Just got confirmed for a press screening happening very soon.

Spoilers are gonna fly soon too, so try to keep that in here and the other thread can be spoiler free.

Less than a week y'all!

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It's the first time the movies have felt as large as the cartoons and comics.

(By large, I mean in regards to like, Jedi Temples and the sort)

Game of Thrones finale - disappointing but at least we got there
Endgame - satisfying

Man this was a year of franchise finales. Now we get Star Wars to finish up. I'm excited.

Reaction on this movie.

:-(

I trust bwood's opinion. But at the same time...

It's a Star Wars film. The only one I flat out thought was butt was Solo. Otherwise they were all a good ride, even if they turned out to be disappointing in hindsight. It'll at least be fun, especially if you're going on opening night with all the other nerds. It's an event movie. Enjoy the rollercoaster.

Or just to promote with the exclusive clip they adding to the episode?

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And that's about it.

Y’all know how much I love Star Wars. After The Last Jedi, I was really excited to see where this final chapter could go not beholden to the past. Well, here we are now with J.J. Abrams back at the helm and… it’s exactly what I feared when they announced J.J. was coming back.

Now I’m giving you all a fair warning. What follows is spoilers. Yes, even my brief plot summary of the film has spoilers. So if you want out now, I will tell you that the more I sat with The Rise of Skywalker, the more I don’t like it. It suffers the same problem as Solo and The Force Awakens except amplified. It’s too much of a love letter to the past instead of forging its own path like the last film did with fan service galore. Not to mention a plot that is severely convoluted.

Now spoiler warning. Seriously I’ll be diving deep here so again spoilers.

Emperor Palpatine (Ian McDormand) recruits Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) to seek out and destroy Rey (Daisy Ridley) and to lead the greatest army in the galaxy with the Final Order. Meanwhile, Rey, Finn (John Boyega), and Poe (Oscar Issac) are seeking out the various items to the Emperor’s location to take him down once and for all.

First, let’s start off with the things I liked. I had a blast whenever Finn and Poe were on screen together. I had an even better time when Rey was in the mix. All three of them together. Lots of cool action that drives there relationship and seeing the three of them together made this film soar.

However, this should’ve been explored much, much more in the previous two films. The fact that these three spend time together and really get to know each other in the last film speaks volumes about the lack of vision in this trilogy.

Richard E. Grant as General Pryde is the most menacing villain in this film. I came away asking why wasn’t he in the whole trilogy? He has a presence that’s severely lacking with the other villains. That’s partially due to how much this film is doing and partially due to again no roadmap on how they wanted this trilogy to go.

With The Last Jedi being such a radical reset, this story could’ve gone anywhere. And instead of it being unexpected, it feels like attending the final concert of a legendary artist being told: “Shut up and play the hits!”.

Having Emperor Palpatine come back and being the one pulling the strings in this sequel trilogy is so lazy and contrived. Narratively, it doesn’t make sense. The one thing I’ve noticed is a lot of franchises have been pulling the “It’s me Austin” trick in which a legendary or noted villain comes into the picture and was the puppetmaster for three or more films. Not only is that lazy, but it makes no cotdamn sense. And no, they never explain why or how he survived the events of Return of the Jedi. Him coming back as a Force ghost would’ve made much more sense. Considering where the film takes Palpatine is so ridiculous why even bother?

My biggest beef here is with Kylo Ren. After The Last Jedi made clear he is the villain only for that to be completely undone by the third act of this film. In fact, most of Kylo’s journey is just because. There’s no rhyme or reason for him rebuilding his helmet. No emotional motivation or explanation is given other than J.J. being upset with what Rian did in The Last Jedi (which seems is a lot).

The Knights of Ren are in it and I have no idea who or what they are. It’s a point to a big problem that this film and The Force Awakens suffers (And most of J.J.’s work suffers from). Things are in here or happen without any logic or reason. No explanation is ever given for how Maz (Lupita Nyong'o) acquired Luke’s lightsaber. There’s something Finn wants to tell Rey the entire film. Even Poe wants to know. And we’ll never know cause J.J. doesn’t care to take at least two minutes to resolve that. I’m guessing it’s Finn wanting to tell Rey he loves her but fuck if I know. There’s a new droid named D-O and in the grand scheme of things, the time spent with D-O could’ve been used to solve other things. At least Keri Russell’s new character of Zorii Bliss serves a purpose. Same with Naomi Ackie’s Janna who is really cool.

The plot of this film is all over the place. It’s like a kid who hated The Last Jedi snorted a pixie stick and was set loose. Convoluted to say the least. Everyone is chasing something that leads to something else. It’s a Russian doll of McGuffains. This film need to be two at the least as there are five movies worth of (half-baked) material in here that needs to not only satisfy this trilogy but the previous two as well. Sure the breakneck speed that this film moves at works in its favor, but nothing is given time to breathe and develop.

If you’re wondering why I haven’t mentioned Rose (Kelly Marie Tran), or the return of Lando (Billy Dee Williams), or even Leia (the late Carrie Fisher) is because why bother they’re there and then gone. Rose especially is relegated to the sidelines. Leia is the emotional backbone of the film, but with her unfortunately not in it enough, some of the film’s biggest emotional beats fall flat.

This sequel trilogy is a bust. All three films are at war with each other and don’t feel narratively cohesive. Even as an ending to the whole saga, it doesn’t feel like an ending as this film proves nothing ever ends. The Rise of Skywalker even contradicts itself at points (sometimes in the same moment). It’s a fan service film meant to please a certain subset of fans especially with one particular moment between two characters that had me audibly groan so loud, that people laughed hard. It’s like J.J. went on Twitter and said let’s fix this and tell the story of what the second film should’ve been and end it on the terms J.J. wanted. Return of the Jedi is a much more satisfying conclusion to the entire saga than this is. Even the final battle of Return of the Jedi is better. These three trilogies are interesting. The OG trilogy is one man’s ambition come to life in a spectacular fashion. The prequel trilogy is a lesson on having too much power and too many yes men around you. And this one is what you get when you’re too beholden to the past and no clear vision on what you want your overall arc of your story to be.

At least Avengers: Endgame delivered cause between Game of Thrones, Glass, and now The Rise of Skywalker endings in 2019 have been garbage.

Reading this just makes me go, "This is why they should've just given the new Trilogy to Dave Filoni. Dude has proven with Clone Wars, Rebels, and Resistance that he can take SW and do something new to move the story along while also keeping the things that make the SW twitards happy.

I have mixed feelings about TLJ and I didn't like TFA because it was obviously ANH retread and this review sounds like what I thought TRSW it would be. Now given I'll be in the seats on Thursday but at this point, I am disappointed in how Disney has handled the franchise.

So far Rogue One seems to be the only new film that did it right.

Even though I know that I probably am. I'm sorry but Kennedy should've placed the end of the saga in hands that had handled the franchise before and gave J.J. and Rian their own SW stuff to work with as standalone films or whatever. All I can hope is that with KF supposed to be involved with the franchise now he can help right the ship with JF and DF.

This was probably to be expected, but one of the best things by far about The Last Jedi was that it set up the idea that you don't need to have special lineage to be the next great Jedi. IMO that was the whole point of the movie. I didn't read your spoiler review but if Rey is a Skywalker which she obviously is, it shits all over that idea.

We'll have to wait for the next Star Wars trilogy to get great Jedi battles that have nothing to do with a Skywalker.

I'm still going to enjoy this tomorrow night, just riding on sheer fan service. But damn.

in TFA I thought was a dead give away, even as I was ataching TFA a few years ago.

It was exactly how Palpatine used it in the prequels and unlike any other lightsaber user in the past. I wonder if JJ had already decided in TFA that she was related to palp?

I also thought Finn wanted to tell Rey that he loved her, but when the big kiss happens at the end, I realized that they were definitely not going to go there. When Rey hugs Finn AND Poe in the end, it was the final straw in me disliking the movie.

What a letdown.

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JJ's my dude but I'm embarrassed for him and everyone involved with this.

This felt like Batman & Robin. Time for a nice looong reset.

I agree with most of what bwood said about this film. I'm just going to call this J.J. Abrams version of Return of the Jedi. He made this to appease the backlash from TLJ and that's where this failed in a major way. He could've still tried to appease those that didn't like TLJ and took elements from that film to move the series in a good direction. This was just more retread stuff.

There's more I want to add but I gotta watch it again tonight. My major issue is with Kathleen Kennedy and Disney. They should've had a plan on how they wanted this Trilogy to go and here it seems like they didn't and went with knee jerk reactions to the previous film(s) backlash. As much as we can all like or dislike the prequels, at least Lucas had a clear vision of where he was going with those films.

Also, bwood didn't lie about the Rey parentage thing. I groaned like a motherfucker

LIke serious J.J. that's what you guys came up with.

And the most frustrating thing is that there’s actually a good story in there somewhere. But this movie tried to do WAY too much in one film and made it completely obvious that there was no overall plan for the trilogy.

And I LOVE Star Wars. All of it.

I hated how bland this movie was and decided to actually look at Abrams filmography. Its easy to forget dude has never actually made a great innovative movie....ever. He's vanilla and safe and he somehow managed to make a boring ass Star Wars movie.

Too heavy on the nostalgia. Too many stories. That Ben/Rey kiss what the entire hell. People in the audience were legit like “wha”. So many minor characters that served no purpose. *insert John Boyega yelling REY or YEA*

A part of me wants to see it again but with SO much edited. Now to read what yall said

And THAT was awkward

If you’re going to make TLJ then that needs to be the first film of this series. This is where the whole series goes wrong. I didn’t much like TLJ and it doesn’t hold up well to repeated viewings but it had some interesting ideas that could have worked if it was the first movie and had to more movies to flush out all those ideas.

You can almost watch TFA, TLJ, and RoS completely independent of each other and in any order and not miss much.

it's a terrible star wars movie and a god fucking awful movie in general

as bad as TPM could be, Podracing and Obi Wan & Qui Gon vs Darth Maul are excellent. this movie has nothing redeemable about it.

at all

I mostly had issues with the first act and the last bit of it.

The first act was a mess, especially the first 15 or 20 minutes. The stuff reintroducing the Emperor seemed thrown together and poorly edited. Like it was supposed 30 minutes of plot compressed into 5 minutes. Second issue was the leftovers of Carrie Fisher. Digitally inserting her into the movie felt really slapdash and every time they showed her on screen it was painfully obvious that all of her "dialogue" was out of context. Having Lupita there to "translate" for you also didn't work.

I think things found the right rhythm once they found Lando. And especially afterwards when they got swallowed by the quicksand. They seemed like they were actually trying to develop the characters and the worlds and what not. From there, I was good with the story until Rey goes off to meet the Emperor. And bringing back Ford did manage to hit me right in the feels.

Okay, so yeah, making Rey Palpatine's granddaughter was pretty pointless and really the story could have played out the exact same if she really had been the daughter of "no one." The "You are not your past" thing played out through Ren, though I didn't love him having the exact same redemption arc as Vader. As for the kiss, my wife groaned, pretty much everyone in the audience cheered, I didn't care either way (they were building to it in the The Last Jedi, anyone denying that is lying to themselves).

The only other thing I didn't like was the literal hug-fest at the end. Too much pandering, especially Chewie getting the medal from Leia so many years later. However, I did like the final scene on Tatooine.

I think all the "The movie played it too safe! It could have gone anywhere!" complaints are pretty misguided and unrealistic. "The Last Jedi" was a very good movie (significantly better than this one), but the idea that this wasn't going to end with a giant fight against the First Order and the citizens of the galaxy finally heeding the call and striking back is kind of baffling.

So yeah, the weakest film in the new trilogy, but not as bad of a film as some are suggesting.

Im not sure how repeat viewings will be, lots of flaws with it.


ran across this article today, obvious spoilers but laughed at a lot of these.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/20-worst-parts-star-wars-050718610.html

I walked out of the theater far more entertained/satisfied than I had either of the prior two movies. I’m sure part of that is due to no longer caring all that much what happens to these characters, but I enjoyed looking at and listening to this thing.

I’ve kind of come around on the things I really disliked about Last Jedi over the past couple weeks, too. All three of these movies have special little flaws that make them a certain brand of wasted time, but only if you care too much.

Star Wars - this trilogy anyway - is mostly for looking and turns out I’m cool with that.

The Chewie swerve was bullshit though - I can’t remember the last time I went from 120% invested to -80% invested with the snap of a camera cut.

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I guess I'm glad our franchise isn't the only one this dude might have destroyed (fingers still crossed for Picard...). Anyone surprised by pointless and self-defeating fan service must have skipped Star Trek Into Darkness.

It used to be a one side or the other side kinda thing. But he's brought us together. Now the Star Trek fans and the Star Wars fans can all agree on something: JJ Abrams is fucking useless.

I fucking loved it. Nothing that you or critics said I felt was distracting or a problem at all. All this "it shits on Rian's ideas" I didn't even notice. That shit was fun as fuck, cheesy (as always), convenient (as always) and was a perfect ending to the saga for me. I'm more than satisfied.

Superfans screaming : I dont want a Solo movie...give me Dark Empire shit, more EU shit....
Disney: Here ya go *Rise of Skywalker*
Superfans screaming : no give something I want!
Disney: *shrugs*

Also 2019 is the year of the force heal in anything star wars LOL
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People are fucking weird

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It was fun. I’m not hung up on everything making sense, just give me some moments of wonder and a few hours of that good ol Star Wars of entertainment. My family had a good time out.

Yall are going Unnecessarily hard

this is up there with the gravity in space uproar of the last jedi

I love Mandalorian, other than this trilogy it is the best looking star wars shit ever. But everything in that show is "fan service" and tickle our nostalgia taints. As they should. I rewatch the OG trilogy because they remind me ofy childhood. But them shits are bad movies that also dont "make sense" LOL who the fuck cares. The new trilogy is better executed and still don't make sense as they should for continuity.


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I loved it and had actual fun watching it. Mark me for life.

https://www.salon.com/2019/12/20/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-return-to-form-brings-the-saga-to-a-fitting-end/

I don't even think the movie was horrible but I agree with pretty much all of this.

https://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-the-20-worst-parts-of-the-rise-of-skywalker-ix/

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The 20 Worst Parts of ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’

This movie is a mess in a lot of different ways
Phil Owen and Ross A. Lincoln | December 20, 2019 @ 3:47 PM
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(This post contains basically all possible spoilers for “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker.” It’s literally a list of spoilers.)

The wait for “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” is finally over, and while certainly many audiences have loved it, there are also many who woke up this morning full of regrets. This list is for the latter group. All are welcome, of course, but if you liked the movie then our list of things we didn’t like about it will probably make you mad or something.

1. One thousand Death Stars

Late in the movie it’s revealed that this massive fleet of Star Destroyers that Emperor Palpatine pulled out of the ice on Exogol at the beginning of the movie was equipped with Death Star lasers. The reveal is made when one of them blows up a planet for no particular reason. The Resistance folks then briefly huddle up and decide that probably all those ships can do that. That seems like an illogical conclusion to draw, because that would mean the bad guys have an entire fleet of Death Stars, which would be easily the most ludicrous thing that has ever happened in a “Star Wars” movie. But since the issue is never mentioned again we aren’t sure what other conclusion we could come to.

Also Read:
'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' Actually Makes 'The Last Jedi' and 'The Force Awakens' Worse

2. The Rebel fleet from nowhere

To challenge all those Death Stars, the Resistance launches an attack on Exogol with only a Corellian Corvette and like one single fighter squadron and one carrier ship full of troops. Fortunately for them, Lando spent a couple hours flying around the galaxy and casually assembling the biggest fleet we’ve ever seen in any of these movies. That’s absolutely crazy. Lando was not even gone that long.

3. The Emperor returns before the movie starts

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There’s a lot of creative decisions on this movie I can’t even begin to understand, and the most confusing of those is the decision to have Emperor Palpatine make his big return to the galactic stage between movies. How do you bring back a dead character and not even let us see characters reacting to that revelation as it happens? This one actually makes me mad. If you’re gonna cram a whole trilogy of stories in one movie, you still have to start at the beginning.

4. Rey is the Emperor’s granddaughter

The climax of the “Skywalker Saga” was about two Palpatine family members fighting each other. Incredible.

Also Read:
Nothing About Emperor Palpatine's Return in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' Makes Sense

5. Luke and Leia knew about Rey’s lineage the whole time

This is just a confusing bit. When did they learn this important fact? Why had they never done anything with that tidbit of key info? There’s a lot of weird ramifications to their possession of this knowledge, and “The Rise of Skywalker” has no interest in exploring any of them.

6. Leia died for no reason

They decided to kill off Leia in the strangest and low-key way: by calling out through the Force. It took Luke physically projecting himself across the galaxy and doing a lightsaber fight before the effort killed him. How weak are we supposed to think Leia is?

7. The Knights of Ren
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Late in the film, Ben Solo/Kylo Ren is forced to fight his former bros the Knights of Ren in order to earn his redemption. It’s a powerful scene, the culmination of a character arc stretching back three films… is what we’d say if the Knights had like, any role before “The Rise of Skywalker.” They’re in this trilogy for less than 5 minutes, none of them speaks or has any personality, and they don’t even use lightsabers. They basically existed only so we’d know the origin of Kylo Ren’s dorky last name, and when we finally saw them up close, it turns out they dress like the corniest nu metal band of 1996. PASS.

8. The Resurrection

So Rey kills Palpatine, and then dies. Kylo Ren climbs out of the hole he fell into, and somehow uses the Force to revive her corpse. They can just resurrect people now! OK!

9. The Kiss

So Rey is alive again, and the first thing she does is make out with Kylo Ren. They haven’t had an ounce of romantic chemistry in these movies, but some “Star Wars” nerds shipped them so I guess they had to do it.

Also Read:
Whose Voices Were Those at the End of 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker'?

10. The Death

Immediately after this kiss, Ben rolls over and dies, apparently having given all of his life force to Rey to bring her back to life in what was supposed to be the film’s most dramatic and emotionally poignant scene. At that precise moment in our screening, the entire theater burst into hysterical laughter. Whoops.

11. The Force can do literally anything

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All wounds are trivial now because Force users can easily heal them. If they’re too late and the person died, they can just bring them back from the dead. Need to ship a package? Just use the Force to teleport it! Wanna have a lightsaber duel with somebody a hundred miles away? The Force has online multiplayer. Rey is just a God now, the most powerful being who ever lived. But Leia died from yelling.

12. Chewie died but actually he didn’t

This whole sequence is strange. Chewie gets captured by the First Order when he’s like 30 yards from the rest of our heroes. Then Rey accidentally blows up the ship they were taking him away on. Except actually Chewie was on a different but identical ship because “The Rise of Skywalker” wanted to pull a stupidly manipulative misdirect.

Also Read:
'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' - We Need to Talk About This Rose Tico Situation

13. C-3PO got his memory wiped but then got it back

So our heroes need to read something in the Sith language, which it turns out 3PO can read. Unfortunately, his programming forbids him from translating it. (Who did this? Doesn’t matter. It just is.) This forces them to reboot 3PO to override that programming, which will erase his memory and effectively kill him as he’s been known. It sounds sad, and 3PO even gets an emotional farewell out of it. Then the film pulls a movie length JK because not only is it played for laughs from there out, at the end 3PO gets his memories restored thanks to a backup on R2D2’s hard drive.

14. Poe has Han Solo’s backstory now

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One of the 57 new planets we visit in “The Rise of Skywalker” is Kijimi, where we meet Poe’s ex-girlfriend, who reveals that Poe was a spice runner before becoming a Resistance fighter. Because for some reason they needed a new Han I guess.

15. General Hux

Speaking of criminally underdeveloped characters, Hux is revealed to be a mole within the First Order, feeding information to the Resistance, uh Rebellion two movies after his Reichstag speech on Starkiller base, because he hates Kylo Ren more than he loves the First Order. And then, literally the next scene after we learn this, he’s unceremoniously killed by his commanding officer who announces “we found the mole.” Hux joins Boba Fett and Captain Phasma in the pantheon of Star Wars bad guys whose deaths are as pointless as, it turns out, the characters themselves were. At least he got more lines than Rose Tico.

16. The Force told those stormtroopers to rebel

Finn meets a woman name Jannah, who was also a former First Order stormtrooper who had been stolen from her parents when she was a kid and then rebelled as an adult. And they have this fun moment where they talk about how they decided to rebel because they had this weird feeling that they should. And they decide that feeling was the Force. Not, you know, their conscience. Or guilt about helping out a fascist government. They’d have happily done state-sponsored murder had the Force not pinged them, I guess.

17. Ghost Luke

So Luke died, and is a ghost. But he can still pick up physical objects with his non-physical hand. And he can use the Force to lift his X-Wing out of the ocean. Sounds like being dead is all upside.

18. Pretending Rose wasn’t a main character
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Photo credit: Walt Disney Studios

Congratulations racist, sexist harassers: Your complaints were heard.

19. Maz Kanata

They got the amazing Lupita Nyong’o to play maybe the most pointless character in this whole trilogy. The only thing of note she does in this movie is give Chewbacca a medal in an egregiously annoying bit of fan service.

20. Chewbacca gets a medal

I’m not sure how Maz giving Chewie a medal for no reason whatsoever is supposed to make up for his snub in the original “Star Wars” film. This bit feels so shameless.

I didn't have this at mine, if anything it was the same silent non-reaction most of the movie got. I know there was a contingent that "shipped" them, and if you were aware of that and mad it happened I could see the groans, but in the moment-moment it felt like some half-assed but no less valid Romeo & Juliet double suicide thing.

Or, the kiss felt to me like a culmination of galaxy-apart, if-only-from-the-beginning settling of bygones.


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... all social media. My brother pointed out to me last night that Rey and Ben are cousins so...

how are they cousins? Rey doesn't have any Skywalker blood, full Palpatine according to this movie. I agree it was a dumb scene tho but they are not related.

In Episode III Palpatine basically said I used midiclorians in the Force to create you and impregnate your mom.

manipulating midi-chlorians and bustin off up in the hoe are two different things. I could see if it actually confirmed that the midi chlorians were somehow extracted from Sheeve's blood. but no.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-emperor-palpatine-not-create-anakin-skywalker/


He didn't create Anakin, settled. lol


But now JJ is saying Rey and Kylo have a brother/sister relationship so who knows why he put the kiss in there anyways..

so like...people who like star wars and follow the shit but maybe don't like it too much to be out at midnight on release day.


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every fanservicey driven moment was just met w/ disgust. and when it ended nobody clapped. everybody just walked out kind of silent and muttering variations of "ehh idk about this one" cant say that about TFA or TLJ.

Lots of laughter and sighs of disgust last night.

I’m a Last Jedi critic, but compared to this TLJ is Citizen Kane.

This bad movie is really just a symptom of the bigger problem - that somehow after paying billions for the franchise, Disney never charted out a plan or defined their vision for how they wanted these stories to go.

JJ Abrams is a hack. His clumsy script and undercooked characters nerfed this movie and trilogy. But he was given too much authority and no direction, so that’s on Kathleen Kennedy, and even on Iger I guess too.

You watch a movie like this that’s so full of bad characters and random events and you honestly have to wonder how it even gets made. Did they edit the script at all? Did they have any table reads?

Remarkably uninspired, such a bummer of a way to end. I don’t know how they did it, but they made an event movie feel run-of-the-mill and made Star Wars feel lame.

it was a mess in a bunch of ways, but most of them don't matter?

if someone asked me to review it I'd have a bunch of bad things to say, but I don't have to review it, and I don't need to have reviewers say it's good to justify enjoying it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

So much didn't make any sense and contradicted itself, let alone went against things set up in other movies. And some was just bad. Off the top of my head:

- Snope was a Palpetine clone?
- If Palpetine was pulling the strings, why are there two armies (First Order, which Snoke/Clone Palt ran and this new Final Order)?
- If Palpetine planned for Rey to meet in the Sith chamber, kill him, and absorb his power, why send Kylo Ben to kill her?
- The knife with a map to the tracking maguffin?
- What the HELL did Finn want to tell Rey? If he screamed her name one more time I was going to walk out
- Rose got the shaft
- 'I'm The Spy'. Ugh...
- Not sure what pissed me off more, that damn kiss, or that damn medal
- We go from Death Stars with planet killing rays, to Death Planets (that need to absorb the power of a star) with planet killing rays, to star destroyers with planet killing rays? I'm all for technology shrinking, but WTF?
- Lando may as well have said 'On your left...'. And why was he wearing a Captain Kirk tunic?
- 'I am all the SIth'. 'And I am all the Jedi'. 'And I am Iron Man'. Just.....
- Apparently, all you need to defeat a Sith lord is not one, but TWO light sabers. Who knew?
- That damn kiss. Yeah, that was worse than the medal. Just....why?

This didn't ruin my childhood, nor make me sign a petition for Disney to sell Lucasfilm, or want JJ's or KK's head on a spit. This clearly didn't have a story plan going in, which, as bad as they were, at least the prequels did. In doing so, you end up with a movie with dueling ideas with the last installment and in itself, and ham fisted fan service that felt more as a way to quell an angry bunch of nerds rather than a genuine nod to the fans of the series. It didn't make me angry, but I have no desire to see it again either.

That damn kiss, man...

Because I thought something similar when Poe heard Lando in his headset and the fleet of randoms showed up...ya know, the same way Cap heard T’Challa in his earpiece and then an entire army of randoms showed up

at which point online folks will be scrutinizing the Marvel movies as film study and tearing them down. For now, those movies get a halo.

>Because I thought something similar when Poe heard Lando in
>his headset and the fleet of randoms showed up...ya know, the
>same way Cap heard T’Challa in his earpiece and then an
>entire army of randoms showed up

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Off the rip, they are telling you 'this isn't going to make sense, don't think about it, just go with it, here's all the fan service you f*cking nerds'

Hell, they went to Space Burning Man, for crying out loud...

this trilogy is ... lowkey, on that Michael Bay TF shit.
Take an IP, do whatever the fuck with it at the cost of having a coherent narrative throughout... and PROFIT

this whole shit seems to be more about the bag than anything else.

it's Justice League with Star Wars characters, with JJ Abrams doing his best Zack Snyder.

really dislike how they tossed Rose in the bushes for... nothing. I won't even comment on Finn.

Shit seems like it was designed by focus groups. The bad stuff just overwhelmed the good.

Sucks because I felt Leia got a great send off, but... they ate the poo poo overall

These films really need the Lucas Edit.

.

>- If Palpetine planned for Rey to meet in the Sith chamber,
>kill him, and absorb his power, why send Kylo Ben to kill
>her?

Also, Rey DID kill him, just like he wanted...but somehow did not absorb his powers or succumb to the dark side.

>- Rose got the shaft

LOL That's the whole problem she didn't get no shaft

>- 'I'm The Spy'. Ugh...

This could have been a great twist...if he didn't get killed in the very next scene.

>- We go from Death Stars with planet killing rays, to Death
>Planets (that need to absorb the power of a star) with planet
>killing rays, to star destroyers with planet killing rays? I'm
>all for technology shrinking, but WTF?

Next up planet killing light sabers.

>- Lando may as well have said 'On your left...'. And why was
>he wearing a Captain Kirk tunic?

>- 'I am all the SIth'. 'And I am all the Jedi'. 'And I am Iron
>Man'. Just.....

Let's be real the last thirty minutes of this movie was basically Endgame without the emotional impact.

>- Apparently, all you need to defeat a Sith lord is not one,
>but TWO light sabers. Who knew?

Instead of a movie-redeeming showdown we get the final fight from Harry Potter.

>- That damn kiss. Yeah, that was worse than the medal.
>Just....why?

Feels like SW has been trying to recapture the magic of their Kiss on the falcon and they just cant get it right. Not Anakin and Padme, Finn and Rose? etc. We dont need romance in a space movie.

They played directly to the fans. It was predictable as fuck. Not better than The Last Jedi though.

But not far off from what I expected, so no love lost

I like this film less and less the more I think about it.

The secret behind Rey's lineage was even worse than I expected. It's just bad. I thought the big twist would be that Rey and Kylo were twins separated at birth. At least that would have explained their complex connection despite being enemies. But this? It's almost the EXACT same twist as ESB, only you don't get any of the reaction from that. She doesn't even get a "NOOOOOOO!" moment.

That sucked. Instead of one McGuffin there were like four. Once again Finn was wasted. Everything they were building up in terms of a love story between Finn and Rey amounted to NOTHING. The last kiss was a final middle finger to anyone thinking Disney would be daring enough to show an interracial relationship in a Star Wars film (almost as an apology they throw in a random ass lesbian kiss with two side characters no one gives a shit about).

The big wild card this movie had was "How will they bring back Emperor Palpatine???" The answer is fuck you.

Not only that, but this drops a deuce on the whole Skywalker story. ANNAKIN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE. He was supposed to restore balance to the force. If the Emperor didn't die, then Annakin didn't do anything except toss an old man into a hole and give him whiplash.

There was so much bullshit in this movie. LOL at everyone who called The Last Jedi the worst Star Wars movie, because this was 1,000x worse (I enjoyed The Last Jedi). I want to say this was almost just as bad if not worse than Solo. The only thing I liked about it was Adam Driver's performance.

I hope Kevin Feige can save this franchise.

I quoted you on Twitter using this cause it's a great point that made me even more angry. And out of the woodwork comes angry white guys to tell me how wrong I am.

>Everything they were building up
>in terms of a love story between Finn and Rey amounted to
>NOTHING. The last kiss was a final middle finger to anyone
>thinking Disney would be daring enough to show an interracial
>relationship in a Star Wars film (almost as an apology they
>throw in a random ass lesbian kiss with two side characters no
>one gives a shit about).
>

>Once again Finn was wasted. Everything they were building up
>in terms of a love story between Finn and Rey amounted to
>NOTHING. The last kiss was a final middle finger to anyone
>thinking Disney would be daring enough to show an interracial
>relationship in a Star Wars film (almost as an apology they
>throw in a random ass lesbian kiss with two side characters no
>one gives a shit about).

it's also kind of funny how the usual suspects DIDN'T get mad at that kiss. or at least I think they basically got away with spoiling on a TV show and no one even freaked out about it.

just more proof that they threw this shit together based on what the focus groups said. there's no emotional underpinning to things like that.

I'm mad at the prequel trilogy - but not this one.

I thought the forced symmetry of all story lines is still bad writing - to the point where Kylo said "We're a dyad." I guess he read a lot of English Lit major textbooks?

Not sure about Rey's dad and Mom - they were direct descendants of the emperor? But no powers? Just weird and sloppy.

Was the emporer a clone? or did he get away in ROTJ and then jsut tried to recover for 25 years?

I was LEGIT confused AF for the first 12 minutes - had no idea what was going on.

Why did they replace Rose with Jannah? That should have been Rose - I feel the in-cels got that point changed.

That lesbian kiss at the end was stupid too - seemed to be tossing things in for no reason. Address it in the stories or not at all - just seemed like it was placed there to say "Hey - we're not caving - see - a non-sensual kiss between two people of the same sex!"

Kerri Russel looked like Elctro Woman stole a Power Ranger's helmet.

Harrison Ford was a surprise - and I think he looked better - like he gained a little weight - or maybe- they de-aged him? He looked good.

But you know what - it was fine. It wasn't an EPIC story closing with a great finish - Sith and Jedi could not accomplish that either.

I though when she was asked "What's your name' she'd reply "Murphy!" like the end of Robocop.

Do we agree the Emperor's not a clone and that he survived the Death Star fall? Since he's look up to a giant medical device/arm and has serious injuries?

Or is it he's going through clone bodies and each is disintegrating because of his evil? (Like those stubby fingers.)

Also the "I'm every Sith" vs' I;m every Jedi" was kind of lame. Is this a race memory akin to Alia Atreides (Alia the Knife) in the Dune novels? It just seemed wedged in.

Now that I knew what was going on the first 12 minutes were understandable.

Rey's using the force lightning was still shocking and effective.

Leia's scenes felt way way way more cut and pasted from old footage and cgi'd the second time around.

For some reason I didn't notice that Kylo's face scar was healed the first time around.

I'm more and more convinced that the emperor just got away in ROTJ.

I don't know why "The Final Order" was stuck in atmosphere without a beacon? I mean they only had to go UP - the planet was not in the "red corpuscles space" it was just air.

I'm a big fan of Babu Frick.

Keri Russel and Poe should have kissed.

Knights of Ren were lame as hell.

But this time I sort of just let most of the shit slide that didn't make logical sense - I went along fro the adventure and it delivered.



C-3PO was way better in this one than the previous 2 film - he was wasted in those.

If this franchise is gonna be messy, rather it go about it like this than Attack of the Clones. From a plot perspective, I totally get how this movie lets fans down. But as a movie goer, this was a wonderfully big and dumb holiday blockbuster.




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If we can heal and resurrect anyone, why even have a War then.

How about Luke grows his hand back then.

F this movie.

smh

Because it’s not that they can resurrect anyone - Ben was specifically able to bring Rey back by giving her his life force, but he had to sacrifice himself to do so. The fact that he’s able to do it at all makes sense because of their rare force bond which goes all the way back to Force Awakens when he was probing her mind and she was able to prove his at the same time. That connection was built on in Last Jedi and developed even further in TROS.

Honestly, the connection between Ben and Rey along with Ben’s story arc and redemption is the one thing that the sequel trilogy has gotten right through the three movies (at least until the unnecessary and grown- inducing kiss.) And you was definitely thinking he was unredeemable after killing Solo. But when you look at the three movies that’s the one thing that actually does look like it was planned out and works.

I’ve got plenty of other problems with this movie though.

I've truly been baffled by how let down people feel about characters like Rose who from my perspective could've just been blurry pixels ala the end of Black Mirror's "White Christmas" episode and would've meant just as much to me.


Rey - Blank cipher for the audience to get back into Star Wars, Daisy Ridley plays the part better with each movie but part of what held TFA back for me was how little I cared about her. She came in the game able to do just about anything the story needed her to do so I never cared what she was doing as long as she looked convincing doing it.


Finn - They tried so hard in all three movies to make him comic relief, and Boyega can play that, but man is this guy such a manchild. Especially for a STORMTROOPER, a literal weapon of war, to just be so aloof, whimsical and plain goofy...on paper, this was the one unique thing they had from the jump but on screen this character always sucked and should've died in The Last Jedi rather than the Chewie treatment he got.


Poe - I like to watch Oscar Isaac do stuff but this guy had some of the most pointless plotlines of them all. People point to Canto Bight (but then...want more Rose?) but almost as much time in TLJ is wasted on his dumb/ultimately unnecessary plot to sabotage Holdo's plans. He does get the best line in Rise though: "Somehow, Palpatine returned." That's when I knew this was a movie for ME, somebody who didn't care about any of this stuff and just wanted to see and hear more Star Wars.


Kylo - Like Finn, legitimately unique and interesting, mostly flatlined in actual execution, but since the angsty white men behind these films could relate they fleshed him out the bare minimum that they could without him moving the needle at all until his other parent died and Reasons Changed Him.


Eh, I just don't see how people are so let down by this movie, or how people who had the same issues I did with The Last Jedi are even more let down by this go around. The moment Leia became Luke's sister these movies stopped being worried about coherence; when the crawl opened with the Emperor, and then he was the crux of the opening scene, unlike most people I got unreasonably excited. Where a lot of folks seemed to slink into their chairs and mutter, "oh, no..." I perked up and got wide-eyed because I could tell these fucking idiots were going to totally go for it, Hideo Kojima style. They accepted that none of these characters had become what they'd imagined they'd become when this trilogy started and filmed a dry eraseboard full of ideas.

Where's Triumph when you need him?


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I like TFA alright as a popcorn action movie, but ROS fell into the same nostalgia trap as TFA, and on top of that it didn’t make any goddamn sense. Last Jedi had some issues, but at least it took some chances and had a cohesive narrative. This was just a hodgepodge of ideas JJ thought people wanted to see. At least he only threw in his patented lens flare once or twice.

Man, this just sucked. I’ll never forget the excited applause at the beginning and the feeble laps from a couple people at the end. That said it all.

Who tf wanted the Emperor in 2019? My eyes rolled on the opening paragraphs and I tried to just shut my mind up and enjoy the ride. Impossible.

The one cool thing they could’ve done was had Rey combine the 2 lightsabers to create a Jedi version of the Darth Maul. I would’ve forgiven a lot of bullshit if they just gave me that, but nah.

not even in terms of previous movies, but minute to minute

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

like they had a checklist of fan theories they wanted to appease and just threw them all in there no matter how it affected the continuity. While it was visually entertaining enough the storytelling was just downright terrible. Sad to see that something so beloved from my childhood that in the end only 2 1/2 of the movies where worthwhile.

Story-wise it’s the best of the trilogy, but it really does annoy me that the 3 main characters are all on separate missions. Rey doing her own thing makes sense to me (Luke did the same for most of Empire), but if Finn is going to look for her he should be going with Poe. Also Poe should’ve met Rey before the end of TLJ. That shit was wild to me. A huge part of the fun of the original trilogy is watching Han, Luke, and Leia interact with each other.

you start to look back fondly at the under seasoned, slightly over-cooked entree that at least was made with real food

that being said i liked TLJ on the whole of it. it was at least a Star Wars movie, as opposed to a replica of one

That might have made it better but wouldn't work for SW since its always been difinitive trilogies, Episode IX part 1 and 2 would look extremely weird.

I liked TLJ but do admit Rian didn't leave a lot of places to go for a finale when he killed off Snoke. It seems JJ wanted to follow the original trilogy with a redemption story so bringing back Emperor made sense, just was very rushed. Should have cut the Star Destroyer Death Star part out tho cuz that's just dumb. This trilogy was doomed however when they didn't have a plan laid out for the entire trilogy to begin with. Its kind of surprising it turned out as well as it did, huge plot holes and all.

>That might have made it better but wouldn't work for SW since
>its always been difinitive trilogies, Episode IX part 1 and 2
>would look extremely weird.
>
>I liked TLJ but do admit Rian didn't leave a lot of places to
>go for a finale when he killed off Snoke. It seems JJ wanted
>to follow the original trilogy with a redemption story so
>bringing back Emperor made sense, just was very rushed.
>Should have cut the Star Destroyer Death Star part out tho cuz
>that's just dumb. This trilogy was doomed however when they
>didn't have a plan laid out for the entire trilogy to begin
>with. Its kind of surprising it turned out as well as it did,
>huge plot holes and all.

...actually effected any plan that they had.

By all accounts, just about every version of the third film had her as a major character. What they were left with is just deciding that they were going to insert the unused footage of her, which looked awful and felt completely out of place.

>That might have made it better but wouldn't work for SW since
>its always been difinitive trilogies, Episode IX part 1 and 2
>would look extremely weird.

That they should have expanded the first five/ten minutes into an animated series that they released before the film, like they did with that Clone Wars series that came out between "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith." (Which was the best Star Wars related thing that came out during the early to mid '00s). Then the beginning of the film wouldn't have been such a mess.


>I liked TLJ but do admit Rian didn't leave a lot of places to
>go for a finale when he killed off Snoke.

I disagree. They could have figured out a way to make the First Order work with Kylo Ren in charge. And without rehash the idea of the Death Star once again.

>It seems JJ wanted to follow the original trilogy with a redemption story so
>bringing back Emperor made sense, just was very rushed.

I think they shouldn't have held on to the idea that there needed to be a redemption arc for Kylo Ren.

>Should have cut the Star Destroyer Death Star part out tho cuz
>that's just dumb.

Agreed.

>This trilogy was doomed however when they
>didn't have a plan laid out for the entire trilogy to begin
>with. Its kind of surprising it turned out as well as it did,
>huge plot holes and all.

I agree with this, with the caveat that Carrie Fisher dying would always fucked up their plans. But they should have at least kept Rian Johnson to write Episode 9, rather than immediately have him start planning a separate trilogy (which probably isn't happening anyway). It certainly would have saved them from hiring and then firing Colin Trevorrow.

in between TLS and ROS

and if you didn't play fortnite, the only place you heard the emperor's laugh is...in the trailer? I don't know how people will rewatch this trilogy even

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None at all.

Lightspeed jumping makes no sense. And even if it does, your enemies shouldn't be able to follow you.

This film would have been fine if it weren't a Star Wars film. It's like the writers completely threw out all the already established rules of any of it.

I really didn't like any of the last 2 films. Or Solo. There hasn't been a good film in this franchise since Rogue One. Which was excellent.

Again, I agree with all takes that describe this movie as a complete mess, but having those two moments, along with the Emperor himself all compacted in the first, what , 10 minutes of the movie? I realized this was just going to be a massive spectacle for the holidays, and it helped me escape from the existential terror I'd often describe 2019 as.


I was actually quite thankful for getting to experience such an honest, earnest failure. I still think this movie was great at being bad, and I've been struggling against the urge to see it again for 2+ weeks now.


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i barely made it through the time i went.

>i barely made it through the time i went.

We get it, man.

Along with all the controversies. Movie Bob knows his shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaq953jWr-o

like "Anakin....you're breaking my heart!!" terrible.
like "Messa thinking gungunsomeshit" terrible.

I understood why people were shitting on The Last Jedi because it wasn't cannon at all and you know how these fucks are about continuity on ficionalized environments but can't follow politics for shit.....

at least The Last Jedi was an interesting movie goddamnit.

This movie was fucking horrible.
I laughed to myself at every fanboy hail mary they threw.
And they threw a bunch.
0 for 35 into prevent coverage terrible.

Y'all can kiss my "this was fun" ass....fuck that. Make a movie damnit.

D

fuck.

He announced that he's back? Sent out a tweet or something? He hid out for decades- plotting, scheming, building a super fleet... and then gives the entire universe a warning tweet?


Then later he tells his granddaughter (yuck) that when she kills him its on and hes taking over her body. Motherfucker, she was about to kill you! Why not just let it happen? He stopped everything to tell her.

They really think we're stupid. Like someone said, the entire movies was "f*ck you nerds here is a bunch of shit we threw at the wall"


I mean, there are MANY issues with this piece of shit that were already covered in this thread, but how am I supposed to be scared of this dumb motherfucker for over 2 hours?

Yeah he looked creepy I guess but he's a fucking idiot.


And who let that dude hit? The most convoluted shit ever in star wars, and thats saying something.

Emo vader magically showing up at the end?


And Finn? *sigh*


Its honestly like they just wanted to hurry up and get this trilogy over with at this point.

And I get people saying "it was fun"...yeah, I guess some parts were. But its hard not to be taken out of it when they put so little effort into things.

I didn't like the last one either, but the last 30 minutes of the last one blows this one out of the water in every way.



And, I know I saw it late, but it was the first Star Wars movie I've ever seen in an empty theater. Like 7 of us total.

>Then later he tells his granddaughter (yuck) that when she
>kills him its on and hes taking over her body. Motherfucker,
>she was about to kill you! Why not just let it happen? He
>stopped everything to tell her.
>
And then she does kill him and nothing happens.

It wasn't just about killing Palpatine, but agreeing to take part in the Sith ritual/ceremony. Killing him was just part of that ceremony. She also would have needed to specifically kill him in anger for her to take his place as a Sith and have his spirit pass into her.

This gives added context to Palpatine's line back in Return of the Jedi to Luke - "strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete."

When she does kill him in the end, she isn't striking him down in anger, she's reflecting his lightning back (defending herself) and letting him kill himself.


>>Then later he tells his granddaughter (yuck) that when she
>>kills him its on and hes taking over her body.
>Motherfucker,
>>she was about to kill you! Why not just let it happen? He
>>stopped everything to tell her.
>>
>And then she does kill him and nothing happens.

peoples heads *shrugs*


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>This gives added context to Palpatine's line back in Return of
>the Jedi to Luke - "strike me down with all of your hatred and
>your journey towards the dark side will be complete."
>
But Luke throws away the lightsaber. He doesn't kill him out of love or whatever.

>When she does kill him in the end, she isn't striking him down
>in anger, she's reflecting his lightning back (defending
>herself) and letting him kill himself.
>
Come on though. Yeah she deflected it, but that was pretty much killing him. She was clearly trying to kill him and not just defend herself. She wasn't about to walk over to him with both lightsabers to hash it out.


I see what you're saying, I just think it's paper thin storytelling. In Return of the Jedi Luke had to walk away from violence altogether to defeat the Emperor, and Vader had to sacrifice to outright kill the Emperor (or so we thought). Rey went to kill the Emperor, succeeded, but we're to believe that it's not out of hate, despite the revelation she was just given, or that he just seemingly killed Kylo. She got up and faced him in aggression, and with a mean look on her face.

It didn't make sense to me. But I mean I respect your take on it. Maybe if I saw it again I'd agree. But as is I thought it was sloppy and didn't hold up to the mythology.

hmmm.

I thought it was the best one since the ANH honestly.

I felt like it set a stage, and dropped the audience right into an emerging situation like ANH did.

When it said that Palps voice was being broadcast it left open alot of possibilities, was it a recorded message? Was he alive? Was he a force ghost? We never eventually really got an answer, but it set up the questions and I love the ambiguity.

If it had opened with the actual sound of his voice, I don't think I would have liked it as much.

Yes it messed up whatever story and continuity, but honestly I enjoyed and had more fun watching this one way more than the past 2.

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They use the crawl in lieu of world-building or establishing the stakes in the films.

The original movie dropped you in the story...but also did a ton of worldbuilding and storytelling to show you why it all mattered.

This trilogy just uses your knowledge of the original and says "that's good enough! Let's rock!"

The fact that they don't even bother to try to explain how Palpatine is back is syfy channel level bad writing

There's enough there (for me) to not be mad at it.

we're spoiled with the amount of backstory available through so many forms of media, it will eventually get touched upon like so many vague things in the OT did.

The dialogue from the prequels was there, palpatine hooked up to some kind of machinery was there, him not being at his strongest until receive other life force was there, that's enough for me.

Would I like more? Sure. We'll get it, just like we got more things expanded upon from the OT. Granted, this one topic is pretty big compared to the mention of things like Clone Wars, Kessel Run etc so I understand people expecting more explanation from something so bis as Palapatines return, but I'm just not mad it.

There's enough there (for me) to not be mad at it.

we're spoiled with the amount of backstory available through so many forms of media, it will eventually get touched upon like so many vague things in the OT did.

The dialogue from the prequels was there, palpatine hooked up to some kind of machinery was there, him not being at his strongest until receive other life force was there, that's enough for me.

Would I like more? Sure. We'll get it, just like we got more things expanded upon from the OT. Granted, this one topic is pretty big compared to the mention of things like Clone Wars, Kessel Run etc so I understand people expecting more explanation from something so bis as Palapatines return, but I'm just not mad it.

A bunch of art and script excerpts have leaked.

And it's much better than what we got. Like from a narrative standpoint from where THE LAST JEDI left off, it's all makes sense. My only problem is the weird, left field choice of having Rey and Poe together.

Also, shout out to the Screen Junkies with this Honest Trailer:

https://youtu.be/O7dq_wo5eto

as if the reactions to The Last Jedi were all a huge part of plot-planning and character development. which is horrible way to make any movie of lasting impression.

Leia dying was about the only ballsy move here, and even that was literally forced upon them.

The only good ones were Star Wars and ESB. The prequels were abominations.

>as if the reactions to The Last Jedi were all a huge part of
>plot-planning and character development. which is horrible way
>to make any movie of lasting impression.
>
>Leia dying was about the only ballsy move here, and even that
>was literally forced upon them.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

sure it was good at the time but this isn't the 70s.


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...to "The Last Jedi." Seriously, Disney of all people knows that the fucknuts on Twitter don't matter. But Fisher dying really sent things off the rails.

honestly. The Force Awakens is just a rehashed episode 4* because Disney didn't want to risk a poor re-introduction to Star Wars. The Last Jedi was a bigger risk, but by the time Rise of Skywalker is over, you realize they just threw away all the important ideas of the previous film. which makes me question why a version with Fisher would have more conviction or less pandering.

* which I still really enjoyed, because the possibilities for the new characters seemed so great at the time. sad to see how their arcs end up.

Sure, she was supposed to be a huge part of IX, but like I said the post above the script that leaked worked despite some problems. Problems that would've been much better than what we got.

The original leaked script seemed like a natural progression from the last film with natural payoffs and arcs that make sense.

A good writer and filmmaker wouldn't use Carrie Fisher or The Last Jedi as an excuse or crutch for delivering a bad movie.

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Nothing markedly different I don't think. (Assuming JJ was going to make a similar movie)

and was mad tired the first part i saw, but i was sharp enough the second part. i don't know that i need to watch it all again.

it was more like a series of scenes shot and put together, than a movie.

SW has never been the most intricate of plots, but there was a lot going on and not a clear direction. i mean it continued to move, but it was like....OK when it ended.

I'm glad to have not dropped loot on it.