Am I the only one in for the second round? I love this show. The darkness of it. This season has my man Stephen Williams on deck which gets me excited. I like the story so far. That wack ass dude from Paid In Full is here and he seems just as slimy.

So what are your early impressions? They are outside of the source material at this point so I wonder where the story goes from this point on.

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Very interesting way to kick off the new season.

he put CGI babies to shame with his portrayal of desperation and will to survive. that lil guy has a future ahead of him.

I was kind of hoping we were mostly done with them. I really dug the first episode because it felt like a fresh new direction, but now they're bringing back the most annoying thing about last season.

HBO sure thinks so but I'm not sure. He seemed to enjoy it, at least a lil bit.

She gave him the chocha and tried to burn him. Goes home all mad. I was wondering what was he mad about chick bumping uglies with him or threatening to burn him alive? If it was me I'd think it was totally worth it as long as I'm alive.He can do a lot worse in that town.

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I'm really liking the varying focus and the new mysteries. There are still so many questions from last season too that have paved the way for new ones this season and more. I did not think this show could keep momentum going, but man have I been wrong.

also I love Carrie Coon.

I think moving beyond the original content/book was liberating for the show. I am really f'kn with it right now.

They live next door to each other and flirt hard.

He needs to hurry cause Jill ain't waiting around.

Doesn't look like he has many options in Miracle, especially with that haircut. She basically throwing it at Joe.

Really strong first episode I thought. I loved the focus on the Murphy family, and the weird iniquities amongst the family members. On the surface they're the All American family: firefighter, nurse, choir girl, church boy. Then you see the firefighter burn down a home. And his wife complicit with his behavior. The daughter streaks through the woods, while the son is loyal to an (obvious?) Jesus impersonator. Like... wtf is going on here?

I need to revisit the first season's thread, but I remember having the impression that not a lot of shit made sense in the first several episodes, but these were then explained in a fairly organic manner in the second half of the season. This dynamic really changed my impression of the season, and I ended up really liking the show overall. If they're able to explain a lot of the weirdness logically and elegantly again, then I've got high hopes for the season.

Really happy to see others are into this season.. It's been a really compelling ride so far and I dig how closely they've threaded the line between the supernatural and the spiritual. Some really powerful performances so far, and it's cool to see some former GR folks flex their chops more this season.

I'm digging that there is no one main character. Everybody has a story and last night's episode might have had the most confrontational situation thus far. I can't wait to see where this goes.

...unexpectedly, especially since Matt Jamison and his wife were the focus. Never thought either character was very interesting or compelling until now... showing us his daily routine was a beautiful way to start the episode too.

I'm kinda sad I'm caught up now because now it means I need to wait to see what happens next. There's been such elegance in the character development this season... like 13Rose said, the lack of focus on a singular character has paid dividends each episode.

I'm really curious to see where John Murphy's arc develops...

you have this man just waiting on his wife to wake up again and trying his hardest to remain sane.
(that's if his wife even woke up because while we see glimpses of her speaking to him with the car incidence, we dont' know if he's hallucinating or not.)

I really dislike the black father/fire fighter. I'm hoping that we find out why he is that way soon. But he's such a turn off which means he's killing that role.

>I really dislike the black father/fire fighter. I'm hoping
>that we find out why he is that way soon. But he's such a turn
>off which means he's killing that role.

He's killing it with that blank look on his face during his "interrogations" where he's waiting for the other person to say what he expects them to say but ready to pounce once they do say it. It's like this weird mix of respect and menace and anger that's really unsettling. But that's why his motivations are so interesting.


>you have this man just waiting on his wife to wake up again
>and trying his hardest to remain sane.
>(that's if his wife even woke up because while we see glimpses
>of her speaking to him with the car incidence, we dont' know
>if he's hallucinating or not.)
>

I think that was a hallucination, although I believe him when he says his wife woke up for that one night.

who was sponsoring him and get him to come and get him. Did I miss something? it was like no one could do anything for him and WHY don't they have a picture log of ppl who are allowed? I don't get how the father and son could have used those tags. They need tighter security so they can scan those bracelets and see who is suppose to be there and who isn't. ppl could be selling bracelets all the time this way.

i want to believe he wasn't hallucinating...but the way this story goes...who knows.

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>I really dislike the black father/fire fighter. I'm hoping
>that we find out why he is that way soon. But he's such a turn
>off which means he's killing that role.

Strong dislike
I'm holding off because yes he's just really good
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last season was cool but this season is incredible.... the storylines r dope and the acting is top notch

is that it minimizes confusion from the first season while building on its strengths. I've thought about why I like the show so much (especially this season) and for me I think it's because it portrays such an intriguing mix of both the depths and the heights of humanity.

One of the problems with the first season is that the first several episodes had such horrific events that watching the show felt "dirty". Like you had to cleanse your head after watching it. Anecdotally, one of my buddies who tried watching the show ended up stopping after 3 or 4 episodes in, and he's never been squeamish or emotionally invested in shows (ie, he'd have no issues with some of the more draining scenes). But he wasn't feeling it. What makes the second season "easier" in a sense is that the balance between the assholes and the samaritans is more appropriate, so you don't feel like walking off a bridge afterwards, hah.

On top of that, this season is more streamlined in terms of the unexplainable. Season 1 threw crazy dogs, mute cults, mysterious deer, Holy Wayne, etc. at us right from the jump, with very little answers unless you stuck it through to the whole season. There's less mystery this season, although that could be a product of not having to explain the world anymore (or maybe no longer being constrained by the books). It creates a more efficient narrative without losing the intrigue.

All in all though, I'm hard pressed to criticize much about this season, if anything at all. Oh yeah, I'm pretty much over the intro though. The lyrics beat you over the head and I am not a fan of folk music. Other than that though, good shit.

This post is making me want to revisit the first season's thread, hah.

I do love the visuals. I actually look forward to seeing the intro every ep just for the visuals.

which is odd because before this season I thought it was a great show.

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... interesting passage from the interview with the last episode's director Mimi Leder:

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HR: In your episode centered on Kevin's father, what's your sense of the elder Garvey's mental state? Is he crazy?

ML: My interpretation is that he is hearing voices and that he's not crazy. I think he snapped after the departure, the voices really do come and talk to him. That's why I did the shot of his reflection in the window — who's he talking to? He's definitely talking to somebody. He definitely hears the voices, the voices are telling him what's important, and he tells his son to listen. This is Damon's brilliant crafting — in episode nine, we go back and we see Garvey Sr. tell his son, "this is it. This is your purpose in life. You need to accept it. There isn't any more than this." In that moment, your mind will hopefully go back to this episode seven. It's part of Kevin's arc, finding out what is his purpose in this life.

HR: Has he found it?

ML: I think he's still discovering it. I think he's just, in this finale, confessing to what happened at the moment of departure and what he was wishing for. He was wanting his family gone, and he feels the guilt. He is still looking for his purpose.

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In both seasons now, it seems like major supernatural (or religious, depending on your perspective) events have happened when Kevin was at the depths of his despair: the Departure and now this giant fissure.... or second Departure?. Not saying these events revolved around him necessarily, just that it's not coincidental either. No idea where it goes, just thought it's worth noting.

It might be wishful thinking considering Lindelof's reputation from Lost, but I'm hoping the second half of the season ties everything together as well as the first season did.



Edit: Random, but interesting post on reddit breaking down the math of the statistical likelihood of a town like Jarden existing with no Departures. Assuming a 2% individual chance of departure in a town with population of 9,261, the chances of this happening are 1 in 1.80021081, or 1 in 1800167894059654614011665840669300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. In other words, a statistical impossibility.

There really may be something to Miracle, Texas.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLeftovers/comments/3rou7h/miraculousness_of_miracle_texas/

I'm sick of Nora's shit. Loved this ep.

Yo Regina King and Carrie Coon deserve Emmys just this episode alone.

Top notch acting, writing and directing b.

Nora threw the rock through the Murphy's window because she's bitter/jealous/derisive they still think Evie is alive, correct? That they haven't accepted she's departed yet?

I was thinking that through the episode but it wasn't until Erika threw the rock back that I felt more certain.

Also, could any book readers chime in with the "lensing" theory? Was this ever hinted in the book at all? Either way, I love how the show is exploring a metaphysical origin for the Sudden Departure, although it seemed a bit conflicting to me when Dr. Hebert attributed Nora's "lens" with that of the demon Azrael. If there's a scientifically measurable basis to departures, then why is the theory based on religious precepts?

But yeah, great episode that answers some questions as it opens up other questions. I dug how they explained the bird in the box and the sacrificing of the goat.

what if the girls didn't depart? Saw some intriguing theories on the interwebs... Evie has a history of rebelliousness right? And she "wouldn't understand" if her parents split? What was the purpose of that scene when the three girls were sitting in the dead silent car? Why was the car left blaring music (as if it was meant to be discovered)? And what was Erika signing to Evie that she didn't want John to hear (apparently she said "it will be okay")?

It's conceivable that Evie, knowing what was coming, didn't want to be around to see her parents split... so they emulate a departure and skip town for some time. I would posit that the details of departures are all over the internet (if not the DSD questionnaires themselves), so it wouldn't be hard to tick off the checkboxes for a successful "departure". It also feels like the show is directing us to believe in their departure, setting up a perfect swerve.

With that said, while the theory is compelling, I hope this isn't the case. I think the narrative could end up stronger if the girls are really gone.

> I think the narrative could end up stronger
>if the girls are really gone.

I rarely make up my mind like this
I'm convinced they are
I'm convinced it's because of Nora and fam
I'm not pinning it exactly to her just a general your fam is the main factor that changed in that town


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literally season 1 was all of the book. the way the son leaves the baby at his dad's is the way the book ends.

but the son leaves the child and joins another "cult"...he doesn't go back and help his mom.

'Lensing' and the geographical basis are pretty neat ways to expand the world then, on Lindelof's part

No "lensing". No National Geographic issues. No Australia. The book is barely plot-driven at all. Even less than the show.

Which is fine, because the show has become psychologically "deeper" than the book. Especially now that they've gone beyond anything that was written.

... a noted religious scholar that was a consultant for this season. They're older articles based on the first two episodes, but some interesting insights in both of them. A couple passages are pasted below:

http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/leftovers-mysteries-religion-reza-aslan.html

What’s the significance of the prologue, which takes place in the same spot that becomes Miracle?

The episode is called “Axis Mundi,” an ancient thought that goes back thousands of years. The idea is there are parts of the planet that served as a cosmic pole around which the entire universe circles. So for instance, the pyramids at Giza, the temple in Jerusalem, the Kaaba in Mecca are axis mundis... The inherent sanctity and magic of this place — whatever it is — is an eternal thing. It’s not just something that happened at the sudden departure.

Isaac predicts something bad is going to happen to John, who brushes it off. But when he drops his spoon down the sink disposal, he’s afraid to stick his hand in to get it. He’s superstitious after all.

You got it perfectly. The most absolute believer has in the back of his mind, in secret, doubt. And that’s true for the most fervent unbeliever as well. In the post-departure world, there is no such thing as absolute certainty. It just doesn’t exist.



http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/leftovers-questions-reza-aslan.html


But Kevin doesn’t cop to everything — his run-ins with deer and dogs.

Many think Kevin’s losing his mind; some think he’s having some kind of spiritual experience. I like to think of him in the second way, that either a prophet or a shaman. If I were to pick, I’d say he’s a shamanistic character. Prophets usually get messages from the beyond: They hear a voice telling them something, and then repeat that message to the masses. Shamans don’t really have a message. They’re kind of medicine men — that’s how they’re often referred to in tribal society... This is a very common trope in ancient religious traditions going back tens of thousands of years. Often they have an animal guide. In fact, for many shamans, the first part of the initiation is to find a spirit guide, an animal to communicate with and help them see the other world.

When Kevin Sr. is released from the mental institution, he says he’s now doing what the voices say. So was he “crazy” pre-Departure? Were the Kevins chosen before or after?

Is a shaman chosen or made? Most primitive tribes believe shamanism, and even prophecy, is a hereditary condition. Moses wasn’t just a prophet, so was his brother Aaron. Jesus has this prophetic nature, but according to his followers, so did his brother James... Shamanism is passed from father to son in almost every religious tradition. The fascinating thing about mental illness is that it’s also hereditary.


At the visitors’ center, someone tells Kevin he can help with his situation. Does he knows he’s a shaman?

I can’t imagine that in this post-Departure world Kevin is the only person who’s having this kind of experience … Holy Wayne was a really fascinating character because there was so much about him that was compromised, and yet whatever he was doing was actually working. People were dramatically affected by his hugs. Was he a charlatan, or did he have some kind of spiritual abilities? Isaac, the psychic, is example. This ability suddenly came to him. Is he a fraud, or is what happened in the Departure so earth-shattering that it created this psychic shift where people are spiritually transformed?

Or people of spiritual stature, we tend to see them as needing to be pure. That hugging dude could have had something special AND was on some bullshit at the same time. Also, do we believe the son having those powers now? And with the wife calling up looking for said son does that mean that her fight against the smokers continues to fail?

>Or people of spiritual stature, we tend to see them as
>needing to be pure. That hugging dude could have had something
>special AND was on some bullshit at the same time. Also, do we
>believe the son having those powers now? And with the wife
>calling up looking for said son does that mean that her fight
>against the smokers continues to fail?

Oh that's interesting
Esp since I'm also watching black Jesus
Where's Janey all of this got really really interesting w regards to theology
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The scene between Nora and Erika was so heavy. I loved it. Let's get this straight, I dislike Nora and the black husband. I want them both to disappear. I loved the story Erika told...that now explains the bird. I wonder what the back story is between her and the old man in the trailer. Her dad? Her uncle? Did he molest her or is he the reason why she's deaf? (I'm thinking the latter). But he...he knows things and he's the key. Anyway in that scene I'm like "this explains it all. it makes sense."

In regards to kevin seeing things, we could write that off as him going crazy but then remember at the end of episode two weeks ago, the man on the tower said "hey, who's your lady friend" after he and Patti were talking in the street. I don't think he's crazy.

Although it's natural for him to think so, especially with having to cope with his Dad's fate. After rewatching the last ten minutes of the episode it also makes me think... how reliable is Patti Levin? She seems to know things (his phone, the girls' fate, telling Kevin not to get in the car with John) but it's clear she has her own agenda, which may or may not coincide with what's actually best for Kevin. Did she tell Kevin not to get in the car because she wanted John Murphy (or Isaac) dead? If Kevin didn't intervene between John and Isaac, then the confrontation between John and Matt may never have happened.

Does John represent the antithesis of Patti's Guilty Remnant ideals? If he believes miracles don't happen in Miracle, then this could be interpreted as being at odds with the GR's philosophy to never forget.... and everything is just a matter of time.



And going back to Nora and Erika.... one thing that isn't clear is why Erika wanted to leave John in the first place. There really is nothing in the first several episodes to indicate that she's necessarily unhappy with him. Her disposition towards his behavior seems to mirror that of the town: an awkward acceptance ultimately best for Jarden so everyone turns the other cheek. Maybe she works on his victims as a form of catharsis, but there's gotta be something deeper in their relationship that would compel her to leave him (and her children!).

So many layers... I'm anticipating this show more than anything else right now. Like phenompyrus is saying, I'm stuck on this show far more than I expected to be.

this season is certainly one of those you have to go back and rewatch certain scenes.

in regards to Erika and John when she was helping Isaac, I got the feeling that she felt a bit defeated. She's telling his victims to let her husband slide but I felt like she was just tired of it all...in my mind I was wondering how was she dealing with it so for me to hear she was planning on leaving him, I wasn't shocked at all. John has a bad temperament. And its not just what he does at work but in general, his disposition seems off.

I gotta be honest tho, I'm surprised they are delving this deep into a religious/mystical explanation (In regards to the lens theory). As soon as the doctor told Nora that the demon Azrael was using her I had to turn off the show. I was like OH HELL NO ARE YOU KIDDING. and i'm actually a fan of that kind of thing...but literally the book offered no explanation so I guess he had to develop a theory.

SIDENOTE: WHen Nora tells Erika her logic is all over the place, I got so pissed. Erika was succinct and concise when she told her story. Her story made the MOST sense in trying to figure out why her daughter disappeared. Nora just didn't want to believe that she could be the reason her family disappeared. She was in denial.

The dangling threads, the acting, the new setting, the new mysteries, all of it is just really, really fantastic.

Naturally, Damon Lindelof's name always makes me worry that things will eventually head south as the story approaches the end, but right now, this show is the best one I'm watching on TV, hands down.

>Naturally, Damon Lindelof's name always makes me worry that
>things will eventually head south as the story approaches the
>end

... but this keeps lingering in my head too. Before season 1, I read a really interesting longform about Lindelof's deep and long term struggles with the backlash from Lost's ending. How a show so impressively multithreaded fell apart at the end with so many unanswered questions. Was that partially a function of being on network television, where season renewals are based almost solely on ratings? He might have been compelled to ramp up the drama each week without having a clear eye on the endgame. Contrast it with something like Breaking Bad, where Gilligan knew he'd get a fixed amount of seasons so he could weave the threads towards a logical conclusion. I could be misinterpreting this though.

In any case, that article actually made The Leftovers more compelling to me because it was a show with fixed material in an intriguing world. It sounded like Lindelof learned a lot from Lost and was determined not to repeat the same mistakes. And once those last few episodes blew my mind, it confirmed what I hoped for going into the first episode.

But now Lindelof is in uncharted territory, and despite the utter excellence so far this season, his reputation still precedes him. Ratings for this season are nowhere near last season, so I'm hoping the specter of Lost's structure isn't looming over The Leftovers as well. Granted, this season released in fall (vs S1 in the summer) and is up against really stiff competition, plus there was an uptick the last few weeks. I'm hoping to get at least a couple more seasons out of this show but the prospect of Lindelof painting himself into a corner looms heavy still.

Are still in the back of my mind.

You are messing up big time. Another amazing episode. Crazy or confused. The show did a good job of making a case for both sides. Great television.

I need time to process. I'm glad there's three more episodes because I think Season 1 only had eight.

And totally agreed. Such deft storytelling in exploring both sides. This is an amazing show.

1. How are you gonna go along with your crazy, child molesting grandpa's plan b? I guess he's gonna bury the body like Erica buries the birds.

2. Jill said she wanted fuck and he says no?! C'mon yo

let him be Christian and hold onto his beliefs because he's the ONLY reasonable person in the series.

I'm guessing his grandfather never molested him so he's not worried at all. But yeah I said the same. He gonna bury him so he can come back like a bird...

...and are not married but stick to their beliefs GREATLY.

Little niglet needs to go on ahead and raw dog that shit.

he does'nt need NONE of that in his life! He got enough crazy to deal with...and it might not even be about his religion, maybe he legit feels like he wants to wait. he may not even be a virgin but he know how crazy the dick drives ladies.

and then dip out.

That dude was weird as fuck.

Didn't Patti keep asking him why he didn't tell his family and as soon as he told his family she's like nah you shouldn't have done that...then she's like yeah take the medicine...then she's like NAH. So I think he needs to start doing the OPPOSITE of what she initially says because she's being a fucking jerk to him!

And that brings me to the question of why Virgil just let Kevin die! What did Kevin do? Does he believe Kevin brought evil to the town (actually it was Nora because I totally believe everything is her fault). Fam just dead ass let Kevin die and killed himself. Did Michael KNOW that's what Virgil was going to do? JEEZ.

I'm glad we finally get an explanation of what happened to Kevin in the first episode but now I think Laurie is right...Patti didn't tell him about him going to see Virgil because she didn't know, because she wasn't there...it does seem like her awareness of things is limited to things in his subconcious. But at the same time, old crazy dude at the square did ask "who's your lady friend..."


I'm genuinely surprised at how much better this season is than last.

NOTE: I am entertaining the idea that Virgil killed himself to be Kevin's guide. How else would he be able to go there to help him fight his adversary.

I didn't even think about Grandpa killing himself to be his guide. WOW. How did I miss that? I was just so stuck on the death aspect I didn't see the purpose. Man I'm loving this show. Good looking Steph.

squeezed out the whole epi pen (well epi syringe). If he is the guide, that part really didn't make sense, because wouldn't Michael use it to bring him back? Maybe that was just a red herring. It's not necessary for Kevin to get back.

that Virgil has his own agenda. Maybe *he* doesn't want Kevin to be revived?

I'm hoping next episode will be one hour of a cage match in hell between Patti & Kevin with Virgil shouting out fighting tips while a death metal version of Where Is My Mind loops.

Knowing this show though, next week will be an episode solely from Tom, Liv Tyler, Tower Man, or Lily's POV and we won't see what happened to Kevin until episode 9.

"You will see Kevin, or parts of Kevin, possibly memories of Kevin, Kevin's jogging pants, Maybe another character named Kevin, an adolescent game entitled 'Seven Minutes in Kevin,' and/or, but not necessarily literally, the ACTUAL Kevin, again. And soon. #GlennLives"

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-the-leftovers-a-most-powerful-adversary-where-is-my-mind

However, he did sort of get a bit of a send-off throughout the episode. He had some kind of farewell with every character who would need to see him before he dies.

Maybe he goes away and becomes the main suspect in the disappearance of the girls? Still can't believe Grandpa went out like that. I really wanted to dive into his character.

Virgil...and I'm hoping Kevin isn't really dead but we don't know...however Virgil did say he died before and was reborn so maybe...who knows but Michael (the grandson) didn't even seem shook when he saw the dead bodies. He knew exactly what he had to do...so it seems like this wasn't a strange occurrence to him.

But he stayed on his square and kept it moving. There is hope!

I think it's safe to assume Michael knew the plan, wasn't happy about it, and was tasked with a role to play as well.

And while that ending is all the buzz right now, how great was that scene between Laurie and Kevin? I haven't really been interested in Tommy's arc so much, but the revelation that Tommy may (or may not be) lying about Holy Wayne's transfer of power hit me like a ton of (small) bricks. I hope we get some background scenes on what happened there too.


(Sidenote: whoever does the editing for the preview scenes did a great job at swerving us for the episode. The previews showing Patti saying "I'm glad you finally asked" and the showdown between her and Kevin were so foreboding, yet we saw both in like the first 10 mins and each scene was nothing like we expected. Seriously... this could be the best drama on TV right now).

>"You will see Kevin, or parts of Kevin, possibly memories of
>Kevin, Kevin's jogging pants, Maybe another character named
>Kevin, an adolescent game entitled 'Seven Minutes in Kevin,'
>and/or, but not necessarily literally, the ACTUAL Kevin,
>again. And soon. #GlennLives"
>
>http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-the-leftovers-a-most-powerful-adversary-where-is-my-mind

Yeah that's all I got
GoT now makes it completely plausible
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So good.
So Virgil did off himself to be the guide. As soon as he said "I hope they don't catch that bird" I was like...this is it...but dude drank the water. I almost cried when he offed the bird...I'm wondering if he drank the water because he was truly thirsty OR if that was his plan all along considering he said "atonement" when Kevin asked him why he was there.

this episode was interesting...I'm glad that Kevin isn't dead. (Didn't think he was but the whole syringe thing threw me for a loop. while it was most likely a prop to make Kevin feel ok, why did he empty it out? i guess for us?)

two more episodes. very good season. I'm sad to see it end. HOWEVER is it just me or did they totally explain why the Guilty Remnant smoke and don't speak. I didn't think he'd ever tell us that.

They kinda said this before. I know his wife said they believe the world ended. I guess it's possible that this is the first time where someone has said the complete phrase "to remember that the world ended". I was more surprised that it was Kevin's reason but I immediately tied it to the GR and it made sense.

Beyond that it was another excellent episode. Kevin was kicking ass and taking names. The well scene was pretty powerful to me. I'm sad that it's almost over for this season.

I remember being satisfied with the eventual explanation for the GR's smoking and lack of speaking. IIRC, both of those actions are motivated by a fatalist philosophy: we're all going to die, so why waste our breath? Smoking and staying mute exemplify their desire to remind everyone else that they're wasting their time (trying to move on). Incidentally, I was somewhat surprised when Laurie was asked that question in her interview and she was unable to give a satisfactory answer.

Because of this, I interpreted Kevin's response to the smoking as more personal, rather than as something GR motivated (although his answer would certainly be favorable to a member of the GR).


But yeah, really great episode. I love how they really fleshed out the "other" world with its own set of cryptic rules and logic. I'm looking forward to when someone analyzes the episode vs The Divine Comedy. (Sidenote: ballons for Mary Jamison? sad face.)

That being said, I can't wait till they get back to Jarden. So much compelling shit is going on there. These last two episodes are going to be crazy.

about silence. I don't recall them explaining that last season...while Laurie did say "to remember" before, it still didn't make sense. and it still doesn't.

But i didn't take it as "don't bother wasting your breathe" but it was about the power of silence...how uncomfortable it makes people, how insecure ppl are without knowing what's going on or what the next person is thinking, its upsetting to walk around in complete silence when people could continue to laugh, sing, or talk.

then she ends up in another world where she is being chastised for talking too much.

I completely missed Patti's "silence is power" in relation to the GR.

This is spot on:

> But i didn't take it as "don't bother wasting your breathe" but it was about the power of silence...how uncomfortable it makes people, how insecure ppl are without knowing what's going on or what the next person is thinking, its upsetting to walk around in complete silence when people could continue to laugh, sing, or talk.

There's no need to speak since it would be "wasting" breath, but the *reason* why they remain silent is because of everything you just said. One of the main things that separates humans from animals is our ability to communicate through complex language. By denying that two-way street, it creates a profound divide between individuals since one knows everything and the other knows nothing.

>So Virgil did off himself to be the guide. As soon as he said
>"I hope they don't catch that bird" I was like...this is
>it...but dude drank the water. I almost cried when he offed
>the bird...I'm wondering if he drank the water because he was
>truly thirsty OR if that was his plan all along considering he
>said "atonement" when Kevin asked him why he was there.

Interesting interpretation, I hope they explain his motivation for drinking the water but I doubt they revisit the "other" world again. I saw him drinking the water as a representation of the way he died. Like, poison is one thing, but actually blowing your brains out is on another level. Maybe Virgil was extra thirsty because he died in a more violent way?


>this episode was interesting...I'm glad that Kevin isn't dead.
>(Didn't think he was but the whole syringe thing threw me for
>a loop. while it was most likely a prop to make Kevin feel ok,
>why did he empty it out? i guess for us?)

I think it was mostly for Kevin to go along with the plan but it could have also been to prevent Michael from trying to revive Kevin too. Whether or not it had actual antidote, if Michael saw a full syringe he might have strayed from the plan and brought back Kevin from panic.

it didn't matter how you died, remember she asked Kevin if he was thirsty and he said no and the lie detector determined that was a lie!!! and he finally drank some liquor (which, in my mind, was odd. I kept thinking, wouldn't other beverages be made of the water in that world? i'm not drinking anything)

Which brings up the interesting thing about Pattie's double. She was offered water but refused to drink it..she said "never touch that stuff." so i wonder if she was aware what was happening. But ppl KEPT offering water to people so my assumption was just that everyone is thirsty in "hell."

n/m

now remember...that's the name of the Preacher's wife. The man in the other world was delivering flowers/balloons to her...

was supposed to take HER to the well. I wish he had engaged her at some point, mostly to be like "did you really wake up that one time?" or something.

But patience, it was interesting to throw that in there. We'll see what happens. Maybe she drank the water.

I took it to mean she's not long for this world. Maybe she dies during childbirth. Who knows. I can't wait to see how they rock out the last two episodes. I really want to get someone else into this show just so I can watch it all again. I'm loving the whole affair.

I was wondering if her comatose state is really a result of her being stuck in this other world. maybe she's brain dead? who knows but I'm pretty sure i am going back to rewatch this season.

http://tvline.com/2015/11/22/the-leftovers-kevin-purgatory-season-2-damon-lindelof/

The Leftovers: Damon Lindelof Explains Sunday's Bats$%t Crazy Hour
By Michael Ausiello / November 22 2015, 7:06 PM PST

Roughly 15 minutes into Sunday’s The Leftovers, Virgil offered Kevin the following piece of advice about his guardian angel from hell Patti: “You’ve got to stop thinking in straight lines. Because she surely will not be. She thinks in spirals and helixes and zigzags and circles.”

The wise old man may as well have been referring to the breathtaking, audacious, innovative hour itself, which found Justin Theroux’s deceased leading man on some bizarro purgatory-ish adventure (click here for a full recap of the episode).
Series co-creator Damon Lindelof — who has been in radio silence mode for much of the season — briefly lifted his self-imposed gag order Sunday night, sharing with TVLine the following statement about “International Assassin”:

“The Leftovers is a show based on a supernatural premise and although we want the storytelling to feel as grounded as possible, the presence of Patti after her death flirts directly with that premise. We knew when we designed the season that Kevin’s main thrust this year would be ridding himself of Patti and this episode was the culmination of that story. There are those who don’t like it when the show gets “too weird” and they are likely to assume this episode was all in Kevin’s head… an ongoing fever dream catalyzed by whatever Virgil made him drink… A further manifestation of the psychosis Laurie diagnosed.

There are also those who will assign a supernatural interpretation to this episode. “Goddammit, here goes Lindelof with the Purgatory nonsense again… WE GET IT, ASSHOLE!”

It is not our place to explain ourselves nor clarify this debate. The show has to speak for itself on this front. I make no apologies for this as Tom, the writers and I have always been upfront about the storytelling on this show being purposefully ambiguous… The Leftovers isn’t about answers, it’s about the frustration of not getting them and the emotional state that drives our characters to. Like throwing rocks through the windows of people we feel sympathy for or drinking poison.
All that said, our intention here was simple. To try to do something different. And unexpected. And above all, emotional.
And regardless of what people think of the writing and/or storytelling, I hope they can appreciate the incredible performances from Justin and Ann who committed to this fully and fearlessly… I am proud and honored to be the beneficiary of their immense talents.

Oh. And there’s still two episodes to go.”

https://youtu.be/yhihUgjHw3s?t=984

interesting. This was just on last week. HA lol.

*Jeopardy is filmed way in advance. I'm wondering if the writers perhaps saw this episode, and put it in...just to fuck with us.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/the-leftovers-tom-perrotta-on-taking-kevin-to-the-other-side-and-if-there-will-be-a-season-3-20151128

In particular these questions:

Another talking point that is constantly discussed and will be discussed when it comes to "The Leftovers" is that line between questions that need to be resolved and questions that don't. And that line seems pretty clear to me. I don't know exactly how to talk about it or how I could find it — which is why I'm asking you — but the departure and what happened there is clearly a question that's not going to be answered. But when it comes to Kevin's sanity it felt pertinent enough that I expected to learn something final about that — like what we got in Episode 8. How do you determine what answers are the answers that need to be provided, versus what questions you're more comfortable leaving open-ended?

If I could tell you the one thing that surprised me the most last year was how angry some people got when we said, "Look, the cause of the Departure will never be answered." Either the show is actually about living with this unknown mystery — which to me it is anyway, it's just to me we kind of covered it with yellow highlighter — but I was surprised that people were angry. And one of the things that's been fun this year is we have a few goofy answers, where I guess if this were more of a genre show, the artifact that Kevin has to find would be the solution to the mystery. So that's been fun. But I would say Kevin's sanity is not a question to be answered. It's a thing. It's a process that he lives with, and I think the question for the show is, again, the question of framework. If Kevin lived in Laurie's rational, therapeutic world, he's insane — there's no question about it. She doesn't even ask the question of, "Kevin, are you possibly insane?" She just goes, "You're a very sick man." Because in that framework, Kevin is a very sick man. But if you suddenly say, "No. Kevin has the power to move into realms that are closed off to other people. someone like maybe his father." If you accepted that there is a reasonable way to talk about his experience, then it may not be the most useful thing to say Kevin is insane.

And kind of connected to that, one of the questions that I was very curious about relates to two weeks ago when Nora actually left Kevin. He woke up and she was gone. That was one of the things that really caught me off guard. It didn't seem like something she would necessarily do just because of what he said. And obviously I don't want anything spoiled for the final episodes, but are we going to explore more of her rationale behind leaving him?

You should just keep watching. I think one of the things with "The Leftovers" is that often we get around to answering questions . Like in this case in the question of Episode 8, we answered the question of "Is Kevin dead?" very quickly. And sometimes there's a big lag between when a question gets posed and when a question gets answered. For instance, you see Erica unearth that box in Episode 1 and it's not til Episode 6 that you find out what that was all about. So I think that we're very aware that there's certain questions that are hanging out there and will sort of will hopefully be answered in time.

http://variety.com/2015/tv/features/leftovers-evie-alive-episode-209-damon-lindelof-1201649433/

AWESOME interview with Lindelof. No swipe cuz I'm on mobile but really great insights to the creative process for this season. Obviously don't read if you haven't seen episode 9 though.

I didn't see it coming but I'm not the type that likes to figure twists out before they're revealed anyways. I have been reading reviews and reddit and all that, yet I don't recall anybody predicting it.

It does seem obvious now, and as Lindelof said that was a huge risk:

"We had to set it up in the premiere and then just let it go and just hope that nobody figured it out, because if one person went on Twitter and said. “Those girls driving in the car without speaking reminded me of something,” the whole second season of the show . "

Really paid off though, and unlike many shows that peak in the penultimate episode, the stage is set for an amazing finale. If it delivers then this will go down as an excellent season and I'm sure the show will be renewed.

Interesting twist and it's actually one that adds new layers to the plot. Well done.

Also, this might be the best acting Liv Tyler has ever done. She was solid. I'm over Tommy, what a lemming he is. Hope he gets snuffed somehow.

I was like half and half. Definitely thought the girls were alive. Part of GR tho? A bit surprising but it basically explains the whole first episode (well the end when they are just driving looking dead eyed and silent).

Loved the ending. Did not see that coming at all. I hate Tom for being so weak. Get ya balls back man! I know Meg is hot and all but come on! I can't wait to see what she has planned for Miracle. NO ONE IS SPARED...from the bullshit.

I, like most everyone else it seems like, was completely surprised by Evie's return. Such a great misdirect that stays consistent within the world's logic. That first episode carries so much more meaning now... the silence in the car was key, but them running naked through the woods throws the search dogs off their scent.

The big question now is how did Meg get her claws in those girls, and deep enough to get them to pull this? The presumption is she's been working Jarden for a while now, long enough to establish a colony in the outskirts and long enough to recruit the girls. I hope they show a tidbit of how Meg (or her faction of GR) was able to infiltrate the town, either via an insider or some other means.

And since this last episode was Meg/Tom centric, there's a LOT of loose ends to wrap up. Off the top:

- Nora leaving Kevin
- Matt re-entering town, and his conversation with John Murphy
- Mary Jamison's illness and pregnancy
- Virgil and Michael (family's reaction to Virgil's death)
- Laurie and Jill
- John with Kevin's handprint
- Tom and Meg

Some other non-critical things that may not get addressed, but are still open ended:

- Letter to Australia (dude on the bridge?)
- Patti really gone?
- Erika maybe leaving John
- Laurie and Tom
- Michael and Jill (bwood I see you)

Is there anything I'm missing?

and if she never appears in another episode I would not care at all.

I still dont' get why Matt had so much trouble getting back into Jarden/Miracle. they go through great lengths for security but didn't bother having someway to scan wrist bands to verify the person wearing the wrist band is the resident inside the city. and I still don't get why he could never reach the preacher sponsoring him. he went through so much that really shouldn't have happened.

I don't care for Jill's teen angst and her and Michael are something I don't want to see.

But I want to see more of Virgil. Definitely want to see more of Isaac. I'm curious as to what he told Megan. The story was probably so silly. More back story on Virgil and Isaac please.

I can be logical to a fault and while I don't necessarily agree with her methods, I usually understand where she's coming from. Throwing rocks through windows and leaving Kevin are out of my wheelhouse though, hah.

As for Matt's journey, I read something that makes so much sense: he lived (is living?) the Book of Job. In the Bible, Satan tests Job's loyalty to God by putting him through tragedy after tragedy: his property, his children, his health. Job is tested not because he is God's worst, but because he is God's best. After his trials and tribulations Job, in the deepest recesses of his despair, would still not renounce God and remained faithful. Then God rewarded Job many times over for his unrelenting faith.... but will Matt be rewarded for his? I have a feeling this may be the resolution to his story.

And yeah, definitely forgot to mention Isaac. I would put that in the "non-critical" category since the last time we saw him was in a flashback. Despite little screen time, he's an intriguing character because of his potential link to the supernatural, much like Holy Wayne in the first season.

however, I wish it would have been a bit more rational or logical. for example, yes it was explained that they couldn't get in contact with the preacher sponsor that particular day but him being stuck out there and no one ever finding the other preacher was so unbelievable to me. None of the church members could vouch for him. He shouldn't have been stuck outside. The guy who stole his wrist band shouldn't have been able to get inside (if nothing else, when they scan the bands they should have realized it was for an older and his wife). I wish he would have come upon hard times in a logical sense. But I'm pulling for him.

Nora just annoyed me from the beginning and her spending all of their money on the house and then her leaving him like that because he told her his truth was such bullshit. ALL your money? Just get up and leave him...not say anything? I just keep thinking if she loved him the way she claimed she did, she would have stayed and helped him. But i guess because it was a GR member he was seeing it was too much like home to her.

Maybe a small nugget saying he can't vouch for people without wristbands? Or maybe he can't because he could get booted for giving Matt shelter?

I get not having the bands be scannable though. It's still a small town, not much in the way of technology and having ubiquitous scanners would get pricey. But yeah the whole wristband system is sorta broke, hah.

As for Nora I don't necessarily see it as her leaving him outright though (at least not yet). I often need time to digest things, to sleep on it and let it simmer before I make a decision. She's not the type to leave things unresolved, but she needed time to figure out how to approach Kevin.

Like....how weak and bitch made is this dude?

Most people blame Tommy lack of balls, I can't help but give Meg some props.She messed with his mind after that little meeting. She tried to make him pregnant LOL. That would make my balls shrivel too.
I'd lie if I said that I saw that last twist coming but the flashback scene of Meg going to Miracle to talk to Isaac, the palm reader and eventually meets Evie and share carrots, I started to think of a connection in between them. Why would Meg want to go so extra in Miracle so much? Kill Issac for whatever he told her during her reading with him about her mother's question? Or whatever connection she had with Evie? What were the odds that it's Evie she met? The girl who would subsequently mysteriously vanish from Miracle. And yes this is the best acting I've ever seen from Liv Tyler. She was amazing in that episode. I thought Mr Robot was going to be my favorite show of 2015; The leftovers is slowly passing it.

is based on what Evie said: everyone goes there hoping for relief to their problems but no one ever finds it. Miracle's a fraud, despite the towns' efforts to market it otherwise. So that's why she spit on the ground before getting on the bus.

I'm also assuming that flashback happened before the events of the first season and was the tipping point to Meg joining the GR.

I think Matt/Meg/Kevin are all somewhat in cahoots.

Meg is a more violent version of the GR. First chain smoking vigilante the series had though was Kevin. Also, Matt was with Kevin when Patti killed herself (I'm sideways hoping it isn't some sideways Fight Club reveal that Kevin and Patti are of the same person). And then Meg has still infiltrated the guilty remnant but secretly hates it.

It's a far fetched prediction, but it gave me the idea because in International Assassin, I noticed in the closet when Kevin took out the suit, there was also a guilty remnant outfit, a police uniform, and a clergy robe. It is also suspicious that the pastor in Miracle just happened to be leaving for a bit, and Matt was going to be the substitute pastor.

Also, does anybody know what happened to the family that lived in the house before Nora and Kevin moved in? I almost want to say the same guy that crawled out of the cave in Australia has the same last name as the family John mentions having lived there in the first episode.

Can't wait til the finale.

Wow liv good job
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I really hope this show gets some recognition for just how good this season has been.

Most of these actors should get recognition for their work on the show. The man who played John was especially awesome for me.

Not sure where they would go with a 3rd season, but I'd be IN regardless. Bravo.

1. seeing virgil when he went back to the hotel
2. patti being in the house too. like her stepping up behind nora and he realizing that it aint over

but this was a great finale.

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> 2. patti being in the house too. like her stepping up behind nora and he realizing that it aint over


... if Patti was cleaned up and looking nice, not in GR clothes. I LOVED the way the Patti arc ended, that whole Little Patti scene up to and at the well was amazing. It was also closure, which is pivotal for Kevin's character. Reintroducing her would have reduced the impact of Kevin's scene with Michael, and might cause confusion with the viewer.


I would have LOVED seeing Virgil back at the hotel, but since the hotel is a sort of purgatory, I wouldn't have expected him to remain much longer at the hotel. He did (choose to?) die, after all.

and actually if Patti had been included, it would have left the story open (meaning there is no closure). I feel the way season 2 ended was perfect because there isn't anything left to truly tie up. If there isn't a third season, I wouldn't be upset at all. But Patti could have served as a way to address Kevin's mental issues in the third season.

I would have really liked to see Virgil though ONLY because it was a day later. Virgil gone already?

Seeing Peggy there at the end would have been a step back imo. One of the biggest stories this season was how Kevin defeated Peggy, it was built up for 7 episodes and executed beautifully. There's no need to do it again because it would cheapen S2's battle. Not to say he's psychologically cured now, but Peggy shouldn't bother him anymore.

As for Virgil, I got the sense that he was already gone because he drank the water. Virgil had no clue who Kevin was towards the end of episode 8, if Kevin saw him again in episode 10 he would have gotten the same reaction. Would have been nice to see him in the background though.

Putting Virgil in the background would have been great (maybe as a bartender or something) but I would understand why they wouldn't. Seeing him would have detracted from the impact of the scene, and the feelings of the viewer ("is Kevin coming back?").

I did feel closure with Virgil though... it was such an organic reveal when Michael told us he was Erika's father. It also ties together Erika's story about her grandmother, and why/how Virgil ended up being a spiritual guide for Kevin.

On that note, I'm really impressed with how well they resolved so many loose ties. Like the scenes between Jill & Laurie and Jill & Michael were small, but they were fantastic touches to an already great episode. And they even brought back Kevin's dog! Although I would have loved to see a scene between Matt and John regarding Mary, considering their character arcs I think it would go as expected. Kevin Carroll as John Murphy was masterful in the finale, and seeing so many different emotions from such a stoic character all season was stunning.

Ugh. Really hope they bring the show back at least another season.

Here are some links to give people hope for that:

Leftovers at #1 on Sepinwall's "best of TV" list:
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/tv-top-10-of-2015-the-leftovers-fargo-mad-men-more

Ratings best of the season for the finale:
http://headlineplanet.com/home/2015/12/08/ratings-hbos-the-leftovers-climbs-for-season-finale/

Variety covering the GR in front of the HBO building to renew the show:
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/leftovers-season-3-fans-campaign-costume-hbo-1201655760/

was it really a surprise that Virgil was Erika's dad. At first I was curious about the link between them but two scenes gave it away for me:

1. him knowing about the birds (i'm assuming that's a "family" tradition, her grandmother told her but Virgil knew because he was family)
2. him talking about what he did to John. i felt like if he was his dad, the reveal would have probably been there.

but i do believe it was organic but i'm surprised at how many ppl on other boards were surprised.

also I agree with you guys about Kevin...but I'm just a sucker for horror movies. And you know, it's never ever truly the END of the antagonist. Also, I don't think his issues were fully addressed. Patti may be gone but that doesn't mean other issues won't occur.

I was kind of surprised that it was a reveal for folks as well. My thing was I thought he did something to HER and that's why dude popped him.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/the-leftovers-season-two-finale-questions-reza-aslan.html?mid=twitter_vulture

And a couple more links regarding the finale and an interview with Lindelof:

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-the-leftovers-wraps-an-all-time-classic-season-with-i-live-here-now

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/damon-lindelof-on-the-leftovers-im-fighting-for-the-life-of-the-show

I love this show man.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/leftovers-renewed-a-third-final-845724

'The Leftovers' Renewed for a Third and Final Season at HBO

Despite low ratings, the critically acclaimed drama from Damon Lindelof and Tom Perrotta will be back next year.
The Leftovers will be departing -- but not without final farewell.

HBO has renewed the drama from creators Damon Lindelof and Tom Perrotta for a third and final season. The news comes on the heels of the show’s second season finale and a Writers Guild of America nomination in the episodic drama category for Justin Theroux starrer “International Assassin,” written by Lindelof and Nick Cuse.

“It is with great enthusiasm that we welcome back Damon Lindelof, Tom Perrotta and the extraordinary talent behind The Leftovers for its third and final season,” HBO programming president Michael Lombardo. “This show has proven to be one of the most distinctive HBO series and we are extremely proud of its unrivaled originality, which has resulted in such a passionate following by our HBO viewers. We admire and fully support Damon’s artistic vision and respect his decision to bring the show to its conclusion next season.”

“I have never, ever experienced the level of creative support and trust that I have received from HBO during the last two seasons of The Leftovers,” said Lindelof. “Tom, myself and our incredible team of writers and producers put tremendous care into designing those seasons as novels unto themselves…with beginnings, middles and ends. As we finished our most recent season, it became clear to us that the series as a whole was following the same model…and with our beginning and middle complete, the most exciting thing for us as storytellers would be to bring The Leftovers to a definitive end. And by ‘definitive,’ we mean ‘wildly ambiguous but hopefully mega-emotional,’ as all things related to this show are destined to be.

“On behalf of our incredible crew and superb cast, we are all tremendously grateful that HBO is giving us an opportunity to conclude the show on our own terms... an opportunity like this one rarely comes along, and we have every intention of living up to it," he continued. "One more thing. We are blessed by the unwavering support of our fans and the incredibly powerful voice of the critical community. We feel absolutely privileged to heat up one last helping of leftovers.”

The series, which debuted in 2014, explores what happens when two percent of the world’s population mysteriously vanishes. Based on the novel of the same name by Perrotta, the show burned through its source material in the first season and the writers consequently revamped the drama in its second iteration, relocating to a new city (both onscreen and off) and introducing new brand new characters.

The risks paid off, as the series solidified its status as a critical hit this year.The show hails from Warner Bros. Television, which is both home to Lindelof (he has an overall deal there through 2018) and HBO's first outside studio buy. Although the cabler typically owns all of its original programming, it will see its other WBTV show, Westworld, premiere sometime next year.

In addition to Theroux, the Leftovers ensemble is made up of Carrie Coon, Amy Brenneman, Chris Eccleston, Liv Tyler, Ann Dowd, Margaret Qualley, Chris Zylka, Janel Moloney, Regina King, Kevin Carroll and Jovan Adepo. In a somewhat surprising move, the drama — known for its ambiguous and enigmatic storytelling — recently wrapped up its second season rather neatly.

"I want each season to feel like the seasons of The Wire to me in that they felt complete," Lindelof told The Hollywood Reporter of how he intends to structure the series year-to-year. "That’s the way seasons of The Leftovers are always going to feel. They’re never going to end on cliffhangers — they’re always going to finish with that story."

As far as the next season is concerned, Lindelof has only just begun mapping it out. “I have thought about where we would go in the third season, but just the very beginnings of ideas," he added. "Some of them we had to discuss in order to make the moves that we made in the finale in terms of not wanting to put our backs on the wall."

Despite the critical acclaim, Leftovers has never been much of a ratings draw. In fact, viewership in the second season dropped nearly 60 percent compared to season one, averaging a 0.31 rating in the 18-49 demo with 0.67 million viewers this year. Lindelof attributes the low numbers to the weighty themes and intense material — pain, loss and religion among them — that the show explores.

“I think there’s a sense of, ‘Where did everybody from season one go? Are they going to binge it? Are they coming back?’ It’s like The Leftovers itself — maybe we’ll never know,” he said, quipping: “It’s a little more than two percent unfortunately.”

Final-season sendoffs like The Leftovers' upcoming farewell tour are becoming more and more common in TV as networks look to use final seasons as a way to make noise in an increasingly crowded marketplace. HBO made the same move when it announced renewals for Boardwalk Empire and The Newsroom, which both ended last year, as well as Getting On, which is in the middle of its final run.

The Leftovers joins fellow returning HBO series Game of Thrones, Girls, Veep, Silicon Valley, Togetherness and Ballers.

This season was a delight, a great complement to the already awesome first season. The Murphy's were a great addition to the Leftover's universe. My only gripe was having John shoot Kevin for the reason he shot him for. It was almost gratuitous. Especially that Kevin did not hold it against him later after John realizes that Kevin had nothing to do with Evie's orchestrated disappearance. Other than that I'm pretty sure I might have enjoyed The Leftovers SE02 better than Mr Robot.Which is a lot. I love close loop stories that have a beginning and an end.

Just powerful with acting with emotion, story, and imagery.