didn't realize that the season had started until a few days ago, but i'm almost caught up. personally i really loved last season and felt that it was the strongest. initially i wasn't sure how they would handle the "supernatural" side with ghostrider, but i was pleasantly surprised and really enjoyed the way the went.

without giving anything away for those that haven't been watching i initially had the same questioning feeling for the first episode of this 5th season. the new environment and characters were a bit jarring at first, but after the first ep and into the second it felt right at home again.

personally for me this is the best major "superhero/comic" show on tv. i also enjoy the flash, but for me production, acting, etc are all a notch below. supergirl, legends, arrow are all meh.

who else watching this season?

thought last seasons 3-arc structure was amazing. everything about season 4 was top notch tv. it grew into its own just like a Whedonesque show usually does by about season 3ish.
sofar this season is a damn hoot.
Mack being meta as fuck in the first couple eps as hilarious ("space, sure, cos it's the one thing we haven't done yet" or sumthn like that lol).
the timeline issue and current state of Earth has some of the fandom thinking this is supposed to tie hugely into Infinity War (Thanos being responsible instead of "The Destroyer Of Worlds").

that last ep with Fitz and Hunter was so perfect. really missed Nick Blood's sardonic energy in the series (ending it with an Empire reference made me lol unexpectedly).

i read an article recently about how ppl should give AoS another chance, and how its meandering 1st season is to blame for so many ppl turning away in the first place. thing is, it's become must-see tv since then. anyone who bailed before all this shit started coming together really needs to give it another look.

V.

>thought last seasons 3-arc structure was amazing. everything
>about season 4 was top notch tv. it grew into its own just
>like a Whedonesque show usually does by about season 3ish.
>sofar this season is a damn hoot.
>Mack being meta as fuck in the first couple eps as hilarious
>("space, sure, cos it's the one thing we haven't done yet" or
>sumthn like that lol).

haha, yeah mac is killing it so far with his lines.

>the timeline issue and current state of Earth has some of the
>fandom thinking this is supposed to tie hugely into Infinity
>War (Thanos being responsible instead of "The Destroyer Of
>Worlds").

this theory is pretty dope actually. i like how AoS is involved in the MCU without actually being involved in the MCU if you know what i mean.

>
>that last ep with Fitz and Hunter was so perfect. really
>missed Nick Blood's sardonic energy in the series (ending it
>with an Empire reference made me lol unexpectedly).
>

about to watch it tonight, then i should be all caught up.

>i read an article recently about how ppl should give AoS
>another chance, and how its meandering 1st season is to blame
>for so many ppl turning away in the first place. thing is,
>it's become must-see tv since then. anyone who bailed before
>all this shit started coming together really needs to give it
>another look.

people are def missing out if they aren't watching. the more i think about it the more i love this show and realize how attached i'm becoming to the characters. last season and this are giving me strong firefly vibes.

>i read an article recently about how ppl should give AoS
>another chance, and how its meandering 1st season is to blame
>for so many ppl turning away in the first place. thing is,
>it's become must-see tv since then. anyone who bailed before
>all this shit started coming together really needs to give it
>another look.


The show came with a LOT of hype coming off of The Avengers movie and season 1 squandered all that goodwill. It was slow and meandering and things really didn't start to gel for the show until Captain America: The Winter Solider turned everything upside down. The show was forced to address SHIELD actually being infiltrated by HYRDA and it generated some great storytelling.

Ever since then, the show has gotten better and better each season with season 4 obviously being the best season. But despite the step up in quality, the ratings have gone down. And it is entirely due to the first 2/3rds of Season 1 turning off viewers. Its a shame because it is one of the more enjoyable shows on television.

but Disney stepped in and prevented it:

https://wizardworld.com/wizard/disney-wouldnt-let-abc-cancel-marvels-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d.

which i never really hear about happening with any of my other fav shows that get really good around the season 4/5 mark before being unceremoniously dumped. so that's awesome. it's got the pull of the parent companies behind it so we get at least a few more seasons. and maybe that'll give Marvel enuf time to figure out how to integrate all the tv properties into the MCU like we all originally thought was gonna happen.

V.

I'm still not a fan of the disconnect between the TV and movie universes. AoS was born from The Avengers and first few MCU films, but the connections have been minimal. The Netflix shit only references shit as "The Incident".

This season would've been a dope time to tie back in, like maybe getting Thanos warnings, but they've been flung 90 years into the future.

other than whatever rumoured divisions and in-fighting b/w the tv and film heads, there is absolutely no reason why all these properties shouldn't be epically overlapping into one anothers worlds.
like i wanna see Defenders popping up in an MCU movie.
or Vision guesting on an episode of AoS.
or Coulson finally appearing on the big-screen again.
can u imagine a May & Black Widow confrontation? (u know that's how most writers would play that in terms of first-meetings-that-end-up-in-fisticuffs-only-to-develop-into-strong-bonds type shit).
or Jessica Jones trading quips with Tony Stark?
or the potential chemistry b/w Quake & Star Lord?

the potential for universe-building here is nearly limitless. what's the official word on why this hasn't happened yet? (he says before going to google it).

V.

>the potential for universe-building here is nearly limitless.
>what's the official word on why this hasn't happened yet? (he
>says before going to google it).

Another effect of being too segmented, probably. Kevin Feige over the movie studios vs. whoever runs the TV part(s) (If Netflix and the network TV shows are run by different people). Like, I know there's contractual and time limitations on getting shit to happen, but like I said, for the Netflix shows to lightly mention the huge battle from "The Avengers" as "the incident" is fuckin stupid.

https://screenrant.com/agents-of-shield-carter-season-2-3-marvel-tv-feud.

Marvel Studios Fails Fans by Fighting Marvel TV (& Not Hiding It Well)
By Anthony Ocasio 05.27.2015.

This year on broadcast television we saw how Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. evolved into a must-watch comic book adventure, introducing Marvel’s Inhumans storyline to the world years before its eventual film debut. During the midseason hiatus, Agent Carter jumped in and took over for Coulson’s rag-tag team, revealing an untold story of Cap’s would-be love Peggy Carter teaming up with Howard Stark in order to save the world from his deadly inventions dubbed “Bad Babies”. Then there is The Avengers 2: Age of Ultron, which ignores both shows and references neither. The question: Why?

If you haven’t felt it by now, there’s a clear divide between Marvel Studios and Marvel Television. This isn’t something that’s new, nor is it something that’s been well-hidden — those who’ve followed the evolution of Kevin Feige’s Marvel Cinematic Universe since its debut with Iron Man in 2008 would’ve at least sensed it.

One could say that this so-called “feud” has been going on since Walt Disney CEO Bob Iger – after buying Marvel Comics in 2009 – created a new division, Marvel Television, with Jeph Loeb as the Feige of the small screen. Still, each side was cordial enough to the other — until the initial announcement of ABC’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D in 2012 – then the gloves came off.

The inspiration for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. came after Disney CEO Bob Iger watched the Marvel Studios-produced One-Shot Item 47, who then teamed with beloved television creator Joss Whedon – and Avengers mastermind — along with his trusted Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along-Blog co-writers Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen. Joining them as its star would be everyone’s favorite (recently deceased) S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg), and together they were going to bring a bit of the Marvel Cinematic Universe to the small screen. Therein lies the problem.

Essentially, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Marvel Television (read: Jeph Loeb) can be seen as simply piggy-backing off of the hard work Marvel Studios (read: Kevin Feige) put in to getting the MCU off the ground — one of the main reasons why Walt Disney (read: Bob Iger) purchased Marvel Comics – and the fact that Joss Whedon, who was still needed for Avengers 2: Age of Ultron, and fan favorite Clark Gregg were involved only complicated matters further. Ultimately, Marvel Studios couldn’t really do much to stop it publicly, but especially privately, behind closed doors.

So what’s Marvel Studios to do?

Since Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was being developed by Marvel Television for ABC, in two completely different divisions of Disney, there was nothing Marvel Studios could do to make sure that it failed. However, it could make sure that it would be difficult to succeed — and that’s essentially what they did, whether they’ll admit it or not.

In August 2014, showrunners Maurissa Tancharoen and Jed Whedon revealed to THR what happened immediately after ABC ordered a full season of the show:

Maurissa Tancharoen: We had the order to do a series about S.H.I.E.L.D. and, literally, a day or two after that they said, “Oh, by the way, there’s a movie coming up that will affect your show.”

Jed Whedon: Here, read this script .

Tancharoen: Read this script, and you’ll see what we’re talking about.

Recently, during interviews for The Avengers 2: Age of Ultron, Joss Whedon opened up to IGN and confirmed Marvel Studios’ attitude towards Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.:

I think actually the movie people were a little bit cross about the TV show. They were sort of like ‘Well you can have this but not this. And this but not that.’ It’s complicated enough as it is without me adding another layer of complication. We also created a TV show called S.H.I.E.L.D. right before they made a movie where they destroyed S.H.I.E.L.D. – so everybody’s having a GREAT time!

The question still: Why?

Whedon’s references to complications aside, the entertainment world is essentially all about perception and promotion, ultimately. No matter who you are in the business, there is always someone who wants your job, who is actively vying for your job, and who will ultimately have your job when you “move on”, either by choice or by force. Marvel TV (AKA competing executives) is now leveraging a portion of the Marvel Cinematic Universe – which they didn’t create — and, if successful, is a threat to the executives at Marvel Studios.

That’s to say: if Marvel TV succeeds and Marvel Studios fails, Mickey Mouse is going to want to move members of the “winning executive team” to the “failing executive team” — especially when “failing” for Marvel Studios, theatrically, can mean billions of dollars in lost revenue. No matter what, each and every corporation is beholden to their stockholders, and they must make decisions which benefit those individuals. If they don’t tend to their investors, then there’s always someone else who is ready and willing to take over the position and do just that.

In Captain America: The Winter Solider, S.H.I.E.L.D is seemingly dismantled, in a very big and explosive way. For the freshman ABC series, this event didn’t happen until episode 17 of season 1 (“Turn, Turn, Turn”) — so the writers and producers had to figure out what to do with a show whose premise won’t actually exist after 16 episodes — yet ABC still needs 16 episodes (read: hours) of television to air until then.

For anyone who sat through Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 1 – instead of using our viewing guide — the lack of focus and story is more than apparent. Sure, there are some episodes such as “The Hub” (episode 7) and “Seeds” (episode 12) which are able to stand on their own as solid installments to Marvel’s ever-growing television world. However, overall, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 1 – even after Captain America: The Winter Solider – is a mess of pointless stories, silly characters, and Bill Paxton not fighting a tornado.

Marvel Studios needed to respond. Cue: Peggy Carter.

Agent Carter was essentially when Marvel Studios brought “the fight” to Marvel Television, to the small screen, producing a show that was better received and more popular than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ever was.

Even though Agent Carter was technically produced by Marvel Television – and Jeph Loeb is listed as an executive producer — the final paragraph of Marvel’s own press release for the show revealed just how much of a Marvel Studios show Carter was, and how little credit Marvel Television could take after it succeeded: (look where Loeb’s name is listed in relation to Feige’s)

Tara Butters (“Resurrection”), Michele Fazekas (“Resurrection), Christopher Markus (Marvel’s “Captain America: The First Avenger,” Marvel’s “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”), Stephen McFeely (Marvel’s “Captain America: The First Avenger,” Marvel’s “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”), Chris Dingess (“Men in Trees”), Kevin Feige (Marvel’s “Guardians of the Galaxy,” “Marvel’s The Avengers”), Louis D’Esposito (Marvel’s “Guardians of the Galaxy,” Marvel’s “Iron Man 3”), Alan Fine (Marvel’s “Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” Marvel’s “Thor”), Joe Quesada (“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” “Marvel’s Avengers Assemble”), Stan Lee (“Spider-Man,” “Iron Man,” “The Incredible Hulk”) and Jeph Loeb (“Smallville,” “Lost,” “Heroes”) are executive producers. “Marvel’s Agent Carter” is produced by ABC Studios and Marvel Television.

Unfortunately, Agent Carter didn’t succeed — it wasn’t even a good show; nor was it a triumph for feminism. If anything, all Carter did was prove just how much Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. grew between seasons — so much so that it recently received a season 3 order for all of its hard work. Of course, like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in season 1, Agent Carter also received a season 2 order to potentially redeem itself.

Still a non-believer? Think Netflix’s Daredevil is the exception to this feud? Think again.

The big concern in all of this is that no matter how much media training those from Marvel Studios – or its Marvel Cinematic Universe – go through, they’re still unable to handle questions about Marvel Television without quickly revealing their true feelings before going in to “PR mode”.

Here are some video examples where the truth shines through:

1) Kevin Feige on What Daredevil’s Success Means

https://youtube.com/watch?v=t7DFZBn-pjA%3Fstart%3D142

2) Cobie Smulders Explaining Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to Jeremy Renner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2YxZ_t324.

3) Clark Gregg & Awkward Silence from The Avengers on Jimmy Kimmel Live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsP1gCI5cv0.

The video from Jimmy Kimmel Live is perhaps the best example of just how much Marvel Studios – and everyone involved — wants to distance themselves from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Marvel Television, generally. Even the most resolute fan must admit that it’s certainly odd that an entire group of outgoing personalities took so long to think of any response to a simple question — especially when the majority of the cast likely worked with Clark Gregg more than each other, even after two Avengers films.

No matter what’s going on behind-the-scenes, or who will appear on what show, fans continue to tune in these Marvel movies and televisions shows hoping to see some semblance of a collective universe — not simply by name only. Unfortunately, right now, that’s all that we have.

In Avengers 2: Age of Ultron, Nick Fury has a fully stocked, mostly staffed, fully fueled Helicarrier without even once mentioning the fact that Agent Coulson even exists. The creation of Ultron, too, which can be seen as one of Tony Stark’s “Bad Babies”, is simply left to exist in this film, alone, despite all the many opportunities there are to simply namecheck Agent Carter and Howard Stark in some way.

Truth be told, Avengers 2 rarely references anything that happened in Phase II of the Marvel Cinematic Universe – it’s simply doing as the first Avengers film: setting up what comes next. Much of this excitement we feel for everything that’s happening is because of Marvel Television, holding our attention and keeping us excited to see the next film, then the next, then the next. If Marvel Studios were left alone, without Marvel Television, who knows how that may affect the MCU, overall — but the fact is that it would affect it.

Fortunately, what comes next in Phase III – Captain America: Civil War; Infinity War – should be more exciting than what we’ve seen so far. Even so, with all of these ever-growing worlds popping up on the big and small screen, and DC soon kicking off its own Cinematic Universe with Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, Marvel may soon find itself trying to catch up to and satisfy an audience whose attention is elsewhere, both on TV and in theaters.

So perhaps its time that everyone plays nice — or at least hide it better, for “the kids”.
---

V.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

Hulk = "The Big Green Guy"
Ironman = "The Guy in the suit"
Thor = "The Guy with the hammer"

WTF is that about? I know you can't have those characters on the Netflix shows, but the *least* you could do is mention them by name. Ridiculous.


>Like, I know there's contractual and time limitations on
>getting shit to happen, but like I said, for the Netflix shows
>to lightly mention the huge battle from "The Avengers" as "the
>incident" is fuckin stupid.

The show gets better and better IMO. My wife and I did a recap/review of the Season 5 premiere on our podcast. Check it out via the links below.

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Episode #35

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I really like what they've done with the character.

They've been on 11 since he came back.

How old is Robin (the girl with the wooden bird) if she's in the future with them? 100+?

So she's like 80's or 90's?

I binged the least 4 episodes this season and its been fantastic. I'm fully vested, more than I have been in a couple seasons.

I'm guessing he'll either magically become strong enough to find all of the rock pieces they need for the time machine, or anti-Quake the planet back together.

The longer this goes on, the more mad I get like "Where were the Avengers, to stop this ONE person from destroying the planet?" I'm trying to enjoy the show on it's own merit, but it's hard.

It sucks no one figured out that Robin was strong enough to see multiple realities at once, and that she never got enough training to decipher the difference.

>The longer this goes on, the more mad I get like "Where were
>the Avengers, to stop this ONE person from destroying the
>planet?"

To be fair to the Avengers they can only stop world ending events if glowing lights apepar in the air at night and the villian needs to rise to a certain pointin the air at .05mph.

When that happens they stop it!

Looks like Quake may have done this during the afternoon with no lights and no ascension into the sky.


>It sucks no one figured out that Robin was strong enough to
>see multiple realities at once, and that she never got enough
>training to decipher the difference.

Well, in the sci-fi of Philip K. Dick this is dealt with a lot for pre-cogs.

The possible futures appear in a grid and sometimes one is brighter than all the others, sometimes all possibilities seem equally probable. So they can get confused as to what actually happened in the past too.

if she was taken from current time into the future then she was no longer around to quake the world apart right?

so many balls in the air, so many mysteries to unravel.
screenrant's got a handy infographic too: https://screenrant.com/agents-shield-season-5-timeline-explained/.


V.

Not sure how much longer they can keep the time-displaced story going. I know they are going to come out of it and back to their timeline, but the last two eps, why not exactly filler could've been one episode. If they don't wrap this up and move on in 2 eps I'm going to be disappointed, because the thread they left open before Fitz went into Cryo was dope.

We need Hunter back in the fold as well, since we know Mocking Bird isn't around (is the Orville getting renewed) he might as well be part of the team again, I enjoyed the hell out of him and Fitz together.

The more this drags out, the more I get annoyed back to my original point of AoS not connecting with any of the other properties. You can't not recognize the Infinity event in any shape, form, or fashion. That'd be a major L.

She hasn't watched a single one of the show and asked me "How does this tie in to the movies?" I just looked at her and said the show hasn't really tied into the films since season 3. I know last season had some themes from Dr.Strange but not like s1-s3 which had motivations tied to the films.

If they can tie this show back to MCU, I think it would be better. This season has gotten grittier which I like but without connections to MCU, I'm not sure if I can keep this on the DVR. It might just be something I can catch up on HULU or Netflix.

and it wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be. It started off really well, but the payoff of killing Kasius and getting back to the present timeline felt like "meh".

>and it wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be. It
>started off really well, but the payoff of killing Kasius and
>getting back to the present timeline felt like "meh".

i thought it was dope as fuck.

I think I first felt this reading the Age of Apocalypse comics
as a kid, but when characters I like are in super bleak
situations or alternate timelines, I get so nauseous. Seeing
YoYo all chopped up was awful. And her being all cryptic and
shit.

Looks like Coulson has the same techno-spider-web shit going
on that Tony had in IM2. Too bad they'll never have anyone pop
in like "Oh, Tony had that same shit going on. Let me
have him help you clear that right up."

This 2nd half of the season is gonna overlap BP, Jessica
Jones, and Infinity War, and it's fucked up they won't even
remotely address any of it.

yeah he was the big bad, but it was more about them repeating that time loop over and over. that's what the other Yoyo was trying to explain. they keep defeating Kasius and getting back home but the Earth still gets destroyed and they keep ending up back there again and again.

I expected: I thought Flint would go back in time with them and that would cause the Earth shattering event.

I mean his talent is "Terrakinessis."

He could have also gone back with them and stopped the shattering by holding the Earth together.



I think we're going to see at least 1 more loop.

I think the loops are why Robin can see so many timelines. They think they’re going home for good and the events keep occurring and ending them in the same place.

I thought the kid would burn himself out trying to piece the planet together all at once.

Worried about the second arc though...it’s so circular and bleak...

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

But, nevermind that, let's reheat the Ghost Rider storyline and see why Coulson has the techno-chicken-pox. It's like Blake Griffin saying "Oh, no thank you" to a wide open alley-oop.

I'd rather it be explained as a multiverse than the lightest of light references to the movie events. I don't think I'm asking for much.

Marvel isn't going to let them do anything materially related to the MCU.

I have watched AoS since day 1, and it took a while to get off the ground, but last season and the first half of this season have been pretty entertaining.

I keep hoping they throw in just slight glimpses at this and the Netflix shit in Infinity War, that's really all I want. Luke Cage beating someone up in an alley and looking up to see aliens coming down. Coulson seeing a Thanos ship on a monitor. SOMETHING.

That’s the word: SOMETHING. The culmination of 10 years of film that this show is based on, and not even a nod. Like, the cheapest Avenger you can get should be able to come on the show and find out Coulson hasn’t been dead for 6 years.

Still don't understand how her arms got cut off.

Also, why she can superspeed take away guns but but just take them all out? Speedsters should just kill people while running, right??

And why did they take the beacon back?? Blow that shit up and destroy it dudes!

Shield is super dumb a lot of the time, or these writers are bad.

>Still don't understand how her arms got cut off.
I'm guessing she was holding them straight out in front of her on some oh noo if i super reach i can save him steeze ???

>
>Also, why she can superspeed take away guns but but just take
>them all out? Speedsters should just kill people while
>running, right??
Its frustrating how much stuff could be resolved with speedsters just actually using their power, especially on the flash

>
>And why did they take the beacon back?? Blow that shit up and
>destroy it dudes!
>
>Shield is super dumb a lot of the time, or these writers are
>bad.
yeah

another thing was, when they went back in time they stated that you get taken back in time but to the same location. Why did zima lover guy end up at the park???

with all that said, i actually enjoyed this latest episode lol

i havent watched this since they were on the blue planet w/ ward

>i havent watched this since they were on the blue planet w/
>ward

Fitz has had quite an arc.

Deke's whole intro to earth was pretty hilarious.

this shit's clearly not gonna tie into IW at ALL (we all knew it anyways), but...how fucking cool would it be if it DOES, and they're just keeping it under wraps?

.....


no?
lol.
i still have hope dammit.

V.

with the Asgardian sighted in NYC line

just in case it ends up being the last season. i would say that increases the changes they may do a tie in at least to make their fans happy.

i liked the line they used in the latests episode. something about theres a few fans but they make noise lol

yep. great meta line by May.
actually i lol'd quite a number of times in the last eps, despite the heavy shit going down.
they're really stepping up the Whedonesque banter n shit.

V.

i kind of took that line as admitting that this is the last season though. theyre recognizing they have some passionate fans, but it is still a small fanbase in the end.

With way shorter seasons.

but it will require a smaller budget. It means the cast will be reduced and there will be less location shoots. Which wouldn't necessarily be bad.

>With way shorter seasons.

how long can we expect shows to go on for? last season was great, i havent enjoyed this season too much. i am hoping they finish this season up strong, then i will be good.

it has had a good run. they have more than made sitting through the first season and a half worth it.

i can see it going for at least another couple seasons.

V.

wow what a fucking emotional ep tho.
Phil finally letting his walls down, being emotionally honest with his family (which May poignantly reminds him isn't just a 'team').
his multiple showdowns with Daisy.
the psychological mindfuck of fake-Deathlok making him re-examine EVERYTHING.

i cried like a little bitch.
for like, at least a quarter of the entire runtime lol.

was SO psyched to see J. August Richards make the cut, and absolutely CRUSH the small amount of screen time he got. that man has been one of my favourite actors on the small screen since he was killin it as Charles Gunn on "Angel".

i'm pretty sure i heard FitzSimmons fans worldwide heave a huge sigh of relief lol. they finally got hitched. whether or not this means the writers will find even MORE reason to fuck with them? we'll see.

i think everyone guessed Deke was gonna end up being related to the SHIELD team sumhow (also his little bits with Deathlok in b/w the wedding were fucking hilarious). he needs to stick around. he is the perfect snappy mouthpiece for that classic Whedonesque dialogue.

so are we really gonna lose Coulson? the show made a pretty awesome statement about him being the heart of SHIELD. i mean he was present for every step of the MCU leading up to Avengers 1. and he was absolutely PIVOTAL in that film in rallying the troops and bringing them all together. he's the reason the Avengers even avenge things. i think the writers did good on reminding all of us that Phil's technically the human beating heart of this whole decade-long Marvel project. and to have him be completely sidelined from the MCU, not even MENTIONED post-Avengers, must be so insulting to Clark on a personal level. we also got one of the most direct references to the MCU in a long time with fake-Deathlok mentioning Loki's scepter.

with this ridiculous rift b/w tv and movie depts, everyone loses out. but i am so glad i've been along for the ride. i think Coulson's gotta be one of the greatest characters i've ever seen in either film or tv: completely selfless, all about the greater good, believes in SHIELD when SHIELD isn't even a thing anymore, goes through the trauma of dying and coming back and uses it to make his second chance count, acts as mentor, confidant, leader and father figure to a team that became his family, often willing to sacrifice himself. like, he's got more superhero qualities than the superheroes imo. he's the embodiment of SHIELD at its purest and idealistic. he makes u wanna believe that evil shit doesn't have to always triumph.

i really hope this isn't the last season.

V.

>i'm pretty sure i heard FitzSimmons fans worldwide heave a
>huge sigh of relief lol. they finally got hitched. whether or
>not this means the writers will find even MORE reason to fuck
>with them? we'll see.

I was like, bruh, watch Ward snipe one of these niggas and fuck this whole thing up. Speaking of Ward, how was he not someone's worst fear?

>i think everyone guessed Deke was gonna end up being related
>to the SHIELD team sumhow (also his little bits with Deathlok
>in b/w the wedding were fucking hilarious). he needs to stick
>around. he is the perfect snappy mouthpiece for that classic
>Whedonesque dialogue.

I wasn't expecting him to be a relative of FS. DL was being super nice, like when a mofo won't stop talking to you on the train.

This episode felt like "Hey, if we don't get renewed, at least you know how we feel."

the wedding was the only thing was weird to me

i guess the intentionally left it as a surprise and didnt have any build up. i was just blindsided so it felt out of place. almost felt like they just needed to fill in time.

once i stepped back a little i see how it fits in, but at the moment i was puzzled.

really enjoyed the coulson part with peterson. it almost made too much sense that it could be true. i think what doesnt add up is the connection to civil war.

the last 2 episodes have been really good, hope they keep this up.

for a "love letter to the fans" type episode it could easily have gotten too cheesy with the call backs, but they handled it very well.

deke is pretty annoying. i get that so many things are new to him or things he had only heard about but why does he act like an actual kid? that doesnt make sense.

this episode had me hoping this isnt the last season.

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S4 was fantastic. S5 has been very good.

I tell ppl if they can make it past the slow start in S1, the show gets better from there.

now i really want it renewed

But I don’t think I was ready for her character to die. Or to see a dude get his head smushed.

Why didn't Ruby do that to Daisy?? Oh, main character? Fine.

I really fucking hated the dwelling on Yo-Yo's pain and suffering. I could have done with a lot less of that.

And Daisy et. al giving Yo Yo shit for killing Ruby. Colson's kicked dude into gravitonium, killed Chet from Weird Sceince, killed --killed a lot of people.

So yeah, it's okay to kill the insane person who chopped the arms off a team mate - why even give YoYo shit at all??

Not sure if that breaks the time loop yet - I doubt it.

>Not sure if that breaks the time loop yet - I doubt it.
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also, yoyo annoys me a ton to be honest

NO ONE is listening to her orders so far. she's terrified of causing (directly or indirectly) the Earth to be destroyed so she's doing whatever she thinks she can without using her powers. she probably feels bad for Ruby a bit.

having said all that, i'm not may at Yo-Yo at all. the minute she recognized her as the person who cut off her arms, all bets are off. saving the world is just a bonus.

they've always had a tie-in with the major movies like Civil War and Age of Ultron so it's probably going to happen with this one too. the episode this week would have been the lead in to the movie when it was still going to be the May 4th release date. I wonder if moving Infinity War up a week is going to be weird for them?

haven't bought tickets for infinity war yet

This site is doubling down and says we are - still pretty much a rumor at this point till ABC says so

https://movietvtechgeeks.com/agents-of-shield-devils-complex-earns-marvels-show-season-6

UPDATE: 4-5-2018 6:30 PM ET: We’ve now had the news of Agents of SHIELD being renewed for season 6 confirmed by three sources at ABC, Disney and the production team letting us know the show will go on.

Agents of SHIELD deserves a season 6. Fantastic writing in the past three episodes shouldn’t go to waste. Before we go on, for those who haven’t caught up, this is a SPOILER ALERT. You can come back later. If you are, let’s revel in how great SHIELD has been lately. It’s just sad we have to discuss life support every season since season 3. My initial view of the season’s first arc really felt dark and stifling, but ever since the team came home from the future, things seemed to perk up. I’ve been having a pretty busy life lately not having been able to discuss this show since episode 99.

Agents of SHIELD Season 6 News: Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen told TV Line that they were ready for Season 5 to be the end of the line for SHIELD, but ABC has other plans for them with a Season 6 renewal. Our friends at the network let us know that it’s not over yet, and a move back to Tuesday night might be coming.

Many have been predicting the end of the show due to its low numbers, but Agents of SHIELD is one people DVR and watch over the weekend. Like CW’s Supernatural, SHIELD has a very loyal stable audience which counts for a lot with Marvel. Plus that Marvel, Disney and ABC connection is powerful, and with the new Avengers: Infinity War film about to hit, you can bet a killer weekend box office number will help push their decision.

“Disney doesn’t want to lose another Avengers connection on network television,” out ABC source said. “With the upcoming season 5 finale coming in May, expect a season 6 announcement which should give diehard fans some good news.”

"Have you seen what's going on in New York?"

That could mean so many things, at this point.

They could have even quickly reshot that too with just those 2 actors.

it will be interesting if they include something from the ending of infinity war in the next episode.

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random characters just start dissapearing?!

even random folks

guess AoS is part of the MCU since they are full on talking about Thanos and the happenings of IW.

Would love to see Talbot get mopped by Thanos for being a fuck nigga lol.

>Would love to see Talbot get mopped by Thanos for being a
>fuck nigga lol.

Well, that's a relief. There's no way AoS can be in the same universe and ignore the Thanos situation. Also, there was no way that Giant Confederacy ship just appear in the sky and the Avengers not respond unless they were otherwise busy.


>guess AoS is part of the MCU since they are full on talking
>about Thanos and the happenings of IW.

the Confederacy ship blacked out the town. no communications can get in or out. SHIELD didn't even detect the ship until it was right on top of them.

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and that at least the entire seasons storyline ties right in with IW.
look like we got SOME cohesion with the overall MCU after all.

am i the only one who thinks Talbot COULD'VE posed a threat to Thanos? dude's insanely powerful right now.
instead he cracks the world apart cos of his ego.

the introduction of Talbot/Graviton was so epic btw. very cinematic. awesome seeing Adrian Pasdar step up and be given such a huge role in the show other than being a foil for Coulson.

Coulson and May's smooch made me simultaneously laugh, smile and man-cry lol. awesome moment. the dialogue's been so Whedonesque these last couple eps too.

give us a season 6 already!

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>and that at least the entire seasons storyline ties right in
>with IW.
>look like we got SOME cohesion with the overall MCU after
>all.
>
>am i the only one who thinks Talbot COULD'VE posed a threat to
>Thanos? dude's insanely powerful right now.
>instead he cracks the world apart cos of his ego.

thanos without gauntlet i'd give it to graviton. with gauntlet? well, you know...

>the introduction of Talbot/Graviton was so epic btw. very
>cinematic. awesome seeing Adrian Pasdar step up and be given
>such a huge role in the show other than being a foil for
>Coulson.

yes, that was so well done. pasdar is murdering that role imo.

>Coulson and May's smooch made me simultaneously laugh, smile
>and man-cry lol. awesome moment. the dialogue's been so
>Whedonesque these last couple eps too.

often times moments like this don't live up to the anticipation. not only did they nail it, but they also nailed the seasons long lead up. a really awesome touch was the pause and look that daisy gave them as she passed them to go kick some ass, lol.

>give us a season 6 already!

most definitely. this show is killin' it.

>am i the only one who thinks Talbot COULD'VE posed a threat to
>Thanos? dude's insanely powerful right now.
>instead he cracks the world apart cos of his ego.

could have been very interesting at least. Talbot knows absolutely nothing about Thanos and what he's getting himself into though. along with not being in his right mind and Thanos already with 5 stones by time he gets to Earth, i don't think it would go well for Graviton. without the stones ... i'd like to see it.

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/945817-marvels-agents-of-shield-renewed-for-season-6

22 1-hour episodes is cool if you don't watch shit else. Shit is poppin' for nerds now, and it's tough to spread time across everything you would want to spend time watching.

sweet!

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happy with this

Perfect length, and if it does well, fuggit, renew for another shortened season.

After Captain Marvel and Avengers 4

it looks like they are announcing it as the last season right? im hoping it ties in big with the MCU and they end with a bang.

just when i thought they were done fucking with FitzSimmons. yikes.
good thing they reminded us there's a frozen current-timeline Fitz out there somewhere. but that's gonna be a whole other kind of headfuck for Simmons to deal with.
Daisy's powerup was dope.
Graviton is a floating spacesicle but that still leaves it open for a future return.
the whole Chicago set piece was phenomenal, from Talbot's ship landing to extracting the gravitonium, and Daisy's throwdown with him. it felt like an MCU film.
goddamnit i was gonna throw something at the screen if Mack was actually done for. outside of it being a whole "let's kill the black guy" trope (RIP Agent Triplett), i think it made a heckuva lot of sense giving him the reigns. dude is on that Captain America idealism tip which is what's supposed to define S.H.I.E.L.D.
Coulson actually ending up in Tahiti was a nice touch. time for him and May to enjoy some 'para-sailing' (hopefully of the horizontal variety).
considering there's now officially a season 6, that should pretty much mean Coulson gets yet another life extension. and with his long-awaited return to the MCU next year, we can start to hope s6 will be intricately woven into the future of the MCU post-Avengers 4 (i know his inclusion in Captain Marvel is set in the 90s, but i think it might be a sneaky plan to get Coulson back into the current timeline MCU for future flicks).

it was definitely an emotional episode that got me in the feels on multiple occasions, but at times bordering on hokey with some of the dialogue, and Coulson's oddly gleeful celebration of Fitz's death, and his own impending demise. but one thing that made this whole show start to come together and click for me in the first place (sometime in season 3 i think), was the emotional connection between the team. without that, it becomes more procedural and a little colder. once they start acting like a 'family' instead of just a 'unit', i got fully invested in their collective and individual journeys.

hats off to the whole crew.
we'll see em again in 2019 i guess?

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>just when i thought they were done fucking with FitzSimmons.
>yikes

Mack and May's expressions when they realized Fitz was going into shock and when he died...strong

>good thing they reminded us there's a frozen current-timeline
>Fitz out there somewhere. but that's gonna be a whole other
>kind of headfuck for Simmons to deal with.
hold on, explain this to me...i thought current timeline fitz was sent into the future to bring everyone back??? i feel the terminator time loop shit playing games with me....i thought everyone but fitz was taken from the diner, so once he went into the future, how was there a current timeline fitz still around????



Simmons is already pregnant, so it "took," although it's odd how Deke kind of faded...

>Daisy's powerup was dope.
>Graviton is a floating spacesicle but that still leaves it
>open for a future return.
>the whole Chicago set piece was phenomenal, from Talbot's ship
>landing to extracting the gravitonium, and Daisy's throwdown
>with him. it felt like an MCU film.
>goddamnit i was gonna throw something at the screen if Mack
>was actually done for. outside of it being a whole "let's kill
>the black guy" trope (RIP Agent Triplett), i think it made a
>heckuva lot of sense giving him the reigns. dude is on that
>Captain America idealism tip which is what's supposed to
>define S.H.I.E.L.D.
>Coulson actually ending up in Tahiti was a nice touch. time
>for him and May to enjoy some 'para-sailing' (hopefully of the
>horizontal variety).
>considering there's now officially a season 6, that should
>pretty much mean Coulson gets yet another life extension. and
>with his long-awaited return to the MCU next year, we can
>start to hope s6 will be intricately woven into the future of
>the MCU post-Avengers 4 (i know his inclusion in Captain
>Marvel is set in the 90s, but i think it might be a sneaky
>plan to get Coulson back into the current timeline MCU for
>future flicks).
>
>it was definitely an emotional episode that got me in the
>feels on multiple occasions, but at times bordering on hokey
>with some of the dialogue, and Coulson's oddly gleeful
>celebration of Fitz's death, and his own impending demise. but
>one thing that made this whole show start to come together and
>click for me in the first place (sometime in season 3 i
>think), was the emotional connection between the team. without
>that, it becomes more procedural and a little colder. once
>they start acting like a 'family' instead of just a 'unit', i
>got fully invested in their collective and individual
>journeys.
>
>hats off to the whole crew.
>we'll see em again in 2019 i guess?
>
>V.

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>>good thing they reminded us there's a frozen
>current-timeline
>>Fitz out there somewhere. but that's gonna be a whole other
>>kind of headfuck for Simmons to deal with.
>hold on, explain this to me...i thought current timeline fitz
>was sent into the future to bring everyone back??? i feel the
>terminator time loop shit playing games with me....i thought
>everyone but fitz was taken from the diner, so once he went
>into the future, how was there a current timeline fitz still
>around????
>


Fitz didn't go into the future. He was cryogenically frozen for 90 years i Enoch's ship. Then Enoch woke him up and that's when he showed up with the rest of the gang in the future. So Fitz (who was not taken from the diner) is in a ship right now orbiting Earth. The crew are going to find him and wake him up. Since he never makes it to the future, he doesn't know anything about what's happened.

From his perspective, the crew disappeared from the diner, he went into cryo to make it to the future, then he wakes up a few weeks later instead. They fill him in on all that happened.

i figured fitz was gone for real. the note card made my eyes open but i didnt make a connection lol

pretty good season but i think season 4 has been the best.

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>>>good thing they reminded us there's a frozen
>>current-timeline
>>>Fitz out there somewhere. but that's gonna be a whole other
>>>kind of headfuck for Simmons to deal with.
>>hold on, explain this to me...i thought current timeline
>fitz
>>was sent into the future to bring everyone back??? i feel
>the
>>terminator time loop shit playing games with me....i thought
>>everyone but fitz was taken from the diner, so once he went
>>into the future, how was there a current timeline fitz still
>>around????
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>Fitz didn't go into the future. He was cryogenically frozen
>for 90 years i Enoch's ship. Then Enoch woke him up and that's
>when he showed up with the rest of the gang in the future. So
>Fitz (who was not taken from the diner) is in a ship right now
>orbiting Earth. The crew are going to find him and wake him
>up. Since he never makes it to the future, he doesn't know
>anything about what's happened.
>
>From his perspective, the crew disappeared from the diner, he
>went into cryo to make it to the future, then he wakes up a
>few weeks later instead. They fill him in on all that
>happened.
>

to make this "linear," i suppose fitz went into cryo a few weeks before everyone from the future made it back to "present" time right? do we have any idea how much time elapsed that they were in the future, and do we know how close to the diner snatching they arrive back?

this all means that after they take him out of the ship, he will never make it to 90 years into the future right?....yup mindfuck.

my take on it is that since the future they came back from won't actually happen anymore, once they thaw out current-timeline Fitz then he can potentially live a long natural life.

V.

completely forgot about space Fitz for a minute. Quake vs Graviton was pretty cool. Coulson end to the "magical place" was great. had that been the final episode ever, I think I would have been satisfied.

I’m putting little to no effort into trying to figure out the Space Fitz theory, but, whatever.

From the start they've shit on dude

(that reference will only make sense to "Buffy/Angel" fans).

V.

Totally does makes sense

was on vacation for last few weeks so got behind. just watched the last 4 eps or so over the last week.

damn, what a good show! what a finale! definitely had the emotions going. very clever way of getting drawing emotions from us with fitz while still keeping the character in the show. whenever time is involved it can be tricky for writers to keep things making sense but i think they did a good job this season.

don't know how i feel about a AoS show without coulson so i guess we'll see how things go. they got greenlit for a season 6th, right? i thought i had read that somewhere.

one complaint though that has bothered me for a while. i don't like how they basically have made daisy's power pushing people around.