Trailer drops tomorrow.

As I said in the Interstellar post, if this is as good as early reports indicate, then Spielberg is gonna shoot himself in the face twice.

I've heard every Eastwood movie will be The One for the last decade. I'm immune to Eastwood-related hype at this point.

>>I'm immune to Eastwood-related hype at this point.

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For real?

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Haven't been a fan since he had that good run in the 90's

Mystic River wasn't nearly the masterpiece most peeps had hyped it to be. After that I figured he's just not my cup of tea.

... but he hasn't had one since Unforgiven. Which is now over two decades ago.

No director has been coasting more on his past than Clint. Except for Ridley Scott.

Swank deserved her accolades though-- she was tremendous.

The embarrassing redneck family scenes alone knock it off the "great" peg, in my opinion.

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I haven't seen Letters in awhile, but I remember liking it very much.

After David O'Russell passed he was attached for damn near a year.

Interstellar he was attached for 7 years.

He REALLY fucked up by not doing Interstellar.

>He REALLY fucked up by not doing Interstellar.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZtrhRRw53Y

dont think a trailer has ever made my heart pound and make me sit forward like that before....great trailer

I've been burned roughly half a dozen times this decade by Clint, but I can't pretend it's not a good trailer. Good trailers don't mean anything, but it does raise my excitement from ice-cold to potentially-hopeful.

Usually not bothered by em but it stood out a lot in this trailer

Looks pretty good (hurt lockerish) other than that so might give it a shot

npi

The key is subtlety and they are never subtle.

>The key is subtlety and they are never subtle.

Maybe it's easier for Europeans

lately

yes my blah is rooted in US military adventurism and representation

i'll see it when it's a dollar. Clint movies are typically boring as fuck

That was a great trailer ahead of "Gone Girl"

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They fry you if you're wrong

But holy shit what a terrible jib to have
Deciding life or death on what yo think someone is doing

I'll be after I peep this shit on Sunday.

Liked the sparse use of music. When it was used, it was dramatic as hell (in a very good way).

At 2 hours and ten minutes It's rushed with the drama, but it was still well done. The family stuff was kept afloat due to Cooper mostly (Ms. Miller does a great job as well, but this is Bradley's show).

The action is taught and suspenseful. Clint was directing some of this shit as if he was a young man in the game. You can clearly see the action at all times with dreadful tension.

I really liked this shit. This shit better than most "awards" movies I've seen this year.

This should do the same numbers that Lone Survivor did. Maybe better.

But let me down a little bit. I'm looking forward to this now. Lone Survivor was a little too much "action hero" for me.

suspenseful. Most of the Iraq shit he's facing off with his Iraqi equivalent.

The more I think about the film, the weaker it gets, but like I said it's still better than most "awards" films this year. Bar none.

i'm obsessed with the lives of snipers. it has to be the most harrowing task in the military

i'm assuming this will be like the Hurt Locker of sniping...which i won't be mad at.

I was on the fence with this film. Like Foxcatcher, I felt like it told the story but there was so much ground to cover that it only covered the surface and never let us into the deeper struggles. That being said, the action scenes were tense, even if the music at times was borderline comical. It was like a horror movie cue everything Mustafa, the Syrian Sniper, appeared.

And then I learned that Mustafa was a fictional character* and, well, that really killed it for me. I can understand giving Kyle a nemesis so he isn't just going against faceless, nameless Iraqis but Mustafa played a HUGE role in Kyle's motivation in this film that it feels like this is less is more of an action film Inspired by the life of Chris Kyle. It's like Eastwood and Co. couldn't figure out how to convey the commitment and psyche of soldiers so they relied on a "But Mustafa is still out there! I must stop him!" story.

Also, the growing up section and the stuff with his brother could have been cut out. They didn't really add much of anything, especially when the brother disappears midway through the movie.

In the end, as an action movie, it's pretty solid with good action scenes but as anything more, well, there isn't more.

*There was someone named Juba, the sniper of Bagdad, who terrorized US troops but I'm not sure how much contact Kyle had with him and he certainly wasn't his arch-enemy.

I just didn't care at the end of the day. Cooper was great but the story just didnt grab me. It's uneven, overly long, and I didn't care about Chris as an American war machine. The much more interesting stuff was the climax and his turn as someone helping others.

after he was killed. Which to me seems like an absolutely horrible decision. His working with other soldiers wasn't less important just because one of the soldiers was so far gone that he killed Chris.

Instead it becomes "I'm so bad-ass that it takes me one scene to get over PTSD and turn my life around."

>Instead it becomes "I'm so bad-ass that it takes me one scene
>to get over PTSD and turn my life around."

All the pivotal moments are so forced in with one or two scenes. Just very disappointing.

At the end of the movie, when they put up that one or two sentence explanation of what happened, I was like, "What!? I want to see that movie!"

https://storify.com/RaniaKhalek/tcotsniper

I cant believe they made a movie revering this racist psychopath.

edit, actually I can. It's Clint Eastwood.


also, Chris Kyle was full of shit.

http://time.com/3058141/jesse-ventura-successfully-sues-american-sniper-author-for-1-8-million/

It'd be much more interesting if the focused on the mental aspects of the job.
The shoot em up shit got tedious real quick

the writing was soooooooo ugh.

biggest gross by a drama all-time (though I guess it could be argued this is as much action as drama)
Anyway the movie was about as subtle as I expected, ie not a fucking bit. I might be smh at the jingoism and xenophobia if I didn't know going in what Clint was gonna do with the story. Cooper was decent but the script didn't really force him to go very far into the dark side and despair of the character

i would question any movie about the american military that wasnt chocked full of OMG MURRICA FUCK YA!

Would've liked more nuances but I don't think that was ever Clint's idea. Wonder what Spielberg would've done with the story

the scene where he kills Mustafa was soooo bad. You got him Chris! You did it!

I was not feeling this movie at all. The beginning where he was a young boy should have been cut to make room for more about him helping other soldiers. I like how he over comes PTSD in like 5 minutes. Well it took one visit to a hospital and now he is a completely changed man. Especially when the movie makes a point of showing the effects of PTSD so early on. You see it building and building and building. Then he comes home and has 1 incident at a bbq. Goes to the VA hospital and the next scene he is cured.

1. He overcomes PTSD in two scenes. The filmmakers say it's a character piece but the main emotional issue is glossed over.

2. Mustafa was a made up character who became a huge motivation for Chris Kyle. And I think that takes away from the fog of war (anyone could be a foe; it's not just about killing one guy) and the fact that he was out there trying to protect his fellow troops, not kill one dude.

>and the fact that he was out there trying to
>protect his fellow troops, not kill one dude.


That is another issue I had with Chris Kyle's character in the movie. He keeps talking about he wanted to protect his soldiers. He loves his country more than his family etc. But he keeps putting his guys at risk because of selfish reasons to go after that one guy. Whether its the Butcher or Mustafa. There was no consistency with him. You cant paint this picture of this perfect soldier then make decisions in the story telling that contradict that. Its one way or the other.

Good call buddy.

>2. Mustafa was a made up character


I just listened to an old interview and he talked about an iraqi sniper on the olympic team and he said someone else on his team got him.

Is the enemy sniper Mustafa based on a real person?

Yes, but he holds far less significance in the book, at least in relation to Chris Kyle. In the movie, Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper) engages in a film-long pursuit of an enemy Syrian sniper named Mustafa (Sammy Sheik), whom the American soldiers refer to as "Kaiser F—in' Söze." In Kyle's autobiography, the enemy Iraqi sniper Mustafa is only mentioned in passing in a single paragraph. He is described as "an Olympics marksman who was using his skills against Americans and Iraqi police and soldiers."


Did Chris really kill the enemy sniper Mustafa?

No. In reality, Chris Kyle never actually encountered the enemy Iraqi sniper Mustafa, who he believes was killed by other U.S. snipers. Chris does make a 2,100-yard shot in the book, but it was to take out a random combatant on a rooftop who was about to fire an RPG at an Army convoy. "It was my longest confirmed kill in Iraq," writes Chris, "even longer than that shot in Fallujah."


However, my main point stands. They made Mustafa a major motivation for Chris Kyle when in reality, the two never actually met.

>However, my main point stands. They made Mustafa a major
>motivation for Chris Kyle when in reality, the two never
>actually met.


I wanted to hear his interview that ultimately got him sued, and that came up and it reminded me of your post, thats all.

I wonder how all this plays out if he were still here.

The screenwriter said he shaped the character based off of his meetings with Kyle and felt like he was far more damaged/affected by his killing than he let on in public. But I doubt Kyle would take a kinder, gentler stance. There'd probably be a lot of "Say it to my face" to the critics. And I have no idea how he could respond to the debunked stories.

Although, before he died, there was supposedly more in the film about his work/life after the war, which would have helped the film.

It's one of my main issues with the decision to use Mustafa. It took the motivation away from him simply wanting to protect his guys (who were from attack all over, not just from one dude), the fact that anyone anywhere could be a threat (which is a huge issue with PTSD), and, in the end, he decided to not go back because he wanted to save his family. The film made it seem like he had some closure but the decision was tougher. (Or, that's how it's been portrayed in what I've read.)

I understand from a plot angle why you'd add him but the film being a character study, I think it was a bad addition.

>the scene where he kills Mustafa was soooo bad. You got him
>Chris! You did it!



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Call of Duty with 2 guys from Wedding Crashers.

Cooper was good, Sienna was not.

why the fuck was there a plastic baby used in this movie? If you guys didnt notice, it was after his son was born. They are in their house talking and his wife is carrying a fake fucking baby. A creepy ass fake baby at that. WTF CLINT!

The first baby had a fever.

The backup baby was a no show.

So Clint opted for the doll.

it was just a prop. they could have had the same conversation sans baby

the action was well-executed.

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has already said it earlier, Chris Kyle was a piece of shit. His story does not interest me at all. As a matter of fact I don't even believe him. His story sounds like it was totally manufactured. Yall do know he was murdered right?

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I am tainted I guess because of all I read about the propagandizing the movie does before I actually saw it.

But I'd like to think I would have seen through it. Like it was super convenient that every person he killed was just about to kill American Soldiers. The movie had no moral ambiguity about the lives he took.

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I am just chuckling right now,lol. I remember how upset you were about Kingsman. That movie did nor offend me at all. I loved it and thought it was funny. You should be way more upset about American Sniper. AS is nothing but 100% racism.

Chris Kyle was a racist redneck piece of shit that was ued and he was later murdered. Shit this dumb redneck mutherfucker may not have even shot anyone. All this shit is a game. Do some research man.

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Slow-mo bullet... really? Rival super sniper? lol.

They COUDL have made a movie showing war changes people and that nothing is clean.

Or maybe the script for the 1993 movie Sniper got merged in by accident and that's how they picked up the "Iraqi super sniper rival" plot??

oh yeah right wrong movie. lol.

i don't think it was anything people have made it out to be, good OR bad.

it just was.

maybe it got all the hate because it was up for awards and whatnot.