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Seeing as this movie has been reshot twice and they made so many changes to the story, I hope it's good. Can't have black Captain America fail.

I will see it but think it's destined to fail. Much like their last movies that tied in from Disney+ shows people didn't see. They can't expect a billion from this, hopefully will do better than Marvels or Ant-Man 3 tho.

Giancarlo will deliver, whether or not the movie does.

Marvel went in their bag to replace Hurt (R.I.P.)

FATWS left me underwhelmed, so let's see what this does.

Most obviously endlessly reshot MCU movie. The Madame Web of the MCU. It's clear in places at the end that, at one point, they had some interesting ideas they wanted to explore. Those have all been neutered or eliminated-- and at least one of the main character arcs is offensive considering what's happening in the country.

Obviously feels like Marvel's just punted this and Thunderbolts, making them hacky Disney+ style long TV episodes, waiting for Fantastic Four to hopefully renew interest after that. If F4 doesn't hit.... hoo boy.

I enjoyed The Falcon and Winter Soldier show more than this. It was okay, not one I need to see again. Maybe if they didn't spoil Red Hulk in trailers that moment would have been more exciting.

The reshoots were too obvious. You can see that Marvel went in the middle of the road with its message. One of the things I pointed out to my friend was Ross' tie, which was red and blue. It's remarkably tone-deaf with the current political situation.

They should've done more with Isiah Bradley and Sabra's characters. Tim Blake Nelson was wasted here. You have one of the best character actors as your main villain, and you underused his talents.

Ford just did a money grab, and they really could've done better with Mackie's action scenes. Red Hulk was pure fan service, and they knew it was the only way to get butts in seats.

I think Thunderbolts will be okay, and Fantastic Four, from the looks of it, has the makings of a hit. But this was indeed a Disney+-level film.

All in all, I feel bad for Mackie. He really wants to shine in the role of Cap, but they didn't do a good job helping him.

It does feel like it was neutered for the wrong reasons. Wasn't bad, but didn't say or do much, besides tie in The Incredible Hulk, which I'm not sure too many people were clamoring for?

Even if they had kept whatever the original vision for the movie, I'm not sure this would have been the big hit people wanted from Marvel, because reasons.

cheap, CHEAP look to it.

that made it worse than Quantumania and Eternals. Atleast they had a polished look to them.

this shit looked like they just gave up and released it as-is not wanting to spend any more money on it

Worst part about it was the pointless post credit scene. But it kept moving and got done what it needed to.

Looking forward to Thunderbolts as well.

i expected it to be on the level of Fury’s ambush in The Winter Soldier

How you don't know who one of your major bad guys is when you *go into production* is completely baffling to me, but it explains why much of that looked so choppy.

There's always nitpicky shit when you have the knowledge from the comics. The whole point of Red Hulk is that he's supposed to keep his intelligence when he hulks out.

I was expecting some creepy Canadian government fucker to be licking his lips every time they mentioned adamantium, or some slight mention of a Canadian super-soldier program.

Big picture-wise, I wonder if they're building to the Avengers story arc from a few years ago where the universes collapsed into each other.

These movies used to be 1) good and 2) major events

I have no idea what this movie was about - adamantiun, geopolitics , an evil scientist oh my

The CGI is comparable to Grand Theft Auto

Mackey may be a good actor I don’t know, but if he is the script is so light you’ll never tell one way or another. He does nothing legitimately heroic, they just keep telling you he’s special.Whatever

Harrison Ford is the lone bright spot. He should actually go make one more great movie and try to win an Oscar with his old ass, he’s fuckin hoopin throughout this whole trash movie

Did you know Hispanic Falcon kid is from Miami? He’s from Miami guys.

Lastly, the decision to underpin this movie in aftershocks from the Eternals and Incredible Hulk (15 years old) is far out.

Deadline projected it to top out around 450 mil worldwide, which, given the production + marketing budget, would almost certainly amount to a loss of money-- or breakeven at best. And if it can't top that number, it'll end up the third or fourth lowest performing MCU movie worldwide adjusted for inflation.

It's just doing better in theaters than other things due to advertising spend and relative lack of options this time of year.

I really think this is going to be the trend for Marvel going forward, big opening weekends and big dropoffs. Will be interesting seeing how Gunn's Superman does, have a feeling it may outdo Fantastic Four.

Avatar 3 might be the next billion dollar movie tho, don't think Cruise is gonna be as successful either.

... and maybe there'll be times when they don't, but given the public's general skepticism about the "must-see-in-theaters" quality of MCU movies (and maybe superhero IP in general at this point), I think it'll come down to those pre-release write-ups from actual critics (not just the bloggers who all loved The Flash) stirring up honest-to-God enthusiasm.

I think Gunn has a great shot given (a) his track record, which is stellar, and (b) the trailer, which is quite quite good imo.

Fantastic Four trailer has a couple great shots and a cool score, but it's pretty light on what the actual movie will be yet-- so if the next trailer isn't a knockout, I could see a world in which the skepticism continues to carry over. I'm hopeful on that one, though-- even though I didn't love how WandaVision ended (and I'm not in love with the idea that a TV director is helming a project of this magnitude), at least it had genuine vision (no pun intended) for the first few episodes, something the MCU has been lacking lately. Keeping my fingers crossed.

maybe it's D+.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It's enjoyable while not being a great movie at the same time. I think kids especially will enjoy. Comic heads and movie buffs will be a bit annoyed.

The red Hulk fight is fun enough

...is that we're basically back at Affleck Daredevil territory

We're EONS away from Iron Man 1, Guardians 1, and certainly Dark Knight

for a spell these movies really felt like full fledged feature films with real technique

Shit, at this rate, Thunderbolts will be available hella soon.

I wonder how well Thunderbolts would have done if it came out first. I think word of mouth would have helped it a lot had it not followed this movie.

This is basically tied with Thor 2 and Eternal for worst MCU flick imo. Best thing I can say is I didn’t hate the action and it didn’t bore me like those other 2 movies did, but I absolutely hated the story and the reshoots were glaring (and I don’t usually notice that stuff). I thought Falcon and Winter Soldier handled the weight of being a Black Captain America really well compared to this, which just paid lip service to that while trying not to piss off MAGA viewers. And lol @ not giving the President any political platform whatsoever. I don’t expect a Disney movie to have radical politics or anything, but yeesh.

It was very confusing to me how Sam went from being very reluctant to work for a President who has treated him like shit and clearly doesn’t share his worldview to saying “so that’s it? You’re not gonna have me on board just cause my friend tried to kill you?” What??? Get the hell out of there and clear your friend’s name on your own! The dude put you in supervillain jail and would gladly do so again if it served his purposes.

I thought it was just an arc they were going for at the start of the movie but they really were trying to make Pres. Ross likable. Incredibly tone deaf in 2025.

I'm not gonna lie, I couldn't tell you the climax of this movie if you put a gun to my head. I stopped paying attention for a few minutes and when I looked up everyone was high fiving and all the plot points were seemingly resolved. wtf?

Yeah saw it again streaming now and it just gets worse.

Noticed they never mention a Vice President either, wtf is in charge now? San way too nice to this mf who never had his or his friends back. I think it missed not having Hurt as well, Harrison Ford took me out of it, but those cherry blossoms worked I guess.

He prolly won't get another.