Last time we saw the Scarlet Speedster, he jumped into a black hole. We're getting Jay Garrick and Wally West at some point this season, and probably another Arrow/Legends of Tomorrow crossover or two. Beyond that, this show could go absolutely anywhere. A Grodd/Ultra Humanite/Mallah team-up episode? Probably not, but wouldn't that be dope?

Also how long before Ronnie comes back? No way is he staying dead.

i think that'll be the determinant.

$8 mil production budgest, $43 mil worldwide take

...and the whole world would have been destroyed.

She literally saved the world by not moving away from Central City and she's acting like it was a bad call.

Niggas we getting the comic outta this show!!!

We got the damn Multiverse (with 52 portals, womp womp) on The Flash in like 24 episodes.

Love it

yep, it may have its cheesy stuff but so do comics once in a while. I want bright colors, goofy villains and lots of action. Effects hit and miss sometimes, but I don't care. This show is great. It started out a little freak of the week ala Smallville season one but picked up nicely and has far surpassed that show at this point.

and with the multiverse in play, awesome way to bring back my man Tom Cavanagh (haven't watched ep3 yet).

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... for showing Barry how to lead by bringing him up in as a part of an interracial family. Joe's asiatic leadership skills and calm demeanor provided Barry with the upbringinging he needed to lead later on in life.

Can we talk about Patty x Barry or nah? Patty is slightly nerdier than Barry and it is awesome.

The last episode had Michael Ironside and they gave a nod to one of my favorite movies of all time. Scanners.

Captain Cold'd dad exploding people's heads like

http://www.fangirlmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/0001scanners61503.jpg

KING SHARK! i can't believe they actually did that.

>KING SHARK! i can't believe they actually did that.

yeah, that was cool and the special fx didn't look too bad either.

i almost spit out my tea in both awe and hilarity.

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https://media.giphy.com/media/4WHkXdDx8wjS0/giphy.gif

SHIELD's biggest issue (well, one of the many) is that it couldn't be its own show and had to react and set-up the Marvel Cinematic Universe. (Personally, I think they should have just waited to premiere it AFTER Cap 2 and get to the good stuff of Coulson trying to save a fractured SHIELD.)

Now DC is forcing both Arrow and Flash to serve as set-ups for Legends of Tomorrow is wearing thin for me. Especially Arrow where they've done my pet peeve of introducing a villain and then having him inexplicably hang out and do nothing for a few weeks. Damien Dahrk is just chilling the last couple of weeks. Harrison Wells was apparently just roaming the halls for the first half of Flash.

Spending time bringing back Sarah and Ray and re-establishing Firestorm all so they can go off to another show is holding back the main shows IMO.

especially the arrow setup. those are the best episodes of the show these days.

you cant have the same villain go in every week. gotta build it up and flesh out the story.

So they just tell anybody who the Flash is? They let that first candidate see their whole operation and when he says no they just let him walk out without a word. What the hell? And nobody says shit to girl for exposing all of them?

i mean look at star labs. they let any nigga run up in there. so may as well just tell people who the flash is.

>i mean look at star labs. they let any nigga run up in there.
>so may as well just tell people who the flash is.

haha, yeah that true and i liked how they made fun of themselves in the first episode this season when they were talking about the new security system or whatever.

Now it really doesn't seem to matter who finds out.

She looks good too.

my god i havent seen an asswhooping like that in a minute.

Should've ran into the stadium and spiked him like a football.

i just knew he was going to unmask him. only thing he didn't do was take him to that coffee shop he always goes to.

Beat Flash like he stole the serum to aging. He beat his ass, broke his spine, AND took his speed.

Is PTP giving out year end awards? Can we get an ass whupping of the year award after this episode?

Because he's healing super fast - except for the I Can't Feel My Legs part.

So could he keep his healing abilities but no his speed?

And would it have worked on Zoom since Zoom in the comics isn't a speedster?

I thought we might have had a series of 4-6 episodes with Barry in the wheelchair.

i have never read the comic so i don't have any hints from that, but just going from the show i think i know who it is. maybe its already obvious to you guys in here, but i'm guessing its eddie.

Good thought. Zoom definitely has his father's build.

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Also because of build...

Now earth 1 or earth 2 father?
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i think it's Earth-2 Barry. i don't think they'd go the Thawne route again. Zoom in the comic books is someone they haven't shown on the show yet. it seems like Zoom on the show is someone we already know (or know the counterpart of).

Could it really be that simple though? I'm not sure they'd go that route, seems too obvious.

I thought the same thing.

Great episode. The setup for Legends of Tomorrow is going well but mainly enjoying this season's Earth 2 storyline quite a bit. Wally West introduced, not sure if just using the name or if he's gonna get speed eventually too.. anxious to see how this season keeps going.

Also, Joe stay killing his scenes

i feel like he's cried in almost every episode this season.
this Wells being treacherous thing probably won't pan out as expected. i don't see him making the same decisions that the former Eobard'd Wells would make.
Zoom is still scary as shit.
Wally showin up is fortuitous, spesh if he acquires the speed force relatively quickly. then i imagine him, Barry and Jay being all active speedsters simultaneously, 3 Flashes to take on the 1 Zoom. could be a plan (with Jay obviously on Earth 2 Wells' serum).

as for the line of the night:

"your toys...: give them to me", -Harry.

lol a Terminator shoutout? chyeah, why not. the entire episode was filled with some pretty funny overdoing of the xmas cliches. Hamill hammed it up gleefully but is kinda wasted in a team-up situation. u get Hamill, u give him the entire ep. other than that, lotsa fun.

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He kills it with soap opera level writing at times.

Doing a great job with Earth 2.

Who was in the mask? Was it Wally from Earth-?

out of all the CW hero shows he is by far the best villian to me. powerful, smart, and looks terrifying.

He looks over and sees someone in a mask also locked up, then Zoom shows up.

Although the comment from producers was: "There aren't any other prisoners, but the man in the mask is there for a reason. This is really the first time that meet. They're in Zoom's lair and you'll see in the next episode how this relationship starts and forms and where it leads them to."

damn, i didn't mean to reply to you, but main thread, haha. i just wanted to make a general statement about how badass zoom is, but it played into your post perfectly.

>He looks over and sees someone in a mask also locked up, then
>Zoom shows up.
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>Although the comment from producers was: "There aren't any
>other prisoners, but the man in the mask is there for a
>reason. This is really the first time that
>meet. They're in Zoom's lair and you'll see in the next
>episode how this relationship starts and forms and where it
>leads them to."

But had to make sure.

And yeah, they've done a great job with Zoom. Arrow did well with Slade Wilson in season 2. I can't wait to see if Flash can stick the landing and then avoid the Arrow pitfalls. I think they should be better situation since it's not like Barry will suddenly become a softie like Oliver. And I don't see a bad love connection happening ala Felicity. It also helps that the actors in Flash are much better IMO.

i can't see them taking him down without at least *some* casualties or permanent injury.

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Sisqo is going to be badass eventually. Love their doppelgangers.

I was spoiled the Supergirl easteregg beforehand, damn yahoo and their spoiling ass headlines. Oh well, guess it also had a glimpse of John Wesley Shipp's Flash that I missed so will need to re-watch.

This is still my #1 network superhero show. I don't mind Supergirl as much now, still far from this but its getting better. Arrow kind of lost me a little and Legends is pretty fun.

http://zap2it.com/2016/01/the-flash-kevin-smith-andrew-kreisberg-season-2.


‘The Flash’ EP explains why Kevin Smith is a good fit
by Chris E. Hayner at 11:01 AM on Jan 11, 2016


While the news of Kevin Smith directing an episode of “The Flash” may have taken fans by surprise, the decision actually makes a lot of sense.

Smith, a self-confessed superfan of Barry Allen’s (Grant Gustin) adventures on The CW, is a great fit for the series, according to executive producer Andrew Kreisberg.


Speaking to Zap2it and a handful of other outlets, Kreisberg says, “I love the movie ‘Dogma’ deliriously. I was such a fan of ‘Reaper’ too, which he did the pilot for. I know he can do TV as well.”

Of course, the reaction to the news doesn’t hurt either. “Obviously there’s a good deal of publicity that comes with that and as responsible executive producers we always have to look at that,” he explains. “But we would never look at that at the expense of our own show.”

“Knowing what a fan he is and knowing the scrutiny that episode is going to be under, I know he’s going to bring it to his fullest and I’m just so excited,” Kreisberg continues. “That I’m going to get to tone with him is just so crazy.”

As for how Smith getting the job came about, it was actually a pretty easy process. “I literally got a phone call from his agent saying Kevin Smith’s favorite show is ‘The Flash’ and was there an episode for him,” Kreisberg says. “The answer was yes. It was really that simple. I know what a fan he is. I didn’t know him personally, I’m just such a huge fan of his work.”

Expect Smith’s episode in May — Kreisberg believes it’s the 21st of the season. Sadly, it likely won’t mark a reunion with his “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back” co-star Mark Hamill – who plays Trickster on “The Flash.” Kreisberg confirms that particular villain likely won’t make a return in the episode.
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Knew it was coming, but...ugh.... If "Jay" is in the cell???

kinda feel like the Jay thing was to throw ppl off.
i'm still so confused as to who the fuck Zoom is.
and now masked dude as well.
good-ass episode.

V.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3787123.

V.

... I'm tired of Zoom already though......Dude is already the fastest guy around (until Wally realizes he's faster, look how easily he went through that cell when he believed in himself, literally)....but Zoom's motivations are nonexistent, and I'm not sure I care at this point

and then JAY being tapped out made me think he might have been Zoom somehow but that last moment kind of killed that (no pun intended.)

I kind of have a feeling that the reveal might be a letdown. Maybe someone from a third Earth of someone minor.

And the man in the iron mask is the *real* Jay.

Also, when a vortex to another dimension is closing - don't walk up to it and turn your back on it.

>Also, when a vortex to another dimension is closing - don't
>walk up to it and turn your back on it.

WAY too obvious it was gonna happen soon as he turned his back and smiled.

V.

from when Jay was taking the V6 and got addicted to more speed. Somehow they got split and Zoom is like the manifestation of his speed addiction

Lol

And woah at Cisco's potential powers
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Why am I under the impression there are like 4 speedsters ( forgot dudes name

I assumed dude in the mask is him as well
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....Enjoyed every bit of King Shark....Wally and Barry trying to bond was interesting....

lemme see...Barry, Zoom, Jesse (in the comics), Wally (in the comics), Jay

but yeah, I read a spoiler before that pointed to him, or his doppelganger Hunter Solomon who is Zoom in the comics I guess.. So is Zoom the Earth 1 Jay and he killed Earth 2 Jay now? That is what I thought but read an article today that made it sound like it was Jay all along and he duped them into being their friend like Harry did Season 1. That doesn't make sense tho when he got killed right?...

Like earth 18 or whatever. He went to to e-2 to steal Jay Garrick's (the original Flash) speed force and the Helmet dude is another Jay Garrick from earth 823,838,674,993 or whatever, but hasn't gotten the speed force yet.

I saw on reddit someone saying that there are two sets of twins. Earth 1 Hunter Solomon is just a regular ass dude.
Earth 1 Jay Garrick - is Daft punk reject in chains
Earth 2 Hunter Solomon is Zoom
Earth 2 Jay Garrick - got got by Zoom

I dunno though it could be the Wells plot all over again, which if that is the case then I'll be annoyed with the regurgitation of plots.

>Like earth 18 or whatever. He went to to e-2 to steal Jay
>Garrick's (the original Flash) speed force and the Helmet dude
>is another Jay Garrick from earth 823,838,674,993 or whatever,
>but hasn't gotten the speed force yet.
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>I saw on reddit someone saying that there are two sets of
>twins. Earth 1 Hunter Solomon is just a regular ass dude.
>Earth 1 Jay Garrick - is Daft punk reject in chains
>Earth 2 Hunter Solomon is Zoom
>Earth 2 Jay Garrick - got got by Zoom
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>I dunno though it could be the Wells plot all over again,
>which if that is the case then I'll be annoyed with the
>regurgitation of plots.

Twins as well but figured I might be doing soap opera type thinking
But hey
Eff it lol

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both go on forever
they recast roles/characters as needed
nobody ages - at least not in any sensible fashion
people come back from the dead all the time
evil twins (or clones) show up out of nowhere

Apparently!
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curious to see the explanation

V.

am i trippin' or didn't he come back into the show earlier this season? has his story moved anywhere? granted i'm behind by a few episodes, but i'm not seeing you guys mention him.

short version...he showed up, Barry beat him and sent him back to his own timeline...all this happened in one episode

i need to catch up on the episodes i guess, haha.

probs when the Zoom storyline wraps up.

V.

Last night was pretty sweet, Barry messing with time travel again and the reveal of new assistant Hartley was great.

Looks like next week we get back into the Zoom storyline and will get some more answers.

Last episode was a little weak (enough with the speedsters!) but this has been a good season and I like where they have everyone positioned (as opposed to Arrow who put half the cast in positions in which I'd hope they'd leave the show.)

Also kudos for doing a good job with the Eddie/Iris beats. Thought those might get too cheesy but they were handled really well.

The only issue is that I don't really care about the Zoom story. I know that it sucks to be in Earth 2 but I almost feel like they needed to leave off with Zoom threatening more people or someone somehow sending a message that he's on the warpath now to make Barry's need to go back stronger. Who is Zoom? was a stronger hook than I have to help Earth 2! Still, that's a minor complaint.

....I really hope his main "foe" next season isn't ANOTHER speedster targeting him....(I know in the books he has moe than a few speeding enemies)

...I swear I'd rather have a season where he has to keep fighting against someone like Grodd, who would just keep throwing enemies at him, and the gorilla just keeps outsmarting him....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=949NWVZ3hRQ.

wow.
i mean after the most recent ep, during Barry and pop's conversation at the cabin, and him casually dropping the fact that "Garrick" was his mother's maiden name? along with the fact that the man in the mask's physique, from the little u can see of it, looks very much like John Wesley Shipp? it's most definitely his dad. but not quite.
if they somehow use the multiverse to make it not just Earth-2 Barry's dad, but the original Flash from the 1990 series?!
that level of nerdgasm would be amazeballs.

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i'm not familiar with the flash comics and i have no idea how much inspiration this show draws from them, but i sure hope that's not the last of barry (and pass on to wally) because that dude is really perfect for the role. i'm sure it's not, but i can't wait to see where this is going.

I'd hate to lose Grant Gustin because he's great for the role but it would be nice to have a show, especially a superhero show, that surprised with a death and stuck with it.

>I'd hate to lose Grant Gustin because he's great for the role
>but it would be nice to have a show, especially a superhero
>show, that surprised with a death and stuck with it.

definitely would be a surprising and bold move, but for me i just think the second season would be a bit too soon. i really like GG in the role. plus, from what i've seen of wally so far i don't think he can carry the show.

I like the idea but WAY too early in this series to do it. Wally in an Earth 2 spin-off might be cool; give him more to work with since he's mostly just been the new "Key person we're keeping secret from" since Patty left.

It will be interesting to see what they do here but definitely seems like they jumped ahead too far. A little nervous since Arrow kind of did the same thing and botched their third and fourth seasons (this season has been a chore.)

don't see why they'd have to do a pass-the-baton kinda thing so soon. plus Barry woulda gone out like a chump if that's the last of him (which it won't be).

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Ok so Barry has been to at least 2 earths already besides his own. Wouldn't it be cool if he sent Jesse back to Earth 2 to be the Flash there, and sent Supergirl Wally West to be Flash there? That last one was pure fanboy exuberance but Jesse as Flash on Earth 2 could make sense.

I want this season to wrap up, badly.

I really hope they have a different villian lined up for next season that isn't a speedster.

The betrayal by a mentor even! Like come on!

I also hate superhero storylines where the hero loses their powers. Every single time, I can't stand it.

Flash has a lame gallery of bad guys that aren't speedsters. Most of them are terrible and have terrible names, they surprisingly did a good job with Captain Cold.

Same with Weather Wizard.

I don't think that's particularly true with Speedsters.

he's better than when deathstroke was first on arrow as a villain

He grabs Barry's dad and takes him to the old house and kills him?

Why didn't Barry fucking run and attack Zoom? He just sat there and watched.

What good are these fucking powers if you ain't going to use them?

ur The Flash and u just fucking stand there and beg? u WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN?? lol. holy shit. super-speed-punch the mofo. snatch Henry before he gets karate chopped to death.

im really not understanding how they've been handling J Wesley-Shipp tbh. only keepin him around in lil bits and bobs. then tease us with his permanent return only to make him fodder for Barry's eventual loss of all fucks in order to spur him into beating Zoom.

im still all in for the finale (apparently the man in the iron mask reveal is sposed to be a good one), but not impressed with how lazy everyone got having dinner n shit. and how Barry did jack.shit to save his father.

or couldn't have Barry mentioned he traveled back in time and actually witnessed his mother's death too? wasn't that Zoom's whole reason for killing Henry?

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>Why didn't Barry fucking run and attack Zoom? He just sat
>there and watched.

Even with Laurel, he just stood around like a cunt. What the fuck are they doing?

Yeah, he could have tried to run and get him in time but wouldn't have. Zoom had his dad by the throat and is just as fast so didn't bother me and they wanted to make it as close to his mom's death as possible.

Still my fav superhero tv show.

I really think Zoom could have been a half season story and the second half would be cleaning up all of the evil metas he allowed to come to this Earth. The way Barry was cleaning those guys up was kind of hilarious, especially when moments later, he can't seem to take down one person.

Still like the show but they need to make sure that they don't head too far down the wrong path and end up like Arrow, which I think is now a chore to watch.

Lousy finale with a surprising amount of clunky dialogue. This season and Arrow are making a strong case for the need to break up 23 episode seasons into two big bads. CW is now the home of villains who inexplicably tread water for half the season. Also, it wouldn't put as much pressure on the final plan of the bad guy which, in this case, turned out to be a silly turn after the season moved to a more serious vibe.

Zoom was just looking out a window for 4 episodes.

They should split the season.

I am hyped about flashpoint paradox though.

my initial reaction was really disappointed. Completely undoes everything we thought Barry learned in S1.

Being back in time could be interesting and is likely a way to keep Tom Cavanaugh in the series but, yeah, it completely undoes everything. Although I wouldn't be opposed to a Flash in the 90's for a bunch of episodes. Kind of a Back to the Future type vibe.

Mostly though, I want it to get back to being fun. It veered towards Arrow's emo mood which even Arrow can't pull off anymore.

that dude wears his emotions on his sleeve hard as fuck. it isnt hard to buy him watching his dad die, then seeing his fake dad right after and being like "nah man no more heartbreak. i can fix all this shit." it's perfectly in character for DC TV Flash to do that

flash started off amazing in its first season, but at the two-season mark, arrow >>>> flash for me

The flashback worked perfectly. They had a reason for the villain to not just destroy Oliver, since he wanted to slowly torment him. It all came together.

The Flash fell off more quickly but I have a feeling that they have a better plan for season 3 and they also don't have the stupid flashbacks which are painfully boring this season.

i know they wont take it but they should.

gonna miss Zoom. that dude stayed fucking up Barry's day.

Idk if Zoom should return as Black Flash, hopefully just a cool easter egg. Those battles were dope tho, the real Jay Garick reveal wasn't that surprising but still satisfying. Saving his mom and starting Flashpoint paradox will be cool to see how this unfolds in season 3.

i'm being harsher than usual. call it the Arrow-effect lol. the final beatdown of Zoom was dope, as was the beatdown of Reverse-Flash. my man Tom Cavanagh stayed putting in a good performance with what little he had to do. Caitlin's in danger of becoming the Laurel or Felicity of the show. most of the supporting cast did their thing.

at least Barry got ONE (lousy) kiss in with Iris before he did his whole "i have to go find myself" bullshit. it's Iris, dumbass. take that woman upstairs and fuck your grief away.

overall a good, but not great, season. didn't really measure up to the first seasons story and execution, but still good.

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>overall a good, but not great, season. didn't really measure
>up to the first seasons story and execution, but still good.
>
>V.

Yeah
Puts it on par w Supergirl

Not watching Arrow, nope
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