nobody watching this?

Zendaya is doing work. im enjoying it thru two episodes so far.

well shot but I already felt weird watching Skins like 10 years ago so this ain't gonna work for me

I was a big Skins fan, but I checked out towards the end.

So hearing this gives me pause in checking it out, even though I really like what Zendaya is doing.

not just in what they're showing, but that it might be too cynical for its own good.

Zendaya and the kid who plays the asshole QB are killing it though, and i've been 100% engaged in both episodes.

NYT had an interesting article out this morning or last night about how statistically every kid in this show is an outlier and drug use, sex and basically every behavior except perhaps porn viewership is significantly lower than the generation before it, or in the case of marijuana usage roughly on average. Only vaping has seen a significant shift in trend for the "worse", and even that's at the expense of cigarettes.

That said, the direction has been pretty significant for a TV show (putting the Inception hallway special effect into the pilot was a hell of a flex), it seems like they've picked up a lot from Noah Hawley's and Vince Gilligan's shows in terms of clever visual cues and sound editing.

I loved the first two seasons of Skins but it's highly dated now in terms of both its visual style and depiction of teenage sexuality (if these kids are horny, those kids were psychotically so) whereas this show is taking a heightened but more nuanced look at things. It's got a lot on its plate and I'm really curious how it'll hold up as the shock value fades and the characters reckon with - or don't - their actions.

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

the opener they did with Kat, and the text montage with Nate and Jules were really well done.

Question though, Nate knows he's texting with Jules, right? I wasn't 100% but his glance over in class seem to indicate he does.

that little dealer kid cracks me up.

I forgot jules took those pics for him so of course he knows

its an overload for me. Like on ep 3, where he goes to her guys and the guys says yo, you need to leave cuz my supplier is coming and he aint no joke and then the no joke happens.

Its hard for me to get it.

wife likes it though, so watch it with her.

Acting is really good too.

other than Nate out here w/ his 12D Chess Moves. Mouse is a little cartoon villain-ish w/ it but i knew lots of girls that rolled w/ dudes like Fez and encountered shit like that Mouse situation

Love the opening backstory and the carnival Some Came Running nod, and just the chaotic vibe this episode.

Nate worrying about Jules ratting him out when its gonna be Maddie who brings him down. I think she might report him next ep for choking her. Maddie's crazy and all but Nate deserves any shitty thing that happens to him behind this.

Jules character is crushing it.

Like they keep piling shock value on top of shock value on top of shock value on top of shock value.

But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't enjoying it. It's fine.

All it led to was a Zendaya music video.

That was so trash.

But yeah the musical number felt like the show being up it's own ass and nearly brought down what I thought was an otherwise solid finale.

Penultimate eps are nearly always the season's best, the Cassie stuff and nate.vs Fez was good but I didn't care about Rue's bladder diaries, talking pill bottles, and Jules misadventures felt like an episode of High Maintenance

Yo the second paragraph of your post has me dying. It's true tho.

Rewatching season 1.

I don't watch enough shitty soap opera-y TV and this was pretty good for that. The eye makeup was maybe the most over the top thing about the show by the end of it, though I did find it heartening that on its surface the show confirmed a lot of my worst fears about the generation below my younger sister's, so a bunch of journalists got together and put out articles confirming the kids these days are NOT getting as fucked up as this show suggests.

I think the series hit its apex during the carnival episode and immediate fallout from that, but it started backsliding when Nate went from a clever bad dude to a legitimate supervillain. Props to him for whatever he drew from in that last scene with his dad, though, that was horrifying. His whole family might be fucked up on a show that's otherwise pretty grounded but the acting is keeping it together for me.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

seems like something highschool kids would relate to who are into drugs/cliques/promiscuity

>seems like something highschool kids would relate to who are
>into drugs/cliques/promiscuity

maybe this is all these kids are into nowadays? my nephew says his (pwi)
highschool is atrocious...mid-upper class broken homes, rampant drug use,
suicides, security threats (inside and out), sh*tty administrators, but that sports
program stays winning.

i think thats just most high school. mine was like that 10 years ago. my mom and pops said theirs was like that 30-40 years ago.
kids are gonna be kids. wylin out is gonna happen.

I find myself more interested in some of the 2nd tier characters than Rue, and Jules who are only interesting half the time.

Nate as an interesting as fuck character. The first ep you just assume he's some amped up asshole meathead, which he is but he has so many weird ass layers its fascinating.

I'm not sure what Fez's out is here. With the blood on the money, Mouse now knows he jacked it, and while he might respect that for a minute, its not gonna be exactly hard to put together when he sees what happens to his supplier. I'm not sure what keeping that open ended was supposed to mean

Lexi is the Franklin from Peanuts character of the show. She doesn't do much but she seems like the only kid who doesn't seem like a psychological dumpster fire.

Rue trying to stay clean? Nate vs Jules?

show kinda doesn't have a plot

Cause I'm kinda all set with where they took that as well hah. It was compelling early on but got a little ridiculous by the end.

the 2nd to last episode was boring but still tolerable.

the finale was a joke.

it felt like the episodes got longer towards the end. maybe the material was just getting thin.

nm

I guess it should be considered the Christmas episode. Anyway, Zendaya continues to put in work. Not a lot of action as you would expect from the series, but her acting was fantastic and further proved she deserved her Emmy win. Colman Domingo’s performance makes me want to see more of him as well. They kept me captivated the entire episode.

The next episode is supposed to air on Jan 24th.

i only saw part 1 of the "christmas" episode. Yea Zendaya was great and all but it was so miserable it made me wonder why i even like this show lol. Trailer was a good reminder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdwZwrs8Qt0

"Damn"

For real. Nonstop wild. No idea how they keep that up all season. I skipped the specials and I’m glad I did.

the Jules one was whatever but that Rue one was a home run

from the goodfellas flashback open (shot out to Charmaine Bucco), to the craziness in the drug spot, to the party.

Absolutely crushed it music-wise, and looked amazing shot on film too. They put some work into this one.

I'm glad we're getting more Fezco and his Ashtray out the gate.

what a start

The Euphoria Teens' Taste in Rap Is Ridiculous


https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/euphoria-music-rap-soundtrack/


"First there’s a scene where Rue is in the back of a car, zooted out of her mind, rapping Tupac’s “Hit ’Em Up” word for word, like she also feels that Biggie and Junior M.A.F.I.A. were some “mark-ass bitches.” Later she arrives at a house party where the dancefloor is packed with kids grooving to Biggie’s “Hypnotize.” At the same party, Rue does more drugs, this time with a new character played by human algorithm Dominic Fike, while Juvenile’s “Back That Azz Up” rings off in the background. Then Lil Meech, the son of real-life mafia kingpin Big Meech and star of 50 Cent’s Starz show about that kingpin, BMF, grinds with Maddie to DMX’s “Party Up (Up in Here).” I know these are all major rap songs that have stood the test of time, but how do you explain the flashback scene of drug dealer Fezco counting money to the mid-’90s Sonny Skillz deep cut “What Time Is It”? You can’t. Stay tuned for next week, when Rue snorts coke off her collection of vintage The Source magazines."


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

it's levinson's own universe.

Rue
Jules
Maddy
Cassie
Lexi
Kat in that order? She's a very underutilized character to me.

i don't even know her name. the one sitting on the counter. She was part of the crew early on and kinda faded away

all her friends telling her its so nice to have sweet innocent love and shes in shambles having dreams of a Viking pillager.

this season is starting much better than last seasons.

>all her friends telling her its so nice to have sweet
>innocent love and shes in shambles having dreams of a Viking
>pillager.

I wish shows/movies would stop showing deadly beat downs with nary any after affects

Is this 6 months later? lol

Ashtray ain’t for the bullshit WB should fast track a Damian Wayne show for him

i love that kid.

I was trying to figure out the Cal timeline. the music clocks it in the late 80s maybe 91 at the latest, Cal appears 50ish, and Nate couldn't have been born until early 2000s. Then i remembered there's another brother but i got the sense he wasn't that much older than Nate.

I continue to like all the non-Rue stories more than the whole Rue/Jules and that blonde kid stuff.

I was puzzled about that as well

Not sure they did the work required for those flashbacks but we could be missing something haha.

which would make it around 94 (Rue was born on 9/11 so on the show we're still in 2018 or 2019).

but ALL the music in that Cal sequence was from the 80s except for the Kravitz song that was 91

Young Cal had a Flatliners poster. That movie came out in 90

they're all over the place lol

But that’s what addicts do so…

:-(

a dick

but.. yeah

this ep was a little too up its own ass for me

i like the Cal stuff, and Nate/Cassie/Maddie

i'm getting repetitive but i continue to be half checked out when we start getting into Rue/Jules/Elliot

Rue particularly, i like when she's actually doing something, but i'm getting bored of watching her get high and dream about shit. the show just starts feeling self-indulgent.

>a dick
>
>but.. yeah
>
>this ep was a little too up its own ass for me
>
>i like the Cal stuff, and Nate/Cassie/Maddie
>
>i'm getting repetitive but i continue to be half checked out
>when we start getting into Rue/Jules/Elliot
>
>Rue particularly, i like when she's actually doing something,
>but i'm getting bored of watching her get high and dream about
>shit. the show just starts feeling self-indulgent.

I think this show's made a smart decision getting away from plot as its overriding focus and spending more time messing around with composition, homage and really strong performances.


I agree that Euphoria can come off desperate for its shot or scene for sure but I think that's part of the charm, it's taking the leap from 2019 to 2022 and the reality these high schoolers are closer to 30 than 20 and having fun with it.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

That whole rchurch/religion scene was great

like the dealer lady said. what an episode even if it got fantastical. Rue is out of control

Rue's lucky she got out

when she walked in the crib with the girls...it felt like a spinoff show episode where characters from the main show make a cameo.

iono if its cuz shes a much more recognizable figure and been in bigger projects than everyone else. but she feels out of place.

she did a hell of a job tonight tho. prolly some of her best acting ever.

This season kinda feels like two shows - the hot mess Instagram hour with the regular cast and then some actually traumatic drug addiction shit whenever Rue's around. And it felt more stark than ever in this episode because it was all centered around Rue, so whenever it was just her and her family it felt like this Oscar-winning drama and whenever the rest of the show would cut in you had to remember this is also Sam Levinson's goofy pop-up art show also.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

>This season kinda feels like two shows - the hot mess
>Instagram hour with the regular cast and then some actually
>traumatic drug addiction shit whenever Rue's around. And it
>felt more stark than ever in this episode because it was all
>centered around Rue, so whenever it was just her and her
>family it felt like this Oscar-winning drama and whenever the
>rest of the show would cut in you had to remember this is also
>Sam Levinson's goofy pop-up art show also.

Very well said.

Good god what a banger of an episode

Shot out to Maddie going all chola on Cassie. Shit was lowkwey pretty hot

And show a 10 story barrier so that none of these awful people can interact with the rest of the world.

that was incredible..the beginning home scene alone

and lol at "Just take it one day at a time"

Little did she know the level of desperation she was dealing with.

>that was incredible..the beginning home scene alone
>
>and lol at "Just take it one day at a time"

Rue was so offended by that vapid shit that she dimed her out right there lol

solid little performance by Syndey Sweeney in that whole scene

Maddy you not crazy either. THAT is what crazy is. Tension on a million when he shows up

who Maddy got with at a party to make him jealous.
Nate stalked him, showed up at his house the same way in the dark, all calm, told him how Maddy was a minor so he won't press charges on this beating, then beat the fuck out of him

furthering this series' weird relationship with '90s classics from the east coast despite being set in vaguely 2020 vaguely SoCal


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

that quick convo with ali talking about rues stank ass had me dying. you know that was an adlib and he just started riffing. those laughs from everyone else seemed really genuine lol. mom was prolly supposed to stick around in the kitchen longer but he sent her off too lol.

especially in how he immediately sensed Gia's quiet internal suffering to the point where he told mom to focus her love on her, because Rue is gonna be Rue

at the same time, if you talk to Ali's family, they will tell you he's a piece of shit, and not be exactly wrong about that.

to trap him.

it's exactly what she did to Cal.
you could see in the Cal flashback she felt threatened by Cal's best friend, whether she fully knew what the deal was or not. She probably at least sensed it because her and Maddie seem a lot alike in how they can read people.

then looking back fondly about the time Nate choked her out. that woman is all kinds of fucked up

she was always generally likable, and in a single scene they made her into a complete dick

but apparently her and Levinson had some type of beef, and they cut a lot of her story.

>but apparently her and Levinson had some type of beef, and
>they cut a lot of her story.

and a few things came up. can't speak to how accurate any of it is

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellendurney/barbie-ferreira-broke-her-silence-on-kat-storyline-euphoria

https://www.eonline.com/news/1319350/euphorias-latest-episode-fans-rumors-of-barbie-ferreira-and-sam-levinson-feud

what i had heard originally was that she wasn't happy with what they were doing with her character, so they chopped her story down

starting shit w/ the creator, director and the 1 writer of the show doesn't seem like a smart move to me but what do i know.

i kind of appreciated that they didn't go on such an obvious route for her and give her a bunch of scenes with stress eating and scales.

if that's true I'm not sure I blame her

Like it's obviously possible that she could pivot in that direction, but she found a way to be almost proud of her body type last season so I wouldn't have expected an eating disorder to be her next move.

where they roasted the fat acceptance stuff. That wave is pure cope

hey we're gonna give you some other stuff, but above all else, you're the fat girl, dealing with fat girl shit, cool?

it could also be a situation where the storyline grates against wherever she stands personally on all that.

either way, i can see why she wouldn't be exactly into it.

Falling back on the "big girl has body issues" trope is lazy and tired IMO. Especially since they gave her so much more interesting storyline(s) to work with last season.

She plays the role well and deserves to explore the other routes more, if they'd give her the time and the chance.


>hey we're gonna give you some other stuff, but above all
>else, you're the fat girl, dealing with fat girl shit, cool?
>
>it could also be a situation where the storyline grates
>against wherever she stands personally on all that.
>
>either way, i can see why she wouldn't be exactly into it.

poor Ethan.

Even before the gaslighting and the 'did you read that on some incel reddit board?' low blow, she was the obnoxious talk too loud on the phone in public girl

speaking of, do kids still talk on the phone, or is that just more levinson voodoo?

>poor Ethan.
>
>Even before the gaslighting and the 'did you read that on some
>incel reddit board?' low blow, she was the obnoxious talk too
>loud on the phone in public girl
>
>speaking of, do kids still talk on the phone, or is that just
>more levinson voodoo?

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

(c) Maddy

her mom absolutely loving it was the cherry on top

>her mom absolutely loving it was the cherry on top

she was annoying af

thought her reactions were super endearing

she just also cares about her wine and her TV shows.

become semi endearing a few eps ago where she had snippets of concern come through rather than 24-7 Im a cool mom bullshit
its good they wore that caring and actually knowledgeable part in for her..its that omg thats me! shit brings me back to her part n bullshit (c) character


>she just also cares about her wine and her TV shows.

mad tension in that living room.

I'd be disappointed if they let the season end without tying up that storyline somehow. Cuz Laurie clearly isn't the type to just shrug off $10k and a 17 year old addict escaping her grasp without at least attempting to find her. They put too much color and haunting detail into that character to just let that storyline die out that easily.

>I'd be disappointed if they let the season end without tying
>up that storyline somehow. Cuz Laurie clearly isn't the type
>to just shrug off $10k and a 17 year old addict escaping her
>grasp without at least attempting to find her. They put too
>much color and haunting detail into that character to just let
>that storyline die out that easily.

One episode left...gonna be a cliffhanger, trust

I cant imagine the cops are so consumed with just the murder of a low level dealer like Mouse. Even if it started that way, they probably pressed him on Mouse and he wound giving up the whole operation, from Fez up to Laurie.

Its a clean way for Rue to get out of it

>I cant imagine the cops are so consumed with just the murder
>of a low level dealer like Mouse. Even if it started that way,
>they probably pressed him on Mouse and he wound giving up the
>whole operation, from Fez up to Laurie.
>
>Its a clean way for Rue to get out of it


nah...Rues gonna get snatched up Jesse Pinkman style I bet.

Everything wrapped up in a nice cumstained bow

>

Lol

>Lol

Rue drug issues are done, she says shes sober, Cal pitch is finished, Fez story finished, Maddie and them talking again..Laurie situation is taken away (I thought Rue would get snatched up last scene to keep it real, cliff hanging etc). Everything is tied up. The play exposed it all for the town. Whats to come back to now?

Yeah its been renewed but that doesnt mean its going to go into production or Zendaya will be bac , or does it? Shrug

i don't think HBO would just announce it's coming back for season 3 without, like, checking in with Levinson and them first

>i don't think HBO would just announce it's coming back for
>season 3 without, like, checking in with Levinson and them
>first


I didnt say they didn't already announce it. And plan it. Im saying as the poster said, it seems like a series finale and regardless of announcements, I feel it's a big possibility that season 3 won't happen regardless . Its happened before in entertainment. It's just an idea-opinion since all the controversies seem done.

or a show that wasn't sure if it was gonna get renewed.
particularly for Rue, as well as Nate and Cal.

i wasn't sure what was gong on with Maddy and Minka Kelly's character last week. She was saying goodbye, but i don't know if it meant Maddy was leaving. She didn't show up at the premiere along with the actress who plays Kat, so not sure if there's an issue.

i don't see how they'd leave Cassie in such a fucked up crazy state, and we need to know what happens to Fez, man

>or a show that wasn't sure if it was gonna get renewed.
>particularly for Rue, as well as Nate and Cal.
>
>i wasn't sure what was gong on with Maddy and Minka Kelly's
>character last week. She was saying goodbye, but i don't know
>if it meant Maddy was leaving. She didn't show up at the
>premiere along with the actress who plays Kat, so not sure if
>there's an issue.
>
>i don't see how they'd leave Cassie in such a fucked up crazy
>state, and we need to know what happens to Fez, man

Fez is doin time. Rue told Lexi he is trying to do good for her from now on while he is doing time. Unless I got it wrong and that scene was supposed to be prior to the police raid. There's been so much kind of resolved (fi any got to see made beat that jazz a bit too that folks been waiting for) that it seems like with can they come up with now. Plus like you said, all the goodbyes, the controversies of the sex scenes and actresses, Kat actress being rewritten. Who knows. Im actually good if it stops here.

and not Fez

it looked like a tricky kind of flash forward scene about Rue's reaction to the play that was actually in the play.

i thought it was Rue trying to give Lexi some understanding of her dad through an addict's mind

but i could be dead wrong, i'd have to watch again

>and not Fez
>
>it looked like a tricky kind of flash forward scene about
>Rue's reaction to the play that was actually in the play.
>
>i thought it was Rue trying to give Lexi some understanding of
>her dad through an addict's mind
>
>but i could be dead wrong, i'd have to watch again

You may be right. But Rue stated that as if she had talked to him. Which would be weird but hell that whole ep was so damn confusing lol.

HOWEVER..maddie did say "This is just the beginning" regarding Cassie/Nate but we all now that was written to be said for fan service so ...

than actually talking to him. she knows how addiction can make you shit on people you love no matter how much you care about them.
for herself, but she also has Ali for reference. His kids don't speak to him and think he's a horrible person, and probably rightfully so, but it's just not the Ali that she knows or we know.

>But Rue stated that as if she had talked to
>him.

so to me season 3 is more of a task of coming up w/ visually and thematically interesting elements. because there a bazillion teen/young adult plotlines you can just fire off for the characters to move forward from here

>so to me season 3 is more of a task of coming up w/ visually
>and thematically interesting elements. because there a
>bazillion teen/young adult plotlines you can just fire off for
>the characters to move forward from here
>


I dont buy this completely. people are invested in this one of a kind show. With these exact characters (have u read the hate for new character Elliott? lol they hate him). This isnt anthology type. You may be right but anything else would seem like a letdown or less than. Rue relapsing would seem zzz...the big villain Nate turned decent guy in the last three eps. ..man I could go on but I won't.

All I can see is SBTB College years but Yall keep hope (for 3) alive.

>Rue drug issues are done, she says shes sober

.. they're done.

>>Rue drug issues are done, she says shes sober
>
>.. they're done.

who's pretty much is gonna save Fezco from a life sentence.
First she hooked him up putting Mouse's killing on Laurie (which will also ultimately spare Rue), but now he doesn't have to take the fall for Ash, since she can just testify that Ash killed her boyfriend.

now even worst case, Fez will be out before Cal

>who's pretty much is gonna save Fezco from a life sentence.
>First she hooked him up putting Mouse's killing on Laurie
>(which will also ultimately spare Rue), but now he doesn't
>have to take the fall for Ash, since she can just testify that
>Ash killed her boyfriend.
>
>now even worst case, Fez will be out before Cal

and it looks like she's gonna kill everyone

and Maddy just beats her ass

https://twitter.com/GameSpot/status/1498690222284025863

thats pretty amazing to only be in its second season.

i see why zendaya keeps getting these gigs lol.

Guess there's no possible way they cant/won't keep this train rolling. I was wrong

>https://twitter.com/GameSpot/status/1498690222284025863
>
>thats pretty amazing to only be in its second season.
>
>i see why zendaya keeps getting these gigs lol.

https://www.tmz.com/2023/07/31/euphoria-star-angus-cloud-dead-dies/

Theyre talking mabe '25 now but i doubt it. Angus Cloud is dead, Sweeney and Zendaya are huge right now, to where even if they want to do it, scheduling will be a problem, Levinson doesn't seem to know what he wants to do, etc...

I thought the renewal meant they’d strike while the iron was hot and come right back.

there were some barriers but more now. alot has happened since then