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746360, RE: I definitely get that perspective...
Posted by navajo joe, Fri Oct-14-22 10:26 AM
>I'm not even going to talk about the sequels first - because
>those had SOOOOOOOOOO many problems that went beyond just the
>writing and the characters both new and old.
>
>But for example if you look at Mandalorian and Book of Boba
>Fett. Mandalorian is GREAT when using new characters and
>telling new stories. Even when it uses existing characters,
>it's great when they are using rarely seen smaller characters
>in stories. Where it started to go off track IMO is in the
>second season bringing in SO many legacy characters. Same
>thing in the entire premise of Book of Boba.

Points well taken. I didn't have a ton of issues with the legacy characters in Mandalorian. I'm a little more forgiving of that show based on its ambitions and purpose. It's not really a show I give much thought to after it ends than say an episode of The Rifleman and I don't say that as a knock.

Where it does grind to a halt for me is when it tries to explore Mandalore culture and expand that. None of that shit is about as interesting as midichlorians to me.

I didn't watch much of BOB because what I did see was....not good on multiple levels.


>Going back to the sequels though - beyond the fact that they
>had no idea what they were doing with the overall story and
>wasted what should/could have been GREAT new characters (and
>going back to Force Awakens, they WERE great characters except
>for the mystery box crap) those films also had the issue of
>balancing time between the legacy characters and those new
>characters. They wanted to give enough time to get to know the
>new characters, and to do that felt they had to explain why
>the old characters weren't on screen as much. And that
>combined with not knowing where they were going with Rey,
>Finn, or Poe, it was disaster.

They really fucked that into a cocked at and did each one of those characters AND actors a great disservice. I appreciate Boyega being forthright with his thoughts on how his character was treated both by the creatives and by the fans.


>Contrast that with this - Tony Gilroy has already scripted the
>story of Andor covering 5 years leading right up to Rogue One.
>So everything is planned out - and there could be all kinds of
>foreshadowing going on now that isn't paid off until way down
>the line.



>Absolutely agree regarding going away from "names". As soon as
>this was over I said out loud "who the EFF directed
>this?!?!?!?!?" the name Susana White popped up on the screen,
>I had no idea who she was. So then I looked up the rest of the
>directors:

Which is precisely why I think he and his brother should be given major roles determining in the direction of SW properties moving forward. Granted, I know their work on Andor is more than enough to keep them busy. I hope the success of Andor will at least serve notice as to what is possible and where the focus should be.

Now, I'm not saying everything has to or should be like Andor in terms of tone/scope but as far as creative quality it should be a guiding light.


>https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2022/07/andor-season-one-writers-directors.html
>Toby Haynes directed episodes 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, and 10.
>Susanna White directed episodes 4, 5, and 6.
>Benjamin Caron directed episodes 7, 11, and 12.
>
>As I mentioned several posts up - Gilroy has this show split
>into four three episode arcs. And there's a director handling
>eash of the three episodes in their arcs, with Toby Haynes
>doing two of the four arcs. Genius. And none of these
>directors are "names".


I did the same thing after her first episode. Sometimes you can just tell when a director's block starts because an episode or episodes will just stand out. Breaking Bad and GOT are two obvious examples of this.

That they went with British TV directors was smart. When you review their IMDBs you see they went and got some hitters too. Due to having shortened season orders, often more plot/dialogue-heavy shows and being used to doing more with less, they come out of a system that makes them well-prepared to take on something like Andor.

It'll be interesting to see how Haynes handles his second block because his eps didn't pull me in the way that White's did. But some of that may have been having to kick off a series which can often be the most difficult and thankless task.