>If your movie ends with a large twist and dwells on the
>emotional responses of both those dying and those responding
>to the deaths, if the obvious lack of permanence diminishes
>the emotional impact of these beats-- as it did for me-- then
>the complaint has a basis in legitimate reasoning. Whether or
>not you agree with that reasoning, or whether the moment
>worked for you personally, is up for debate, of course-- but
>it's not like the complaint is pulled out of an ass or is
>arbitrary in its presentation. There's logic behind it, and
>you're seeing several others above agree with it.

After seeing this movie I'm kind of realizing how little of a sci-fi fan I am. Why spend all your time getting invested in these characters if you know there really aren't any consequences. After this I feel like I'll never trust a "death" and will just kinda sideye whoever I'm watching it with a be like "yeah, they're "dead"..right.."

>I mean, one could also easily argue that the lack of
>permanence removes stakes from the equation. It'll be
>interesting to see how they deal with that issue going
>forward-- hopefully the permanent deaths of a few characters
>in this and/or the next film would help create at least the
>illusion of permanence so those stakes aren't diminished with
>time. We all know that franchise leads have to stick around,
>but shit, at least make us worry about their friends and loved
>ones.

Exactly about the stakes.

I don't see how every one of the "deaths" aren't reversed? If T'Challa comes back, then Spideys coming back and so forth. How do they only selectively bring them back if t hey all went out the same way?

>But as you noted, since many of the deaths obviously aren't
>permanent and we'll be playing with time to bring them back,
>we could also *easily* bring back any of those characters as
>well. I'd be surprised if they didn't bring Gamorra back, and
>honestly, if Vision is gone for good, then Wanda ain't gonna
>have shit insofar as plot going forward, so they may as well
>off her too, lol.

Exactly, I just don't think I am a fan of time travel. It's kind of why I stayed away from Dr Strange for so long but ended up liking the movie, but not having any consequences or real fear of death for characters kinda sucks.