What the fuck is the point of Marvel TV? Outside Cloak and Dagger, Runaways, and Punisher maybe they should just fold.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/loki-scarlet-witch-tv-series-marvel-disney-streaming-service-1202947551/

Loki, Scarlet Witch, Other Marvel Heroes to Get Own TV Series on Disney Streaming Service (EXCLUSIVE)
By JUSTIN KROLL
Film Reporter
@krolljvar

Disney is enlisting Earth’s Mightiest Heroes as the company prepares to launch its upcoming streaming service. The entertainment giant is in early development on an ambitious plan for a number of limited series centered on popular characters from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. These series will likely include shows centered on Loki and the Scarlet Witch, along with other beloved superheroes who have yet to appear in their own standalone movies.

Marvel and Disney had no comment.

There’s an important distinction from other Marvel small screen efforts, however. The actors who portrayed these heroes and villains in the Avengers films and their spin-offs, such as Tom Hiddleston and Elizabeth Olsen, are expected to play them in the streaming shows. Moreover, though sources close to the production are staying mum on the cost of the programming, the budgets are expected to be hefty rivaling those of a major studio productions. Each series is expected to include six to eight episodes. Marvel Studios will produce the shows and Kevin Feige, the guru of all things MCU, is expected to take a hands-on role in their development.

The pricey gamble with one of the crown jewels of the Disney film empire is a sign of how much the company has riding on its direct-to-consumer platform. As companies such as Netflix and Amazon continue to grow their user base, Disney is trying to find a way to establish a toehold in the streaming revolution upending Hollywood. The company has kept the details of the service close to the vest, beyond saying that it will likely cost less than Netflix and will launch at some point in late 2019.

Disney has already started to unwind its licensing deals in order to put as much premium content on the platform as possible. That’s meant that the company is forfeiting billions of dollars in profit, as well as shouldering the cost of developing the technology. The company has announced a number of high-profile projects, including a Star Wars series overseen by “Jungle Book” director Jon Favreau, a show based on “High School Musical,” and a live-action “Lady and the Tramp” film. The company also plans to offer several new releases when it launches, including its live-action “Dumbo” film and “Captain Marvel.”

Many of these projects are expensive bets. The Star Wars series will reportedly cost $100 million and the movies are expected to carry budgets north of $25 million. However, Disney has to spend big to make an impression. Netflix, its main rival, has 125 million subscribers globally and has lured top talent like Ryan Murphy (“American Horror Story”), Kenya Barris (“Black-ish”), and Shonda Rhimes (“Grey’s Anatomy”) to its platform with record-setting deals.

The Marvel series are in early development and writers have yet to be attached to the projects. Marvel TV Studios and Disney have been active with shows that include ABC’s “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” and Netflix’s “Daredevil,” but sources say those shows will stay under Marvel TV banner with these limited series set under Marvel Studios.

Storylines for each series are still being teased out, but Disney appears to be holding back some significant fire power for the big screen. Insiders stress the Avengers that have gotten their own movies like Iron Man and Captain America will not be featured in the series with the studios focusing on characters who have served as second tier characters in the MCU.

When all is said and done, the Avengers shows could be the streaming service’s most ambitious project both in terms of their scope and budget. Most important, it gives the service something that will attract comic book fans and represents the type of content Netflix would love to get its hands on.

I KNOW I wouldn't watcha Loki show or anything else that they wanna do.





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With it being a purely Disney/Marvel project overseen by Kevin Feige, they can make it directly related to the MCU movies. There's more room to play around.

Unlike the Netflix shows, where the connections to the MCU are very vague.

I think the Disney shows are going to be completely different from the Netflix ones. In a good way.

and diminishing returns and shark-jumping

(it kinda feels like it has to be imminent anyway; i feat that this may be that)

Trying to tell a cohesive story and spanning it across all the films AND the TV shows with larger connectivity would be exhausting.

A few friends of mine are already feeling the fatigue.

Not me, and probably not most people who grew up on Marvel comics.

It'll happen eventually. I'm just happy that they built all the way to the Infinity War/Gauntlet story arc. That's pretty impressive.

After Avengers 4 it'll all be dessert to me. I'll still watch them, but I'll be expecting diminishing returns from then on. These shows included.

And as hyped as I wanna be for DD S3, I'm just not..

I'm tired...

I really wanted to quit after IW, but then Black Panther happened, and IW made me really, really care about Dr. Strange..and now they they got Fantastic Four....shit...

I think I'm done with the TV side though. If they make the TV shit interact with the movies? I'm done for real.





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Unless you're a completest or just all-purpose fan:

JJ S2 is disappointing
Both seasons of Iron Fist are not good.
DD S2 was only ok.

But The Punisher was actually pretty good. Mostly because it tried hard to distance itself from the other shows.

It feels more like a crime drama about a dude with severe PTSD fighting his inner demons by shooting up people who just happen to be bad.

Jon Bernthal really sells it. If you can overlook the fact that it's a Marvel show, it's worth a shot. The only real connections are o' girl from Daredevil shows up for a couple episodes, and then there's the obligatory Turk cameo. That's really it though. You can watch this without having seen any of the other shows.

But yeah, if the burnout is real...eh, there's plenty of other stuff out there.

Oh, and I think the events in IW guaranteed that the Netflix shows will never directly tie into the movies. Pre-Infinity War, I bet they might have attempted a crossover if the Netflix shows had views on the level of Game of Thrones/Walking Dead right from jump. But there's no way they're going to jeopardize a billion dollar franchise with shows that have gotten lukewarm reception at best.

You don’t even have to watch all of this stuff. It’s not like you needed to watch Jessica Jones to understand Endgame.

Daredevil season two was awesome to me. Iron Fist season one wasn’t really worth my time. I think ignored its second season for a while as a result but it definitely was a step up (low bar to get over tho).

The MCU Disney+ shows will have bigger budgets than most (all?) Marvel TV shows and I’m a legit fan of cats like Falcon and Winter Soldier. I’ll tale the rest as they come. WandaVision added Monica Rambeau and the hilarious federal agent from Ant Man and The Wasp (name?) so I will be watching for them alone. They just announced a bunch of new shows at D23 which diminishes the odds that we will see news seasons of Daredevil or Punisher in Disney+ any time soon, but I am still crossing my fingers for that down the road.

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>But The Punisher was actually pretty good. Mostly because it
>tried hard to distance itself from the other shows.
>
>It feels more like a crime drama about a dude with severe PTSD
>fighting his inner demons by shooting up people who just
>happen to be bad.
>
>Jon Bernthal really sells it. If you can overlook the fact
>that it's a Marvel show, it's worth a shot. The only real
>connections are o' girl from Daredevil shows up for a couple
>episodes, and then there's the obligatory Turk cameo. That's
>really it though. You can watch this without having seen any
>of the other shows.

Definitely has a different feel, isn't superhero/mutant/Marvel feeling partly because the main character Frank Castle doesn't have super powers or rich like Batman. Just a dope badass. I'm glad it got two seasons...would watch it on Disney+ if they revived it and kept the same cast & writers.

maybe a Moon Knight show? Since they got guap to throw around...

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/falcon-winter-soldier-limited-series-marvel-1203015438/

Falcon-Winter Soldier Limited Series in the Works With ‘Empire’ Writer
By JUSTIN KROLL and JOE OTTERSON
OCTOBER 30, 2018 5:30PM PT

Marvel heroes Falcon and Winter Soldier are teaming up for a potential limited series at the Disney streaming service.

Variety has learned exclusively that Malcolm Spellman has been tapped to write a series featuring the two superheroes, which is currently in development at the streamer. It is the first of the proposed Marvel limited series to find a writer.

Marvel and Disney declined to comment.

Falcon and Winter Soldier, played by Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan respectively, have both appeared in multiple Marvel films to date, including the recent blockbuster “Avengers: Infinity War.”

While Winter Soldier was a key character in the second “Captain America” film, the character who became the Winter Solider — Bucky Barnes — first appeared in the original “Captain America” film in 2011. Falcon made his first appearance in “Captain America: The Winter Soldier.”

Spellman previously worked as a writer and co-executive producer on the hit Fox series “Empire” and wrote the screenplay for the feature film “Our Family Wedding.” He is repped by CAA and Industry Entertainment Partners

News of the development comes after Variety exclusively reported that Marvel and Disney were prepping multiple limited series centered on characters from the Marvel Cinematic Universe who had yet to appear in their own standalone films. At that time, it was reported that characters like Loki and Scarlet Witch would also be the subject of their own limited series. The series are expected to be six to eight episodes.

Unlike other Marvel shows like “Daredevil” and “The Punisher,” the series on the Disney streaming service will be produced by Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige, who has headed up the MCU for years. The shows are also expected to have large budgets compared to other television projects.

The news also comes as Netflix canceled Marvel shows “Iron Fist” and “Luke Cage,” which both ran for two seasons. The two street-level heroes were part of the four-hero crew that made up the limited Netflix series “The Defenders,” which included Daredevil and Jessica Jones. “Jessica Jones” has already been renewed for a third season, while “Daredevil” launched its third season earlier this month. “The Punisher” was renewed for a second season at Netflix back in December.

I like the sound of that. The Loki and Scarlet Witch news didn't move me much, but this has me interested.

Now we have talk of a Hawkeye show, a Loki show, a Scarlet Witch show, and now a Falcon/Winter Soldier show? On the one hand it's the potential to add more depth to the characters and their relationships with one another, and expand the universe.

On the other hand, it feels like overload. Already some people are claiming superhero fatigue, and that's just from 2-3 MCU movies a year. Add on a bunch of shows, not to mention everything already out there (Agents of Shield, The Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, the remaining Netflix Marvel shows) and it feels like too much--even for me.

Granted, if this stuff actually gets made, and with the actors from the movies, it will definitely be the push to get me to pay for the Disney streaming service. But damn I don't really need that many superhero shows. Give me like two more and I'm good.

> Already some people are claiming superhero fatigue, and that's just from 2-3 MCU movies a year. Add on a bunch of shows, not to mention everything already out there
>(Agents of Shield, The Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, the remaining Netflix Marvel shows) and it feels like too much--even for me.

I feel you, but it's not like they're all required viewing. I've never seen The Runaways or Cloak & Dagger and I'm just fine with that. Plus I skipped S2 of Luke Cage and jumped ship on Iron Fist early — wasn't for me. If you're trying to be a super fan and soak up *everything* coming out, it could be a problem. If you're selective, tho, it should be all good — especially in this case with Feige (sp?) heading it up.

But I DO feel you on the overload. I predict that things will start thinning out in the near future (including DC + others) and only the best of the best will remain.

>
>I feel you, but it's not like they're all required viewing.
>I've never seen The Runaways or Cloak & Dagger and I'm just
>fine with that. Plus I skipped S2 of Luke Cage and jumped
>ship on Iron Fist early — wasn't for me. If you're trying
>to be a super fan and soak up *everything* coming out, it
>could be a problem. If you're selective, tho, it should be
>all good — especially in this case with Feige (sp?) heading
>it up.
>
You're probably right. Although I should suggest giving Luke Cage S2. Even though it was canceled. It was way better than S1 and ends on a great, unexpected note. You made the right call on Iron Fist though.

>But I DO feel you on the overload. I predict that things will
>start thinning out in the near future (including DC + others)
>and only the best of the best will remain.

Yep. Except for Black Panther 2 and maaaaybe Spiderman 2, I expect that thinning out will happen after Avengers 4. I'll still probably go see them, but I bet the days of each movie making a billion dollars will be over.

They had a humorous chemistry in the airport scene in Civil War.

Also looking forward to the Scarlet Witch show, although I wonder who the villain would be. Perhaps she will hunt down the Hydra types who gave her powers? Or now that Disney owns Fox, she'll discover her father is Magneto?

Ms. Marvel

Moon Knight

She-Hulk

Cotdamn these niggas ain't fucking around!

I'm looking forward 2 out of 3 character shows, hopefully they can now get a lot of missing plots & stories out the way before going to the big screen, the only problem I know this will cause is Disney will most likely not cast the same people in the series in the movies; but that's just me guessing.

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>the only problem I know this
>will cause is Disney will most likely not cast the same people
>in the series in the movies; but that's just me guessing.
>
>
>
That's the whole reason it's Marvel Studios and not Marvel Television.

All of these shows, actors included, will tie into the films.

>All of these shows, actors included, will tie into the films.

What I've noticed about some actors, they want to play a character but then get tired of it really quick while other actors don't mind doing a long run of playing one character.

I've seen it well too often when a big named actor does a role then gets bigger than says I'm done, let someone else do it, and it throws off the movies somewhat by having to get use to another actor living up to the past person's standards; that's why I like it when actors who haven't been in many movies get a role cause they are willing to go the long haul verses well known ones.

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The Mandalorian trailer looks very promising. Rogue One prequel series announced centered around Cassian and K2S0. Season 7 of Clone Wars announced. Hell yeah on all these for Star Wars fans.

They already sold me on the Star Wars and MCU stuff--although I'm starting to think that it's overload--but despite the fact that those two properties are making billions of dollars, I don't think they'll sustain the streaming service by themselves.

They're going to need some Emmy/Golden Globe level content. A Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. A Handmaid's Tale. A Stranger Things. An Orange Is the New Black.

Movies too. Roma, A Ghost Story, Manchester By the Sea.

I want to see what that material will be like, and if they are going to bring in A+ talent to drive it.

People are going to get hyped over the action/adventure content. But if that's the main content that they're offering, the fatigue is going to set in mighty quickly.

Obviously this is on their radar, but I'm just curious as to when they're going to release details.

That was the bomb they dropped. Disney+ will be on almost every other platform except Amazon. Which could means that they're planning on taking Hulu with them.

It seems like everyone is overlooking this game changer. Unless they announce later that it'll be available on the Firestick, the fact is that not only will they be doing battle with Netflix content-wise, but they'll also try to put the hurt on Amazon, as more people will be tossing out that fire stick for a roku, or to use that Xbox, or whatever devise Disney comes out with (or buys outright).

It was just a small detail in the article I read, but I was like what the actual fuck. They're not just trying to compete with other streaming services, they're trying to get this shit on lock.

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Peace,

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https://www.multichannel.com/news/disney-plus-wont-be-available-on-amazon-fire-tv-at-launch

https://fortune.com/2019/08/19/disney-streaming-service/

The general opinion is that they'll come to an agreement, but for now--NOPE.

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"Alternately, Disney may have decided it could somehow harm Amazon by withholding its content from Fire."

"Update: Disney didn't comment for MCN. But an individual close to the company said it would be "misleading" to indicate that a deal won't be carved out with Amazon before November 12. "

"an individual close to the company" is someone who works there.

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That's cool, they internet always needs people who just make short wiseass comments instead of engaging in actual discussion.

if you're mad that you're making bad assumptions then that's a you problem.

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V.

I felt like that was clear?

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From what I'm seeing, original content-wise, Disney+ is riding hard on its two billion dollar franchises: the MCU and Star Wars.

Just in my opinion, if you don't care about any of that, right now Disney+ won't seem very enticing. As I said elsewhere, I'm way more interested in their other drama/comedy content and original movies.

Will they try to bring Oscar/Emmy caliber movies right at the gate? I'd like to hear that they cut a deal with del Toro, or Wes Anderson, or hell Ryan Murphy to be the showrunner for some original Disney+ show(s).

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there is no requirement for you to reply to my bullshit

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https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1192551332491800595


please ignore all clickbait and stop trying to predict what companies will do if you've never opened one of their earnings reports


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im not interested in 90% of netflix original content. Most of it is bad programming that couldnt get picked up on tv. Or bad knock offs. Their catalogue of older movies is dwindling and getting harder to find via their interface. It shouldnt be easier to find what older movies are on the channel via a 3rd party site than their own site. Disney has the back catalogue of shit, so I think Im in on this.

>Their catalogue of older movies is dwindling
>and getting harder to find via their interface.

why is it harder than ever to find movies released before 2000? like in *any* form? I had Hulu for years solely for the fact they had a huge Criterion Collection archive available to stream.

I understand why Netflix does not put much money into licensing fees with the looming streaming wars, it's just disappointing that watching anything from the past is so difficult right now.

I think I could just subscribe to Netflix like 3 months a year and watch everything I'm interested in.

disney has been very methodical about making sure they've got pretty much everybody lined up for a "oh that's my shit right there" moment for at least some of the content

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they have the whole family lined up. They got the disney vault to go to for the little ones. Then throw in Marvel, 20th Century, PIxar, HULU, Touchstone, and all the tv shit. Shit cant forget about Lucas film. Who is going to be able to touch them? Plus they are actually putting money into good originals unlike Netflix who is trying to get a lot of original shit out.

I'm not trolling or disagreeing with you.

It's just except for The Mandalorian and the MCU shows, and I think one kids Disney joint, I haven't read anything about their original content.

Comedies? Dramas? Disney original movies?

I've said it before around here: I'm probably going to get Disney+, and I'm already sold on their MCU/Star Wars content, but I'm way more interested in the other original content for people who are sick and tired of that stuff. The Kominsky Method, Marvelous Ms. Maisel, Dead to Me, The Handmaid's Tale, even Orange is the New Black. I want to know about their content that's going up to bat against shows like that. I would assume that they have at least some content like that ready to go, I'd just like to hear more about that stuff.

"sick and tired" of star wars and MCU stuff?

their original content rollout is scheduled over the next year or two, they're going hard on nostalgia out of the gate because that's their strength.


marvelous mrs. maisel might clean up during awards season, but that shit ain't as appealing as an MCU spinoff for most people (how many people do you know who watched daredevil vs. maisel?), and Amazon would trade it straight up for the fucking hawkeye show alone if it could.


idk man, we're as art farty as still-mainstream consumers mostly get, and they've *got* a show with rick famuyiwa and taika waititi directing episodes of it, you know?


also, I think that right now they're positioning Hulu to go after those people. maybe it will change within a couple of years (I suspect their original content mix will get wider, but right now it's basically: what works in theaters done smaller)

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and they have only said so much since then, there was a trailer for lady & the tramp

also I think there's a lot of stuff on the list that you may not have heard of or hasn't been discussed yet

https://dtcimedia.disney.com/news/disney-plus-at-d23-expo-2019



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https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-disney-plus-12-months

i was already coming around to getting it. i was hoping i could pay for it using google play credits are i have a healthy balance due to the opinion rewards. didnt see a way to get it yet so i held off. then i saw this so yeah.

ill probably keep getting netflix for a month here and there.

Man with these shows, they really aren't playing around.

Kevin said that they're going to make sure Ms. Marvel is in the films once her show wraps up.

Got me curious enough to watch them.
I was pretty tired of marvel.
But got Disney plus and watched
Dr Strange & Captain Marvel, the 2 films I hadn’t seen from the universe.
I enjoyed them both and am now kind of hype to see if the characters will translate on the small screen.
:never really cared about Hawkeye but I like Renner and want to see what happened in Japan.

The Wandavision premise (a couple characters that were annoying by the end) seems cool as shit.

The what if...? animated show looks promising.

I’ll end up checking them all out I imagine lol.