Yo so I got see some dailies yesterday and, I don't know whether the movie is gonna be or not but, man everyone is on their A game for this. I gotta say Patty's framing of the shots are some shit you see in art films and the scope of this movie is a lot bigger than what I expected. Gal is doing Diana justice (no pun intended).

Between this and how ill Suicide Squad is, it just re-confirms that Zack Snyder is not the dude to be running the DC train cause no offense to him but the main attraction is the weakest link in the chain so far.

Glad to hear.

I mean, I am the last person to know anything about Wonder Woman outside of the surface stuff most people are exposed to, but I want that to end...Cuz I am one of those casuals who didnt know jack bout Iron Man and now we know how Marvel made sure we KNEW and we do by now.

Wonder Woman deserves that even more doesn't she? Feels overdue.

Side thought: It is close to impossible but imagine if Warners utterly failed to the point where they went to Marvel and said let's go ahead and do the cinematic version of the intercompany crossovers DC and Marvel did back in the day, and somehow just fold the DC film universe into Marvel's...you (or anyone else here) speculate that to turn out well for the DC characters?

Or if you are Marvel, do you keep them separate and establish them as a separate pocket like Guardians of the Galaxy, or the Netflix's, and only comingle them for really big stuff...

Or do you not let them be in the same universe period?

What if, I am saying, DC went to Feige and Marvel and said, here, do with them as you wish (and you get to pocket a substantial amount of the profits), but you have to use them if you want them...

If you comingle them, it could be weird, no? But if you put them in a totally different space, you are maybe competing with yourself.

Anyway, please excuse me diverting from the subject of the OP.

But to kinda bring it back, here is what I guess might happen in the hypothetical: Marvel changes some character backgrounds/details around on the DC's to accomodate them. Kinda like how cinematic Ultron turned into being a creation of Tony instead of the original Hank Pym.

So with Wonder Woman, she maybe gets a bit of background with say, Asgard or something, I don't know--again I don't know her but I know yall could do something perfectly to meld into Marvel if it was supremely necessary.

But I hope its all moot...hope Wonder Woman turns out stellar and DC/WB can win too! And thank you for the update!

They can't even be friendly enough for comic book crossovers at the moment.

it'll make the same amount of money they making now, they'll just get less of it

Age of Ultron was utter garbage.

>Age of Ultron was utter garbage.


thank you

I love their movies too but come on...let's just get some good filmmakers at the helm and do this shit right. It doesn't have to reside in a single house for it to work.

https://youtu.be/5lGoQhFb4NM

They seriously need a new theme song for her badly.

I'll probably see this.

and wonder woman's theme is beastly

WW was the best part of BvS, the cast is top notch, and this trailer looks fantastic.

I might become a Gal Gadot fan yet if this delivers.

Kevin Tsujihara and Greg Silverman are dumbasses who get in their own way.

Especially Kevin Tsujihara. But that's what you when you take someone who ran theme parks to run your studio.

After today's Flash news & their handling of Suicide Squad, how will WB fuck this up?

... I met a friend of a friend who works pretty high up in DC, who pretty openly acknowledged the problems of the stuff that had already come out... and he said Wonder Woman was by far their best work to date.

Now maybe that was just the salesman in him... but he seemed pretty confident. I'm holding out hope, especially because (a) it seems stand-alone, and (b) it doesn't seem like it has four different villains and shit. Also, (c) Patty Jenkins.

I just don't trust WB/Zack Snyder/Kevin Tsujihara

I can't call it

WB's big take from S-Squad and BvS was that TONE was the problem and it seems like Wonder Woman was going to be a lighter film out the box. Assuming they don't try to interfere in other ways ("lets reshoot all the action scenes with Aquaman since that's the next movie!") I think it beating its DCU predecessors is given.



>... I met a friend of a friend who works pretty high up in
>DC, who pretty openly acknowledged the problems of the stuff
>that had already come out... and he said Wonder Woman was by
>far their best work to date.
>
>Now maybe that was just the salesman in him... but he seemed
>pretty confident. I'm holding out hope, especially because (a)
>it seems stand-alone, and (b) it doesn't seem like it has four
>different villains and shit. Also, (c) Patty Jenkins.

... since those tone lessons could also be enforced through studio interference, for which they've shown a predilection. But yes, in general I agree that one would hope that adult creatives can learn their lesson.

But we've seen from Fox that sometimes they never, ever do. I would very, very much rather this not become a Fox situation.

WONDER WOMAN - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVfin74Qx3tUT-xIY0_xefei1p3auVaCh&v=1Q8fG0TtVAY

does not excite me at all just like the previous teaser. LOL, then they play that song at the end too.

anyway, i'm interested to hear what you all have to say about it since i remember most of you liked the previous footage and her limited role in BvS. for me, it doesn't look all that great and just gives me the BvS vibes again.

Gadot is has the look down but I'm not entirely sure she can carry a movie. Reviews will probably tell me whether or not to see this one.

>Gadot is has the look down but I'm not entirely sure she can
>carry a movie. Reviews will probably tell me whether or not to
>see this one.

yeah, gadot does look pretty good, in general and as WW, but i agree i'm not sure about being able to carry the full thing.

>does not excite me at all just like the previous teaser. LOL,
>then they play that song at the end too.
>

Every time I hear it, I picture a 15 year old white boy in his garage with a guitar and a loud ass amp screaming "Yeah bro!" over and over again.

Shit sounds like a Evanescence song.

I'm (per usual) not watching this til after I see the movie, but I have zero doubts that the marketing team can cut a good trailer. I'm cautiously optimistic about this movie for a number of reasons, but a good trailer wouldn't be one of them.

Feels very similar to the first Cap movie but with an added fish out of water angle.

Very good trailer and seems like it should be a fun action film. I could see the plot getting lost and the villain not being that strong (although I do like Danny Huston) as the reason for the earlier "mess" comments but I think that it'll at worst be a Suicide Squad-level film that many people enjoy and many critics pick apart.

Feels people take umbrage because its so tonally different then the other Marvel tentpole movies, but taken as its own work its a solid movie...there's worse movies they could 'bite' (as if the turn of the war hasn't been mined for stories before)

>Feels very similar to the first Cap movie but with an added
>fish out of water angle.
>
>Very good trailer and seems like it should be a fun action
>film. I could see the plot getting lost and the villain not
>being that strong (although I do like Danny Huston) as the
>reason for the earlier "mess" comments but I think that it'll
>at worst be a Suicide Squad-level film that many people enjoy
>and many critics pick apart.

I meant it as in this film is going to have an even steeper uphill battle since it's so similar to one of the better Marvel films.

>I meant it as in this film is going to have an even steeper
>uphill battle since it's so similar to one of the better
>Marvel films.

You're right, its gonna be an upsell to fanboys who expect a very specific formula, on top of its going to be easy for em to say they are biting Marvel. But I got hopes, and I was someone who hated the casting

Like, that was.... something? I guess?

hopefully the whole movie is

More about setting out the premise. But, thankfully, not giving away too much. Some of the dialog sounds corny, but people love Flash somehow so that shouldn't matter.

I'm ready.

I liked Man of Steel, though. And liked BvS only slightly less. So I don't have as much trepidation about DC's movies as y'all.

but minus some questionable cgi it looks like a perfectly fine cbm. it might even turn out great.

the villains look intriguing.

still my 2nd most anticipated cmb of 2017 behind logan.

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Diana doesn't smile much and I don't see a lot of bright primary colors so I don't think this is gonna work for a lot of folks.

Pine is there but doesn't quite fill the quippy one liner-per-two minutes quota though. I counted one dry joke in 2:30 so it doesn't look like the cinematic Valium/Xanax grab bag we were all hoping for.

I mean, that's a low bar to set, but DC needs something to shoot for

DC is like the Titanic. Just a slow sinking ship. IF this turns out to be true, what's bad is the internet misogynists will come out the wood work blaming Jenkins and the fact no one wants to see female led movies which is quite the opposite (shout out to Hidden Figures for killing the box office).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dc-insider-slams-wonder-woman-041109702.html

DC Insider Slams ‘Wonder Woman’

After the mess that was “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,” DC fans are hoping that the studio would pick up and wow them with the next offering, “Wonder Woman.” However, the movie is already getting negative reviews way before its release date.

According to Movie Web, Sasha Perl-Raver, host of the Schmoes Know show, reportedly talked to someone with insider info about the movie. This is what she said: “So, I don't want to throw anyone under the bus. We have somebody within our community who has gotten insider information that broke my heart this week, because I have tremendous belief that ‘Wonder Woman’ is gonna be awesome and I heard it stinks from the same person who told me that they heard that 'BvS' stinks.”

The person she spoke to told her, “I'm very disappointed in what I saw, and it seems like all the problems are the same problems. It's discombobulated, it doesn't have narrative flow. It's just very disjointed.”

Despite this negative review, film producer Deborah Snyder assured fans that the superhero’s solo movie, which stars Gal Gadot as the titular character, will be quite different from the recent DC Comics cinematic efforts. “‘Wonder Woman’ is very different in tone and style than ‘Batman v Superman’ and ‘Suicide Squad,'” she told Variety. “We pick directors who have their own points of view, so that each of our films will have their own personality.”

The film’s leading man Chris Pine even said that the film, which is directed by Patty Jenkins, will have a little bit of everything - action, drama and romance - so it will definitely cater to a wide range of audiences.

“I think what’s really fun and exciting about it... different about it, actually, is that there’s a nice love story at the center of an action film, and I don’t think you see that often in these kinds of films,” he told The Huffington Post.

“Wonder Woman” will be released on June 2, 2017. Gal Gadot will portray Diana Prince in the upcoming “Wonder Woman” movie by DC

OK, Chris. There's a love story in almost every one.

I'm not sure what to believe out of these "insiders" but it does seem like DC should get some stronger NDA agreements and maybe start suing some people for talking out of turn. It sucks to have to do that but it seems like they have a lot of unhappy campers who are blabbing. (Or it's just the same two guys talking to everyone, which could be the case.)

IF (and until we see it...IF) they keep making the same mistakes then they deserve to have niggas come out and say so.

she heard from an anonymous friend that a movie coming out in 6 months is a mess.

then she regrets it

https://twitter.com/sashaperlraver/status/821184959608025088

sounds pretty damn legit to me!

and folks still wonder why trump won and media's credibility is at an all time low.

TV host on podcast says she has a scoop. Then gets upset when other people pick up her scoop and report it. What an idiot.

It would be nice if outlets didn't pick up these rumors but you have to know that the odds are fairly good if you're someone with even minor visibility, talking shit about a comic book movie is likely to get picked up. (And that your Twitter mentions are going to be filled with Marvel vs. DC chatter for the next week or so.)

It's the ol' media lesson of Never say anything into a live mic that you're not willing to back up.

but yeah, THIS is why trump is president you fanboy fuck

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https://twitter.com/WonderWomanFilm/status/840313963699101696

WONDER WOMAN - Official Origin Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLzqh7rZ-U

Visually, it looks great though.

chris pine will easily steal the show tho

personally still not excited in the least. and that fucking song still sucks.

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Now first reactions are often positive but many of the critics here hated Batman v Superman so it's not all a pro-DC group.

I, for one, am very excited for this one now. I'd heard that the movie was good but this gives me even more confidence. (That being said, the person who liked this movie LOVED Spider-man: Homecoming.)

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-reactions-for-wonder-woman-are-spectacular-1795356828?rev=1495159475886&utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Count me in.

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Empowered women in tights hits my feminist and misogynist sides.

It seemed like they pulled back on the marketing so I thought this one was going to stink too.

>It seemed like they pulled back on the marketing so I thought
>this one was going to stink too.

they actually spent more promoting this than suicide squad.

think what you wish about their previous entries, but when it comes to rumors surrounding DC movies remember that most of the time they're just hyperbolic garbage.

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but please, keep schooling me with your "facts" fugazi meister

the Suicide Squad rumors weren't true and you ended up looking foolish. Like I said 90% of these reports end up being true.

But go ahead. As a matter of fact let me remind you: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=680633&mesg_id=680633&listing_type=search

please fugazi meister, tell me how accurate are these fresh rumors

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/05/17/billy-crudup-reportedly-bolt-flash-updated/

http://theplaylist.net/rumor-ben-affleck-wants-leave-batman-role-20170213/

http://collider.com/justice-league-reshoots-explained-charles-roven/

http://www.inquisitr.com/4216107/diane-lane-clarifies-negative-justice-league-comments/

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/wonder-womans-lack-of-armpit-hair-causing-huge-controversy-among-fans-a149707

http://movieweb.com/wonder-woman-movie-insider-review-disaster-mess/

They'll never see it. No matter how clear.

every single movie and you'd have to be a fucking masochist to read?

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First, it's still true that Ben is getting cold feet. Is he leaving anytime soon? No. Word is he's gonna see how Batman turns out before he jumps ship.

LOLOLOL at Bleeding Cool being right about anything. Rich Johnston is a clueless asshole.

The Justice League shit you posted is the first I'm seeing.

Same with the Wonder Woman thing which I ask why would anyone take that seriously I don't know how that helps prove the point you're trying to make.

And as far as that Wonder Woman thing I've heard the same thing. I also heard they did some quick pickups to fix the movie. They did that.

And Diane Lane clarified comments that she herself made. I don't see how this helps your point any.

But go ahead. I'll let you continue the DC circle jerk just as two other posters on here suck Marvel's cock on everything they put.

Full review soon, but this is the best film of the DCEU so far.

And yes it's better than Captain America: The First Avenger.

I have maintained that the trailers have been pretty damn cool thus far, and WW was hands down the best part of BvS, no questions asked.

Not to mention having a cohesive narrative and competent direction where you CAN SEE the action.

I can't wait to see this again

I have not seen this movie yet, but what you posted is KEY to me.

I lot of times in these DC movies I have no idea what's going on when the action starts because you can't really see what's going on.

This is good to hear.

It’s been a long time coming. For a new Patty Jenkins film. For a female led superhero film. For a female superhero film directed by a female director. Patty Jenkins is the first woman to direct a film with a budget over a hundred million dollars and she knocked it out of the park. Diana Prince is one of the most iconic characters of all time. Let’s forget comics, she is a symbol for many women (and men) of what they can strive to be. Strong, independent, and intelligent, I fell in love with Wonder Woman almost immediately. Is it without its shortcomings? No. But if this is what the DC Extended Universe is gonna be from here on out, sign me up.

Diana (Gal Gadot), Princess of Themyscira, is admired by all the Amazons on the island. Wanting to fight her whole life, her mother, Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) has her train under her sister and Diana’s aunt Antiope (Robin Wright) to be the best warrior among the Amazons. One day Steve Trevor (Chris Pine) crash lands on Themyscira, bringing World War 1 right to its doorstep. Taking this as a sign of Ares, the god of war, finally trying to destroy mankind, Diana enters the world of men as Diana Prince to bring an end to the war and destroy Ares once and for all.

This reminded me of Mad Max: Fury Road in many ways, in that this film doesn’t make too big of a deal that Diana can kick your ass and be graceful about it. The feminist themes are done so well and are so expertly woven into the narrative that most people (read men) won’t even notice. Having this take place during World War 1 was the smartest choice as Patty expertly weaves in gender dynamics and politics as well as minority struggles. I felt like Steve in this film in that not only did I respect Diana as a warrior, but I too did fall in love with her strength, character and beauty.

This is going to be an inspiration to many little girls for ages to come. Throughout the film, I was reminded of how I felt as a little boy watching Richard Donner’s 1978 film Superman. I was filled with such awe and, no pun intended, wonder, that I had a grin on my face for much of the run time. This film is so filled with optimism and hope that it’s infectious without being cloying. As we get to see WW1-era London through Diana’s eyes it works as we move throughout Europe and Diana slowly comes to realize that the world of men isn’t as black and white as she thinks.

Patty Jenkins and her DP shift color palettes multiple times and it works for both storytelling and visual purposes. I love how bright and beautiful Themyscria is. In fact, I wanted to spend more time in Themyscria. I’m serious, a whole film of Connie Nielsen and Robin Wright in Themyscria would kill. To make Themyscria pop in contrast to London and Europe is crazy. As a matter of fact, when we do get to London and Europe the grey skied hue matches the tone and still fits. Patty uses slow motion to good and bad effect. The stuff you see in the trailers where Diana is fighting in the dilapidated office buildings against German soldiers is even more badass in context of the film. As are the heroics of Diana stepping onto the battlefield and going against a barrage of bullets and mortar shells. However, the fight on the beaches of Themyscria did not warrant slo-mo even if those fights were well choreographed.

The way the Lasso of Truth is used in the film is top notch. In the action scenes, it pops as its golden glow stands out as it whips and twirls villains around the screen with finesse. In a scene in which the Amazons use the Lasso to interrogate Steve, it’s one of pure amazement. There are quiet scenes that are just as exciting as the sequences of action. The Lasso is such an important part of this film and is used in ways that it doesn’t call attention to itself. As a matter of fact, the way it’s presented as it’s not really that big of a deal is smart.

Anyone who thought Gal Gadot couldn’t carry a movie was dead wrong. Gal brings grace and strength to Diana without making her lose her innocence. She has a presence that radiates beauty and elegance that has been missing from these big budget films for a minute. I mean this in the most positive way possible, she reminded me of Christopher Reeves. Chris Pine plays Steve Trevor as an honorable man even when he’s lying to Diana. Chris also commands the screen, and while he and Gal have an unique dynamic together, he never steals the show from Gal. Connie Nielsen and Robin Wright almost steal the film with their respective roles early in the film. In fact, I’d like to see Robin Wright in more action films from here on out. In addition to Diana being a fish out of water, Lucy Davis as Etta Candy, Steve’s secretary adds to the comic relief. As does Steve’s friends who all have baggage of some sort. They are Saïd Taghmaoui as Sameer, Ewen Bremner as Charlie and Eugene Brave Rock portrays Chief.

Danny Huston and Elena Anaya suffer from what most comic book films suffer from which are underdeveloped villains. As matter of fact, this is the film’s biggest weakness. There’s a third act reveal that is very undeserved, as I would have not only liked more build up, but would have liked the arrival of Ares to happen much, much sooner. In fact, when he does arrive the stakes are not there, as they’ve waited so late in the game for him to reveal himself. And even though the fight takes place on a battlefield of mostly enemies and is much more scaled down from the previous films in this universe, they need to stop leaving a literal crater in the ground after their final fights.

The score by Rupert Gregson-Williams is elegant and inspired. I’ll admit that I found the theme Hans Zimmer and Junkie XL gave Wonder Woman in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice to be obnoxious. It sounded like a low rent Evanescence instrumental by a fifteen-year-old kid jamming out in his garage screaming “Yeah bro!”. Here, Rupert takes that theme and remixes it, making it fit with the score he created. In fact, when the theme kicks in during the action scenes, it only made the film that much more badass.

Being such a standalone film away from the DCEU worked in this film’s favor so much. With the film being bookended by the tie-ins to the overall universe, this could’ve been a mess. But with narrative focus, as well as lightening up greatly, we have the strongest film in the DCEU. And this is coming from someone who hated their output last year: if this is the future of DC from here on out, sign me up. If WB was smart, they’d greenlight the sequel ASAP. This was so good that I’m now looking forward to James Wan’s Aquaman.

as some kind of marvel/disney conspiracy.


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Didn't you know that?

So that they can let another company push their feminazi SJW propaganda, which they love even more than money.

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Many people recognize that there is an active unconscious bias, though. But people who are unconsciously biased would hardly ever recognize that in themselves. The other folks must just be making it up.

That said... Wonder Woman is dope. Good.

Literally, no one wants to sit through a bad movie. This includes DC AND Marvel (yes, Marvel has put out bad movies).

as soon as they stopped doing that, people stopped writing shitty reviews of their shitty movies.

the counter argument has always been that they're not THAT shitty which...c'mon

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Some of the craziest antisocial behavior on the internet. And that's saying something.

Y'all love hokey crap like The Flash too.

SMH

the story was tight, fight scenes were dope, and it had just the right amount of levity. most of all it felt more like a wwi spy adventure film than a superhero origin story, and with comic book movie fatigue at an all time high, that worked heaps in its favour.

V.

Here's a movie that:

a) cares deeply about its characters
b) builds a story with actual narratives that are followable/unbroken
c) creates action with character stakes so that when people are punching the fuck out of each other, you care who's punching who and why
d) competently shoots most of the action so that it doesn't all look like a huge CGI blur

I think the stuff on the island in the first leg of the film is a bit dodgy (that's also where the CGI is at its worst)-- it's not unlike some of that Asgard stuff in the first Thor, but with clunkier dialogue. Still, it serves its function, as it gives us the building blocks to actually care about Diana and her world. Once they get to the war in particular, the action straight up bangs, and the emotional story arcs for both Diana and Trevor deliver nicely.

Chris Pine is the *perfect* partner for Gadot here. Everyone's raved about Gadot, and I don't feel the need to build on what others have said, but Pine is a fantastic counterpart to her. Great chemistry, balances smart and baffled nicely. I think that Trevor role is tremendously tricky in a film like this, and Pine absolutely nailed it. The rest of the cast-- in particular Thewlis, Elena Anaya, and the woman who stole every moment as Trevor's secretary-- is also aces.

Jenkins did a terrific job helming this. Zack Snyder has the reputation as "The Action Guy," but Jenkins' action here-- as a director with no big-budget action experience whatsoever-- is leagues better. Proof positive that the "but we can't just *give* a big-budget movie about women to a woman director if she hasn't proven she can do action" argument is horseshit (they were using this against DuVernay for Black Panther too, which was even *more* laughable, as DuVernay showed tense combat with emotional stakes in Selma). Find smart storytellers who care about character. They'll figure out the action.

Still not sure how to feel about the DCEU going forward, but at least there's a beacon of hope here. Bodes well for Aquaman if they leave Wan alone, and if they actually keep someone decent on Flash, then maybe the groundwork for several films will have been well-lain despite the rocky start.

>c) creates action with character stakes so that when people
>are punching the fuck out of each other, you care who's
>punching who and why

Not just with Diana, but Steve and his crew were actually distinguishable as characters.

During a DC film! And I was laughing, too. The fish out of water stuff when they got to London was good, the right amount of light and actually built the story going forward (in addition to having some laughs.)

Not that it wasn't also Serious, but good for Patty Jenkins for recognizing shit can be fun.

Some minor nitpicks (too long, the Themyscira stuff felt under-explored and I wasn't wild about the final fight as an action sequence,) but overall this well exceeded expectations. This BETTER do numbers.

The aspects that stood out to me were the pacing and how well-drawn the relationships and characters were.

The movie was like 2:20 but it moved by swiftly. The story never felt bogged down and the plot managed to hit a number of notes without feeling rushed as well.

Everyone who appeared in the movie were believable and helped propel the story along while having unique personalities. Even characters like the Persian lover man and Native American guide were placed in the film in ways that added depth and liveliness to the movie.

Also, I think Longo touched on this, but the action sequences were blocked and framed really well. Even when the film used some CGI techniques, like the super-silky slow-Mo effect, it was done to add a polish and vibrancy to that sequence. Plus there seemed to be something at stake in these sequences since Wonder Woman hadn't become a god yet and she could realistically have been injured.

And the impact of a action movie about a woman (by a woman) and a good one at that is a positive statement which can move feminism forward to the degree a film can.

just like the rest of the dc movies.

We got enough DC butt boys here.

The other DC movies are fucking shite.

This as good as a lesser Marvel movie.

Stop crying.

.... i was looking foward to this (conversely i'm looking less forward to Homecoming the more time passes), because it simply looked great... Everyone hit their notes just right.... The movie makes you at least sorta care about ALL the characters.... Gadot was breathtaking... I loved how i never really thought of her as "sexy", and the movie never tries to make her such... It was more like a beautiful work of art... Lucy Davis was stealing scenes and it was awesome.... I also loved that every woman they really focused on was intelligent and sorta fearless...

... I felt like they took some vibes from the animated WW movie, which was really smart, as it's the best adaptation of her story on screen until this....

It's not better than Logan or GoTGv2 this year, but it is better than Captain America: The First Avenger and both Thors (the story was sort of a combo of the first Cap and Thor).

Gal Gadot was great! After being a doubter of hers in the role, she was easily the best part of BvS, and really nails down the character on the big screen. I hope this does well financially, can't believe it's took till 2017 to get a female superhero solo film.

Chris Pine was surprisingly good too, as were the little band of buddies they had with them.

The villains were weak, but these days, that's par for the course for comic book films (doesn't that suck?).

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I had 1 issues in the film that keeps popping up as I think about it... When Steve Trevor takes the plane of gas to blow it up in the sky... shouldn't he have done that elsewhere than releasing it in the atmosphere? Am I overthinking this?

I thought Trevor would blow up the gas on the ground too. But if he would have done that, the gas would be in a greater concentration in the air surrounding the towns than if the gas was spread at a higher altitude.

There's a risk that the gas would spread out over a larger area, possibly causing harm to more people since it was released in the atmosphere. I think that's the idea you're getting at. But there would also be a larger volume of air for the gas to dissipate throughout so that the level of poison in the air was no longer at toxic levels.

Either way, the last scene of Trevor was a nice touch. It seemed like he felt he actually 'did' something like his father mentioned.

Had no problem buying her as tough or athletic enough.

The back to back fight scene with Diana and Steve felt like I was watching an Avengers movie.

I liked it though, definitely the best DC movie yet.

But then again, Batman v Superman had a similar type of ending after Batman freed Supes' mom and then the plot dived directly into the final fight against Doomsday.

That dude was corny as hell as Ares. Some of the visuals in the fight were ok, but others were meh, and the dialogue and story stuff there just didn't work.

After an A+ first 2:15, the last 15 were maybe a B or B+. I liked that Diana's motivation to help humanity changed. Like you said, the dialogue she used to describe to Ares why she changed her mind sounded really clunky and cliched.

But I liked it and unlike the Marvel movies, I would actually see this again.

All of the Marvel movies lack replay value to me, even though as a whole they're better movies.

My one beef: it would've been even better if he'd conducted the whole fight in the pinstripe suit and bowler.

i agree that the dialogue didn't help either side...dude is a really good actor though....

Dude had maybe 3 minutes of screen time before the reveal, and the only time he was remotely ominous was when they called the secretary from the village. Also, he's a great actor, but I just don't buy that the God of War would go into battle looking like a meek old British dude. He's a god. Shape shift.

Mostly, I didn't want a fight with ares this movie. It was so good right up until they got to the air strip that it didn't need a big bad, or that General Gas Huffer could have sufficed. I like the idea of Ares as a phantom menace that she'd fight in WW3, so that we could build up the menace over time. Like, when they get back to London, ares is there to congratulate them, but is revealed to the audience (not the characters). He could curse Cheetah in WW2 and then we throw down at the end of the trilogy.

WW villain: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/dd/6c/d7dd6c0dc74632a06bcd51fb765851cc.jpg

the dark knight are fucking crazy.

the third act was a chore, 90% of the action was in the trailers and middle aged mustache rocking Ares was laughable af.

that scene of diana and steve dancing in the snow was the real winner to me. simply beautiful

>that scene of diana and steve dancing in the snow was the real
>winner to me. simply beautiful
yes! some great character moments throughout the first two acts

I saw one about how Wonder Woman promotes American imperialism and another titled something like "Run Wonder Woman! The Feminists Are After You!"

No links because lolz.

It was really being stretched at that point and the showdown with Ares was underwhelming to say the least. All in all though, great structure with excellent work put in by all the pieces (Chris Pine, what a performance here) and very well crafted technically.

A very good entry for DC and a great start for WW. Her musical theme remains one of my favorites.

Which, of course, is bland villains.

Ares was incredibly bland. He wasn't "bad" by any stretch, but very forgettable.

Bland, boring, vanilla, etc. He's a weakness that keeps this from being great.

Thing is, Gal kills it. She owns this in a way nobody has owned a DCEU film at this point aside from herself in BvS.

Gal and Pine have fantastic chemistry and Pine does a great job here with a much more subtly comedic performance than I expected. I figured he'd be the comic relief but he rode a very fine line throughout without any missteps I can think of.

This is basically a combination of the better elements of Cap 1 and Thor. The best part of Gal here is that Diana's love for humanity absolutely shines. It's a joy to watch.

I won't be surprised if there's a shift in future DCEU projects making Diana the binding element the way Tony Stark is in the MCU. This was a home run and will hopefully serve as the course correcting element of the DCEU, with the caveat that I still think MOS is stellar.

I still think the greatest flaw of MOS is that it simply didn't give people what they wanted or expected. Frankly I think it's a top-tier superhero flick but that's me. I think WW is a great companion, or even counterpoint, to MOS.

Superman’s story was that of an alien who was rejected, of a child who was told by his father to hold back primarily because of that rejection who grew into a relatively lonely man who had to grapple with his place in this world. I remember people complaining about how Superman wasn’t terribly heroic during that first outing but I think that made all the sense in the world. I prefer the notion that this man wasn’t perfect, that he didn’t fit your ideals of what you, you, him and her thought he should have been and had to actually make some mistakes.

Diana is a great counterpoint to that because she always had that singular sense of purpose. She was able to hit the ground running with confidence because she’d been prepared to defend humanity from an actual god. She was unique to her kind, but she wasn’t alone. She may not have known the extent of who and what she truly was, but she knew her purpose and place in the world.

It will be interesting to see how Batman winds up but I think MOS and WW make for fine bookends thus far. SS and BvS muddied the water on this but this is an excellent step in the right direction.

Gal Gadot is everything here.
Felt weirdly rushed and the screenplay had some glaring issues.

Definitely the best of the latest crop of DC films and I'm very glad it's done as well as it has and I'm probaby in for more WW films solely on the strength of Gadot.

Still not interested in Justice League especially after seeing the trailer on the big screen.

they could've EASILY cut 30-45 minutes out of this thing.

it's just bloated with scene after scene of cheesy, cliched dialogue (how many different ways can actors earnestly say "I believe in "???

there's really only 2 action scenes worth watching. the last boss fight is straight off of Zach Snyder's cutting room floor. dark, horribly edited (no sense of geography), terrible CGI. and the fact that Ares is a lame mustachioed British dude is too stupid for words.

Gadot is good...but man...DC needs some writers.

If you remove the slow-motion from Batman V Superman then the film is a tight 82 minutes.

It was better than BvsS t least

- Steve Trevor is British but with no accent?

- some of the CGI when she stormed no man's land was off

- british dude as ares was a nice reveal. but as another poster said, should have been more build up to their final battle which was kind of clunky, he could have provided sprinkles of what he knew about diana over the course of a few films.

- the dynamic between her and bruce wayne can be a good one in future films

yep, Cap 1 was a much better movie, better villain, better story, better origin. Not sure how some think this is but its okay. I guess some of the action scenes might look better as first Cap didn't do much superhuman stuff. I'd rank it about same as Thor 1 which I also like but do not love.

>- Steve Trevor is British but with no accent?

He was American if IIRC. They went to London because that's where he was based out of, but I think the movie mentioned he was from the States.

ive been meaning to post about this for a while but man this wasnt that great. But if you put it up against the other steaming piles of shit in the DC Universe this looks like the fucking Godfather. There was some really bad CGI when they were on the island. Pine and Gadot were decent. But overall the movie was okay.

Average movie boosted by standing next to the other shits that DC put out.

had to write my thoughts out after finally seeing this last night on HBO.

2.5/5

I DO have to admit that when I checked the time-stamp and realized there was still an hour left in the film and a normal-length film'd have already elapsed by then, I wasn't particularly let down. Sure, every damn scene is formulaic to a tee to that point. Trevor battles against bureaucracy (a mantle he takes up once Diana is done with her same battles during the mercifully brief opening sequence) while Diana rambles like a madwoman about Aries and takes in the world with the childlike wonder of a Disney princess; at times, she even views the battlefield the way Belle might a set of teacups. But I have to admit that I don't understand the criticism of Gadot here, and her fierce commitment to glory paired with Trevor's fierce commitment to the greater virtues of humanity makes for a charming if convoluted romantic comedy wrapped around shotguns and the male gaze.

The thing that holds all that back from working completely is that Gadot's Wonder Woman clearly knows what the "modern" (circa 1944) world is; she speaks every language, she can track ammunition that travels faster than anything she's ever seen with nothing more than her eyesight, she smirks and shrugs every time Trevor drops an innuendo and she seems to completely understand how meditative and apprehensive first times are between male and female leads in big budget action films. Her ignorance of the world is played up merely for comedic effect, and forgotten whenever it's convenient to either the plot of the film or the conventions of the genre. It makes for a confusing environment that makes the whole thing feel quite without stakes, an odd feeling to have in a superhero film centered around the final days of World War II in which a rogue German general possibly possessed by the God of War aims to drop a hydrogen bomb on the front lines just as the world prepares for peace.

In other words, welcome to the delicate world of DC Comics as a filmic enterprise. For every step forward, there's AT LEAST one step back.

Enough people have interrogated the movie on its feminist merits - or lack thereof - at this point that it's just piling on to go any further. There is another side to the movie, the one that inevitably comes to the fore during what some would probably argue is the real Wonder Woman movie. For that first hour and a half, Wonder Woman is mostly a sideshow to her own film, a folly for Chris Pine to bounce his charm off of and the modern world to bounce their incredulity off of as all the men around her scoff at the mere thought she might study languages. The image of Diana near literally dancing with the Devil with a sword sheathed inside her form-fitting dress is comical enough, but this is a comic book movie after all. With that one superlatively silly moment, Diana is done listening, done waiting and ready to kick some ass the way she really doesn't get to other than a single scene in the middle of the film.

Or at least one would like to think so; instead, we get a deconstruction of hero myths, humanity and the inevitability of war that's a bridge too far. This is a single comic book film in a massive comic book franchise - please, skip the proselytizing over the meaning of conflict. Without conflict, the whole thing is pointless, so let's just get on with it.

Finally, in the final twenty minutes, the audience gets what it thinks it wants. Wonder Woman kicking ass. This of course means that we have to endure a lot of awful (and it's awful in such a weird, almost cool way that the clever among us can trick ourselves into enjoying it) DCEU-brand CGI and slow-mo that never looks quite as cool as it wants to and, inevitably, way too much of that god awful Wonder Woman theme song and its variants (my definition of too much: more than zero). And even in these moments, its a lot more of Wonder Woman getting beat up than the other way around.

It's also in these moments that Gadot often acquits herself least, whether its her lithe figure (I'm not sure women, or even men, should be held to the standards the superhero genre has set, but she just looks so NORMAL in her power armor) or the amount of range that's asked of her acting. I admit I was personally surprised she carried the comedy so stoutly and yet waffled on the drama, but maybe I've just heard too many comedians on podcasts over the years explain how much more difficult comedy is than drama.

Wonder Woman is a more fleet movie than its runtime suggests, and it's completely fair to be happy to have a major female superhero even considering all the ways this movie's script actively antagonizes that proposal, but it's also just as vapid as all the other modern DC movies have been at a macro level. Its admirable that Jenkins found ways to have fun in the oppressively dark atmosphere of DC's current cinematic universe, but the final scene makes it clear to the audience she managed that in spite of whatever weight was on top of her. If anyone comes out of this movie looking like a true Wonder Woman, it's her.



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holy shit, finally a DC movie that doesn't look like complete shit the entire fucking time.

this might be the first DC movie with any scenes that occur during the daytime.

measured against the marvel flicks it's on the low end of average but I'm not mad at it at all.

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In the big ball/party scene where Wonder Woman wears a dress but hides a big ass sword...on her back. Not even really hiding it, the hilt was sticking out and shit. She was strolling through the place with a very obvious sword somehow tucked into the back of her dress and no one notices?

Also the ending made me laugh out loud, where she just leaps out into the air at who knows what. I know it was supposed to look badass but it came off kind of like the movie version of the cover to a Rob Liefeld comic, where the superheroes are in these awkward poses or springing into the air with weapons out for seemingly no reason.

Otherwise the movie was pretty enjoyable.