.

What people don't realize is all that shit that Smith went through is VALUABLE. The guys is a good QB and once he got a good coaching staff and good players around him it showed. I think he would have continued to build on that.

Enjoy your playoff loss with Kaepernick.

But I also see why Harbaugh made the change... but no doubt it's damn risky

Truth be told the best solution would be to use both guys... I know that would come with it's own risks but I see a lot of upside there are well. Smith does what Kaep doesn't do well and vise versa. So you start Alex and if it looks like the game is going the direction of needing more big plays you bring Kaep. It's not that Alex can't lead comebacks because he has, more than a few. But one just needs to look no further than the Giant game this year to see Alex is much more comfortable when he can play his game... I say let him and let Kaep play his. Of course I think there's a better chance at seeing Willis line up at fullback but I do think there's merit to the idea.
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About having a "closer" QB...

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43466/fourth-and-short-niners-could-use-a-closer-qb

For the record, I don't think it will work, but interesting nonetheless.

every mistake the other guy made would be held up against the change that was or wasn't made... that's where the distraction part would come in. I think the players themselves would adapt rather quickly... doesn't mean they'd like it but no reason something like that couldn't work outside talking heads and no-life-having rabid fans.
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.

i don't trust Kaep enough to not make the mistakes that will cost us the game. I would really like to go back to Alex, but its not happening and i am getting more and more nervous about this run.

Harbaugh admits bad play call on zone-read option pitch. Also, players said Rams were in perfect defense for everything 49ers had called.

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoCSN) December 2, 2012

http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/Press_Pass_Colin_Kaepernick/1040f931-f6de-4d35-b570-fd0d554602c8

>Also, players said Rams were in perfect defense for everything
>49ers had called.

So if you're not checking out of a play that's running into the D's teeth that's on your QB... of course i don't expect Kaep to be as good at this as a vet like Alex but that is one of Smith's strong suits.

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The coaches are calling plays before the defense comes to the line... it still comes back to the QB making the right call at the line.

Look I'm not trying to shit on Kaep but he is a young QB... and this is an area where most young QBs are going to struggle. When the switch was made, reading defenses and decision making were the two areas some of us were most concerned about... it's not really a surprise we're having this conversation now.
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but this article is a great embodiment of my concerns with Harbaugh making the move...


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1430590-jim-harbaugh-sends-a-mixed-message-by-sticking-with-kaepernick-at-qb?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers

Its a foregone conclusion that if Kaep starts we have no shot at winning it all. Beamer, go head and make that 49ers offseason post

It's not a forgone conclusion that if Kap plays, the Niners lose...

But it is a forgone conclusion, now, that if the Niners don't win the super bowl, no matter who plays, Harbough will be blamed and this QB controversy will be the main thing highlighted... Harbough created it and there is no going back at this point...

"By deciding to stick with Kaepernick instead of a healthy Smith down the stretch run, Harbaugh is telling the world he wants to have his cake and eat it too. He's allowing his ego to run rampant, and he's placing it above winning."

Really? This sound like some pussy ass shit you wrote.

"Heck, while you're at it, start Ricky Jean Francois over Isaac Sopoaga at nose tackle and give rookie safety Trenton Robinson some snaps over Whitner."

hahahahaha

You have your Kap agenda...

Pretty much everyone else here has their Niner agenda...


And btw, I wish I had written this piece... Notice all the Niner fans agreeing...

ya bish.

but saying he's better right now is still debatable
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what I am trying to illustrate to this sucka is

1) I ride for Kap because I think Kap is the better QB

2) I want the better QB to play

3) Because I think the better QB gives us a better chance of winning

It all comes down to the team winning.

It's not a Kap agenda, its a niner agenda.

But we need to make sure we're separating what we think will happen with what is actually happening on the field. As I've said, I'm in the start Kap camp too but I'm not nearly as confident when it comes to the question of who gives us the best chance to win a super bowl this year.
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lets not pretend like a week 13 game against a non playoff team is as indicative to Kaep's future play as the two games before it.

we will see how it plays out.

We go on to win the game, or three out of the next four, or four out of the next four, there will be a lot fewer articles like that, and more about how Harbaugh's have paid off. And if we win the Superbowl, no one is going to care about a Week 13 loss to a bad team and all the hand-wringing the came after it.

That said, I agree with just about all of the article, but if Harbaugh stays the course and we win it all, then what the fuck do I care about how we got there?

>We go on to win the game, or three out of the next four, or
>four out of the next four, there will be a lot fewer articles
>like that, and more about how Harbaugh's have paid off. And if
>we win the Superbowl, no one is going to care about a Week 13
>loss to a bad team and all the hand-wringing the came after
>it.
>
>That said, I agree with just about all of the article, but if
>Harbaugh stays the course and we win it all, then what the
>fuck do I care about how we got there?

>We go on to win the game, or three out of the next four, or
>four out of the next four, there will be a lot fewer articles
>like that, and more about how Harbaugh's have paid off.
i wasn't really searching for this article, just happened to be there and captured my exact sentiments BEFORE we got to the Rams game. I don't pile on after the fact.

>And if
>we win the Superbowl, no one is going to care about a Week 13
>loss to a bad team and all the hand-wringing the came after
>it.
agreed.


>That said, I agree with just about all of the article, but if
>Harbaugh stays the course and we win it all, then what the
>fuck do I care about how we got there?
i'm with you, it's the if we DON'T win it all that has be less than comforted presently.

Wow how bad do those Sanchez and Kolb contracts look now?

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Smith-could-be-attractive-trade-option-f?blockID=809779&feedID=5936

Smith could be attractive trade option for QB-needy team

December 4, 2012, 10:27 am

There have been a couple times during Alex Smith's career that it was difficult to envision him returning to play the following season for the 49ers.

The first time was after the 2008 season. Smith experienced shoulder injuries that wiped out most of 2007 and all of 2008. However, Smith accepted a huge pay cut to remain with the 49ers in 2009.

The second time Smith appeared destined to leave the 49ers was following the 2010 season. He was clearly ready for a new chapter in his life. But, then, Jim Harbaugh came along and an agreement was reached. Both sides came to the conclusion that it made sense for Smith to remain with the 49ers on a one-year deal.

(Last offseason, there was always the sense Smith would return as a free agent even throughout the whole Peyton Manning saga.)

But now that Harbaugh has made the move to go with second-year quarterback Colin Kaepernick as the 49ers' starter, it seems Smith is back in that old familiar position of uncertainty.

Smith signed a three-year, $24 million contract with the 49ers in the offseason. Because that contract is so reasonable, it gives the 49ers some options.

If Smith is on the 49ers' roster on April 1, 2013, his entire $7.5 million base salary becomes fully guaranteed.

Obviously, a $7.5 million salary for a backup quarterback does not seem realistic when the presumptive starter, Kaepernick, is scheduled to make $740,000 in base pay.

If the 49ers were to get rid of Smith's base salary, they could then use that money to tender safety Dashon Goldson at the franchise tag of $7.45 million.

Smith is the 20th-highest-paid quarterback in the league (see table below), which could make him an attractive option for some quarterback-needy team to acquire in a trade -- probably for a 2014 draft pick.

Smith is scheduled for a base salary of $7.5 million in both 2013 and 2014.

If the 49ers simply released Smith before April 1, they would still owe him $1 million. So it would help the 49ers on the salary cap, as well as enable the organization to accumulate a future draft pick, if they could get something for Smith via an offseason trade.

Here's how Smith's average salary per season ranks among other quarterbacks in the NFL (with years the deals span):

Average QB salaries per year
1. Drew Brees $20 million (2012-2016)
2. Peyton Manning $19.2 million (2012-'16)
3. Tom Brady $18 million (2010-'14)
4. Eli Manning $16.25 (2009-'15)
5. Michael Vick $16 million (2011-'16)
6. Matt Schaub $15.5 million (2012-'16)
7. Philip Rivers $15.3 million (2009-'15)
8. Jay Cutler $14.67 (2009-'13)
9. Ben Roethlisberger $14.67 million (2011-'15)
10. Mark Sanchez $13.49 (2012-'16)
11. Sam Bradford $13 million (2012-'15)
12. Aaron Rodgers $12.7 million (2008-'14)
13. Kevin Kolb $12.42 million (2011-'16)
14. Matthew Stafford $12.25 million (2012-'15)
15. Tony Romo $11.25 million (2011-'16)
16. Matt Ryan $11.25 million (2008-'13)
17. Carson Palmer $10.75 (2012-'16)
18. Ryan Fitzpatrick $9.83 million (2011-'17)
19. Matt Cassel $9.67 million (2009-'14)
20. Alex Smith $8 million (2012-'14)
21. Matt Hasselbeck $6.67 million (2011-'13)
22. Matt Flynn $6.5 million (2012-'14)
23. Andrew Luck $5.53 million (2012-2015)
24. Cam Newton $5.5 million (2011-'14)
25. Robert Griffin $5.28 million (2012-'15)
26. Josh Freeman $5.24 million (2009-'13)
27. Joe Flacco $4.76 million (2008-'12)

Also
45. Colin Kaepernick $1.28 million (2011-'14)

(NFL Players Association sources)
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>Wow how bad do those Sanchez and Kolb contracts look now?

those shit were bad REGARDLESS of anything Alex related. Especially Kolb. At least Sanchez had some success.

>http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Smith-could-be-attractive-trade-option-f?blockID=809779&feedID=5936
>
>Smith could be attractive trade option for QB-needy team
>
>December 4, 2012, 10:27 am
>
>There have been a couple times during Alex Smith's career that
>it was difficult to envision him returning to play the
>following season for the 49ers.
>
>The first time was after the 2008 season. Smith experienced
>shoulder injuries that wiped out most of 2007 and all of 2008.
>However, Smith accepted a huge pay cut to remain with the
>49ers in 2009
BUT...BUT...BUT....HE BEEN SHITTY FOR SEVEN FULL YEARS!!! PLEAS COPPED.


>
>The second time Smith appeared destined to leave the 49ers was
>following the 2010 season. He was clearly ready for a new
>chapter in his life. But, then, Jim Harbaugh came along and an
>agreement was reached. Both sides came to the conclusion that
>it made sense for Smith to remain with the 49ers on a one-year
>deal.
>
>(Last offseason, there was always the sense Smith would return
>as a free agent even throughout the whole Peyton Manning
>saga.)
>
>But now that Harbaugh has made the move to go with second-year
>quarterback Colin Kaepernick as the 49ers' starter, it seems
>Smith is back in that old familiar position of uncertainty.
Yeah, but he's got OPTIONS. For all those that said last year was a "fluke" he came back even better.

>Smith signed a three-year, $24 million contract with the 49ers
>in the offseason. Because that contract is so reasonable, it
>gives the 49ers some options.
>
>If Smith is on the 49ers' roster on April 1, 2013, his entire
>$7.5 million base salary becomes fully guaranteed.
>
>Obviously, a $7.5 million salary for a backup quarterback does
>not seem realistic when the presumptive starter, Kaepernick,
>is scheduled to make $740,000 in base pay.
>
>If the 49ers were to get rid of Smith's base salary, they
>could then use that money to tender safety Dashon Goldson at
>the franchise tag of $7.45 million.
wouldn't mind this at all. I know you're so-so on Goldson, but I'll take his warts. He's a difference maker back there.

>
>Smith is the 20th-highest-paid quarterback in the league (see
>table below), which could make him an attractive option for
>some quarterback-needy team to acquire in a trade -- probably
>for a 2014 draft pick.
>
>Smith is scheduled for a base salary of $7.5 million in both
>2013 and 2014.
>
>If the 49ers simply released Smith before April 1, they would
>still owe him $1 million. So it would help the 49ers on the
>salary cap, as well as enable the organization to accumulate a
>future draft pick, if they could get something for Smith via
>an offseason trade.
>
>Here's how Smith's average salary per season ranks among other
>quarterbacks in the NFL (with years the deals span):
>
>Average QB salaries per year
>1. Drew Brees $20 million (2012-2016)
>2. Peyton Manning $19.2 million (2012-'16)
>3. Tom Brady $18 million (2010-'14)
>4. Eli Manning $16.25 (2009-'15)
>5. Michael Vick $16 million (2011-'16)
>6. Matt Schaub $15.5 million (2012-'16)
>7. Philip Rivers $15.3 million (2009-'15)
>8. Jay Cutler $14.67 (2009-'13)
>9. Ben Roethlisberger $14.67 million (2011-'15)
>10. Mark Sanchez $13.49 (2012-'16)
>11. Sam Bradford $13 million (2012-'15)
>12. Aaron Rodgers $12.7 million (2008-'14)
>13. Kevin Kolb $12.42 million (2011-'16)
>14. Matthew Stafford $12.25 million (2012-'15)
>15. Tony Romo $11.25 million (2011-'16)
>16. Matt Ryan $11.25 million (2008-'13)
>17. Carson Palmer $10.75 (2012-'16)
>18. Ryan Fitzpatrick $9.83 million (2011-'17)
>19. Matt Cassel $9.67 million (2009-'14)
>20. Alex Smith $8 million (2012-'14)
>21. Matt Hasselbeck $6.67 million (2011-'13)
>22. Matt Flynn $6.5 million (2012-'14)
>23. Andrew Luck $5.53 million (2012-2015)
>24. Cam Newton $5.5 million (2011-'14)
>25. Robert Griffin $5.28 million (2012-'15)
>26. Josh Freeman $5.24 million (2009-'13)
>27. Joe Flacco $4.76 million (2008-'12)
>
>Also
>45. Colin Kaepernick $1.28 million (2011-'14)
>
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Goldson is a hammer but he is also a ball hawk. Usually, when you can say those two things about one player, you are talking about the elites.

As I said last week, Goldson is an enforcer no doubt but dude hurts the team at times too. Look no further than that dumb 4th Q hit on Bradford as he was sliding feet first... one could argue that lost them the game. Also just from Sunday he made a half ass attempt on Jackson on a key third down... another time he stood there ripping at the ball while Richardson picked up another 5-7 yards.

Honestly I don't think he's a very heady player and can let his emotions be used against him.

I'm not against keeping him but not for the type of money he's looking for. I'm good with drafting another young safety or plucking someone else through free agency
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>As I said last week, Goldson is an enforcer no doubt but dude
>hurts the team at times too. Look no further than that dumb
>4th Q hit on Bradford as he was sliding feet first...
bradford slid basically after dashaun had committed, PLUS he actually turned away from him so as not to drive his helmet into him. rewatch it. it was a BULLSHIT call.

>one
>could argue that lost them the game. Also just from Sunday he
>made a half ass attempt on Jackson on a key third down...
>another time he stood there ripping at the ball while
>Richardson picked up another 5-7 yards.
>
>Honestly I don't think he's a very heady player and can let
>his emotions be used against him.
>
>I'm not against keeping him but not for the type of money he's
>looking for. I'm good with drafting another young safety or
>plucking someone else through free agency
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but bottom line is Goldson was loading up in a situation where it did not call for a lick like that. It's Sam Bradford not Stephen Jackson... you know damn well if it even looks close to excessive it's getting called there. Can't have shit like that in the final minute of a game.
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Maiocco's breakdown

--Safety Dashon Goldson did not have a strong game, as he overran a couple of would-be tackles. He took a bad angle and allowed Tannehill to get past him for a 20-yard scramble in the fourth quarter. He also got flattened by center Mike Pouncey on a 9-yard gain by Reggie Bush. Goldson's best play was in coverage against Bush on a deep right along the left sideline.


Even on the Bush play dude never got his head around to see where the ball was... also left out was the fumble where Goldson tried to pick it up and run with it in a crowd instead of just falling on the ball


I'm telling y'all, don't get blinded by this cat's hitting ability... he's not a premier safety and the 9ers don't need to pay him like one.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87d2duPjmjc&feature=youtu.be&t=15m15s

sounds like he could use his own advice? lol

what a cheese ball lol
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http://i.imgur.com/HmkYj.jpg

I obviously pay attention to way too much "outside" shit regarding the team, but this shit is just wrong...


Some writer, I think for Yahoo! interviewed Kap's birth mom and she talked about how she wants to meet him and he doesn't want to meet her... Kinda/almost felt bad for her reading the article... Then I saw they posted her twitter handle in it... I checked her shit out (like I said, I dig too deep on this shit) and she hits this dude up all the time on here... He doesn't respond (they talked about that in the article)...

This is what gets me irritated though.... Fuckin fans hit Kap up telling him he needs to forgive her and how they wish they could meet their birth mother... Like what the fuck?? You serious?? If dude don't want to meet her, he don't want to meet her...

STAY OFF THE TWITTER MACHINE KAP!

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Lots of good can be done with that. This article hits our main areas of need IMO

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1433346-49ers-draft-board-10-players-san-francisco-must-have-their-eyes-on-in-bowl-game

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d96tb?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers


"Coach Harbaugh is going to make the decisions on the field," York said. "And if you want your owner and CEO to make your calls on the field, then you're probably cheering for the wrong team.

He looked really good today

The type of game that can get away from teams, but we didn't beat ourselves and stuck to a solid ground attack.

Kaep and Randy were robbed of one deep TD by a PI that was never called. Although you can really see that age has indeed caught up to Randy. In years past, he would have blown by his man and not even had him close enough to interfere with.

LaMichael looks faster than Kendall, I like him on KR too.

Crabs as usual doing his YAC thing. He's only getting recognition because the team is good now but he's ALWAYS made that first guy miss, since he came into the league.

Would have liked to see some more vertical action and more use of VD. Next week they're going to have let it fly to keep pace with Tom and Co.

Yeah, yeah, I know, Miami has a tough defense, but it didn't feel like we were executing nearly as well as we should, especially on the offensive side. Gore and James both ended up looking great, but that run game fell pretty flat in the first half. Kaep made a couple really good plays, luke the TD run to seal it, and should have had the bomb to Randy, but otherwise had a pretty pedestrian game. We needed a major fuck-up by Thigpen to really take control. Also, the defense was in general was solid, but it still felt like we weren't stop them like he should have been. And it was another game of blowing time-outs to prevent delay of game violations and questionable challenges.

Iono, I'm feeling a little uneasy here. If we're not executing against the bad teams, then it's sorta tough staying optimistic with two road games against two good teams. Hopefully we can pull it together.

n/m

Gore and James were the only 2 I was really impressed with... Had Moss not been interfered with on the deep ball, sure would've made Kap's day look more impressive... But overall, he had mediocre game (sans the 50 yard TD)...

Defense, once again was solid...

As long as the Niners don't turn the ball over, I don't see them losing... Hopefully we can contain Brady... Glad the Pats have a short week...


And how fuckin big is the Touchception game between the Pack and Seahawks, now.... Fuckin bullshit...

Can't say I'm all that unhappy... never liked that dude

49ers suspend Jacobs for final three games

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/49ers-suspend-jacobs-final-three-games

December 10, 2012, 2:00 pm

SANTA CLARA -- The 49ers on Monday suspended running back Brandon Jacobs for the final three games of the regular season, the team announced.

The move prevents Jacobs from going to another team to help them in the final weeks of the regular season and, potentially, the playoffs.

In the end, Jacobs' tenure with the 49ers will likely be remembered more for tweets and Instagram photos than yards and touchdowns.

Several days after Jacobs complained to his followers about his playing time -- or lack thereof -- the 49ers suspended Jacobs for the remainder of the regular season.

Jacobs was active for just three games, and his season stat line consisted of five rushing attempts for 7 yards. He was not active Sunday in the 49ers' 27-13 victory over the Miami Dolphins, as LaMichael James and Anthony Dixon handled the backup running back duties behind starter Frank Gore.

When asked at his Monday press conference to clarify Jacobs' status on the team, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh answered, "No comment."

Last week, presumably after Jacobs found out he would not be active for Sunday's game, he went to social media to express his displeasure with the 49ers.

"I am on this team rotting away so why would I wanna put any pics up of anything that say niners," Jacobs wrote on Instagram in response to fans' complains that he posted only photos of himself while with the New York Giants. "This is by far the worst year I ever had, I'll tell you like I told plenty others."

Jacobs spent his first seven NFL seasons with the Giants. He scored 56 career touchdowns with the Giants, and was a member of two Super Bowl-winning teams.

The New York Giants released Jacobs after last season, and he signed a one-year contract with the 49ers that included $950,000 in base pay and a $150,000 signing bonus. He also collected an additional $12,500 for each of the three games that he suited up.

Jacobs sustained a knee injury in the 49ers' second exhibition game but was declared healthy in time to participate in the 49ers' fourth game of the season. However, he was unable to convince the 49ers' coaching staff that he could become a contributor. Last week, Jacobs even took an apparent shot at Harbaugh.

"Some people give the wrong person credit, this team win(s) because there is a lot of talent," Jacobs wrote on Instagram.
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to stop us resigning him. Can't blame 49ers brass for not releasing him tho lol

When the Niners signed him, I was really looking forward to watch him play and see how he could help the team, especially on 3rd and shorts...

Twitter and instagram is cool until athletes start to vent issues with their team...

it's not like he COULDN'T have helped us in some circumstances. the notion of him, gore and lamichael (kendall) in the backfield seems to me a triple threat defenses would have had problems with. oh well.

>Can't say I'm all that unhappy... never liked that dude
>
>49ers suspend Jacobs for final three games
>
>http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/49ers-suspend-jacobs-final-three-games
>
>December 10, 2012, 2:00 pm
>
>SANTA CLARA -- The 49ers on Monday suspended running back
>Brandon Jacobs for the final three games of the regular
>season, the team announced.
>
>The move prevents Jacobs from going to another team to help
>them in the final weeks of the regular season and,
>potentially, the playoffs.
>
>In the end, Jacobs' tenure with the 49ers will likely be
>remembered more for tweets and Instagram photos than yards and
>touchdowns.
>
>Several days after Jacobs complained to his followers about
>his playing time -- or lack thereof -- the 49ers suspended
>Jacobs for the remainder of the regular season.
>
>Jacobs was active for just three games, and his season stat
>line consisted of five rushing attempts for 7 yards. He was
>not active Sunday in the 49ers' 27-13 victory over the Miami
>Dolphins, as LaMichael James and Anthony Dixon handled the
>backup running back duties behind starter Frank Gore.
>
>When asked at his Monday press conference to clarify Jacobs'
>status on the team, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh answered, "No
>comment."
>
>Last week, presumably after Jacobs found out he would not be
>active for Sunday's game, he went to social media to express
>his displeasure with the 49ers.
>
>"I am on this team rotting away so why would I wanna put any
>pics up of anything that say niners," Jacobs wrote on
>Instagram in response to fans' complains that he posted only
>photos of himself while with the New York Giants. "This is by
>far the worst year I ever had, I'll tell you like I told
>plenty others."
>
>Jacobs spent his first seven NFL seasons with the Giants. He
>scored 56 career touchdowns with the Giants, and was a member
>of two Super Bowl-winning teams.
>
>The New York Giants released Jacobs after last season, and he
>signed a one-year contract with the 49ers that included
>$950,000 in base pay and a $150,000 signing bonus. He also
>collected an additional $12,500 for each of the three games
>that he suited up.
>
>Jacobs sustained a knee injury in the 49ers' second exhibition
>game but was declared healthy in time to participate in the
>49ers' fourth game of the season. However, he was unable to
>convince the 49ers' coaching staff that he could become a
>contributor. Last week, Jacobs even took an apparent shot at
>Harbaugh.
>
>"Some people give the wrong person credit, this team win(s)
>because there is a lot of talent," Jacobs wrote on Instagram.
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*paraphrase* of course

these athletes and their immature petulance on social media is remarkable, especially in 2012 when any single online rant can get you a pink slip.

see: the king of the dumbasses, braylon edwards.

i was reading jacob's twitter last week. safe to say all his southern illinois english prof's passed him unconditionally whether or not he attended class.

it's clear the niner offense thrives with a smaller, slashing back running behind those behemoths. i LOL'd when they said jacobs would share the load in place of hunter.

it just wasn't a good fit. too many already-solid guys at the position in hindsight, and with dixon proven as the poor man's gerald riggs on the goaline.

cute story with the $5 kid, though.

San Francisco has enough depth at the running back position and theoretically, would only need a specialized power back. except Brandon Jacobs has never been a short-yardage runner, with his dance-around style. plus he's a malcontent when he isn't "the man".

a surprising offseason misjudgment by Harbaugh and Baalke.

Now that it's clear Gore has been kept fresh enough and stayed reasonably healthy there's no need for Jacobs.. 9er ain't out anything but a little pocket change. No real loss to the team or us as fans.
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but it seemed pretty obvious that Brandon Jacobs was not making the 49ers better. I'd rather take a committee of Hunter/James/Dixon over him if Gore missed time -- he's a 265-pound back who thinks he's Barry Sanders and is a negative receiver. add on his public petulance and it was just a miscalculation from the start.

>but it seemed pretty obvious that Brandon Jacobs was not
>making the 49ers better. I'd rather take a committee of
>Hunter/James/Dixon over him if Gore missed time -- he's a
>265-pound back who thinks he's Barry Sanders and is a negative
>receiver. add on his public petulance and it was just a
>miscalculation from the start.


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Dixon wasn't expected to make the team...

remember, everyone was pretty surprised he made the cut... I mean, Niner fans like him, but the team is so stacked that he wasn't expected to stay...

Jacobs just had to be better than James, who Harbough obviously wasn't comfortable with...

Like I said in my original reply, I was looking forward to Jacobs being that 3rd down back to get those tough yards... I didn't think he would get a ton of playing time... I'm surprised that he actually thought he would...

But tonight, Kap may have earned it...

That boy showed his ass tonight... the fumbles and the INT were bad, but man, Kap played a hell of a game in New England...

I told people last week I thought the Niners would win because Kap is a player who shows up on the big stage (MNF, SNF, hopefully in the playoffs!)... He didn't disappoint...




Was I trippin or was Aldon being held like all day in that 2nd half??

Though, I'm still not understanding why he and Goodwin can't get the snap together. I understand it was wet last night, but this problem has not been secluded to last night.

Same with the play clock issue.

Once he gets that shit down, and they stop stunting drives with bullshit like that... Our offense will be virtually unstoppable.

and just think, we left atleast 10 points on the board. (akers missed fg, Delanie fumble)

And Aldon was clearly being held, but it was nice to see McDonald get after it the way he did. and we had a good Ricky Jean sighting. Hopefully Justin is healthy.

>Though, I'm still not understanding why he and Goodwin can't
>get the snap together. I understand it was wet last night, but
>this problem has not been secluded to last night.
that shit was atrocious. of course fucking Frank nasty took one to the HOUSE, sick.

>Same with the play clock issue.
much better this week than last

>Once he gets that shit down, and they stop stunting drives
>with bullshit like that... Our offense will be virtually
>unstoppable.
whether or not it's unstoppable, with our defense it just needs to be consistently positive. that's the scary part. anything more is icing.

>and just think, we left atleast 10 points on the board. (akers
>missed fg, Delanie fumble)
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. I don't know what the fuck Carlos was doing on that play, all he had to do was stay toward the sideline and let Bowman seal off the great Linebacker known as Tom Brady. SMFH

>And Aldon was clearly being held, but it was nice to see
>McDonald get after it the way he did. and we had a good Ricky
>Jean sighting. Hopefully Justin is healthy.
THIS CONCERNS ME. Aside from us blowing points that should have had the game 24-0 at the half, the Pats don't make that comeback if Smitty is in the game. We NEED that motherfucker down the stretch.

>
>

>that shit was atrocious. of course fucking Frank nasty took
>one to the HOUSE, sick.

Frank may be my all time favorite niner.


>much better this week than last

True, I guess there's no reason think they can't solve it altogether over the next two weeks.


>whether or not it's unstoppable, with our defense it just
>needs to be consistently positive. that's the scary part.
>anything more is icing.

True. I think it's safe to say, with the way our defense plays that if our offense is putting up 30+ it's a real good chance that we'll be popping bottles this season.


>CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. I don't know what the fuck Carlos was
>doing on that play, all he had to do was stay toward the
>sideline and let Bowman seal off the great Linebacker known as
>Tom Brady. SMFH

lol That shit killed me too...I forgot all about that play.


>THIS CONCERNS ME. Aside from us blowing points that should
>have had the game 24-0 at the half, the Pats don't make that
>comeback if Smitty is in the game. We NEED that motherfucker
>down the stretch.

I agree. He makes our defensive line go.

Now, for the elephant in the room, David Akers. Can we please get him the fuck outta here

If we put ourselves in a position where he becomes relevant in the playoffs...

>>whether or not it's unstoppable, with our defense it just
>>needs to be consistently positive. that's the scary part.
>>anything more is icing.
>
>True. I think it's safe to say, with the way our defense plays
>that if our offense is putting up 30+ it's a real good chance
>that we'll be popping bottles this season.
as long as they stay in their base defense. that prevent shit only prevents.....you know


>>CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. I don't know what the fuck Carlos was
>>doing on that play, all he had to do was stay toward the
>>sideline and let Bowman seal off the great Linebacker known
>as
>>Tom Brady. SMFH
>
>lol That shit killed me too...I forgot all about that play.
i was so disgusted when i saw the replay. motherfuckers who were TRYING to give us less credit were on that "y'all were lucky time ran out" acting like we shouldn't have been up by more. but whatever, a win in Foxboro in December is a win in Foxboro in December. Ain't SHIT they can say to that.


>
>>THIS CONCERNS ME. Aside from us blowing points that should
>>have had the game 24-0 at the half, the Pats don't make that
>>comeback if Smitty is in the game. We NEED that motherfucker
>>down the stretch.
>
>I agree. He makes our defensive line go.
>
>Now, for the elephant in the room, David Akers. Can we please
>get him the fuck outta here
I think he's hurt. His percentage isn't AWFUL, it's just he's been so lights out the better part of his time with us that it's glaring.

>If we put ourselves in a position where he becomes relevant in
>the playoffs...
I don't even wanna speak it....let's just truck everybody and make it a moot point.

Not from a standings standpoint but from a solidification standpoint.

-On the road
-Poor weather (rain)
-Playing against a GREAT QB
-Our QB sitch still kinda new/uneasy


Considering the Pats had just destroyed Hou and were playing well, for our D to stifle Brady and that O for 2.5 quarters and then put the squeeze on again to close the game was important. The comeback was concerning but you know what, anytime you play against Brady, Rodgers, either Manning or Drew, there's always a chance they just get hot and light you up. Hell Brady flung 50+ passes, we not gonna stop him all game with that many passes.

This game also solidified Kaep as the starter as being a GOOD decision. I dunno about ya'll but I feel if Alex was the QB, a few of those TD's woulda been FG's and NE woulda WON this game on the comeback. Kaep is special, young, but special and his time is now. No disrespect to Alex. And the team should be all in on him now if they weren't before.

10-3-1 keeps us ahead of GB for the bye. We get one more and I think we'll lock it up.

I think the momentum of this game is great also going into the SEA game (with them posting 50 spots the past two weeks).

Hands down, to me, most important game and Win to date.

>but I feel if Alex was the QB,
>a few of those TD's woulda been FG's and NE woulda WON this
>game on the comeback.

the only plays and passes i don't see Alex making was the Moss TD, the INT, that run in the red zone that ended up a FG anyway, and that DEEP sack. that Delanie sideline and Crabtree up the middle are passes that Alex always throws on the money. *OH and i don't think Alex overthrows VD on that one play.* and are we giving Kap the credit for the 4th quarter rally for that 7 yard pass started by a huge LaMichael return and great move and YAC by Crabs? before that were a bunch of quick punts that would have Alex under fire from everyone. people say we run, run, run, punt or run, run, 3rd and long, punt because the coaches don't trust Alex; it's obviously a poor playcalling issue.

i'm taking no credit away from Kap - he's poised and ready; but i don't see Alex NOT winning this game, and if not by more.

just as I think Alex would have won both Ram games

different skill sets play well with different teams
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Pats game. and like you, i was disgusted at that comeback.

>>but I feel if Alex was the QB,
>>a few of those TD's woulda been FG's and NE woulda WON this
>>game on the comeback.
>
>the only plays and passes i don't see Alex making was the Moss
>TD, the INT, that run in the red zone that ended up a FG
>anyway, and that DEEP sack. that Delanie sideline and Crabtree
>up the middle are passes that Alex always throws on the money.
>*OH and i don't think Alex overthrows VD on that one play.*
>and are we giving Kap the credit for the 4th quarter rally for
>that 7 yard pass started by a huge LaMichael return and great
>move and YAC by Crabs? before that were a bunch of quick punts
>that would have Alex under fire from everyone. people say we
>run, run, run, punt or run, run, 3rd and long, punt because
>the coaches don't trust Alex; it's obviously a poor
>playcalling issue.
>
>i'm taking no credit away from Kap - he's poised and ready;
>but i don't see Alex NOT winning this game, and if not by
>more.

the velocity to get it between those two defenders?

Alex Smith couldn't make that throw in a wet dream

same throw Alex made to VD all last season. and same throw Kap overthrew to VD with defenders behind him. it's all speculation, i'm just saying i don't see much difference in the outcome of this game.

http://www.cleanvideosearch.com/media/action/yt/watch?videoId=4GZRfFpQh4Q&name=Highlights+-+San+Francisco+49ers+x+New+England+Patriots&uploadUsername=lucasguerra01&hitCount=3208

behind as in farther down the field. sorry, "behind" and "front" isn't a very good description if you don't involve the field. but yeah, it wasn't b/w 2 defenders. takes balls to throw that ball, i agree.

makes that throw
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>Not from a standings standpoint but from a solidification
>standpoint.
>
>-On the road
>-Poor weather (rain)
>-Playing against a GREAT QB
>-Our QB sitch still kinda new/uneasy
As far as I'm concerned, my stance on the Giants game was always "it will be a good win" but still won't make right for unfinished January business.

With Kaep at the helm, against THAT QB and THAT COACH, with THAT team playing well, and with OUR DEFENSE, it was very important for us.


>Considering the Pats had just destroyed Hou and were playing
>well, for our D to stifle Brady and that O for 2.5 quarters
>and then put the squeeze on again to close the game was
>important. The comeback was concerning but you know what,
>anytime you play against Brady, Rodgers, either Manning or
>Drew, there's always a chance they just get hot and light you
>up. Hell Brady flung 50+ passes, we not gonna stop him all
>game with that many passes.
should have been by more. my man and I were watching early and HEATED at Carlos and at the playcalling that resulted in Delanie's fumble. I mean fuck all this "Brady almost came back" we damn sure should have had those fools signed sealed delivered by the end of the 3rd.


>
>This game also solidified Kaep as the starter as being a GOOD
>decision.
which is what i needed and what i was screaming for. if he was put in because of what he could do, then he needed to DO IT, because up to that point there wasn't enough in our offense to differentiate Kaep running it from Alex in the previous 4 games.

>I dunno about ya'll but I feel if Alex was the QB,
>a few of those TD's woulda been FG's and NE woulda WON this
>game on the comeback.
Yes, but there might have been other TDs and more sustained drives, those snaps were atrocious. Also, the game would have been called differently, and the way our defense was stunting, a 21 point lead would have been safer with Alex IMO. Not saying Kaep didn't show out, but I just can't speculate on what would have happened with Alex.

>Kaep is special, young, but special and
>his time is now. No disrespect to Alex. And the team should
>be all in on him now if they weren't before.
The team was all in from the time he took the helm I think.

>10-3-1 keeps us ahead of GB for the bye. We get one more and
>I think we'll lock it up.
I'm not afraid to play road games. THE DEFENSE TRAVELS.

>I think the momentum of this game is great also going into the
>SEA game (with them posting 50 spots the past two weeks).
yeah, I like that. NBC jumped on that shit with the QUICKNESS.

>Hands down, to me, most important game and Win to date.
i appreciate that these games are so hard fought. was reading about this game and agree that if we had stunted on the Pats like we SHOULD have, perhaps our edge wouldn't be there like it needs to be with Seattle. I think these dudes are playing with a chip and it won't be lifted until they get a ring. P Willis breaking through for that backfield tackle was fucking DISGUSTING. He's channeling 2000 Ray Lewis right now, the amount of disruptions he can cause on a field is frightening. SO glad he's on our side.

Never should have been that close... no doubt in my mind who the better team is after watching those two on the field for 60 minutes last night.

And for the record, I don't think they win that game with Alex at QB
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by switching to a three-man front/zone?

'cause it sure felt like it. oh that and brady being one of the GOAT and finding a rhythm.

i had that disgusted feeling too witnessing what coulda been a monumental implosion.

brady can say "we gave it to them" or whatever, but answering the way we did after NE made it 31-31 was championship football.

heading into Seattle a 1/2 game up after blowing 28 point league the week before is how seasons get away from teams.

As for the D, I think Justin Smith being out played some role in it too... but they never should have gone away from man coverage with that much time left.
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>by switching to a three-man front/zone?
>
>'cause it sure felt like it. oh that and brady being one of
>the GOAT and finding a rhythm.
>
>i had that disgusted feeling too witnessing what coulda been a
>monumental implosion.
>
>brady can say "we gave it to them" or whatever, but answering
>the way we did after NE made it 31-31 was championship
>football.
>

1) We almost gave it to them FIRST. As crazy as 31-3 looked, it should have been at least 10-14 points MORE. Carlos with that bullshit, then the subsequent play calls resulting in a fumble. You CANNOT blow a turnover in such great position on the road against this team and come away with nothing. Nevermind those damn mishandled snaps.

2) Smitty missed a good part of the Pats comeback. He's in there, Brady doesn't get off or have time to establish that rhythm. It's no coincidence his shit wasn't rolling early on when the Smith brothers were bearing down on him

3) The defense did soften up, but the other two issues played a larger role in it being so dangerously close.

fan-fucking-tastic fake punt was really shitty.

>fan-fucking-tastic fake punt was really shitty.

I'd penciled this in for a loss before the season even started, so to take the game is huge and a high water mark for this regular season so far. So, hey, respect due to everyone involved.

However, this is the second week in a row where getting win was a lot more difficult than it should have been. Now, the Pats are a much, much, MUCH better team than the Dolphins, but much of the degree of difficulty for this win we brought on ourselves.

The Offense: Kaep certainly made a lot of good/great plays: the bomb to Moss, the TDs to Crabtree, the run to the redzone, etc. Gore also handled his biz and LeMichael's kick-off return helped seal the game. However, we should have hung 50-plus on these motherfuckas. The lack of execution and screw-ups got infuriating. Fortunately, three of the four dropped snaps never hurt us, but they were stupid, shitty weather or not. The two long sacks also put us in shitty positions, and, of course, the endzone INT was just dumb. Our offense was dead in the water between the end zone INT and LMJ's return (Walker's fumble near the end zone was also really dumb). Like, we did absolutely nothing; didn't even burn that much clock. All credit due for pulling it together at the end, but we nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory before snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

The Defense: They looked so unstoppable for two and a half quarters that it was almost scary. Aldon was in Brady's shit every time. They killed what little run game the Pats had, and the pass rush at least started off looking great. But giving up the 28 straight is also inexcusable. Brady is Brady, but him going no huddle shouldn't make him THAT unstoppable, even with the lack of Justin Smith. Again, all credit due for pulling off the last two stops, but just... no.

Huzzah for the win, but like OldPro, I'm more than a little both relieved and disgusted.

>I'd penciled this in for a loss before the season even
>started,

And lost & tied games I had them winning

Just goes to show you how pointless it is picking records based on the schedule

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Don't know if the team morale would've survived come playoff time if we let that one slip away so late in the season with such a big lead. When we're at our best offensively and defensively we're legitimately the best team in the league, but come playoff time it's not the team that's the best, it's the team that's the hottest without the injury bug that'll win it all. Williams and Hunter's absence will really hurt in the playoffs but Justin is straight up irreplaceable. Ideally, we not only need to win in Seattle but hand them a swift ass kicking to get that momentum rolling. We need an answer for marshawn and these "violent backs" that continue to attack the middle of our defense. Confident in the squad...this year hasnt been as fun as last because the element of surprise isn't there but I'm anxious to see the battle tested niners with the qb in unchartered territory. Dyin to lock this two seed up and work our way to the top from there.

when was the last time the 49ers swept an outside division? Especially with a team like NE in it.

not sure how All Day didn't get it, but good for Kap.
ride that shit over Carrol and 'em.

and stays focused on the game at hand

SANTA CLARA -- Quarterback Colin Kaepernick was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week for his performance Sunday night in the 49ers' 41-34 victory over the New England Patriots.

On Wednesday, he stood in front of the media for more than five minutes and heard questions as the 49ers prepare to face the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday night:

What was your reaction to being named NFC Offensive Player of the Week?
Kaeperick: "Excited about it."

Why?
Kaeperick: "I think it's a great accolade for this team. I mean, there are a lot of great players on this team that put in the effort for that award to come around."

When you got on the bus, did you feel like this was the kind of game worthy of that award?
Kaeperick: " Um, I was just happy we got the win."

What did Tom Brady say to you after the game?
Kaeperick: " Just 'good job.'"

There's a picture of you shaking hands with Tom Brady after the game. What was your emotions like about beating a guy like that in his own home?
Kaeperick: "I mean, I was just excited about it. He is someone I've always looked up to, someone I always watched. So to get a win over someone like that is a great accomplishment."

What kind of work have you done with Vernon Davis after practices to get on the same page?
Kaeperick: "Just extra throws."

What kind of statement did the win over the Patriots make about the team and what you can accomplish going forward?
Kaeperick: "I mean, it isn't going to mean too much if we don't come out and win this week. That's what we're focused on right now."

What kind of challenge do the Seahawks present to you?
Kaeperick: "The Seahawks are hot team right now. Their defense is playing great. Their offense is putting up points. So we have to be ready."

What are you expecting in terms of the hostile environment and how loud it is?
Kaeperick: "I mean, we expect it to be loud."

Do you do anything different in preparing to play in one of the loudest stadiums in the league?
Kaeperick: "We're going to prepare like we do for all of our away games."

Do you feel like you and Vernon are making some progress? And why?
Kaeperick: "Yeah, we're making progress because we're getting those throws after practice."

This is your third prime-time start. Is this something you embrace about playing under the lights?
Kaeperick: "We're just going out, trying to get a win."

So, no?
Kaeperick: "I guess."

Obviously, you don't study Russell Wilson, but are you able to appreciate what he's been able to do this year?
Kaeperick: "Yeah, I've seen a little bit of what he's done. I mean, everything I've seen of him, he's been doing great things out there. So that's something we're going to have to account for."

Does he seem like a guy who's going to be your adversary, your Tom Brady, for the next decade or so?
Kaeperick: "He'll be my adversary Sunday night. That's what we're worried about."

The first time you guys played, a big deal was made about how physical their corners are. Do they still play with the same aggressive nature that they showed earlier in the season?
Kaeperick: "Yes."

How do you go about beating that?
Kaeperick: "Our receivers are going to physical. Be physical in their routes, be physical in their blocking."

Do you have to press the issue? If they're going to be on them, do you have to allow your receivers to make plays?
Kaeperick: "I mean, our receivers have been making plays. I expect them to go out and do that on Sunday, too."

What was your reaction to the music video that came out a couple of days ago with the 5-year-old girl?
Kaeperick: "(Laughs) I thought it was a good video. Big 'ups' to her."

What do you like about Michael Crabtree as a receiver?
Kaeperick: "He catches the ball. He catches the ball and makes plays after he catches it."

Have you and Crabtree had the chemistry from the beginning or is it something that's developed?
Kaeperick: "I mean, Crabs is the kind of receiver if you throw it close to him, he's going to catch it."

Vernon Davis said you want to get bigger and he says don't change. He doesn't want your arm to get too much stronger. Is that a running joke between you two?
Kaeperick: "Yeah."

Will you elaborate a little on the back and forth?
Kaeperick: "I mean, it's just a joke we've had since the offseason because he knows I have a strong arm."

How much bigger do you want to be?
Kaeperick: " It really isn't about getting bigger. It's just a joke we had."

Have you had a moment to yourself to reflect and enjoy the fact that so much is happening?
Kaeperick: "Right now is not the time to reflect. We need to work and keep getting wins."

Delanie Walker said Crabtree is always saying he's open, look for me. Do you like that in a wide receiver?
Kaeperick: "I love that in a receiver. You want somebody who wants the ball."

Colin, what would you ask you if you standing in our spot?
Kaeperick: " (Laughs) The same questions every week like you all do."
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What did they expect him to say?

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Kaeperick: " (Laughs) The same questions every week like you all do."


Kaepernick has really made this transition as smooth as possible for the guys (like myself) who wanted Smith in... He's all about the team... He takes responsibility for his mistakes... And he definitely showed improvement on Sunday against the Pats... He rises to the occasion, whether he wants to admit it or not...

I hope he fucks up the Seahawks on Sunday...


Any word on Justin Smith???

>Kaeperick: " (Laughs) The same questions every week like you
>all do."
>
>
>Kaepernick has really made this transition as smooth as
>possible for the guys (like myself) who wanted Smith in...
>He's all about the team... He takes responsibility for his
>mistakes... And he definitely showed improvement on Sunday
>against the Pats... He rises to the occasion, whether he wants
>to admit it or not...
>
>I hope he fucks up the Seahawks on Sunday...
>
>Any word on Justin Smith???

Word I heard was he came out for practice fully dressed


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>>Any word on Justin Smith???
>
>Word I heard was he came out for practice fully dressed
>

we GOTTA have this dude for the 'offs man.

Harbaugh uncharacteristically telegraphed his level of his concern with his whole laughing "roping and riding" bit.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Justin sit for Seattle though.

my greatest fear, of an epic collapse by kaep at the worst time, would at least be supplanted by knowing we have a capable QB backing him up. however, from game to game, i got the sense that neither QB was going to actively lose the game for us.

But losing SMITTY??? nah fuck that. our QBs are interchangeable in terms of not costing us victories. Smith is NOT replaceable. despite us needing to be up more at the half on sunday, motherfuckers talk this "brady was coming back shit" without acknowledging JUSTIN SMITH WAS OUT OF THE GAME THE ENTIRE GAME. NOT a coincidence.

the way he went after brees and manning in the playoffs was epic. we need more of that in january/february.

>and stays focused on the game at hand
>
>SANTA CLARA -- Quarterback Colin Kaepernick was named NFC
>Offensive Player of the Week for his performance Sunday night
>in the 49ers' 41-34 victory over the New England Patriots.
>
>On Wednesday, he stood in front of the media for more than
>five minutes and heard questions as the 49ers prepare to face
>the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday night:
>
>What was your reaction to being named NFC Offensive Player of
>the Week?
>Kaeperick: "Excited about it."
>
>Why?
>Kaeperick: "I think it's a great accolade for this team. I
>mean, there are a lot of great players on this team that put
>in the effort for that award to come around."
>
>When you got on the bus, did you feel like this was the kind
>of game worthy of that award?
>Kaeperick: " Um, I was just happy we got the win."
>
>What did Tom Brady say to you after the game?
>Kaeperick: " Just 'good job.'"
>
>There's a picture of you shaking hands with Tom Brady after
>the game. What was your emotions like about beating a guy like
>that in his own home?
>Kaeperick: "I mean, I was just excited about it. He is someone
>I've always looked up to, someone I always watched. So to get
>a win over someone like that is a great accomplishment."
>
>What kind of work have you done with Vernon Davis after
>practices to get on the same page?
>Kaeperick: "Just extra throws."
>
>What kind of statement did the win over the Patriots make
>about the team and what you can accomplish going forward?
>Kaeperick: "I mean, it isn't going to mean too much if we
>don't come out and win this week. That's what we're focused on
>right now."
>
>What kind of challenge do the Seahawks present to you?
>Kaeperick: "The Seahawks are hot team right now. Their defense
>is playing great. Their offense is putting up points. So we
>have to be ready."
>
>What are you expecting in terms of the hostile environment and
>how loud it is?
>Kaeperick: "I mean, we expect it to be loud."
>
>Do you do anything different in preparing to play in one of
>the loudest stadiums in the league?
>Kaeperick: "We're going to prepare like we do for all of our
>away games."
>
>Do you feel like you and Vernon are making some progress? And
>why?
>Kaeperick: "Yeah, we're making progress because we're getting
>those throws after practice."
>
>This is your third prime-time start. Is this something you
>embrace about playing under the lights?
>Kaeperick: "We're just going out, trying to get a win."
>
>So, no?
>Kaeperick: "I guess."
>
>Obviously, you don't study Russell Wilson, but are you able to
>appreciate what he's been able to do this year?
>Kaeperick: "Yeah, I've seen a little bit of what he's done. I
>mean, everything I've seen of him, he's been doing great
>things out there. So that's something we're going to have to
>account for."
>
>Does he seem like a guy who's going to be your adversary, your
>Tom Brady, for the next decade or so?
>Kaeperick: "He'll be my adversary Sunday night. That's what
>we're worried about."
>
>The first time you guys played, a big deal was made about how
>physical their corners are. Do they still play with the same
>aggressive nature that they showed earlier in the season?
>Kaeperick: "Yes."
>
>How do you go about beating that?
>Kaeperick: "Our receivers are going to physical. Be physical
>in their routes, be physical in their blocking."
>
>Do you have to press the issue? If they're going to be on
>them, do you have to allow your receivers to make plays?
>Kaeperick: "I mean, our receivers have been making plays. I
>expect them to go out and do that on Sunday, too."
>
>What was your reaction to the music video that came out a
>couple of days ago with the 5-year-old girl?
>Kaeperick: "(Laughs) I thought it was a good video. Big 'ups'
>to her."
>
>What do you like about Michael Crabtree as a receiver?
>Kaeperick: "He catches the ball. He catches the ball and makes
>plays after he catches it."
>
>Have you and Crabtree had the chemistry from the beginning or
>is it something that's developed?
>Kaeperick: "I mean, Crabs is the kind of receiver if you throw
>it close to him, he's going to catch it."
>
>Vernon Davis said you want to get bigger and he says don't
>change. He doesn't want your arm to get too much stronger. Is
>that a running joke between you two?
>Kaeperick: "Yeah."
>
>Will you elaborate a little on the back and forth?
>Kaeperick: "I mean, it's just a joke we've had since the
>offseason because he knows I have a strong arm."
>
>How much bigger do you want to be?
>Kaeperick: " It really isn't about getting bigger. It's just a
>joke we had."
>
>Have you had a moment to yourself to reflect and enjoy the
>fact that so much is happening?
>Kaeperick: "Right now is not the time to reflect. We need to
>work and keep getting wins."
>
>Delanie Walker said Crabtree is always saying he's open, look
>for me. Do you like that in a wide receiver?
>Kaeperick: "I love that in a receiver. You want somebody who
>wants the ball."
>
>Colin, what would you ask you if you standing in our spot?
>Kaeperick: " (Laughs) The same questions every week like you
>all do."
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good thing this didn't cost us

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/20/nfl-admits-officials-replay-assistant-screwed-up-on-49ers-fumble/related/

NFL admits officials, replay assistant screwed up on 49ers fumble

During the first quarter of Sunday’s 49ers-Patriots game, San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick hit Delanie Walker with a pass, and New England’s Steve Gregory hit Walker just as he grabbed the ball, knocking it loose. Aqib Talib picked the ball up, and the officials ruled it a fumble recovered by the Patriots.

One problem: Walker never had possession of the ball. Another problem: The replay assistant who is supposed to review all turnovers and tell the referee to take a closer look at the close calls never told the ref to review the play.

The officials got the play wrong on the field, but NFL director of instant replay Dean Blandino placed the blame on the replay assistant in an appearance on NFL Network.

“This actually never went to review,” Blandino said. “The replay official confirmed it upstairs without bringing the referee over. And that’s a mistake. We need to bring the referee over.”

Blandino said the replay official made the mistake of watching the replay in slow motion, which made it look like Walker had control of the ball for long enough to constitute a catch. But the replay official should have watched the replay at full speed, which would have shown that Gregory knocked the ball out of Walker’s hands just as Walker grabbed it.

“He slowed it down,” Blandino said. “If you go frame-by-frame you distort the time element and you can make it look like he has it longer than he does. We want to watch it at full speed.”

Still, Blandino said that the referee can’t take the time to review every single scoring play and turnover, and so the job needs to be the replay official’s to do.

“We have to be cognizant of the delays that replay causes in the game,” Blandino said. “We’ve given the replay official — that’s his jurisdiction. He has to make those decisions.”

Unfortunately, too often this season we’ve seen the replay official make the wrong decision.

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>good thing this didn't cost us
Carlos should have kept that shit on the sideline instead of running into Brady like a dumbass and it would have been 7, but yeah. Pats didn't even score on the turnover i think, maybe a field goal?


>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/20/nfl-admits-officials-replay-assistant-screwed-up-on-49ers-fumble/related/
>
>NFL admits officials, replay assistant screwed up on 49ers
>fumble
>
>During the first quarter of Sunday’s 49ers-Patriots game, San
>Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick hit Delanie Walker with a pass,
>and New England’s Steve Gregory hit Walker just as he grabbed
>the ball, knocking it loose. Aqib Talib picked the ball up,
>and the officials ruled it a fumble recovered by the
>Patriots.
>
>One problem: Walker never had possession of the ball. Another
>problem: The replay assistant who is supposed to review all
>turnovers and tell the referee to take a closer look at the
>close calls never told the ref to review the play.
>
>The officials got the play wrong on the field, but NFL
>director of instant replay Dean Blandino placed the blame on
>the replay assistant in an appearance on NFL Network.
>
>“This actually never went to review,” Blandino said. “The
>replay official confirmed it upstairs without bringing the
>referee over. And that’s a mistake. We need to bring the
>referee over.”
>
>Blandino said the replay official made the mistake of watching
>the replay in slow motion, which made it look like Walker had
>control of the ball for long enough to constitute a catch. But
>the replay official should have watched the replay at full
>speed, which would have shown that Gregory knocked the ball
>out of Walker’s hands just as Walker grabbed it.
>
>“He slowed it down,” Blandino said. “If you go frame-by-frame
>you distort the time element and you can make it look like he
>has it longer than he does. We want to watch it at full
>speed.”
>
>Still, Blandino said that the referee can’t take the time to
>review every single scoring play and turnover, and so the job
>needs to be the replay official’s to do.
>
>“We have to be cognizant of the delays that replay causes in
>the game,” Blandino said. “We’ve given the replay official —
>that’s his jurisdiction. He has to make those decisions.”
>
>Unfortunately, too often this season we’ve seen the replay
>official make the wrong decision.
>
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Passes that are thrown 20+ yards in the air:
Alex Smith 9-18, 293 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Kaepernick 9-18, 302 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT

Not trying to make any point but I found it interesting that the numbers are so close across the board
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what are you doing in here man? YOU need to let it go, it's fuggin' embarrassing. Another opinion of yours was a farce, stop following the topic around hoping you're going to look any better over time, it's embarrassing and it makes you look like a waste basket.

At some point you're going to have to grow up. Man up and move on. Let it go.

I love threads like this because I'm a niner fan and some of the fans here are usually on-point. Unfortunately, people like you have to barge in and turd the board up with your childlike knuckledragging.

.

"Not trying to make any point"

Try taking the meaning of the words and processing that before posting next time.... you fucking ass clown
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>"Not trying to make any point"
>
>Try taking the meaning of the words and processing that before
>posting next time.... you fucking ass clown
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he spends more time in our team post than his own. of course i'm only speculating, i wouldn't know for sure since i don't check for other team's posts.

pathetic.

But when dude tries to misrepresent what I've posting I'm going to point that shit out

But as for a true back and forth discussion.... naw I'm done with that
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The numbers Kap has been putting up are (all around) very "Alex like"...

But you gotta remember, Kap has those stats in fewer starts...

People really just hated the fact that Alex didn't take that shot down field more often... They're seeing it on a more frequent basis now, yet it's the same results (but no one notices)...

Who cares at this point though... If anything, it just further proves that we have TWO very capable quarterbacks... And that's something very few other teams can say (if any)...

I'm looking forward to seeing Kap improve every week... Without Justin Smith in this week, Kap and the offense are gonna have to drop another 41 this week...






edit: just something to add... If Alex ever got another shot this season, I think he would come out firing... No doubt in my mind, next season, he'll be a better QB than he is now... Hopefully he'll be able to create some chemistry with his new teammates...

>The numbers Kap has been putting up are (all around) very
>"Alex like"...
>
>But you gotta remember, Kap has those stats in fewer
>starts...
>
>People really just hated the fact that Alex didn't take that
>shot down field more often... They're seeing it on a more
>frequent basis now, yet it's the same results (but no one
>notices)...
>
>Who cares at this point though... If anything, it just further
>proves that we have TWO very capable quarterbacks... And
>that's something very few other teams can say (if any)...
>
>I'm looking forward to seeing Kap improve every week...
>Without Justin Smith in this week, Kap and the offense are
>gonna have to drop another 41 this week...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>edit: just something to add... If Alex ever got another shot
>this season, I think he would come out firing... No doubt in
>my mind, next season, he'll be a better QB than he is now...
>Hopefully he'll be able to create some chemistry with his new
>teammates...

So those numbers being so equal means Harbaugh made the right decision

I just found it amazing they matched up so closely

of course some jack-offs thought I was trying to make a case for why Alex is better... even though I made it very clear that's not why I posed that. *smh*

Must suck to be so blinded by an agenda you can't read or think straight.
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What it looks like is that the overall scheme of the offense is still pretty similar despite the switch, it's just that Kaep has a greater willingness to let the ball go downfield reaching the same number of attempts in less games but hasn't been any more efficient at producing.

Kind of what was to be expected, Kaep will take a few more chances within the scheme of the offense balanced with less ball security. 49ers are in good shape with either QB, but Kaepernick brings more excitement.

>Passes that are thrown 20+ yards in the air:
>Alex Smith 9-18, 293 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
>Kaepernick 9-18, 302 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
>
>Not trying to make any point but I found it interesting that
>the numbers are so close across the board

I was saying in week in and week out after games that despite his ability, Kaep wasn't doing many things that Alex wasn't already doing, and the mid-range game Alex still does better. It was kind of why I was demanding for something "more" since that's why the change was being made, otherwise there was no need.

I'm becoming less apprehensive each week about Kaep's turnoverability chances in the playoffs, because he's really playing within himself (outside of those damn mishandled snaps). He has a LOT of patience for someone with his ability, which will only reap dividends down the road.

But generally speaking, every game since Kaep has started have all appeared to me games Alex could have won as well. As long as that defense is unpacked, WE GOOD.

8.3% for Alex.

mean reversion.

- J Smitty still not well. More concerned that he's right for the playoffs than for regular season. But going to need to slow Marshawn's angry ass down cause that dude is like a rhino.

- Goldson fined for a BULLSHIT ass call. They need to reexamine how they call/fine this shit. They have to examine the intent and context of a play.

I'm all for the league trying to make the game safer, but when a player catches a ball (IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!), he needs to expect he's gonna get blasted...

>

It's amazing what depth can do.

I mean we SHOULD beat the Cards and win the west.. but beyond that it could get tough. Being down your #2 and #3 WR, backup RB and maybe starting TE is a tough pill to swallow... especially when you have a young QB heading into his first post season. If Justin isn't able to come back at close to 100% this season could be coming to a quick end.
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Week, and the guys who are playing, while not starters, are very capable.

Not having Justin could really hurt, but I doubt he won't back by wildcard weekend

>I mean we SHOULD beat the Cards and win the west.. but beyond
>that it could get tough. Being down your #2 and #3 WR, backup
>RB and maybe starting TE is a tough pill to swallow...
moss and crabs, with jenkins and ginn is better than we had last year. also, LaMichael has come up nicely so the running game hasn't missed a beat.



>especially when you have a young QB heading into his first
>post season.

not a valid excuse. this was the understanding when the switch was made, can't point to this going forward. just grab your ankles.


If Justin isn't able to come back at close to
>100% this season could be coming to a quick end.
THIS IS WHAT CONCERNS ME. Plug in QBs, RBs, WRs, no Justin Smith and I'm legitimately worried. No coincidence that our defense has gotten trucked since he's sat down. No excuse for it to be SO BAD, but going against two of the hottest teams in the league, it's been a problem.

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>>especially when you have a young QB heading into his first
>>post season.
>
>not a valid excuse. this was the understanding when the switch
>was made, can't point to this going forward. just grab your
>ankles.

Yeah I understand why the switch was made but it's still not changing the fact we have no idea how he will respond in the playoffs... and having fewer weapons damn sure isn't going to make it any easier.

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Gore, Iupati, and Stalley on offense, plus Justin & Aldon, Whitner, Bowman, Goldson, and Willis on defense. Not too shabby.

Still our secret weapon.

definitely robbed... But so did Janikowski...

The NFL decided they just didn't want bay area kickers this year...

I mean it's nice to have your guys make it but right now I care too much about Super Bowls to pay much attention to a pro bowl nomination.

BTW, not talking shit to Hood or anyone else posting on this... I just found it refreshing to not care about this again... it's been a long time lol
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Source: Justin Smith has partially torn triceps

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Justin Smith has a partially torn left triceps, according to a source with knowledge of the injury. The 49ers defensive end, who was voted to his fourth straight Pro Bowl on Wednesday, injured his arm on Dec. 16 against the Patriots and has not practiced since. The source spoke about the injury on the condition of anonymity. Smith's injury has been listed as "elbow" on the 49ers' injury reports.

Smith appears to have suffered the injury while pushing off a Patriots offensive lineman in the third quarter. The play was innocuous and similar in nature to the one that ended outside linebacker Parys Haralson's season. Haralson also suffered a torn triceps during a preseason game against the Denver Broncos and was placed on injured reserve.

A day after the Patriots game, Jim Harbaugh was asked if Smith's injury was like "a Parys Haralson thing where he's knocked out long-term?"

"No, seems to be two different things," Harbaugh said.

Smith tried to return in the fourth quarter of the game in New England but could not. The injury likely will require surgery in the offseason, but Smith and the 49ers are hoping he can tolerate the pain enough to be effective during the playoffs. The 49ers would earn a first-round bye with a win Sunday at home against Arizona coupled with a loss by the Packers in Minnesota.

Ricky Jean Francois filled in at right defensive end Sunday for the 49ers and led the team's defensive linemen with six tackles. Smith, however, is the anchor of the defense and its most veteran member, and he stood out with his stellar play in the playoffs last year. He works exceptionally well with NFC sack leader Aldon Smith, who has gone without a sack in the team's last two games.

- Matt Barrows

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>Source: Justin Smith has partially torn triceps
>
>http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/12/source-justin-smith-has-partially-torn-triceps.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#mi_rss=Latest
>News
>
>
>Justin Smith has a partially torn left triceps, according to a
>source with knowledge of the injury. The 49ers defensive end,
>who was voted to his fourth straight Pro Bowl on Wednesday,
>injured his arm on Dec. 16 against the Patriots and has not
>practiced since. The source spoke about the injury on the
>condition of anonymity. Smith's injury has been listed as
>"elbow" on the 49ers' injury reports.
>
>Smith appears to have suffered the injury while pushing off a
>Patriots offensive lineman in the third quarter. The play was
>innocuous and similar in nature to the one that ended outside
>linebacker Parys Haralson's season. Haralson also suffered a
>torn triceps during a preseason game against the Denver
>Broncos and was placed on injured reserve.
>
>A day after the Patriots game, Jim Harbaugh was asked if
>Smith's injury was like "a Parys Haralson thing where he's
>knocked out long-term?"
>
>"No, seems to be two different things," Harbaugh said.
>
>Smith tried to return in the fourth quarter of the game in New
>England but could not. The injury likely will require surgery
>in the offseason, but Smith and the 49ers are hoping he can
>tolerate the pain enough to be effective during the playoffs.
>The 49ers would earn a first-round bye with a win Sunday at
>home against Arizona coupled with a loss by the Packers in
>Minnesota.
>


It will take doctors lawyers and police to keep Smitty off the field but am very concerned about him performing in a meaningful way for us.
We're gonna have to flat out outscore some teams to win a ring this year...

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d9fJx?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers

Well, it had to be something more than a nasty bruise.
Eleven days after seemingly indomitable defensive tackle Justin Smith was injured in a win over the Patriots, the 49ers revealed the nature of the injury that forced the four-time Pro Bowl selection to miss his first start since 2001 on Sunday.
According to the team, Smith had a bone spur detach when he sustained a partial tear of his left triceps tendon. The bone spur remains in his left elbow, which is why the team has classified it as an elbow injury. The 49ers provided specifics regarding the injury after the Sacramento Bee reported that Smith had sustained a partial triceps tear.
Smith, 33, who has yet to practice since he was injured, is certain to miss Sunday's regular-season finale against visiting Arizona. The 49ers have not placed him on injured reserve and hope he can return at some point in the postseason. Smith could require offseason surgery.
With Smith sidelined last week, the 49ers surrendered 176 rushing yards in a 42-13 loss at Seattle, the most they'd allowed since Sept. 26, 2010. Seattle's 42 points were the most scored against San Francisco since a 45-10 loss to the Falcons on Oct. 11, 2009.
On Thursday, defensive coordinator Vic Fangio downplayed the impact of Smith's absence in Seattle.
"They just outplayed us, outcoached us in that game," Fangio said. "And we weren't very good. We could have had five Justin Smiths, maybe. That wasn't the issue in the last game. ... Those guys just whipped us."
For his part, inside linebacker Patrick Willis acknowledged that the loss of his fellow defensive captain creates an emotional void. Known for his dedication, aversion to the spotlight and dry wit, Smith is perhaps the most respected player in the locker room.
"You can't really put into words what he means to this defense," Willis said. "Justin is one of our team captains, but more than just a captain, he's a man that goes out there and leads by example. He doesn't say a whole lot. He only speaks when he has to. He goes out there and plays with heart. He's a guy that I look up to in this league."
Smith, whose recently snapped streak of 185 starts ranked third among active players, has played through a myriad of maladies during his 12-year career. But could he return less than a month after sustaining a partial triceps tear? The 49ers could play a wild-card playoff game as early as Jan. 5, 20 days after Smith was injured.
Ravens middle linebacker Ray Lewis had surgery after a complete triceps tear Oct. 14. Baltimore did not place him on season-ending injured reserve and hopes he can return during the playoffs, at least 12 weeks after he was hurt.
Willis allowed for the possibility that Smith wouldn't be back until the 2013 season.
"I know it's killing him not be out there with us," he said. "But like I said, I want him to do the right thing. Take the right steps right now so, hopefully, we can get him back in time. But if not, for his career, he's able to take care of it now and be back with us next year."
Briefly: Tight end Vernon Davis (concussion) was cleared by an independent neurologist and was limited in practice after not participating Wednesday. Davis wore a non-contact jersey, an indication he has yet to be cleared to play Sunday. ... Center Jonathan Goodwin (illness) did not practice.
Smith's absence creates huge hole
The 49ers have played the majority of the past six quarters without injured All-Pro defensive tackle Justin Smith and the statistical dropoff has been striking. Here's a look at the defense's per-quarter averages before and after Smith's injury:
First downs
First 54 quarters: 4.2
Past 6 quarters: 8.0
Yards
First 54 quarters: 68.4
Past 6 quarters: 125.5
Points*
First 54 quarters: 3.2
Past 6 quarters: 11.0
* Does not include points scored by opponents' defense or special teams.

we can always pick up the ace in the hole BRETT SWAIN if need be.

*cries uncontrollably*

>we can always pick up the ace in the hole BRETT SWAIN if need
>be.
>
>*cries uncontrollably*

it's the DE that has me up at night

But don't we have a first-round rookie WR sitting around somewhere?

Will start to be concerned about this pick if Jenkins can't see the field under the current circumstances.

but where to line up on it
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>but where to line up on it

we're seeing why he was supposed to redshirt this year.

So the fact we only lost 4 and got a #2 seed again is definitely acceptable. The health thing is still a major concern though.... as is Akers.

The way I see this is we will have to beat the Packers in the divisional round... being at home makes me feel much better about this task. Then imo it's gong to come down to Atlanta on the road or Seattle at home... truthfully I'm not sure which one is a better match up for the 9ers. Of course the Falcon could surprise a lot of us and roll through the playoffs but I don't really see that happening... it would be nice to get another shot at Seattle but truthfully I'm not so anxious to see them dudes again... especially if Justin isn't back at 100%.

But bottom line is we are right back where we were last year despite everything... that's why I said don't get too caught up in the week to week drama and just let this thing play out.
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2030147&mode=full#2030436

you called it playa
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Niners are consistently starting slow... They really need to put points on the board in their first (or second) possession... Hopefully Harbough lets Kap start throwing out the gate because we'll be facing Rodgers who is gonna throw that ball 50 times...

Jenkins was booed like hell for his drop... Everyone wanted him in and then everyone basically said "BACK TO THE BENCH!"...

Has Ted Ginn, Jr. already mentally checked out??

I feel bad for Akers... I'm in complete support of the Niners replacing him for the playoffs, but I still feel bad for him... He's been injured, gets death threats... Shiiiiiit... With death threats on my mind, I would be missing extra points...

Justin Smith... I miss you...

It's crazy how fast Kap gets this team down the field... Had another 2 play drive... Kap and Crab is the team... Hopefully in 2 weeks, this will free up VD a bit...

Congrats to THE MAN, Frank Gore! The 49ers all-time leader in rushing TDs with 51!

I'm glad Harbough put Alex in... People in the stands were excited to see him come out... He got a standing ovation... People wanted to see him throw the ball, but obviously that wasn't the situation...

The game ended and they put the Vikings vs Packers game on at The Stick... Hella people stayed including me... Schoolboy Q was there too (shout out to Puffy)... Shit was pretty crazy... The fans who stayed were pretty intense... Best part was when the Pack called TO right before the FG and this old, old ass man behind me just yells, "That's CHICKEN SHIT RIGHT THERE!"


So here we are again... 1st round bye... Probably gonna have another shootout like we did last year with NO... Kap vs Rodgers... I was really hoping the Cowboys would make it so we could stomp them out one last time in the playoffs at The Stick... oh well, maybe next year...

Have the Pack added more weapons since the beginning of the season... I know the young receiver that was burning us then is still there... Pretty sure their Defense still sucks... Alex cut that D up week 1, I'm expecting Kap to do the same... And with a well rested Frank Gore in the backfield, the Niners should be able to run all over that shitty ass defense...

coming into the season i'd pragmatically tagged him as a possession receiver, based off of raw stats.

he's proving me wrong.

gotta give the nod to LB.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2057581&mesg_id=2057581&listing_type=search#2057694

hopefully crabs will have a better showing in the 'offs this time around.

I'm hoping this opens up VD and maybe Moss has a little more room... Also, maybe *JUST MAYBE* Jenkins can make some plays...

>coming into the season i'd pragmatically tagged him as a
>possession receiver, based off of raw stats.
>
>he's proving me wrong.
>
>gotta give the nod to LB.
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2057581&mesg_id=2057581&listing_type=search#2057694
>
>hopefully crabs will have a better showing in the 'offs this
>time around.

So I guess LB was calling Alex a good QB lol

...to bring facts into this

Crabs with Alex in just under 8 1/2 games
43-501 4 TDs

Crabs with KC in just over 7 1/2 games
42-604 5 TDs

Crabtree's big game last Sunday bumped the yards up a little but basically his numbers are the same with either QB behind center.

Once again I'm not making a case for Alex over Kap but this idea Crabs numbers spiked under Kap isn't really true... hell Alex's last real pass as a 9er was a TD to Crabs.


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The numbers pretty much support what we already know: kaepernick has the potential to make bigger plays

Entering the game this weekend the yard per catch difference was less than a 1/2 yard... basically we're talking about two catches that provided that different... Crabs dropped a should have been big gainer in the Vikings game and caught the 50 yarder Kap threw Sunday... so again, not really any difference showing up in the numbers here.
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All the other intricacies that make the stats what they are, then I don't really see a point in pointing that out. The fact still stands as a statistic because those two completions happened you know?

>All the other intricacies that make the stats what they are,
>then I don't really see a point in pointing that out. The fact
>still stands as a statistic because those two completions
>happened you know?

Kaep's "potential" for bigger plays has yet to be realized on anything resembling a consistent basis. Which is chill (for now).

Not an Alex v. Kaep issue, but to speak to LBs bullshit about Crabs (as fools said with Sing) being HELD back by the QB, when in fact neither were.

It's also not a stretch to say Alex and Crabs playing more wouldn't have yielded larger numbers and more results over time. Main point again is that Crabs is starting to come into his own.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/who-threw-deep-ball-better-smith-or-kaepernick


this part here pretty much proves the point we're making on Crabs


The quarterbacks had a 119.5 rating when targeting wide receiver Michael Crabtree, tied for fourth-highest among NFL wideouts with 100-plus targets.

--Crabtree's 2.56 yards per pass route was third among WRs with 100-plus targets, and better than Calvin Johnson's 2.55 yards. Crabtree's 3.74 yards per route run in the slot was best by far of any other wide receiver. And his 543 yards after the catch was fourth among all WRs.



The rest is what most of us already knew... Alex was a higher % passer and Kap a bigger down field threat. Crabs picking up so many yards after the catch shows he's not just some over the top guy who couldn't flourish under a high % passer like Alex. If anything the advantage Crabs got from Kap at QB comes from Kap's escape abilities and being sacked less.

but there's just nothing here to show Crabs wouldn't have had pretty much the same year under either QB
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though you, i and EVEN beam know that crabs *will have* bigger numbers with #7 as his higher-yards-per-average qb going forward. that assuming his contract isn't voided in the last year (2014) and he sticks around.

my point is that when josh morgan was here, crabs hadn't broken away from the pack as a cut-clear #1 leading into this year.

as of 1/2/13, he is now.


(edit: i'm sure vernon's regression as a tight end, whether it's been a lack of looks from kap, or him just pussying out on balls not put in the bread basket, has given crabs more opportunities.)

>though you, i and EVEN beam know that crabs *will have*
>bigger numbers with #7 as his higher-yards-per-average qb
>going forward.

Until I see Kap put more 9-10 play drives together I'm not willing to say Crabs numbers will be remarkably better.... flashier yes but not necessarily better.


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if the kid his a higher average per completion (and higher average scrambling), i'm not sure why his drives would necessarily match the same number of plays of, say, smith.

with Kap... at least not yet.

Big plays tend to get people's attention but the goal is to score points.. regardless of how they come

if you take the Ram game out where both Alex and Kap played, the scoring difference is pretty much the same... We're talking just over 2 points a game more under CK as starter. Now Kap is a 2nd year QB who should get more consistent in the coming years but right now there really isn't much of a difference in the production we got before and after Alex... It's just coming in a more fan friendly package.
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>though you, i and EVEN beam know that crabs *will have*
>bigger numbers with #7 as his higher-yards-per-average qb
>going forward. that assuming his contract isn't voided in the
>last year (2014) and he sticks around.
you're not putting enough responsibility on crabs or giving him enough credit. this was the first full training camp and preseason he's participated in. there was a DEMONSTRATED difference in him from day one. dude has always shown flashes, but lacked the consistency. getting all those reps in the offseason definitely helped.

it's funny though that you overlook that alex AND crabs were surpassing their previous outputs from years past but it's somehow only with Kaep that Crabs numbers would go up?

>my point is that when josh morgan was here, crabs hadn't
>broken away from the pack as a cut-clear #1 leading into this
>year.
see above

>as of 1/2/13, he is now.
see above

>
>(edit: i'm sure vernon's regression as a tight end, whether
>it's been a lack of looks from kap, or him just pussying out
>on balls not put in the bread basket, has given crabs more
>opportunities.)
crabs is a more consistent player, as well as spending time with a future HOF and going through a complete training camp. he put himself in great position to do better.

i give him all the credit in the world.

better?

doesn't take anything away from the fact that he's still gonna put up more numbers with kap.

>doesn't take anything away from the fact that he's still gonna
>put up more numbers with kap.

But where we are right now on Jan 2, 2012 I don't see much of a difference. Crabs is a better receiver today than he was 2 months ago... there's really nothing in the numbers to make me think his season stats would be much different had Alex stayed at QB.

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>coming into the season i'd pragmatically tagged him as a
>possession receiver, based off of raw stats.
>
>he's proving me wrong.
>
>gotta give the nod to LB.
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2057581&mesg_id=2057581&listing_type=search#2057694
>
>hopefully crabs will have a better showing in the 'offs this
>time around.

but when you're proven wrong as much as you have been I guess you have to take what you can get
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/who-threw-deep-ball-better-smith-or-kaepernick

--Isaac Sopopaga ranked 82nd out of 85 defensive tackle/nose tackles

So maybe it's just not a matter of Justin being super man but rather Sopopaga not being good enough to help pick up the slack when he's out. I thought it seemed like dude was having a bad year and now I see this

A few other things that stood out


--Willis was the top-rated inside linebacker. He was second against the run, and graded out as the best inside linebacker in pass coverage.

--Tarell Brown led the tackling efficiency stats at cornerback. He missed only one tackle all season.

--Chris Culliver allowed a reception every 13.7 snaps in coverage, fifth-best among all cornerbacks.

--Of the 21 corners who had 160 or more snaps in coverage in the slot, Carlos Rogers ranked fourth allowing a reception every 11.2 slot coverage snaps. He ranked fifth allowing 0.90 yards per snap in slot coverage.


That all speaks to just how good our pass defense has been this year... and T Brown missing only one tackle? Outstanding!
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>http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/who-threw-deep-ball-better-smith-or-kaepernick
>
>--Isaac Sopopaga ranked 82nd out of 85 defensive tackle/nose
>tackles
>
>So maybe it's just not a matter of Justin being super man but
>rather Sopopaga not being good enough to help pick up the
>slack when he's out. I thought it seemed like dude was having
>a bad year and now I see this


Even if Justin comes back, I just can't see him being any better than 70% with this injury (AT BEST). I doubt that Harbaugh wants to bring in the young horses right now, but we may not have a choice. It's pretty clear that our top draft need is NT and DE. What's great is that we have 11 draft picks to work it out with.

We just need to SLOW people down. Willis is channeling 2000 Ray Lewis right now, and just needs to be AROUND the ball for something to happen. I'll be surprised if he isn't in top 5 for Defensive Player of the Year.

hence the "violent backs" like bradshaw and lynch having a field day running downhill thru the tackles. That's the main thing that's regressed. It'll play into our favor if we get Green Bay if only because he won't see the field.

We still have ian williams, jarrod-eddie, dobbs, and ricky jean..guess no one's beatin him out the spot.