https://pressroom.warnermediagroup.com/us/media-release/hbo-max-releasethesnydercut

https://twitter.com/hbomax/status/1263169877847625728

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-snyder-cut-plans-revealed-it-will-be-an-new-thing-1295102

Not sure why fan boys were pushing for this after seeing what he did with Batman V Superman. And i love Man Of Steel but it seems like that movie succeeded because Christopher Nolan was actually involved with the story.

Only thing better than comic book / "canonical" sci-fi movies is complaining about them. People are gonna devour this and live with it later.

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otherwise, why are you posting?

streaming Studio Ghibli...finally

disclaimer: i stan at the altar of Snyder flicks
i dont think his stuff is the best but it hits everything i am looking for.

Same exact movie - just 2 hours of added slo-mo scenes.

Look - cyborg AND the flash both were awful in this film.

Watch Doom Patrol instead.

plus they're spending $20-30 million, and Whedon absolutely made changes to the film Snyder was going to make.

Guess WB didn't get that memo. They're going to sink tens of millions into a project that no one was really asking for.

But hey, free publicity to remind people that HBO Max is indeed launching in two weeks. Viral marketing, bay-bee!

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Well done.

Fired him on bad faith outrage by alt right twitter trolls, then ended up walking it back.

he was rightfully fired. companies have to protect themselves in case those comments had any weight to them. In the long run, they didn't, and he was brought back.

The guy who peddled "Pizzagate" as hard as he possibily could.

Gunn's comments had come out multiple times before this, and he'd apologized for them multiple times. Cernovich and his alt-right trolls created a bunch of fake Twitter outrage because they were pissed that Gunn was critical of Drumf. Cernovich had done similar efforts before and tried similar things after (unsuccessfully with Patton Oswalt and Sarah Silverman). Disney was just dumb enough to fall for that bait.

I still have no issue with what Disney did, but that is a piece of info I had never heard.

and also before when they'd come up.


it's not an actual question about why the tweets would be a problem for a company like disney, but the biggest problem with their reaction is that there was never any real push for him to be fired, and the only thing that fueled it was their kneejerk reaction

it was just the right wing machine.

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with Shirley Sherrod.

Ugh.

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Like, unless this tells a different story or brings in Darkseid (which I have no clue how they do that) this won't be much more than a color corrected version with some of the added shots put back in. The movie will be slightly different, but not better.

Still, fans can say 'I TOLD YOU SO!!!', so I guess that's something.

some directors need an extended run time to space out and tell a gripping story, but i'm not sure he's one of them. i would love to watch this out of somewhat morbid curiosity, with the theatrical cut being arbitrarily capped at 2 hours without him, and because i mostly like his stuff, but IMO his best movie is under 2 hours (300). i guess at this point i would like to know what he's doing after this. i think overall comic book movie (sorry, guys) fans have spoken, and his vision of them isn't what the people want now. what else does he have up his sleeve?

i vaguely remember people talking about the snyder cut when the film dropped.

but apparently he is gonna do an entirely new cut?

Whenever you dug even sort of deep into stories about it, it came out that Snyder had an original idea for the movie in mind (actually, it was to be two movies), but didn't get to film everything. Part of it was because Warner Bros./DC didn't seem to love his ideas and some of what he did shoot, and part of it was because he had to leave the project due to a family crisis.

After Snyder walked away, Warners Bros. was left with an incomplete movie. They hired Whedon, who did a lot of re-writes and re-shoots. But there Snyder never got a chance to shoot his entire "vision." This is him somehow talking Warner Bros. into giving him the money to do it.

That was the whole point behind the outcry. As toxic as it became, it wasn't based on empty fanboy whining.

Actual people who worked on the film said that it mostly exists, minus a few scenes and SFX.

Deathstroke vs Batman as an ending scene. Also, supposedly the Atom is in the new cut. bottom line is, I have no doubt it will improve greatly on the current film. Snyder said what we saw was only 25% of what he made. Whether it's Howard the Duck or the French Connection, time will tell.

I'm dodging as much of it as I can, but I said on Twitter that people think movies are "trash" because there's so much info that people have cast, filmed, edited, and repeatedly watched movies in their heads multiple times over between the 2-3 years between announcement and release.

https://youtu.be/lPjF9sJcj4A

Actually wasn’t sure if I had streamed it before or not.
Knew I def didn’t see it in a theater because I haven’t liked one of the new DC films starting with Man of Steel.

I got through like an hour, thought it was pretty bad.
Man of Steel was way too dark and violent for a Superman movie - and I like dark takes on characters.
Batman Vs Superman was pretty bad too.

There hasn’t been one villain I’ve liked yet in any of the movies.
Still need to see Wonder Woman.
I got through 40 mins of Joker before I turned it off.


Know not DC but need to see Venom. Was that any good? I heard it’s kind of fun.
And just some proof I actually do like movies lol...
I watched both Spidey movies and liked them both.
As well as Watchmen (and knew nothing about the comic book)

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Justice League cartoon
Justice League Unlimited cartoon
Justice League Action cartoon
Doom Patrol (DC and HBO max)
DC's Legends of Tomorrow

The rest are fucking bummers

Surprisingly good and much better than the CW bullshit.

Which may explain the quality difference.

And then right after the whole 'Swamp Thing' debacle (believe this was prior to HBO Max siphoning off DC Universe content), they just funneled it to the CW.

The kids are dumber than the kids in marvel's Runaways.

might be my favorite of the new DC movies just cuz it doesn't take itself seriously. Aquaman was okay as well and actually preferred it to Wonder Woman which I thought was overrated, villain was awful in it too.


Agree with the animated movies, especially their first Justice League: New Frontier movie did the team way more justice. haha

I mean it's two tones-
Fun and breezy.
Actual on screen murder.

And Gal Gadot has the charisma of a plastic straw

Shazam was probably my favorite DC film recently.

Zack Snyder’s Justice League | Official Tease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6512XKKNkU

And FUCKKKKK the slow mo.

Flash is awful.

Cyborg is awful.

I'll watch it anyways.

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"Hallelujah" in my view, is about the freedom of being destroyed by grace. The freedom that only exists when, realizing that you're basically a useless asshole with nothing to offer anybody, you despair of yourself and can become something, anything, else.

Just a squeaking child's brain. And we're a bunch of hogs snorting it up.

idk what it's supposed to mean or why it was playing in this trailer

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Not sure why he went back to it for this, though.

Because that's the kind of dude he is

His child killed herself during the filming of this movie, which is why he left production when he did. So while it's definitely used ironically in WATCHMEN, here, it's an homage to her, I imagine. (A cover is also in the end credits of the film.)

still think it will be pretty bad tho and more than likely a one time viewing event. Batman V Superman extended cut was slightly better than the theatrical but still wasn't good. Nothing in this trailer looks that good to me.


The Batman looks good to me tho, I'm genuinely excited to see that even tho its probably not anything new.

makes me onboard for this more. I always liked Whedon's stuff but now he ain't looking good here at all. Mamoa spoke up now too about horrible treatment some got during the reshoots.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/jared-leto-to-play-joker-in-zack-snyders-justice-league-exclusive

Jared Leto to Play Joker in Zack Snyder's 'Justice League' (Exclusive)

OCTOBER 21, 2020 11:56AM by Borys Kit

Looks like Leto is getting the last laugh as he joins the shooting of additional scenes for the Snyder Cut.

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Zack Snyder’s new Justice League cut is getting some killer laughs.

Jared Leto, who played classic DC villain The Joker in 2016’s Suicide Squad, has joined the additional photography shooting for the “Snyder Cut,” the filmmaker’s definitive version of the 2017 superhero movie he was forced to exit and he never saw through completion, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

The project, officially titled Zack Snyder's Justice League, is being overseen by HBO Max, which is financing the new round of shooting and the completion of the many unfinished scenes, and will air as a four-episode event series next year.

Shooting is currently underway with Ben Affleck, Ray Fisher, and Amber Heard among those involved on top of Leto. It is unclear which other actors are involved.

Even as the shoot rolls ahead, two producers who were involved with the theatrical movie are quietly moving to the side. Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, then-studio executives who oversaw the movie and the reshoot by Joss Whedon that was meant to salvage the failed movie, will not be receiving producer credits on the Snyder Cut, sources say.

Sources close to Berg and Johns have confirmed the duo’s intention to remove their names from the Snyder Cut since they did not work on this version and are no longer studio executives. The sources also say the move pays respect to Snyder’s creative vision and the additional photography shoot.

It is unclear when Berg's and Johns' segue began. One source said the move began months ago and is unconnected to comments made by Fisher, the actor who played Cyborg in the movie and who has for months accused the two of enabling abuse and misconduct by Whedon on the set of the 2017 reshoots. After vocal and public outbursts on social media even as late as September, Fisher has been less incendiary and posting less frequently.

Leto boarding the Snyder Cut is noteworthy as the character did not appear in the original 2017 movie and raises questions as to how much new content could be included in Snyder’s super-version of Justice League.

It also ties the new cut to Suicide Squad, the all-star DC-based movie that saw Margot Robbie break out as fan-favorite character Harley Quinn and which saw Leto portray Joker as a love-obsessed and glittery crime lord. The picture was exec produced by Snyder and his wife and partner, Deborah Snyder and was meant to tie into an overall DC Cinematic Universe that Snyder had been shepherding.

Truly, we should all be happy for Snyder after all he’s been through that he gets to finally see his vision to the end. The theatrical release was laughably bad, and i don’t know if all the reshoots in the world could salvage it. That said, God bless him for trying and here’s hoping it’s at least a fulfilling experience for him. I probably won’t enjoy this version much more than the original but I’m nonetheless pleased to see this happening. Definitely an unorthodox situation.

That they’re going back to an old universally panned movie and trying to salvage it is interesting enough , even if that movie weren’t about iconic characters we all know and love.

https://pressroom.warnermedia.com/us/media-release/hbo-max/zack-snyders-justice-league-premiere-march-18-hbo-max

https://twitter.com/hbomax/status/1355153736654438405

I had no idea about the 4:3 thing, which the movie opens with a disclaimer about, then I forgot exactly how long 4 hours is when I pressed play at 2AM and I laughed myself to sleep.


I'll take a new Justice League every three years if he can keep changing it in completely arbitrary but increasingly ludicrous ways.


I love that he mentioned possibly making a black & white version because at time I was squinting at the screen unsure if it wasn't already black & white.


(This shit does look a lot more like comic book panels for what it's worth.)


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I endured it for Mid-90s and The Lighthouse but I do not see the point. some latte jerkoff shit.

He doesn't understand how IMAX works so the whole movie has been pillarbox-ed to match what you'd see on a giant IMAX screen capable of the 1.4:3 aspect ratio.


It's incredibly stupid considering when a film shot in IMAX comes to home media usually switch between letterbox for regular aspect ratio and cropped 1.78 to give you the feel of IMAX. And it works.

The Academy aspect ratio used here and for The Lighthouse and Mid90s is hilarious. The Lighthouse is trying to make a claustrophobic film feel more closed in as well as emulate films of the past, and I get what Mid90s was trying to do with its intimacy.

this shit was bad and boring

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It's a slog so far. Will try and finish tomorrow. Pretty sure I know what my verdict will be

Even with reshoots factored in. Maybe I'll give this a watch and see if I'm proven wrong.

So in that sense, it's sort of better, but then the stuff they add to make the story coherent are often not the most interesting things about the movie. At some times it almost feels like it wants to be part of the Terminator franchise REALLY badly?


I started to think about it kind of like a podcast, I just had it on in the background and would occasionally look up and go, "wow, that's what's going on right now?"


Also, WW84 really hurts this movie retroactively because you just can't unsee how mismanaged this version of her character is. She's clinically insane! And since there's more exposition and down time, Gadot's gotta do more than look stoic and cock her head to the side and she's not much good at that.


All that said, if you're a fan of a hot mess, this mess is super hot. The original is probably still a better "I just gotta feel lousy and watch some trash" watch but there's a ...charm?... to what Snyder's got going on here. There's a lot of unintentional comedy, sometimes even when they're going for comedy!


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Where the actual version turns into a masterpiece and shows how the studio actually bungled a good product. This is still hot garbage, just extended, and a little less hot garbage.

Cyborg is the core of the fucking movie and he's an afterthought in Whedon's version. No wonder that was painfully lacking for coherency.

fuck it give Snyder the bag, give Batfleck your first born kids and let Zack finish his story out. This movie prove WB was the problem all along

most of the cut scenes it seems to me involved women or non-white characters. Cyborg was robbed by Whedon.

Some people enjoy chit'lins. Others don't have the taste for them. Those that do love them claim the reason those that don't like chit'lins is because they haven't had them prepared right. They need to have Grandma Ethadel's chit'lins, because she soaks them for a week, brines them in buttermilk, marinades them in vinegar, serves them with fresh collards and her homemade hot sauce and diabetes level sweet tea. And those people wait all year to get to Grandma's house and enjoy every moment of her culinary experience.

But they're still eating pig guts.

For the record, I am not a fan of chitterlings, at all. Never had been, never will. And this isn't to say that Zack Snider's Justice League is as unpalatable to be as pig intestines, because not much is that bad. But, no matter who directed, re-wrote, re-shot, re-edited this movie, be it Wheden, Snider, or any of the myriad WB execs that had their hand in making both products what they were, you have the same basic movie at it's core, and the same flaws in story. Snider's version makes it a more coherent movie, but it doesn't make it a better movie by any means. As happy as DC and Snider fanboys will be they finally have their best version of the film, sitting through FOUR FREAKING HOURS of film is not going to change anybody's mind if they didn't like or didn't care about the Wheden version. I don't think there's much vindication in Snider's vision for the DCEU, nor do I think there's a change this movie will swing WB/DC's plans for the characters going forward or garner enough fan support to even entertain the thought. I've got more on the details, but will hold off for now. I've got Falcon & Winter Soldier to watch.


But I will say this: The Snider cut could easily have been 3 hours if the cut out SO MUCH F*CKING SLO MO. I'll watch a movie worth of JJ Abram's style lens flare before I sit through anything like that again.

>But I will say this: The Snider cut could easily have been 3
>hours if the cut out SO MUCH F*CKING SLO MO. I'll watch a
>movie worth of JJ Abram's style lens flare before I sit
>through anything like that again.

It made no sense whatsoever. The opening scenes were so tough to get though with everything in slow-mo, and knowing that I have 4 hours to get through at that pace just made it feel like a chore. Maybe I'll go back to watch with the intention of only watching one hour at a time.

Epilogue was too long, but it was fan service in addition to obviously setting up the Snyderverse....

I've just seen so much shit that's all the same, that when it feels like somebody's going for something, anything, in a movie... I tend to remain more fascinated.

That's not to say it's good necessarily. But witnessing the unbridled vision of a guy, especially compared to the truly dreadfully boring and flat version released in theaters... I gotta say, I was mostly into it.

Probably *because* it was released on streaming, though-- if I'd seen this in theaters for four hours, some of the grace notes that I kinda enjoyed here, like the Scandinavian women singing to Aquaman, would've made me pull my hair out.

The CGI characters are still largely distractingly bad, but the colors and visuals are generally much improved here. I dug the "seriousness" of the movie-- I rewatched Batman V Superman recently, and I actually quite enjoyed the first two-thirds (basically everything until the Batman-Superman fight), because when Snyder's not lost in how cool it looks when things are hit super hard, he's built a pretty distinctive world tonally for these superheroes that we haven't really seen in movies/TV like this. (At least, not outside of Watchmen, that is to say.) So even though much of the philosophizing can be ponderous... again, I'm kind of at the point where ponderous over-reaching doesn't bother me as much, personally.

And the action is generally improved here. The scene with the Amazonians is great, full stop. I'm not sure if Whedon just brightened the whole thing, but the images in the first Justice League look *really* flat, like a TV pilot, compared to this movie. Say what you will about the slo-mo and the darker sheen and what have you, but it does create depth of image, clarity of movement, and this idea that these motherfuckers are *gods*.

God help me, I'd be interested to see where this goes, if only because, well, these aren't really the characters I know, for the most part. I'm used to a certain Superman, a certain Lex Luthor, a certain etc... and Snyder, for better and for worse, is doing his own thing. One of my favorite moments in the Whedon Justice League was Superman's entrance into the final fight, because it felt like *the Superman I know*... but it's clear upon revisit that that just isn't what this franchise is going for. So I need to stop fighting it and see what interesting meat Snyder can pull off these bones. And in fits and starts, he's doing interesting things here.

It will definitely be interesting to see if Snyder can spin the positive reception this is getting into getting WB to fund the next movie. At a time when IP is at an all-time premium, they can't just *not* make movies about these characters. And I think a reboot would be treated with pretty heavy skepticism, tbh. I don't know how to feel about acquiescing to the army of hateful trolls, and I don't know if I'd actually *enjoy* a movie like this in theaters. I've disliked more of Snyder's movies than I've liked. I still don't like Man of Steel, even though I've come around on the first two-thirds of BvS and I mostly vibed with what was happening here. But I can't deny that I'm fairly intrigued any time we can get a filmmaker's unfiltered vision, for better or worse. I'd rather see a swing for the fences and a giant whiff than something fine but entirely forgettable at this point.

(tl;dr: fascinating experience, good and bad things here, prob wouldn't have liked in theaters, interested to see where both the story and WB go from here)

I can't understand people saying this is a good, some say great, movie. Was the original THAT bad that no matter how this movie turned out people were gonna think it was good in comparison? Probably so.

Fuck it's terrible. Visuals are so amateur. The dialogue? Oh God.

Only thing positive is it has a more cohesive story and plot, but that isn't saying much.

Awful.

.

This is something that I think would have really aggravated me in the theater (like the Hobbit sequels) but was actually enjoyable enough spread out over a few nights (like the Hobbit sequels). Streaming seems like the ideal format for this kind of thing.

wouldve watched the whole thing but i had to go deal w/ a jacked up doordash order

Yeah. Felt like leaving this bit out of the title 'cause it's embarrassing as hell but I have a weird comfort level with this specific movie, which is why I said I could honestly be cool with Snyder eventually having three or four different cuts of this movie. It's such a bizarre thing to me in both forms so far. Anyway...


I watched about 2.5 hours night one after post-shift drinks and fell asleep.
Then I rewatched it in full the next day.
Then I watched it in two parts with The Ringer's The Big Picture staff doing live commentary ala Film & 40s / Red Letter Media / MST3K over the past two days. I was also playing Civilization VI and not fully paying attention these times.


I really don't know what it is about this movie, in either form, that I find pretty comfortable to just sit and let wash over me. I definitely hate the first cut and find this one a monumental waste of time overall, and yet...


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I was too distracted and it looked like it was actually pretty decent.

I got pretty drunk and watched the rest and had a great time.

I think I would have hated if I had to sit through this at a theater. Although, I hate going to the movies in general anyway.

And it was definitely better as a streaming experience bc I could pace myself.

https://www.joblo.com/movie-news/snyder-cut-justice-league-blac-and-white

Snyder would give himself oral if he could, it'd be in 4:3 and black and white.

So self-serious. So... much... slow... motion... So little of just about everything else.

I came into this was no frame of reference, meaning that I've never seen the WB-approved Whedon cut of the movie. And the central argument that lots of people seem to be advancing is that this version is good because the other one sucked. Well, all I know is that this sucks just fine on its own.

There are many, many problems with it, but the aforementioned self-seriousness of it all really stands out right now. Comic book movies can be serious movie. Superhero movies can be serious movies. But they should be serious in a way that's interesting or compelling, and this... was not. It's mostly just overlong with way too many shitty music cues. And the nightmare section near the end served no real purpose either.

So, hooray for Snyder for getting to realize his "artistic vision," I guess. The guy may love Ayn Rand, but still seems to have a tenuous grasp on superheroes. And I imagine the lesson anyone is going to take from this is toxic fanbases can get rewarded if they whine enough.

a few cringe moments like most movies have. if only DC had released this instead of Whedon's, DC might look a lot different.

but this was shit.

it looks like complete dogshit that was rendered on someone's iphone

the story is shit

the action is shit

there's nothing that isn't shit

maybe it's less shit than some other version that was even worse, but that's not good

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"Presented in 4:3 to preserve the director's creative vision." GTFOH

i wanna see it in black and white too. definitely watching it a third time this weekend.

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plenty of people loved Synders version, so there's no reason to act like people are lying by saying they like or love this version.

y'all will have to live with me not believing you

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It's structured like a miniseries, so in a way I don't understand the complaints about length. It's designed to be left off and picked up at the checkpoints. Maybe that's cheating since it's one piece, but the result is a story and characters that make way more sense.

My complaints are:

1) that Martian Manhunter is thrown in to no effect. If he's just in a post-credits scene, fine, but why tease him halfway through the movie if he doesn't show up in the final battle?
2) yikes! Leto is terrible. Plus the Knightmare scene completely undercuts the previous Deathstroke scene if you know he works with Batman in the future.
3) speaking of, I like Deathstroke, but he doesn't feel like a threat to Batman after this movie, even without the League involved.

You know how we know? This was his vision for the theatrical release LOL


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How many movies add in easy checkpoints for you to leave/re-enter the story? Hardcore fans may watch it in one sitting. I doubt that’s even 20% of viewers.

>You know how we know? This was his vision for the theatrical
>release LOL
>

Sure, but you’re assuming he expected his full vision to be approved when that never happens for any director in a big budget movie. No one gets a 4 hour movie in theaters and I don’t think he has a big enough ego to think he’d be the exception. Had he stayed on they MIGHT have let him get close to 3 hours, but even that is a little unlikely. Warner gave him free rein on this version specifically because it was hitting a streaming service and not the big screen.

but this format, story length was made for his original vision to be put in theatres. So you still have to view it as a movie made for those screens.

Some really good Wonder Woman fight scenes.

But I just didn't like the story and none of the villains filled me with any sense of dread the way you know who did.

No desire to watch that shit again.

https://www.polygon.com/movies/22350009/justice-league-justice-is-gray-black-and-white-version-hbo-max


“My ideal version of the movie is the black-and-white IMAX version of the movie,” Snyder told YouTube channel TheFilmJunkee back in November 2020. “That to me is the most fan-centric, most pure, most Justice League experience. Because that’s how I lived with the movie for two years, in black and white.”

Not since Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow has a modern action movie gone to such great lengths to appear as a relic of the past. Justice League: Justice Is Gray, black and white and in 4:3, is now out on HBO Max.


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Here, you get more motivation for Stapleman (that's what my wife called him looking at his costume), which makes him less generic. Not sure how he's getting 50,000 worlds, but....whatever. His glowing eye 'rage mode' did no good though as he got punched, heat visioned, impaled and decapitated. everybody has to have something to do, I guess.

But Darkseid though...

Making him the one that lost the battle of the old world doesn't make him look good. Yeah he Omega beams a Lantern, but he gets hit with a bunch of lightning blasts, arrows to the chest (which Stapleman snapped off with his armor, BTW), and chopped in the shoulder by one of King Arthur's men, maybe? Then gets dragged back to his ship by his cronies, leaves the Motherboxes, and forgets where this world is that he took his biggest L? Nah son. You ain't a killa.

Bringing in the anti-life equation makes it even worse. This has always been the thing Darkseid wants more than anything else. He's going to forget (or, maybe never know) it was on the same place he got his ass beat? Better still, he's going to let his lackey, who they don't trust and believe in, get the one thing he wants most in the universe? The hell with the boxes, I'm coming to get that equation myself.

There's plenty of other stuff that doesn't work, like attacking earth now that Supes is dead, but there was a SHITLOAD of time between Darkseid getting his ass beat and Superman showing up on earth as a baby when he could have gone back and torn the earth a new one with nothing to stop him. But that's more to the core of the story problem of this movie, which the Snider cut or the Josstice League cut still has

I still haven't made it past the first 30 minutes. But I can't remember a film with views this divisive with such strong opinions on both sides (and not just on OKP, all over social media and pro reviewers.)

I'll try watching again this weekend. I really couldn't get past all the slo-mo and the 4:3 ratio.

..The divide is mostly generated by people who want to believe that the DCU is on par with MCU and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Its not too late for DCU, but they're gonna need more than a behemoth film to gain ground.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

just the regular DC stans M or people who have anti-MCU agendas. Maybe it’s just me - but in the couple Reddit subs I follow on movies, my personal friends, and even in this post the people I’ve seen liking the Snyder cut aren’t just those typical people you’d expect to be backing DCEU stuff.

Again, I haven’t gotten past 30 minutes of it yet because it feels like such a chore to watch. Also as I think through it, it makes sense that there’s be a strong divide here because the original was universally panned, and this version is so much different - it’s really unusual to have a new version of a movie come out which is so drastically different (not just a director’s cut.) So it makes sense that some people would be impressed - regardless of it being good or bad - just because it’s either better than the original or because they are impressed with how different it is.

All that being said, the divide I’m is still around 70/30 against it. It’s just interesting to me that the 30% REALLY like it.

..is that Snyder's version is better than the Whedon's, but that doesn't make it a good movie lol.

One was really bad and one was slightly better than bad(in principle).

While Snyder's version improved the cinematography & choreography, both films falter because of poor writing. Its been more than 15 yrs since Batman Begins and Warner Bros still can't find a solid arch to work with. On top of that, all of their current villians are 2 dimensional clowns (at best). Heath Ledger was the lone exception, proving that the DCEU has more than enough source material to keep pace with the MCU. What they lack is patience.




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in that the people on the positive side aren't actually feeling that it's a "good" movie, just expressing surprise on how much better it is in specific aspects - like Cyborg's character development or Steppenwolf's motivation, etc. while people on the other side are like "nah though - it still sucks."

>..The divide is mostly generated by people who want to
>believe that the DCU is on par with MCU and that couldn't be
>farther from the truth.
>

Why assume that people who like a thing have an agenda just cause you dislike it? Sure there’s vocal Snyder fans who drive that DCEU vs. MCU convo on Twitter, but I think it’s a small portion of filmgoers. I like Snyder, not in love with him, but I think it’s worth noting that his “director’s cut” of both BvS* and Justice League were much better than the theatrical cuts, albeit very lengthy.

*It was called “Ultimate Edition” for BvS but I think he had a big say in it.

..I know that some people simply liked the movie. I didn't assume anything, I'm referring to real dialogue i've experienced with others. Also, I never said I didn't like the film, I simply stated that it wasn't good (both things can be true). None of that changes the fact that the film was a colossal failure.




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And missed the movie for the message its completion sends.

It was legitimately weird, and once I'd seen the movie twice truly quizzical, that critics who were ambivalent to big mad about the original movie were saying things like its a cinematic painting or got a little swept up in the "visionary" aspect compared to Marvel and wanted to use this as a soapbox about superhero movies more generally. Justice League is still the biggest, shiniest example of why we don't need so damn many movies about costumes and aliens.

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>Justice League is still
>the biggest, shiniest example of why we don't need so damn
>many movies about costumes and aliens.

I disagree. There's plenty of room for more movies of every genre. JL just proves that you can't microwave entertainment when you want an audience to tune in for the long haul.


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that isn't four hours of shit

this just isn't that

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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DC put the kibosh on the Ava Duvernay/Tom King flick coming out anytime soon because WB thought their versions of the characters would be released too soon after the Snyder Cut?

A movie with the potential to be actually interesting gets derailed by mediocrity masquerading as "vision" pretty encapsulates this whole clusterfuck.

Given the state of affairs in the DCEU and the world in general at the time, there is no way this would have worked in 2017 if Snider had stayed on to release a trimmed version of this (because there was no way this was being released as a 4 hour epic, and splitting this version into 2 movies wouldn't have worked either). There wouldn't be the backlash from Snider/DC fans about Josh's handling of things, which may have driven slightly better word of mouth. But it's still a bad story, full stop, which, while more financially viable, would still have been mollywhopped by Ragnarock in a week and likely would have driven Aquaman and WW84 in different directions (for better or worse).

With hindsight you can play 'what if' any way you want. But there is no way, in the face of Ragnorak, BP, and IW, that DC/WB pull the plug on their plans if this releases in 2017

This was much better than the first, I enjoyed the focus on Cyborg and was glad to see what Wonder Woman wasn't violently opposed to resurrecting Supes. Flash was cool, Aquaman was about the same, at least from what I recall in the first movie. CGI was shitty but much of DC has been like that.

Was this a good movie? No, it was way too long with a lot of fat. Nightmare sequence was an absolute waste. It's EARLY to try to set up the Tower of Babel storyline. Could it have been a tighter film? For sure. We don't need 4 hours if you have the PATIENCE to make standalone or crossover Flash, Cyborg, Wonder Woman, Aquaman films and a tighter Dawn of Justice flick.

I'm so so so tired of hearing about "DC is too dark," man FOH. Half the fucking world getting snapped out IS REALLY FUCKING DARK! Marvel wins simply because they invested the time in storytelling to make you care. Had DC taken the time to build this universe, rather than just making movies to lead into the Justice League, everything would have been so much tighter.

DC has a chance to regain its footing (I haven't seen WW1984 btw) but it needs to take time and stop trying to make it a race.

... Ray Fisher is terrible in this.

Cyborg is a terrible character.

In the Joss Justice League, in Doom Patrol , in Teen Titans and in Young Justice he's easily my least favorite. (I haven't watched the Snyder cut yet - I'm going to though.)

Too many issues and very little experience. He's young, sad/mad, daddy issues an no real upsides to make him someone I want to watch.

It’s weird the push DC has had with him over the past ten years or so. It’s like Marvel and Moon Knight. Almost like they both made a Duke Brothers bet on what D lister on their roster they could make a star.

but John Stewart is right there.

I know Imm biased but Cyborg will always be a Teen Titan to me. His call up to the majors never sat right.

Let's not act like it's out of the realm of reasonability to make Moon Knight pop on screen.

I’m just saying they’ve been pushing him since the late 90s to no success. But you’re right, I have no doubt that Oscar Issac is gonna do that work for them.

but....he's not very good

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Regardless of the material he was given to work with, it was not a great performance. Doesn't negate his rant against Joss and WB, but still...

I enjoyed this one a lot more than the theatrical cut but I would not move forward with the Synderverse. If I was DC/Warner I would think outside of the box and film a Booster Gold movie where he goes back into time and mistakenly changes the timeline. I wouldn't even get into the multiverse with fans, just reset this shit and start over. I

If they go the multiverse route they need to tie in their television shows. The Flash TV show addressed it last season and had an appearance by Ezra Miller, but it would be cool if they went deeper and had a multiverse map for all the recent film/TV movies and shows like this unofficial one https://i.redd.it/05ffg2iryk651.jpg . It would really be cool they historically included shows and started with Batman (1966) or even Adventures of Superman (1952) somewhat like this one https://i.redd.it/61e2vduj3be51.jpg .

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I need DC universe to have a little more color and a little less slo-mo.

If the universe would all change and the Question notices and gets on the case and finds it was Booster Gold - well then I'll pay double!

I love Booster Gold and if done right I think people not familiar with the comic would as well. I would love it if the Question notices the change, figures out it was Booster Gold, but ultimately decides the change is for the better.


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