>If, for example, I said I don't buy Fin remotely holding his
>own against Kylo, ostensibly a reasonably well trained Sith,
>to say nothing of Rey even with her raw abilities, well that's
>a subjective opinion that does have some weight based on the
>facts at hand.

Which is why Fin held his own against him, and is why when he was defeated and rescued before the plant blew up Snoke said he needs to complete his training.

He's powerful in the force, which is why he stopped that laser mid air, but for now he's not fully as trained as a young Luke and Vadar. I suspect he'll gain more power and more ability with his light saber in the future films.

I also call bullshit on some of the nip picking though, seeing as this is the first part to a new trilogy.