If Daldry doesn't do it, hopefully, whoever does is able to do their thing.


'Star Wars' Obi-Wan Kenobi Film in the Works (Exclusive)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-film-planned-director-talks-1030505

Oscar-nominated filmmaker Stephen Daldry is in early talks for the film, which would center on the Jedi Master who has been played by both Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor.

Stephen Daldry is Star Wars’ new hope.

The Oscar-nominated director behind Billy Elliot and The Hours is in early talks to direct a Star Wars standalone movie centering on Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

Sources say talks are at the earliest of stages and that the project has no script. If a deal makes, Daldry would oversee the development and writing with Lucasfilm brass. It's not known at this stage if Ewan McGregor will reprise his role.

The Obi-Wan Kenobi standalone is one of several projects being developed by Lucasfilm and Disney that fall outside the trilogies telling the saga of the Skywalker family. A Han Solo movie is now in the final stages of shooting under new director Ron Howard and Lucasfilm is also looking at movies featuring Yoda and bounty hunter Boba Fett, among others.

In the original Star Wars trilogy, Kenobi was at first a desert-dwelling and war-weary hermit who later proved to be a wise and powerful warrior, brandishing a light saber. He was briefly a mentor to a young Luke before being cut down by Darth Vader, his former pupil. Alec Guinness played Kenobi, garnering him an Oscar nomination to boot.

The character got star treatment in the George Lucas-directed prequels which told the origin of Vader and his betrayal of Kenobi and the Jedis. McGregor has said he would be open to playing the character again. Sources stress, however, that since there is no script, no actor is attached.

Daldry hails from the theater world and made his feature debut with Billy Elliot, which netted him his first directing Oscar nomination. He followed that up with searing dramas The Hours and The Reader, which also netted him directing nominations.

He most recently directed episodes of Netflix’s period drama The Crown, which put him into play in this Emmy season.

He is repped by CAA.

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On one hand the Disney-Wars have all been solid ass sci-fi fantasy flicks and even in this comic book age of movies it's a rarity. Plus Macgregor/cartoon Obi-Wan was a shining light during those pre-quel times

On the other, I am still not sold on the fact that these stories need to be told; seems to be blatant fanboyism...we've got arguably the richest movie universe ever....and we are still effectively hanging out with the same handful of characters over and over again. We gonna visit young Leah next? Perhaps Seth Rogan directing a comedy based on Cheers and the Cantina? A Netflix drama on who designed Boba Fett's helmet in the empire?

same.. if this takes place between 3 and 4, isn't he supposed to just hang around and watch over Luke? How fun is that? I'm sure they will have him go on some adventure but he says in IV he hasn't gone by Obi-Wan in a long, long time. I'd rather have new character stories as well, gonna have X-Men type timelines pretty soon.

probably even pre-anakin.

would be better. I saw rumors of getting Ewan McGregor back and while he played him well, just don't think there is much story to tell for his age without screwing things up.

i'd like to get to know the characters that have been introduced, first. all we know about any of them is surface level.

>

I'd be interested in revisiting the character in that context- give us actual good movies for that story (should have been a slam dunk)

If not?

Move on.

As far as milking old characters...I think, at least for now, they can put "Star Wars" on just about anything and make money.

I want to see an Obi Wan origin movie as much I want to see a Solo origin movie...oh wait.

let them shits be forgotten and die.

nm

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/08/17/star-wars-boba-fett-yoda-movie-standalones/

Look, they've done a dope episode featuring Obi-Wan in Rebels, so you can do an Obi-Wan movie on Tattoine that takes place between 3 and 4. I think they even do it in the comics. Plus, Ewan McGregor doesn't come back then all my interest is zapped out of this.

Now with all that said, I gotta agree that the galaxy is starting to feel smaller and smaller with blatant cash grabs.

No way should there be a fucking Boba Fett movie. The only reason he was ever popular was cause he looked cool. And the prequels destroyed all mystique he had. Dude got taken out by a blind guy by accident.

And I like the idea of a Star Wars movie exploring the criminal underworld of the galaxy, but with Jabba? I don't dunno. There's a lot of ways this could fall flat on its face.

Honestly, some spin-offs I'd like to see is the aforementioned criminal underworld movie or a movie on how the first Jedi came to be and/or the Old Republic.

film would be ideal. You could have both Boba Fett and Jabba in that, along with others that we saw in the Clone Wars show like Cad Bane, the Black Sun, etc.

We definitely don't need to see a Yoda film. I'd much rather see them do something from another era like an Old Republic film featuring Revan, or a film about the Mandalorian Wars.

I bet there will be an official casting announcement by the end of the year.

If he doesn't get casted I'm good on this film b.

Dude was literally a shining star in the prequels. I mean dude spent 20 minutes in one of these riding a giant lizard chasing an asthmatic robot (I still have no idea who he is). He earned the right to be in his own movie.

There's been rumours of expanding on that tv show/game idea thaf had partial development (game wise) where they explore that underworld of bounty hunters and the crime world. Atleast I hope tbats what these reports mean, I don't want a Yoda movie at all.

I don't think they are milking characters but it only makes sense business wise and story wise.to keep exploring the current world built till this new generation of kids is even more onto the lore of star wars before doing the fam service we as adults want by doing new characters and doing things like The Old Republic. They have shown they are willing to d othose things but little by little.


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Are in development.

And seeing how there's a Han Solo movie as well as an Obi-Wan movie, I don't put anything past Disney.

And to me and a lot of people, it seems like cash grabs. Almost all of these characters have been explored already. Like I said there's some potential for a Ben movie, but let's wait and see if they can execute it properly.

If Star Wars wants to survive, they're gonna have to do new things with new characters and stop trotting out the old ones and playing it safe. To me all these spin-offs with old characters is fan service. Especially since Han, Yoda, Boba, and Jabba don't need movies

Or back to back with new characters. Damn 7 new ones in development, I hope they don't go through witbobafet bobafett and Jabba. I disagree with the Han movie tho i still think it was a good idea
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IG @h_n_z

the best possible product if these do go through.

Are television, rumours were they wanted to really focus on tv/streaming shows. Like they might wait to do 10-11-12 if they even end up doing those. And the announcment of Disney pulling out of their Netflix deals in the future after buying the streaming company responsible for (MLB Tv) it seems to be some truth to those rumours of doing that.

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Nm

As in, an original story. Not the backstory to existing characters. Not one that connects one of the pre-existing movies to another.

I mean a totally new story set in the same universe with new characters are nothing to do with the Starwalkers.

I'm going to go see the Last Jedi and I'm going to see the Han Solo movie and I'll see the next few until they run the franchise into the ground, but I really wish they'd go off in a new direction instead of mining the old movies for every ounce of gold.

There's so much potential in exploring this galaxy and instead, we keep getting the same ole same ole.

They proved they can make us care about new characters, do new things now too.

One of the problems with what they've been doing with films that cross over into the existing movies or have backstory for those characters is that they have to tip toe around current cannon. Retconning some stuff, stretch explanations for other stuff, etc. If they would do a completely new story they wouldn't have to worry about inconsistencies or having people nitpick the circumstances.

They could either set a film thousands of years before the original trilogy, or they could make a true side story during the same time period that has nothing to do with the Empire/Rebellion dynamic.

I do think they are planning on doing something in the Old Republic era at some point. Since the new cannon has been established, they haven't even touched that era - not with film, books, even video games. If they weren't planning on doing something there then it would be no big deal to have someone write a cannon Old Republic novel or develop a new cannon video game or something. But they seem to be saving that era for something specific - maybe a movie or a TV show.

If they wanted to do a side story movie in the same era, then as I mentioned above it needs to not be about the Empire/Rebellion galactic civil war plot. They have plenty of options - a criminal underworld film could fit that criteria. They could do a political thriller film set on a planet that is neutral. They could do something like that on Mandalore, or some new planet we've never heard of.

They could also do a film about an unknown Jedi who is in isolation after the Jedi purge. Maybe an "ex-Jedi" who completely stopped using the force because he lost his faith and also to keep from being detected. But stuff ends up happening, and he has to take up arms. Maybe he even decides to seek out the Rebel Alliance but gets killed off at the end of the film before he can make his presence known.

I don't know, but there are TONS of options, and I really don't want to see a film about what Boba Fett eats for breakfast.

But I think thats on hold till they figure out what else they explore in this world, ie Old Republic.

I think would be a good branching out starting point would be the outter galaxy where Thrawn was at before Palpatine recruited him. Having him as the main villain for some new batch of characters out there would be cool to see. Plus to the casual or only movie watches Thrawn is not known to any of them
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-ewan-mcgregor-talks-an-obi-wan-kenobi-series-disney-1201364

Ewan back!!!

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1177697219027193856?s=19

https://youtu.be/TWTfhyvzTx0

This show is great so far. Heading in I had a few reservations and a couple have already been resolved. Spoilers:





















First, the premise is outstanding. I knew from the trailers that we’d be leaving Tatooine early. Great for the show (I’m tired of Tatooine) but I knew we’d be hearing some SW fans complaining about “Kenobi shouldn’t leave Tatooine, he should be a hermit there watching Luke the entire time between Episode 3 and 4). They addressed this in a GREAT and unexpected way with the show being about him leaving to rescue Leia instead, freeing them up completely with the story locations and also showing his reluctance to leave or to return to any Jedi ways (the scene with him having to use the Force to save her from falling was so well done.)

Second, I wasn’t sure how they would make Reva compelling as the main villain (separate from Vader). It’s tough to do that with a new character interacting with LONG established characters. But my goodness they did this GREAT. Opening with Order 66 and the younglings (especially jarring this week with another elementary school shooting.) They didn’t outright say it yet, but I’m pretty sure that Reva is one of those younglings. There was a Black girl in that scene, one of the older kids in the group. If so - you can DEFINITELY see why she’d have a personal vendetta against Kenobi. I’d guess we’ll see more flashbacks. But likely that she sees all her friends get killed, and somehow hides there at the Jedi temple, waiting for someone to save her.

If you remember in Episode III, Kenobi and Yoda returned to the temple after Anakin and the troops killed everyone, watched the security footage there, and Kenobi recorded a message going out to all the Jedi to NOT return to the Temple because it had fallen. From Reva’s perspective she may have been hiding there waiting for someone to find her. She may have seen that message after he left - and realized that Kenobi was THERE, didn’t sense her to save her, AND told all the rest of the Jedi not to come back so she had no hope of being saved. From that point after that she must have gotten caught by Anakin/Vader, who was impressed enough by her to not kill her immediately, but to bring her into the ranks of the Inquisitors. Maybe she survived on her own hiding in Couruscant for some time before being found. But in becoming an Inquisitor she would have been tortured and indoctrinated by Vader (who obviously also hates Kenobi.) So definitely makes sense that she’d be risking everything to get revenge.

Speaking of risking everything - she killed the Grand Inquisitor at the end of episode 2 - but in Rebels he’s alive through season 2 when he dies after a fight with Kanan. So either she didn’t actually kill him here, or that is a different Grand Inquisitor.

We finally got to see Alderaan in live action. Wow. Also saw Temuera Morrison cameo as that veteran clone trooper, and Flea as the mercenary crew leader.

(Honestly my only issue with these two episodes was Leia as a little kid somehow outrunning a bunch of grown men - that scene could have been shot better with her using her knowledge of the environment to get away by climbing trees or running through a tunnel only she knew about, but they literally had her outrunning them for a while.)

They acted like she was an NFL running back doing parkour but in reality she was at arms length from them and running like a toddler LOL

It's odd they didn't fix that part of the action scene. Even when she ran away from Obi Wan she was literally RIGHT there next to him and Obi Wan moved so slow and acting like she was shaking him like Prime Time lol cmon man

I was definitely worried that we'd have another show where we're staring at the same sand dunes. I'm glad they switched it up.

I think the way they wrapped up this two episode arc was pretty clever. If I didn't know there were more episodes coming, I would have been okay with this being a two episode special event.

planned to be a movie. Good to give it the space to develop characters over a 6 episode event series…

>I think the way they wrapped up this two episode arc was
>pretty clever. If I didn't know there were more episodes
>coming, I would have been okay with this being a two episode
>special event.

Any action is this is a fucking disgrace.

The Jedi running out of the bar knocking down one awning and 3 inquisitor's are like "Geez, he sure got away!"

Flea and 2 other people being able to kill a guard but not scoop Leia up?

Lady gets her arm chopped off and doesn't make a peep afterwards?

Reva or Deva or whatever the fuck her name is doing parkour?

Leia jumping off a cliff after a bunch of "DON'T DO ITs from Obi Wan?"

Lettiing Obi-Wan get to the cargo ship was also stupid AF. Is it that there's no room to run inside of that bid LEF screen envirnoment?

Also the ships at the spaceport and on Alderaan lack of sense of weight.

And why doesn't Obi-Wan keep the hood on while "chasing" Leia? Not very good at stealth.

This would have made a better book.

But hey, it's on Disney and it is Star Wars so I'll keep watching.

this one just feels like filler for nitpick sake lol

>Also the ships at the spaceport and on Alderaan lack of sense
>of weight.

Beyond that I loved both episodes.

because you don't want to feel like a dick

except he did it for like 10 minutes.

imagine dreaming of the prequels every night

and i've seen every Star Wars movie in the theater since Empire Strikes back

my wife looked at me like I was crazy.

given the events of this week.
i usually kinda scoff at "trigger warnings" but this would have been understandable.

if several characters in multiple shows (and games) at this point - the original in Revenge of the Sith, from Cal’s POV while training with clones in Jedi Fallen Order, Ahsoka’s POV with Rex and the Clones on the last season of The Clone Wars, Grogu’s on Mando (or was that Book of Boba?) and the Bad Batch’s POV on their show. (I’m sure it’s also been shown in books but I haven’t read those.)

With all of that this was the first time we see it from the POV of the younglings literally in a classroom with their teacher fighting to save them and sacrificing themself. (Of course the quick scene in Episode III but that was Anakin’s perspective and a quick cutaway before what would happen.

And that drops a couple days after what happened in Texas…they couldn’t have changed it or really even delayed the release that close but the timing was crazy.

Ol girl actually did a running forward flip backward while jumping thing. And young Princess Leia is super cringe. Maybe it'll get better but....yikes.

i mean, i didn't wanna beat her up but..

yeah

No matter how much Vader I see, it's never not cool and amazing. And somehow there's always new things to see him do. For a Disney+ show to show him force choking a random citizen and then when his son comes out to help, Vader just snaps the kid's neck??? That's some horror movie stuff right there. And then setting a fire to force drag Kenobi through it??? Wow...

Also James Earl Jones sounds great here - they must be using AI to generate his lines because it doesn't sound as aged as it did in Rogue One.

Rest of the episode I enjoyed, minus more of the Leia running scenes. I'm loving Reva's character, and looking forward to seeing her actual motivation. I believe I mentioned it above after the premier, but I don't think she's just seeking out favor from Vader, but that she specifically hates Kenobi (likely due to her being a Youngling at the Jedi Temple and blaming him for sending out the message for Jedi to not return and also Kenobi being at the Temple but not finding/saving her or the remaining younglings.)

Episode 3 was so good

Darth Vader is the shit.. especially this young Vader.

Despite whatever flaws or whatever the nerds wanna nitpick at, I am feeling this show 10x as much as that Robert Rodriguez Book of Boba crap.

I fucking love Star Wars.

and it could be just that Im missing something, but...

okay Vader starts the fire, drags Obi through it, then he uses the force to put it out right? But then when the explosion happens and the fire is between them again, why doesnt he just put it out again with the force instead of allowing the droid to escape with him? Or was he just toying with his prey like a cat letting a mouse go since he did say "your suffering's only beginning"?

Or maybe Im missing something. Again thats a miniscule grape in an other wise AMAZING ep.

Also, I think the problem is in the past few years Vaders power has been displayed unevenly in the various media (comics, films, and tv). In some cases, Vader is just a beast and in others, he's strong but can be defeated with simple traps and whatnot.

I think this was just the initial shock of the large explosion and the trooper getting shot threw him off his game for a second.

For example, whatshername had a chance to take out Vader with a headshot but instead she kills a lowly storm trooper and gives up her position.

For multiple reasons - one might be what you said, he wants the suffering to continue later. Another might be that he was disappointed in how weak Kenobi was, and wanted him to go off and get himself together and bring a real challenge.

But I think the most interesting reason could be that Vader is sensing something - that Kenobi was there for a reason, beyond just helping Bail Organa get his daughter back. Not that he senses the presence of Leia as his daughter, but he senses something else in Kenobi in terms of motivation which has him curious enough to let him go to find out more later. I don't know - it was just something in the shot of Vader watching the droid pick up Kenobi...

Vader can tell Obi ain't at full power. I think he wants to kill him at his full strength.

It's simply bad writing.

I imagine someone saying telling these stories over a campfire would be awesome. My mind would make action that is 100 times better.,

Why is Obi-Wan so SHOOK?? Vader's M.O.P. and Obi-Wan is some commercial rapper with 1 hit.

Why can Vader use the force to frag Obi-Wan through a fire he started, but not through a fire someone else started?

Did the length and height of the fire extend infinity throughout the universe? The storm troopers couldn't run around it?

The slow loader robot got him far enough away to be undetectable by Vader?

How did Reva get ahead of Leia??

This is a badly written show that is ALSO constrained by being a prequel and that dictates what *must* happen in the story.

Boba Fett was a better show - wow - that's weird to say.

>Why is Obi-Wan so SHOOK?? Vader's M.O.P. and Obi-Wan is some
>commercial rapper with 1 hit.

because hes fat and he knows he cant win?

>Why can Vader use the force to frag Obi-Wan through a fire he
>started, but not through a fire someone else started?

who says he cant? he's telepathic right?

>Did the length and height of the fire extend infinity
>throughout the universe? The storm troopers couldn't run
>around it?

you gonna take it upon yourself to do something before darth vader tells you to? they're basically human robots off of an assembly line, and they just watched him murder like 6 people in the span of 30 seconds.

>The slow loader robot got him far enough away to be
>undetectable by Vader?

who says he was undetectable? hes telepathic right?

>How did Reva get ahead of Leia??

by not taking the long secret way to the port, and walking openly in the street? cmon lol

>This is a badly written show that is ALSO constrained by being
>a prequel and that dictates what *must* happen in the story.

seems like youre watching it to assess how well they make a show about obi wan kenobi, rather than watching a show about obi wan kenobi for entertainment because on the face of it, none of those things should impact anyones enjoyment of this show

...that I was with it until Vader actually showed up on the planet. Then it got ridiculous.

Call me an O.G. nitpicker or whatever, but it kind of dilutes the power the confrontation of the Vader/Obi-Wan stand-off in Episode 4 if they Vader not only knew he was alive but also fought him on some random mining planet. And yeah, I know that they made up the entire series as they went along, but these newer series work best when they plug holes, not add new ones.

The Inquistors hunting Obi-Wan/Leia and Third Sister's conflict with the rest of them is interesting. Vader is best served keeping him in the background.

the power of the confrontation in episode 4 is almost entirely created after the fact, other than seeing a lightsaber duel (and by extension the world of the Jedi) for the first time as

we didnt know anything about their relationship or their history, and the significance of it in the moment is viewed almost entirely thru the lens of Luke's loss. id have found it completely out of character for obi wan to surface and Vader NOT get directly involved.

i watched in the dark and i could feel my heart rate climbing

its funny. the sequel movies i couldnt help but shit on every little thing i didnt like or that didnt make perfect sense. with this, im taking everything at face value and letting the Wars-ness of it wash over me.

this show is a wonderful experience for me

I mean Vader grabbed dude out of the window to force choke him, killed his SON with the wave of a hand mid-force choke, all in front of dude's wife/the kid's mother. And for no other reason than to get a rise out of Kenobi so he'd be able to sense him. Seeing him walk down that street, with his breath stopping as he senses Kenobi...and Ewan McGregor straight up SELLING the fear that Kenobi had, was even better on the second watch.

Also some of the nit-picky issues with the way everything was shot was better on the re-watch. For example I saw folks complaining about Reva getting to the spaceport before Leia. It was clear on the rewatch that she didn't go the same route. When she opened the door within the hiding spot she had a knowing smile on her face like she knew exactly where it would lead, making it easy to see that she just left there and took the direct route out in the open to get there first.

Also Vader letting Kenobi go at the end was clear. He wants that fear that Kenobi had to fester and grow, so he can completely defeat his will and make him suffer. It's the perfect pre-amble to a more climatic fight coming later in which Kenobi will likely get his weight up and figure out some way to defeat Vader, maybe while making it seem like he's dead (I think they will be very careful to have this series line up with everything said in A New Hope.)

..transmission in Ep IV a bit weird

Leah hologram: Obi Wan Kenobi, you served my father in the Clone Wars

Ben: I did... go on.. wait, that's it? ... the fuck??!

That said i have zero gripe with the Vader stuff in this episode, i thought it was fuckin awesome.

message again:

https://youtu.be/8N_Cj3ZS9-A

She wasn’t asking to be rescued, she was asking him to come out of retirement and become “General Kenobi” again and to serve in the Rebellion effort to defeat the Empire. I’d remembered the message through the scope of what happened - Luke and Han rescued Leia and they escaped because of Kenobi sacrificing himself. But that wasn’t the plan - Kenobi was supposed to go to Alderaan where he’d be a general leading in the Rebel Alliance.

Given this - him having rescued Leia in the past is small potatoes compared to what she was asking, and it makes more sense for her to ask on behalf of her father for him to return to being a general as he was during the Clone Wars so many years ago.

as many times as i've seen it, the first couple lines are the only ones i remember. thanks.

Dude is a beast.

All the Obi-Wan/Vader content is great...until the action scenes.
Also Reva's acting is pretty bad.
It seems like there's content for 2 audiences here: the dark drama about Obi wan's guilt and regret and Vader's anger
AND
a plucky disney tv show about baby leia and a cartoon villain (Reva, based upon ol girl's acting)

Swinging from one to the other is...interesting

The Reva character and her acting is so so bad and cartoonish. Seems like Disney didnt want to fully commit to what could have been an amazing show exploring Vadar-Obi and felt the need to add stuff for kids. Its two different shows in one. Good enough to watch, but it could have been an all timer if they committed fully.

Okay. I love any and everything Star Wars (except Rise of Skywalker) but the action beats in this show are getting to be impossible to defend. There’s a lot of good things in this show that I love, but it’s getting distracting at this point. That rescue had no business working at ALL. Tala getting in with clearance there should have never happened. Her takedown of the officer in the room right behind several other officers shouldn’t have happened. Kenobi walking in a big trench coat with Leia underneath while the base is on high alert? Reva leaving Leila’s interrogation, Vader letting her get away with the excuse of tracking them, etc.

Also, possibly the worst thing of all. She made Leila’s droid the tracker. Where are they going now? If ANYWHERE other than Alderaan, WHY???? And if they are going to Alderaan, how does that help? The princess of Alderaan who YOU kidnapped, is back on Alderaan. Yeah that’s sus. They better not be going to the Jedi Underground Railroad planet. The whole point was to get Leia safe back to Bail in Alderaan.

I'm just shocked at how bad the action scenes are. I kept thinking the show would improve once Darth showed up but damn....watching Ewan McGregor play a mopy pushover and sci-fi channel action scenes is painful I'd put this waaaaaay below Mando and even Fett as the worst of the shows so far.

don't know if i'd call it bad, its still better than the prequels, but it feels like a TV level show in the era before prestige TV.

they're trying to make it so Obi and Leah have this Mando/Grogu type bond, but the lack of runway makes it feel kinda forced.

I think everyone is doing a good job with what they have to work with. as already mentioned, the action was pretty silly in this one.

guess i'll just accept it for what it is and try to enjoy the last 2

Okay at this point I've just come to terms with the fact that this show has big issues. I really enjoyed this episode, and the issues didn't surprise me because I'm used to them at this point.

But let's get the issues out of the way first...I mentioned it above after episode 4 - WHY would Kenobi go to Jabiim and not straight to Alderaan with Leia? First, his entire objective was to get Leia back to Bail. Even Bail himself is in this episode wondering wtf. (I'll get back to that shortly.) On top of that, he put ALL those people in danger going there and leading Vader straight to them, which could have an even greater impact on The Path and other force sensitives trying to get to safety.

The action scene special effects are still bad. The CG on ships in this episode was just as bad as in the last one when Vader was force-pulling that ship back down. It stands out even more with it being Vader though - feels like a waste using an epic character like Vader and then having budget constraints make it look like a fan film.

Back to Bail's message...how sloppy is that to be sending a communication specifically mentioning both Tatooine and "the boy"?

All that being said, again really enjoyed the episode - the flashback scenes with Obi-wan and Anakin training going back and forth to the chess match in the current period were great (even though Hayden looked his current age vs. Attack of the Clones era Anakin with the padawan braid.) The stuff with Reva was great in this episode also.

It's disappointing because this feels like they have a great story to tell, but the execution of it both in terms of budget and in some of the way it's shot just make it fall short of potential.

I'm not a Star Wars fan like that so I don't have a dog in the fight per se.

I think the Jabiim thing was explained because they had to rescue all of the other refugee's before the route closed. Obi-Wan is on their ship so he can't really dictate what happens.

Here's the battle between the storm troopers and the refugees summed up: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEB9TO2

Vader let force grabbed a whole ship but let Obi-Wan live because of some fire in his path.

Vader let Reva live. TWICE.

Reva's plan to kill Vader seems real convoluted.

A magical second ship appeared out of thin air with all of the passengers on it. The power of the force I tell you.

>I think the Jabiim thing was explained because they had to
>rescue all of the other refugee's before the route closed.
>Obi-Wan is on their ship so he can't really dictate what
>happens.

>Here's the battle between the storm troopers and the refugees
>summed up: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEB9TO2

Accurate. The action in this show is just so meh...it really should have been a 2 hour movie with Star Wars movie budget, with the fat trimmed off the story.

>Vader let Reva live. TWICE.
>
>Reva's plan to kill Vader seems real convoluted.
>
>A magical second ship appeared out of thin air with all of the
>passengers on it. The power of the force I tell you.

The second ship was actually there the whole time - you can see it in the shot while Vader (and the audience) is focused on the first ship.

Also on the rewatch - I loved the battle between Vader and Reva. It's dope to just watch him playing with her, not even bringing out his saber, while she's full of rage. Him detaching the dual saber to throw one to her and continue the duel was just insult to injury.

No idea why they didn't kill her at that point in the end though.

I think Ice Cube Jr sort of says why they went back to Jablim and not Alderaan but yeah. Still kind of dumb.

The CGI on the force pulling scene with Vader was really bad. The hanger area shouldve been practical and not done in the volume. The depth of field was all wrong, the scaling of the ship comapred to Vader was all wrong. It ruined the scene for me.

Okay so one more ep, here are my biggest gripes *kinda long, despite these gripes I still enjoy the show because well its fucking Star Wars LOL

There's been a lot of bad choices in either acting (Reva) or direction/cinematography (Chow/Chung). Saving the reveal of Reva's backstory was a bad choice. This should have been established from the get go so that we cared about her character. She either should have had a mask, been an alien or had an accent as well. I feel like this was a Woke over Serves The Story moment for this team to choose to do this. Moses is a good actress but not all good actors fit in Star Wars. I don't want to see Leo or Denzel in a fucking Star Wars movie. She makes weird acting choices in this world and maybe it's because she is admittedly not a huge fan of it pre casting. Not only do we not care about her from the get go since they chose to hold Reva's motivations instead of being blunt about it, but she is not menancing or scary to the audience. That comes down to character visually. All the other inquisitors have cool masks, voices, etc which helps make them feel like a threat. I think if they designed Reva to be an alien wearing a cool as mask and had some voice modulation when the mask was on it would have elevated the character so much more AND would have helped make the reveal cooler to see the face behind the mask as a younglin. But they clearly wanted us to see who the actor was and I think it backfires on them story wise. When she is yelling and tyring to be scary im fucking laughing because its so cringe (ie. the interrogation scene with Leia)

I don't think the bad CGI has anything to do with budget constraints. If it does then that's Disney's fault for not throwing all of the money on such an important show/movie. But I honestly doubt it, because why would Andor have a bigger budget for a mostly all practical set tv show over Obi Wan? I honestly think its just bad execustion and directing. Look how epic and cinematic the shots in the trailer for Andor look, then look at Obi Wan.

I was a big fan of Chow because she's asian and from Toronto but honestly I don't think she's ready for a Star Wars movie like I intially was championing for. I think we are seeing why. She and her cinematographer have only realy done tv and again, we are starting to see why. Some of these issues were even showing up in her episodes of Mando. I know she likes doing action shots but her aciton shots ALWAYS come off as tv looking and not cinematic enough. Star Wars always needs to look cinematic.

I am still enjoying the show, please don't get it twisted but I am a designer so my attention to detail is pretty runs crazy when I watch things.

>despite these gripes I still enjoy the show because well its
>fucking Star Wars LOL

Exactly - I'd enjoy watching 3 hours of a single cam shot of Chewie and Han flying the Falcon with now dialogue besides Chewie grunts, because it's STAR WARS.

As far as Reva - I don't think it was a "Woke" choice at all, and I've actually enjoyed her acting in the role. She isn't supposed to actually be menacing - she's conflicted because she's faking it. She even called it out in her convo with Leia when she was something about no matter how brave she acts she's a scared little girl - clearly projecting her own feelings. So I feel like they wanted to show her face to let that conflict and fake rage show to the audience. All that being said, I know exactly what you mean - and they could have accomplished both if they gave her some kind of half mask that covered her mouth/nose but left her eyes visible - and that could have given her some type of voice modulation that would have helped while letting her act with her eyes to show the conflict.

Completely agree on the budget and Chow issues. She killed it in the Mandalorian, but in that series John Favreau is heavily involved and he essentially invented the volume. But when you look at the effects in other shows like Mando, or Loki, or WandaVision, or what little we've seen of Andor, there's no excuse for bad CGI in terms of Disney+ show budget. ESPECIALLY for a character like Kenobi and a show this hyped.

Again, I just wish this was a movie. They had a great story to tell, but a more concise story would have been stronger. For example the Reva reveal - we all called that she was a youngling after the first episode and had weeks of knowing that before the actual reveal. That would have hit completely different in the third act of a 2 hour movie. They could have also trimmed a bit of the fat with Leia getting caught and rescued multiple times in this show.

bigger budget for the effects and trim off some of the fat needed to stretch this to 6 eps and it could have been EPIC.

Im still having fun though.

It's a pretty cool story:
Obi-wan is in hiding and looking over Luke.

He's defeated and suffering a lot of guilt.

A Jedi hunter, REVA, takes a particular interest in Obi Wan because Vader will give her power if she delivers Obi Wan.

Leia is kidnapped and Bail Organa contacts Obi Wan to save her.

Obi Wan reluctantly agrees, but is unsure of his abilities.

Obi Wan meets a fake Jedi scammer on a planet who provides some useful info.

Obi Wan, with the help of others saves Lia and retreats to a planet that has a Jedi underground pipeline.

Tala, a member of the underground arranges to transport him to safety.
Vader goes to the planet and terrorizes and murders locals in an attempt to draw Obi wan out.

Obi Wan is drawn out and face Vader in combat.

Tala escorts Leia to a transport but has to leave because she know Obi wan will be killed by Vader.

The Jedi hunter Reva kidnaps Leia again.

Vader easily beats Obi Wan but before he's able to kill him Tala saves him and takes him to another planet.

On the new planet Obi wan tries to convince people to help him rescue Leia.

Tala agrees, while the others say they cannot help.

Tala infiltrates Vader's castle, where Leia is being kept, and arranges to get Obi wan onto the base.

The Jedi hunter know Leia has details about the underground and starts to torture her.

Tala calls the Jedi Hunter away on a pretext.

Obi wan grabs Leia and start to make escape.

Obi Wan and Leia are trapped but they escape thanks to the force.

Reva and the base all scramble to find Leia and Obi Wan.

Tala gets away and helps Obi wan and Leia to the hanger to escape.

Reva confronts them and looks like they are going to kill them until two members of the underground arrive to help Obi wan, tala and Leia escape.

One of the underground is killed.

Tala, Leia, and Obi arrive on a planet where the underground needs to evacuate.

Reva has secretly placed a tracker on Leia’s droid and Vader rushes to the planet.

The underground members cannot escape because their route is sealed off by Leia’s hijacked droid.

Reva arrives and Obi Wan discovers hat she was a padawan who saw her friends slaughtered by Anakin and that she secretly wants Vader dead.
Reva storms the fortress and kills Tala, and Vader arrives to go after Obi wan.

The underground folks find a way out and while their ship is taking off Vader forces it to the ground and destroys parts of it with the force.

But the underground is on a different ship that was waiting and takes off while Vader is distracted by his rage.

Reva discovers Luke on Tatooine……

from a story standpoint it was genius to use those flashbacks of Kenobi training Anakin, weaving them in with both Kenobi and Vader thinking back to inform their approach in this episode.

And then we see both in the past and now, Kenobi winning WITHOUT the lightsaber. In the past using the force to win while unarmed, and then in the present literally handing over his saber and defeating Vader by using Reva against him. All with the point being that Anakin/Vader still hasn't learned his lesson, and adding context to what he said in A New Hope "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master."

All that said, the execution is just so frustrating. I feel like they needed to bring in Favreau to help a bit with the volume and how to properly handle those effects...

It's literally added nothing to the overall Star Wars story. We got to see a couple cool new Darth Vadar scenes but outside of that this show has been doo doo pampers. Add the fact that some of the episodes are only 40 minutes long, which is lame considering its a limited series.

I feel like both these shows would be better if they were 13-episode animated seasons. Extended it long enough to get a better cohesive story out of both.

Not mad that they stole that mask scene from Rebels lol

A little uneven but the finale made it all worth it.

I definitely enjoyed it. I still had issues related to the show in general in terms of budget, and some of the pacing and action scene direction in earlier episodes, but this finale was so fun to watch.

I guess my personal biggest issue with the series is that these characters are too big for the small screen. It felt weird seeing Obi-wan and Vader have an epic battle with each other, which should be one of the biggest moments in ALL of Star Wars, but I'm watching it at home on TV.

To add to that, most of this series, my first viewing of episodes was on my iPad with headphones, trying to cram in watching on Wednesday at 6 in the morning before work. I really don't like the Disney+ release schedule and timing with episodes dropping at 3am ET on a Wednesday morning. Why can't streaming companies do releases during prime time? Like 10pm ET/7pm PT? It would make the shows MUCH more of an event with more people watching at the same time. I cram in watching shows in the morning so I don't get spoiled. But seems like an easy change of doing prime time releases would boost their engagement numbers and be a better overall experience.

Back to this episode, Hayden and Ewan were outstanding. Yes I liked how they redid that Ahsoka scene from Rebels, and took it a step further in this show. I loved the Owen and Beru scenes as well (Beru was gangsta in this episode!) Reva had an outstanding arc throughout the series as well - we've seen dark sider redemption before but this was different in that she was never actually committed to the dark side. And props to Moses Ingram - she had to act as a character who was "acting" in universe as a dark sider, which is why in the early episodes she was trying too hard to prove that she was down, while really being focused on her own quest. (I do wish that she died at the end of this episode though, I don't like Obi-wan being cool with a former Inquisitor being around knowing about Luke and Leia.)

Again, this episode checked all the boxes. All of the lines in A New Hope fit perfectly, and we have new insight on some. Vader was clearly still the learner here. Even the line from ROTJ about "Obi-wan once thought as you" works here - with Kenobi literally apologizing and calling Vader "Anakin" a couple times, before giving up and saying "Goodbye, Darth".

Then the Palpatine Zoom call manager check-in meeting also helps make sense of the story from this point on - in terms of why Vader doesn't continue pushing to find and defeat Kenobi. Palpatine told him that Kenobi was a distraction and he needed to focus. (I wonder if the Grand Inquisitor snitched on him about letting the ship full of force-sensitives go to get Kenobi?) Also, they better not do a season 2 and have Vader see Kenobi again. As of now it's PERFECT, with Vader only seeing Kenobi when he came to the Death Star.

I loved the Qui-gon scene at the end. Loved Leia in this episode. Only issues are again with the small screen and the budget. Like that Vader/Kenobi battle should have been in a more epic location than on a dusty moon that clearly looks like a set within the volume. I don't mind scenes like that on Mandalorian or Boba Fett, but Vader vs. Kenobi is WAY too important for that type of setting.

...everything I could have asked for in the final episode

The "arc" of "Obi-wan gets his groove back" is kind of lame.

Why didn't Obi-Wan KILL Vader??

I know it's because this is a puzzle piece of an already established story - but really, BILLIONS of people died because of Vader after this - isn't that at least partly Obi-Wans fault??

Obi-Wan certainly killed people in this series, just not the actual bad one.

The acting by almost everyone involved was really bad too - it was at a children's TV show level acting - like the prequels.

The effects in this one were really bad - tell me the Executor looked good?

The burying of Obi-Wan was lame - was Vader simply not able to tell if Obi-Wan was alive while standing feet from him? But he can sense him when he is miles away on the death star??

I hope someone makes a fan edit where they condense this down to 2 hours because you could lose A LOT of the awkward pauses and boring scenes and really tighten it up. The story was pretty cool - but the execution and ultimate lameness of Obi-Wan's arc was lame.

IMHO. And of course, I did watch it all.

many of us are used to being able to enjoy a great story that is executed poorly. The prequels are definitely the biggest example of that. But from a story perspective I really enjoyed this show (including Kenobi's arc.) I have big issues with some of the execution - the pacing, the effects, etc. but I still enjoyed the show and thought that the finale was great.

Sounds like settling :)

As someone who never enjoyed the prequels I see this as a prequel. And anything with "Anakin" is pretty bad - including ROTJ.

Mandolorian > Boba Fett > Obi Wan.

But for $7.99 a month I'm happy with Disney+.

And I really hope there's a fan edit that tightens this up because I like a lot of the story.

I mean I even watched Star Wars Resistance and enjoyed some of it when that show was CLEARLY for young kids and wasn’t even that good considering the audience. But it’s still Star Wars!

I’d watch a Food Network show about Dexter Jettster’s updated menu at his diner.
I’d watch a Padme Amidala queen’s makeup tutorial show.
I’d watch a Jocasta Nu lecture series about how complete the Jedi archives are.
I’d watch a Behind the Music episode about the Max Rebo band and their rivalry with the Modal Nodes from the cantina.

It’s Star Wars.

I did enjoy the first episode. It felt campy and kind of gave me a vibe of the originals. I saw those for the first time in the late 80s/early 90s so they always felt awkward to me but my brother loved them. Just like in the original movies this show had moments that were cool but you kind of have to deal with some plain bad parts.

After the first two episodes I felt it would be about the same quality as the original movies but by the end I'd say that show was worse.

At first Leia was annoying in a cute way that I felt showed how adult Leia turned out but after 2 episodes it became clear it was just annoying and bad acting lol

I don't think I hated watching the show but I also wouldn't recommend it and don't know that it will stick with me.

Basically it was cool to see Obi-Wan vs Anakin/Vader again but everything else was mostly forgettable/bad. Exception is maybe Reva but I think I liked the idea of that story a lot more than the execution.

the gravitas

I like the Third Sister aka Reva but that should've been it's own show.

The main conflict doesn't work because Anakin/Darth Vader isn't in as much as he should be to make it effective.


The story is good but it's executed poorly. And I like Obi-Wan's arc. Ewan clearly has more to chew on here than he did in the prequels.

This also needed a better director. It will never not be incredible to me that with all the resources in the world to spend - in the history of the world, really - that certain franchises would decide to scrimp on action choreography. Look at the quality and innovation in the world. It's a weird choice to suck.

Not a single Star Wars story that's focused on classic characters (Han, Boba, Obi-Wan, etc) has ever found a truly compelling reason to exist and it's time for lucasfilm to finally accept these probably aren't going to work

I do like this tons better than The Book of Boba Fett though. A show that was egregious fan service.

Reva's story was needed in this show because without it, there is zero tension in terms of what will happen because we know exactly what happens with all the main characters. We know that Leia will be safe, Kenobi will end up back on Tantooine watching over Owen, Beru, and Luke, Vader isn't getting killed, etc., but we really didn't know what would happen with Reva. We all predicted it but the show didn't even confirm her backstory or true motivation until the last episode. So her story did bring a bit of tension into this.

That being said, it speaks to the greater issue of "should this even be a show"...there really isn't a compelling reason for this to exist other than it's cool to see Ewan and Hayden back playing these characters. In universe, there's nothing ground breaking here. We know how this story goes. It's not like Rogue One for example (my FAVORITE Disney/Star Wars thing, and maybe just maybe my favorite Star Wars movie of any kind). In Rogue One it was also a "prequel", but there was a complete cast of new characters who all have decent arcs in one film, and we didn't know how it would end for any of them. Even with having them all die before the end, each character got their own meaningful death scene instead of all of them just dying from the Death Star attack. So THAT was an "in between" bridge type of story that worked and completely justified itself. Kenobi was a good story, but eh...

Involved and even then she should’ve died after finding out about them. But it seems she wad only created because someone who was a dark side user needed to know and then have redemption. The other inquisitors would have told Vader, and having Luke/Leia involved doesn’t work if Inquistors/Vader/Palp know prior to A New Hope. I am assuming this was a Kennedy choice because yes it was cool to see the twins but I wouldve been fine without Leia (although I loved seeing her) and only seeing Luke from afar as Obi Wan watches over. Having him leave as hes being hunted wouldve been cool to see him go off into the galaxy and everything else we see happen.

Reva was a poor choice and poorly executed IMO, like someone said leave that for another show. This was an Obi Wan show and it really shouldve been only his story that was told.

Reva really deserves her own show.

Focusing on Vader hunting Obi-Wan would've made for a great movie as again, this shouldn't have been a TV show.

literally

coming back must have sucked. all the troops lined up waiting for him to get off the ship while he's looking in the visor or mirror like *sigh*.. fuck.

In the comics he’s literally killed anyone who sees his actual face, even if by accident.

i don't know why, but every time she was on screen i felt like they did some weird photoshop to Carrie Fisher's face and put it on a little person's body.

While I believe Leia and Obi-Wan don’t interact in that movie, it’s not like either of them give you an impression that they know each other personally or did in the past. Also Obi-Wan meets Luke here and the moment feels significant, and yet, it doesn’t seem to leave an impression on Luke at all a few years later.

I’d rather they keep making series like The Mandalorian that are centered around new characters and incorporate the old characters when appropriate. Whenever they try to deepen the stories of the old characters it is either is a let-down (Boba Fett) or it essentially retcons stuff without admitting to retconning (e.g. Leia remembering Padme despite her death in childbirth during the prequel).

I don't remember if they interact in the death star, but she requests his help. Can't remember if she sees obi-wan die or not.

I feel like that's one of the things they really did well. In some cases it actually makes A New Hope better in terms of giving additional context.

With Leia - that last scene on Alderaan Kenobi tells Bail "If you ever need me, you know where to find me". Then Leia asks "Will I ever see you again" and he says "maybe, someday, but we must be careful - no one must know or it could endanger us both." That definitely makes sense in this story why he'd say that - he doesn't want the Empire aware of their connection anything beyond her being the adopted daughter of Bail Organa and his connection to Bail. Anything more than that could tip the hand about her being Anakin's daughter, or the location of Obi-Wan and Luke as Anakin's son. That explains Leia's message in A New Hope - she mentions that she needs help, but only references his connection to Bail and "General Kenobi's" serving in the Clone Wars.

As far as Luke, in this show yes their meeting was only significant on Obi-Wan's sidfe, not Luke's, beyond him being friendly like "hey, someone new!", and in A New Hope this might be what he was referencing when asking his aunt and Uncle about "Old Ben Kenobi" after getting the droids.

Where I feel like the show really helps A New Hope though is the lightsaber battle between Vader and Kenobi. It makes sense that Kenobi would be slow and deliberate in that battle given his age, but you'd think Vader would just wipe the floor with him. But now we can see why he was calculated - he'd gotten beat by Kenobi a couple times, in different ways - and once when it seemed like he'd already lost a step. Also remember in A New Hope Vader tells Tarkin "his plan isn't to escape"...but Vader didn't know what his plan was - so he was EXTRA cautious in feeling out Kenobi like "alright old man, what do you have up your sleeve." Meanwhile Kenobi's plan was just to delay Vader long enough for Luke and Leia to connect and escape. And as soon as he sees the twins together near the Falcon, he gives up the battle and becomes one with the Force. (That's what was up his sleeve - Vader had no idea at that point about Jedi becoming Force ghosts).

>I’d rather they keep making series like The Mandalorian that
>are centered around new characters and incorporate the old
>characters when appropriate.

I absolutely agree with this. New characters and stories from now on, please!

It was just flat out horrid. It probably would have been better as a movie,
because in my opinion Star Wars doesn’t work as a TV series if it isn’t
animated.

The lightsaber battles were lazy and underwhelming, just like they were
in the sequels. I understand the battles in the prequels will never be matched,
because the prequels gave us the best lightsaber battles throughout the franchise,
but there should have been more intensity and technique on display.

Anakin vs.Obi Wan in Revenge of the Sith was a scene of technical excellence.
Where as in the series, the two battling each other looked rigid and dull.

In my book, it’s not canon