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Topic subjectAd Astra (James Grey, 2019)
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735606, Ad Astra (James Grey, 2019)
Posted by bwood, Mon Aug-19-19 12:03 PM
https://youtu.be/P6AaSMfXHbA

My boy say it last night and loved it. O hope he's right as I've been waiting on this one since it was announced.

Premieres next week at Venice International Film Festival.

Please be good.
735616, Damn
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Mon Aug-19-19 07:39 PM
This looks legit. Might have to see this opening weekend.
735814, Raves coming out of Venice
Posted by mrshow, Fri Aug-30-19 03:08 AM
Can’t wait
735848, It’s Gray n/m
Posted by benny, Sun Sep-01-19 10:40 PM
Saw the trailer without having any idea he was directing, but now it’s easily my most anticipated of the year. He hasn’t missed yet as far as I’m concerned
735913, Very likely this will be the next movie I pay good money to see in theaters
Posted by Kahlema, Fri Sep-06-19 02:06 PM
Looks very intriguing. Love Brad Pitt and Tommy Lee Jones. Also movies/shows with a space/sci-fi aspect to it I'm generally drawn to.
736055, On a personal level, this is a minor masterpiece for me
Posted by bwood, Sun Sep-22-19 01:48 PM
If you had told me that at the beginning of the year that 55 year old Brad Pitt would put out 2 movies within the span of 3 months that would speak to me personally about the point of time I'm at in my life right now, I'd laugh in your face.

Absolutely see it in IMAX.
736056, I really liked this
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sun Sep-22-19 06:21 PM
The special effects were great and the moon buggy scene was really well done. I liked how the scene incorporated the natural laws of physics.

Brad was excellent. He really carried the emotional weight of the story. He sold the heaviness of the loneliness he carried with him through life.

******* SPOILER *******

I liked how the basic premise of the story was that its good for Roy (men) to get in touch with their emotions and emptiness surrounding the lack of love from their fathers. Take for instance, the scene where Roy decides to speak from his heart rather than act stoically. He did something unexpected and in a way desperate, but his openness was rewarded.

I wish the scenes with Roy and his father were a bit more satisfying. I don't know enough to know what exactly I expected. Maybe the scene outside of the outpost was that closure. Then again, I heard a review which criticized that aspect of the movie and so my perceptions maybe were biased.

***********************


I really liked the scene where he has his confession about the intimacy issues he has.

Ruth Negga was good, as usual. I liked that Roy at least had one ally with him on his mission.

The writing was good as well. The plot didn't have many holes and it created stakes which seemed plausible.

Like the pacing especially. The movie was 2 hours but while it moved along deliberately, it never felt overdrawn.

I'd give it a A-. As I sit with it more, the more I realize how excellent it is.
736058, Weird experience, mostly for good I think
Posted by Nodima, Sun Sep-22-19 10:05 PM
It follows all the beats you'd expect from a "son travels to find his presumed dead father" movie, narratively it takes absolutely zero risks. What makes that so interesting is that everything else about the movie is so inspired, particularly it's often dull presentation of the big set pieces and both Brad and Tommy's relative disengagement from everything exceptional happening around them.

My eyes perked up when I saw the DP in the credits after, because Ad Astra also felt simultaneously very strange and very familiar. Turns out, he was the DP on both Interstellar and Dunkirk, two other movies that captured impossible and fantastic scenarios with both wonder and a sort of, yeah, of course it looks and works like this detachment that I think found its apex here.

But that also means the emotional beats aren't very emotional, and I couldn't tell if that was the point. I saw this movie in a 3/4 full cinema but both during and after the movie I felt like I was walking out of a small arthouse theater into the already-closed bar in the lobby. Nobody was reacting to it during or talking about it after, and I caught myself more than once wishing the movie would get past it's "necessary" action and emotional beats (specifically the punctuation of a mayday call and a lot of the final conversation in deep space) because it just wasn't connecting with me like the sheer visual and audio spectacle on display.

Walking home, I figure that probably was a goal of this movie, to make the audience aware of how the wrapping paper of it all practically stiff arms the audience away from really connecting with its content beyond a visceral discomfort driven by the set design, soundtrack and cinematography. And I really admire that about it; it's a movie I'll like to see again when it comes home to see if it holds up without the potential for surprise and the magnified scope of the theater. It's a far better MOVIE than Dunkirk, but I have a nagging worry it might shed a lot of its intrigue on a home screen with a home audio system in the same way Dunkirk did.


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736068, I appreciate how you summed up the lack of emotional impact of the film...
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Tue Sep-24-19 12:19 AM
I appreciate how you summed up the lack of emotional impact of the film, especially the relationship between Brad and Tommy Lee's characters.

It's not that the message of shedding blame and resentment of bad parenting wasn't gotten across, I just wanted a cathartic moment.


************* SPOILER *************


Maybe the scene in space Brad screams after his dad floats away was supposed to be it. But that didn't quite connect for me.


*********** END SPOILER ***********

736061, Fucking fantastic. Easily one of the best of the year.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Sep-23-19 11:16 AM
Brad Pitt is having the best year of his career by far. James Gray continues to *crush* it with these obsession/toxic masculinity movies. Great supporting turns across the board, great score. In a just world, the Oscars are all over this movie (though I doubt Disney campaigns it).
736069, Great James Gray New Yorker Profile
Posted by mrshow, Tue Sep-24-19 02:03 AM
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/09/16/james-grays-journey-from-the-outer-boroughs-to-outer-space

736070, He did an awesome appearance on The Ringer too
Posted by Nodima, Tue Sep-24-19 06:39 AM
https://www.theringer.com/2019/9/19/20875212/ad-astra-is-a-masterpiece-and-brad-pitt-has-won-2019-plus-james-gray-on-making-his-space-epic

I'd never heard the guy at length before, it's wild how often he references painters.

This post made me think of that interview partially because he spends a few minutes talking about how uncomfortable he is about that New Yorker piece. The most interesting bit for me is when he gets into why he thinks European general audiences appreciate his movies more than American audiences.

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
736149, a visual and aural triumph
Posted by benny, Mon Sep-30-19 04:29 PM
really interesting how much the movie manages to mix in thrilling action to what is essentially a soulful reflection on searching within yourself, without overwhelming it at any point. The lunar rover chase in particular is stunning, going instantly into the pantheon of sci-fi scenes.
736202, Great fi weak sci
Posted by dba_BAD, Thu Oct-03-19 07:42 PM
imo
736261, all over the place. horrifically bad voice over.
Posted by ternary_star, Tue Oct-08-19 06:48 PM
did it want to be a somber dissection of a broken relationship or a pulpy sci-fi action romp? realistic depiction of near-future space travel or Michael Bay-level stupid space opera? a handful of great moments ruined by a over-the-top obvious and unnecessary voice over that explains every minor bit of subtext.
736305, family this was not good. we dont have to lie to ourselves about that.
Posted by Reeq, Sun Oct-13-19 10:33 PM
736327, I saw it with my dad, which was weird
Posted by Walleye, Tue Oct-15-19 07:23 AM
It's pretty on the nose, so I wish I'd investigated a bit further than noting that people had called it a movie about fathers and sons. Because if I'd read more than a paragraph of any review, I think the central metaphor of "guy travels to Neptune to have a conversation with his dad" would have smacked me in the face in print just as thoroughly as it did on screen and we could have seen something that didn't result in such an awkward conversation afterward.

I really enjoyed it though. It was kind of thrilling to watch them pull off something close and emotionally intimate in the furthest reaches of space. Any complaint I had while watching it was kind of turned upside-down throughout. Seemed like the emotional backstory was a bit underwritten at times, but that meant leaning on some really good actors *and* letting my imagination freight the story with some additional metaphors. Not just fathers and sons, but Boomer fathers and Gen-X sons. Not just Boomer fathers and Gen-X sons, but the grand world-building experiment of post-war liberalism and the ultimate emptiness of trying to, uh, transcend the idea of transcendence. And a truly Augustinian antagonist who needs to die alone before he ever gets to his "late have I loved you" moment.

Anyhow, it was brave to let a dummy viewer like me stuff all of that into the story, because outside of the fucked up father/son narrative all you've really got to go on is Brad Pitt's marvelously flat evaluations of his interior state and Tommy Lee Jones working the shit out of the lines on his face. That's some generous movie making.

Could have used more Ruth Negga. I mean, not really because they almost should have made this with only two characters. But that's my permanent reaction to seeing her on screen because she's wonderful so I'm going to stick to it whether it makes sense here or not.
737581, Wow! Terrible, shockingly so
Posted by calminvasion, Tue Dec-31-19 02:55 PM
Like really bad, and I grade on a huge curve when it comes to anything remotely space related.