>This movie was like the Star Wars version of the first Hobbit
>movie. Everybody who "liked" it says, "Just wait until the
>next one comes out, they'll fix all the shit that was wrong
>with it!" Except that's not how things ever end up.


Totally summarizes what I said above, as well as O_E. You could watch The Hobbit side by side with Lord of the Rings and say, 'yea, those look like the same world.' But the actual details of the world, and the care with which the worlds are presented, is so off in The Hobbit and this movie that it feels like a generic movie borrowing the lore of a beloved franchise to build itself up.


What was stranger about The Hobbit (before news of its production pipeline reached the general public) was that it had most of the same crew. I figured Abrams wouldn't be able to just transform into George Lucas - especially since he's trying so hard to climb inside Stephen Spielberg's skin - but I figured his reverence for the conventions of his idols would lead to a fairly familiar feeling movie.


The Force Awakens looked like Star Wars, but the camera didn't seem interested in looking at all that stuff the same as it had before. It was jarring. Alongside the heavily action-oriented script (ignoring that the action was fairly bland) and convenient lack of explanation for several things just because the movie needed to move and end, this was a huge annoyance of mine. The movie felt like a guest in the universe, not part of the core family.


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