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707541, Devils Adcovate +
Posted by JtothaI, Tue Jan-26-16 06:40 PM
Before I play devils advocate on a couple of these (and ignore many because they either aren't plot holes, I kinda agree or they are plain stupid), I had one more issue (not a plot hole!)...

Chewie showing up in the Falcon to scoop up Rey after her fight with Kylo. How the hell did he know where she was? You can kind of explain away that Kylo was able to "Sense" Rey and that's how he found her but that's another discussion....

On we go...

>1. To blow up the 120-km "Death Star" in Star Wars, the rebels
>needed detailed plans for the base and a full-scale invasion
>force -- as well as the supernatural targeting skills of the
>most powerful Force-user in the galaxy. To destroy the
>exponentially larger and better-protected "Starkiller Base" in
>The Force Awakens, all that was needed was a janitor with no
>special skills, a few run-of-the-mill handheld explosives, a
>couple not very difficult X-wing blaster strikes, and some
>moxie. It also helped that the Millennium Falcon was able to
>"fly low."

There is strong evidence in the comics that Poe could be "force sensitive."


>2. The wily Han Solo loses track of his most prized
>possession, the Millennium Falcon, for more than a dozen
>years. He has no idea where it is -- in the entire Galaxy.
>When you lose something in your house, that's bad; when you
>lose something on your planet, you kiss it goodbye but pray
>for a miracle; when you lose something in the entire Galaxy,
>you just get on with your life. And yet, less than a minute
>after Rey begins piloting the Millennium Falcon, Han looks out
>the window of his freighter and says, "Oh, there it is.

I've seen it 3 times, but I still don't recall that exact dialogue, but there was some mention by Han that he was tracking the Falcon.


>4. Rey becomes nearly as effective a Force-user in a few hours
>as Luke Skywalker did in a few years.

We do not know her training.



>7. Rey, who has never left her home planet since she was a
>child, can speak Wookie. Nobody can speak Wookie -- it's a
>running joke in the Star Wars universe. But Rey being able to
>speak Wookie surprises neither her, Han Solo, nor Chewbacca
>himself.

I don't recall her ever speaking wookie. I think Chewie only understood her. Also, there was a shit ton of various species on Jakku where shes had to fend for herself for years as far as we know so she could have learned to speak to many of them.



>9. In other words, what is
>the status of the war between the Republic and the First Order
>at the beginning of The Force Awakens, such that this precise
>moment is when General Hux decides to simply press a button
>and destroy the Republic?

I thought that Starkiller Base had just became operational. I think it would have happened regardless if anyof the events with Rey on Jakku and Finn had happened.


>10. >And why did
>the First Order choose to destroy all the planets and moons
>visible from Maz Kanata's home-world, but then initiate a
>conventional invasion of the latter planet? Why not just fire
>one more planet-killing beam and destroy Kanata's planet too?

Because they wanted the location of Skywalker. Can't do that if the planet is destroyed.


>14. Apparently, there's a premium on janitors
>in this quadrant of the Galaxy.

This was actually hilarious. I lol'd

>17. Why does General Hux need to gather all of his troops just
>to tell them he's about to press a button and destroy the
>entire Republic? Can't he do that without a cattle-call of his
>entire army? Because it really ends badly for him, putting his
>entire army on the very planet he's about to make Resistance
>Target #1. No chance anybody saw that coming?

Because that's what dictators do. Because he believed there would be no more resistance after this move. Because there wouldn't even be anyone alive to tell the story of what happened to the missing planets and moons.


>20. When the Resistance finally figures out where Luke is,
>after looking for him for many years, why do they send only
>Chewbacca and a random girl who Leia just met to collect him?

There's obviously more to this that isn't meant to be spoon fed to you. This is a trilogy. If this was a legitimate argument why didn't lucas just tell us in E4 that Vader was Lukes dad?!


>21. Kylo Ren has such a Force-enabled sense of where his
>father is in the Galaxy that when his father lands on
>Starkiller Base, Ren immediately exclaims to himself, "Solo!"
>Yet a few minutes later, when Ren is just twenty feet from
>Solo, he can't detect him -- and actually starts searching for
>him in the wrong direction.

Maybe he was luring him out there. Maybe he got wind of what happened in a similar situation with Luke and Vader?


>26. Maz Kanata is a friend to the Resistance. So why is she
>hiding Luke's light saber from them? Wouldn't she give them
>anything she could to help them find Luke, and doesn't it in
>fact turn out (as anyone could have supposed) that Luke's
>light saber is indeed helpful in tracking the last Jedi down?

Did she even know prior to Hans arrival that anyone was even looking for him?


>27. How did Kylo Ren manage to get Darth Vader's mask into his
>little fetish den? This is only the most significant piece of
>memorabilia in the entire Galaxy.

Again, not the time to tell that story. The nod did its job to entice everyone to beg for more info.That's what good movies do. Except that this isn't some one off movie that they are hoping gets a sequel made to answer your question. There is going to be at least 2 more, you'll get your answer.

>28. How does Finn find Rey's settlement, given that the film
>makes clear that all Finn can see, after his Tie Fighter
>crashes, is endless dunes in every direction?

The same way that Luke, Han and Chewie find Leia in 10 minutes on a space station the size of a moon that would take you years to traverse in a straight line regardless of corridors and evading troops.

>29. Who trained Rey to fight with a staff as effectively as
>she does, given that (a) she is an orphan with no friends or
>family, and (b) she has never been in a battle, but is,
>rather, merely a scrap-metal scavenger?

She's a fighter, she lives on a shitty planet where everyone is out to have whats yours. That and there are two more movies on the way, so there's that.


>33. Why does Kylo Ren assign just a single Stormtrooper to
>guard Rey, the most valuable prisoner in the history of the
>First Order?

Because it wasn't some random trooper, it was fucking James Bond!

>34. How do the Rathtars on Han's freighter get loose? If he's
>just keeping them loose in the hanger, why don't they kill him
>when he's walking through the freighter toward the Millennium
>Falcon, or at any other time? And if he's got them chained up,
>how do they escape?

You didn't see Rey fuck up and open the wrong door? I think you should watch the movie again.


>35. Why do the Rathtars immediately kill every human they
>encounter -- except Finn, who is randomly dragged off just
>long enough to be rescued?

Because they were full, they had just ate the better part of two gangs.

>36. Why are all Stormtroopers human (or humanoid)? If by the
>time of the First Order any clones being raised to be
>Stormtroopers are no longer clones of Jango Fett, why aren't
>there now Stormtroopers of every species as well as every
>(human) race? Why aren't there flying Stormtroopers from the
>same species as, say, Watto (from The Phantom Menace)?

Can you imagine a stormtrooper helmet on Hammerhead, Ree-Yees, a Gammorean or Greedo? The Empire has loot, but they aren't making custom helmets for a face with a hammer on it, three eyes, a pig head or a long snout.