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696166, Are they though?
Posted by wallysmith, Thu Apr-16-15 09:37 AM
>his intentions are ALWAYS a secret.

Like you said, he doesn't get his hands dirty, except in private. We saw this in that clip above that Arya was privy to, we saw this in his plea to Ned to admit he was a traitor, and we saw a hint of this in his conversation with Oberyn last season, with his nod to the throne.

However, his S1 conversation with Illyrio Mopatis made absolutely clear where his loyalties lie: to the Targaryens. How are Daenerys and Viserys in Penthos under Illyrio's care? Why else would Varys urge Illyrio to speed Daenerys' betrothal to Khal Drogo?

But he hid his intentions, like publicly supporting King Robert's desire to kill Daenerys (and her child) to the Small Council. Doing otherwise would have been suicide since he knew Littlefinger was just as well connected as he was.

Yet his conversation with Tyrion is the first time we've seen him be *explicit* about his intentions to an "outsider". Why?

- He's at the home of Illyrio, the only person we've seen that is truly on Varys' side (where it's also safe to assume Littlefinger has no reach)
- Tyrion is clearly not on good terms with his family or anyone in King's Landing
- Daenerys is clearly not going back to Westeros any time soon. Linking Tyrion (who has the motive) to Daenerys may compel her to do so.

>it's possible he's not fully invested in Tyrion/Dany in the
>show like they've made it out to be but Varys and LF are
>pulling the strings on pretty much everything.

It's possible, yes. But it would throw the entire Daenerys arc out of wack, because there is no reason Daenerys should have been alive this long. She (and Viserys) would have died at the end of Robert's Rebellion like the rest of her family.

Varys and LF really are pulling the strings on everything, but with completely different motives.


>Varys would not let it known that he is with Tyrion traveling
>across Essos. He's a person of interest in the murder of
>Tywin. Cmon now. He's much more careful than that.

Who says he's letting it known? It's not like he's advertising where he's at. He's also disclosing his motives with probably the only person in Westeros who hates the Lannisters more than the Starks hate them. He's not exactly being "careless" by opening up to Tyrion.

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>They tried to kill Dany in Essos. It's not out of reach.

"They", yes. But not Varys. Robert was responsible for that, by a public decree. Varys was lucky Jorah was there to stop it. Why would Varys sabotage the work he's been putting in for the last ten years?

Remember, the important thing to note is that Daenerys and her brother should have died when Robert became king, but they were smuggled out of Westeros and privately harbored for years with Illyrio Mopatis. Varys wants stability for "the realm" and he feels that a Targaryen on the throne is the only way to achieve that.