this is going off of just one viewing, but didn't that conversation make it seem like it WAS ben? han questioning how he could reach ben when luke couldn't?

that's what i got from it when watching. i'll probably see it one more time before it leaves the theater so i'll make sure to pay attention to this point.

>The movie told us that that Luke quit after a student
>betrayed the Jedi
>The movie told us that Ben/Kylo trained with Luke.
>
>They didn't make the connection 100%. Odds are that's the
>case, but they gave themselves enough wiggleroom where it
>could still be a third character (maybe Ben went dark after
>the other jedi went nuts etc).
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>>>I feel like Rey is Luke's child. But being a twin to Ben
>>would
>>>make sense too. Because I think Ben is the failed jedi that
>>>Luke was training...
>>>
>>>Wish there was more dialogue/explanation BUT seeing as how
>>>this is a reintroduction, I'm sure the next movie will be
>>>amazing and fulfill most of the gripes in this thread
>>>
>>
>>What do you mean think? Didn't they flat out say that Ben
>was
>>the bad apple? Did you not are the entire conversation
>between
>>Leia and Han?
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