Not-limited series

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Soderbergh directing/DPing/editing again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItBAXOEE8Vk

two doctors have to perform an emergency Caesarean.

Because, welp.

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I'll never learn :(
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Ayo, Doctor Bertie is young William Miller from Almost Famous.

Time flies.

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The show could go any number of ways, but I enjoyed the pilot for the most part.

Soderbergh is good at what he does. Clever editor, too. I'll be re-watching the first c-section scene just to pay attention to the cutting.

And if this first episode was any indication, Clive is trying to make a run at statues.

Is the use of contemporary synth-based music as the score for a show set 114 years ago a conscious attempt to frame the show in a modern context? In other words, to draw parallels between that era and our own? Or is it just an attempt to seem more appealing to the average viewer? A little of both? I found the score well-employed, but a little jarring. Maybe that was the goal, though...

i like when period pieces don't feel the need to play into the idea of sepia toning everything, and using static shots, so we get that it's taking place in the past. public enemies' use of handheld and digital (the latter long before it was the norm) is another good example of this.

i definitely think it's meant to push us to think about modern parallels a bit more, but i also think that it's in line with how soderbergh typically does things these days (cliff martinez score, handheld, shallow focus, etc). i love the score and the look of the show - the whites are so damn crisp, which is a nice parallel to the literal darkness in a lot of places. (i'm not 100% sold that i love the show itself, but stylistically i think it's great so far.)

>Is the use of contemporary synth-based music as the score for
>a show set 114 years ago a conscious attempt to frame the show
>in a modern context? In other words, to draw parallels between
>that era and our own? Or is it just an attempt to seem more
>appealing to the average viewer? A little of both? I found the
>score well-employed, but a little jarring. Maybe that was the
>goal, though...

like one of the central components of Thackery's character is that he's separate from his time -- aloof, above it. I felt like the music helped underscore that. It was jarring, out of place, didn't really care that everyone could tell it doesn't belong. Thackery seems like he's dissatisfied with the world around him, sees it as poor and imperfect and behind the times, and Thackery has decided that he will just unapologetically push forward regardless, drag it forward with him. I definitely feel like "futurism" and "modernism" is a key theme, especially with Thackery, and the music underscores that. Even if it feels out of place in the 1900s that's what the story is about.

i hadn't thought of it like that, and i think you're definitely correct. that's a very interesting idea and definitely hovers over pretty much every aspect of the series.

My gf and I have been anticipating ep 1 since we saw the first teaser a few months ago. It did not disappoint. What a thrilling watch. I like Andy greenwalds analysis of this being a directors accomplishment rather than what we are used to with compelling television being a writers world. Soderbergh's vision and skill is slathered all over this. Clive as Thackery is perfect.

The surgery scenes were difficult to watch without cringing, something that hasn't happened to me in a medical drama since....the beginnings of ER? Good on Cinemax for throwing the cash and freedom at this project. While banshee has a cult following, The Knick is what's gonna put them on the award radar.

I cannot wait for the next episode.

Also, loved Bono's daughter injecting liquid cocaine into Clives nether regions. Hilarious and something I haven't seen before that's for certain.

That synth riding through the premiere was one of the best most unexpected scores I've heard on television since....I can't even recall right now. So fucking good.

Cause if they do I will pay y'all in sketches / drawings mailed tp your door for your password

That first episode was so damn good.

Bono's daughter is playing Lucy, btw

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He would get him



That back room ...well basement doctor thing...I'm rooting for him. But I have dread for some reason
A combo of hrm black and women history I guess...the govt using black folk...shit a widely acclaimed gyno operated on black women sans anesthesia...I think in NY I gave to look this up he has a statue in Central Park* a woman is working to have taken down
Back Alley abortions Tuskegee
On the one hand I'm all take that woman in! On the other I'm like er.,.nevermind
And yay do it your damn self!!
Then damn this could go wrong so easily....




* okay that was J Marion Sims and during the previous century
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I loved seeing how all the characters (well not all) were living in their respective areas of 1900 NYC

I particularly loved the juxtaposition between the blonde lady that runs the hospital (Cornelia?) in New York downton abbey life to Dr Edwards in his awful situation waiting in line for the bathroom that spews brown water.

Dr Edwards at this point only two eps in is kinda the real protagonist of the show. I'm sure that'll change as obviously Clive is the star, but right now it doesn't really feel that way.

Ugh everything about this show is fucking addictive and masterfully executed.

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i like everything about this show.

I think there might have been something going on between black doctor and old girl who is engaged to get married...I don't remember names.

You saw how that nigga sat down right next to that white lady in the big house all bold and shit!

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made me decide whether I wanted to maybe pay the subscription to see it all, or else do the work of pirating it (I'm out of the loop on that stuff, not set up for it at the moment).

After I watched it, I poked around to see what people were saying. I couldn't find all that much. I was mainly interested in how people were describing it -- like how did they try to explain it. Seemed like a lot of focus on the doctor's drug use, the gore of the surgeries, when really I think it should just be explained as a "medical drama."

Is there really that much different between this an ER, except that it doesn't bullshit about how weird and unpleasant the medical field can be? Plots are built around patient struggles, all the extra details (drug use, gore) that get described are just the window dressing. As far as plot and motivation go, it's sick patient, cure sick patient, then subplots around it.

But it is that sort of stylization that makes it stand out, and I have no idea why I only heard about Clive Owen's drug use when when very compelling race themes seem to be a central component as well.

Already don't know how I'm going to watch this weekend, already unhappy about it. Original plan was to just get the whole season somehow when it was all done, but honestly it's so fucking good I'mma be upset when I know it's rolling on and I'm not in on the story.

oh and, pleased myself when I connected the dots to Typhoid Mary. Interesting how they're dramatizing it, but it feels like building towards a fictional Typhoid Mary might be the arc drawing to the finale of this season.

Why the heck was I surprised and just as anxious when Thackery was with Edwards mom

I mean I'm glad it wasn't appendicitis and he was right but yeah I have SO much doubt in their abilities lol

They done a fantastic job in convincing me of how haphazard it was back then...all those time travel books I've read...also watching outlander just yeesh


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only gripe is the eps are "short".

you get sunk into the storyline.

then look up and it's already 30 mins in.

then they wrap the show at like 46 mins.

I feel cheated, but "always leave them wanting more"

tried to tell my Ma to start watching it and she was like "what? week to week? why would I torture myself? I'll just wait til it's on netflix and binge watch" lol

great show tho.

aside from the depressing week a couple weeks ago when it wasnt on, we try and get home every friday night by 10 or 11 to watch this shit. thats how much we love it. fuck going out on friday nights, The Knick is on!

As someone below mentioned, the scene this week with Bertie being afraid to do the emergency c-section on the woman with Thack telling him "we got this!" and then immediately panning to the blood and them on the ground all defeated. Masterful.

Algernon is still the protagonist of this show and easily the most easily relatable for the audience. Thack is the guilty pleasure.

was Dr. Thackery getting high and walking into the surgery like "we got this, we gonna do this and that and SAVE THAT MOM AND BABY"

and the next scene is like blood all over the floor and all over his hands and he's just sitting their dazed.

Amazing.

for the meningitis patient when Gallinger blocked any attempt at Edwards trying to help and Gallinger just took the case over. he wouldn't let my dude even look at the man's chart for heavens sake. And now Gallinger's baby gets sick and all of a sudden it was Edward's patient.

right now he's loyal on GP. But Edwards' talent will not be denied. The man's going to keep that spot he was given. Gallinger can't think outside the box in the way that Thackery and Edwards do and it'll eventually show.
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i've only seen the first ep but, i really like the
direction although, the operating scenes make me
a bit queasy. will finish the rest over the weekend.

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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
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"Roll me further bitch"

>although, the operating scenes make me
a bit queasy.


during this show
i stay making that mistake
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this is my reward for sticking with those samcro idiots :/

so much wtf in every episode

the syph chick walking around with her arm sewed to her nose
the "enlightened" coke-addicted racist brilliant mad scientist
the travelling fetus-scraping nun
the tiny bar-brawling negro genius surgeon

and i guess anybody ever born by c section should thank two chinese hookers and a deflated basketball

this shit made me add cinemax to my plan

can't hardly wait for next week's shit storm when algernon takes his spot upstairs where he belongs



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However it's hard to watch at the parts that have to deal with pregnant women and babies.

I was hoping that Edwards would finally get to shine however I don't think it will be that easy for him still. I would have like to see him continue to help his own people but integrate patients. But I know that wouldn't happen.

Also you see how familiar him and Cordelia are together, we about to see some miscegenation soon.

plus cordelia tackling typhoid mary
dead robot baby
creepy father in law

>can't hardly wait for next week's shit storm when algernon
>takes his spot upstairs where he belongs
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cannot wait.

I see how murder happens
That would be the only way I'd feel safe

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I was like girl you better run!

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

the best.

I heard fellas are running trains on whores, and coppers are too busy to stop them.


Dude's eyes bulged as he thought of his jump off being in that mess. God...i laughed hard.

Wonderful episode though

that whole scene

i'm fine hermie but you have to go now
i'm almost done if you're next

lmao...poor hermie

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seemed a bit unbelievable to me how they did a complete 180 in
such a short period of time. they kinda explained away thackery's
reversal. curious to see how the next episodes will unfold. this
ep could be a turning point.

also the scene with edwards and cornelia was a bit ambiguous to me.
was that their first time hooking up? seemed like he was caught
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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

He leaned into it and they had a rhythm to it that was familiar.

i haven't fleshed out my thoughts thoroughly
but i got the feeling at least initially it was about protecting the hospital more than anything else

then they probably would have just kicked the Negroes out the back hid Edwards and locked them out and told the mob the mob they left. Hell the hospital got trashed anyway. They went the extra mile by having Gallinger and Sister Harriet take some of the victims to the monastery and for racist ass Cleary to drag his ambulance full of injured "dirty coons" all the way to the Negro infirmary and for Thackery to go all abolitionist. I mean I'm glad they all did it but it just seemed weird, maybe we'll get some kind of explanation for it next week.

There levels to bigotry

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I think he disliked Edwards not because of his skin tone, but because he came out of nowhere and was forced upon him. He, in turn, used everything "negative" about Edwards to be a jerk to him but he couldn't deny that Edwards was a great doctor. Thackery never had a problem treating black patients either, he just didn't want to do it in his hospital. He's obviously down with the swirl and had no issue going to help Edward's mom when she was hurt.

The ambulance driver? Don't see him as a bigot either...he actually cares more about himself than anyone else...he just thought it was messed up that these ppl were getting attacked for no reason.

As for the other doctor...he only went along because he felt he had to. He's no freedom fighter, he's just a lackey going along with Thackery to win more points in his eyes. That's it. He's still a bigot and a racist who felt slighted.

Other than those ppl...who are these "bigots"

I see your point about Thackery somewhat but he did seem to have a issue upfront with Edwards being Black when they first met. And up until last week didn't give him much professional respect. Other than Edwards mother I don't think we've seen him treat a Black patient. And he didn't know that was Edwards mother at first but he did know she was the beloved house maid of the the Knick's top investor and they are trying to get more funding for equipment. And I don't know if laying with Chinese prostitute is considered down with the swirl.

I guess I consider Cleary a bigot because of his utterance of "dirty coon" in the beginning of the episode. He didn't strike me at as the sort of guy who would risk his life for the good of the Negro.

Gallinger is really the outward bigot of the group I don't think he will ever change.

is fluid. like who/what is he? what motivates him? at times it
seems he wants to maintain the status quo and then other
times he wants to stand out....as it seems to his benefit
(opportunity). like the scene in the 'gallery' when gallinger
punched edwards. he jestered towards the audience, 'knee him next
time' or something to that effect. he seemed to like the fact
that he had a crowd and played to it. seems like one of those
quirky yet perhaps brilliant surgeon types who is trying to figure
out stuff in his own unique way. will be interesting to see how
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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

as for Clearly, he has issue with everyone. That's what I meant...he even got on the nun, so he don't mess with anyone too tough.

As for Thackery, I think Edwards being black was just another strike...like he was like oh hell no I don't want to do this, and he had an attitude about it THEN when he saw Edwards it was like "On top of this, he's black?!?...now I have to deal with this shit." because he already knew that Edwards being black would cause issues with his staff and patients.

I feel like if Thackery was really a bigot, even Edwards skills couldn't sway him to accept him and be cordial/friendly/etc...his attitude toward him was just about him not getting his way and Edwards being black just made it worst. But once he saw his skills, he was like YES.

That's part of his motivation as well.

Up to this point, we've got an idea that he's a bit more complicated than just the petty hate machine we were introduced to by way of his growing friendship with the nun. Sure, he may have his hangups about those darkies but if his backs against the wall and a bunch of assholes are fuckin with him and his main source of income? He's pullin' the fookin carriage.

folks brought up great points on both ends

in terms of the direction, technical aspects, the way they captured the violence and action was great. it felt like the viewer was inside of the chaos

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Amazing series so far, definitely the best show I'm watching that's currently on air.

As dgonsh references above, The Knick's strength lies in the director's accomplishments. Most episodes (besides the race riot one) don't have much action or excitement going on but Soderbergh & the score make the stakes seem so high. This show has hooked me by its execution rather than intricate or grandiose storylines that many other series rely on.

Also enjoying the discussion and excellent analysis going on in this thread. Thanks for putting me on to this show. I'm excited for the the rest of the season but anxious that I'll no longer be able to binge-watch.

especially considering that they went modern with minimal electronic sounds rather than something "of the time". it was a great move on the show's part

that scene had me on the floor...lol

so thackery is going through withdrawal...looks like he finds new high next ep
bertie's dad hates thack with the fire of a thousand suns
what's the deal with the jewish doc?
neely gettin' her groove back but what's gonna happen to algie when everyone finds out?
will nurse lucy go the olivia the slave route...lost and turned out?

i love this show

>that scene had me on the floor...lol
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hilarious line

>bertie's dad hates thack with the fire of a thousand suns

perfect description. daps

>what's the deal with the jewish doc?

the rise of the Jews / a jew has to be tied in, particularly for the time period.

>neely gettin' her groove back but what's gonna happen to algie
>when everyone finds out?

i hated that scene

>will nurse lucy go the olivia the slave route...lost and
>turned out?
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lol. you wildin'

>i love this show

yup
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and did the chinese opium den pimp actually give her ten spider bags AND a yard just to suck her toes?

sheeeit- we can do this every weekend - puffy

they're gonna be running around like gator and Vivian in a week, watch

and he didn't just suck her toes, i think he says something about her sitting on him while he sucks her toes...kind of like she would have sex with him too for it...which is why she was ashamed when Thackery asked her because everyone knows "suck your toes" is code for "let's have sex and i suck your toes."

But she loves the way it feels when he sexes her with cocaine on his penis. I gotta look that up to see what that does cuz man they are sprung on this show.

>and did the chinese opium den pimp actually give her ten
>spider bags AND a yard just to suck her toes?

Especially when someone's casually racist. His smile turns into the most disdainful meanmug and it's funny to me every time.

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that the wife ended up killing the other baby. I don't know why no one saw this coming. her grieving was deep and she was literally out of her mind before that baby came to the house. it was only a matter of time.

Waiting to see how Edwards and old girl work out this pregnancy thing...I didn't think he'd be able to do it but i'm guessing now the nurse will come through to help her...

pretty good episode, can't wait for the finale.

it's all bout the jonesing junkies and edwards and his boo at this point. still feel bad for Birdy though

Birdy about to hate hauexs for real and dip to the Jewish dudes practice

i'm so excited :D

timezizhard

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i don't pay the cable bill so we got alllll the channels
but when it's my turn to pay the bill? i'll be watching everything online :D

Show always makes me research stuff. Really crazy episode. Look forward to next season. Great show.

right before the episode aired

That was neat-o

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He can read left to right, not just up and down. He can also kill a crew of folks by his damn self. That scene was crazy.

I was surprised Thackery was bold enough to shoot up in front of Barrow. Did I miss something? Or did Thack just not give a damn anymore?

I want to feel bad for Everett, but...can't. I was hoping halfway hoping Algernon was gonna het him. I do feel for his wife though. No woman deserves to go through all of that. Dr. Cotton is a popular character this year. Two mentions on 2 different shows in one season

Fuck that racist asshole. But they pulled all her teeth out damn! Early Psychiatry was on some brutal shit.

but yeah, pulling out all her teeth seems ridiculously psychotic in its own right. Them yacubians were on one in early medicine

but yeah it was dope what Wu did, but it smacked of Orientalism #Said

Once the severe cocaine addiction and pregnancy storylines were introduced the show faltered a bit. I was so intrigued by Thackery and his breakthroughs that his dramatic downwards spiral seemed to happen too early in the show. It kind of reminded me of the later seasons of Mad Men in which Don stays losing, yet for the first season of the show I would have preferred to see Thack at his best. By the end it was hard to root for the selfish addict he had become instead of the eccentric, trend-setting doctor of the first couple of episodes. I was excited to see him in rehab, in hopes that he'll make a triumphant return in the new Knick next season, but it looks like that addiction story isn't going away.

Really impressive first season though and as has been said before the star of this show is Soderbergh. Owen is doing an amazing job as well and deserves at least an Emmy nomination. The whole cast is strong. I enjoyed the Cleary & Sister Harriet scenes the most out of the secondary storylines.

Next season is going to be good with a new hospital and if Barrow thought Bunky was bad wait til he gets a load of Mr. Wu (still waiting on him to say "COCKSUCKA"). Overall this season was a pleasant surprise but it has the potential to be even better next season.

they saved it with the finally though, they almost nosed dived this into bad melodrama within two episodes after 7 joints of greatness

These folks are a mess

And look like next season is going to be ramped up
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but at least they got rid of that gangster, who was by far the worst character on the show.

Enjoyed watching this show, and I'm definitely looking forward to another season.

Barrow got a worse problem

I knew it!

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The guy's editing skills are top fucking notch. Some of these scenes are masterclasses in building tension.

In terms of camerawork, what he lacks in polish he makes up for in overall scene design. Lot of smart choices in terms of how he designed scenes.

I personally thought the show got stronger as it went on. Some of the middle to late episodes were outstanding.

Acting was pretty much great across the board. The mobster character was whack, but that was about it.

Looking forward to next season.

i guess cause it was so slow to cook, there are spoilers all over this thread and convos pertaining to episodes all out of order

Sister Harriet and Cleary are great characters. The discussion at the grave site and their beer together have been two of my favorite scenes so far.

I don't like that they're making a romance bubble with Thackery and nurse Lucy, but Clive is playing the shit out of archetypal mad genius. The scene of him and Birdy wide-eyed after another failed attempt to save the mother and child, hands bloody and all the tools still in the belly was intense.

Soderberg is putting his foot into the visual composition of the show. I remember some one saying that they think this type of story telling (long form) fits Steven's type of directing, I couldn't agree more. If the last five episodes are this good, it's easily the best thing he's ever done.

and then their is Dr. Algernon Edwards. Possibly the most dynamic character on TV. All the indignities he suffers: small, big, aversive, overt, him beating muthafuckas asses, him running the hospital in the basement for Black and Brown, his relationship with Cornelia, etc, just a fantastic character. And Andre Holland, the actor, is playing the shit out it.

Herman and Inspector Jacob are scum. I like how Cornelia handled Jacob's after the house visit.

and LOFL @ Danny Hoch playing Bunky. It's over the top and his face has always been strange and punchable, but it works

and COT DAMN at the syphilis eating the nose of Thackery's ex. I immediately did my Googles. All that shit was real upto the operation!

i still can't believe they would operate without gloves and touch folk directly with all types of sickness.

as a period piece it works. as a piece on the evolution of science and medicine it works. as a piece of social and urban history it works. as a drama it works.

Can't wait to finish these next five.

also the scene of selling the X-Ray machine, down right ridiculous and comedic.

and the scene of Algernon's mom with Thack behind her with the belt was all types of strange and wrong.

His head is going to glow in the dark.

>also the scene of selling the X-Ray machine, down right
>ridiculous and comedic.

Thackery wild for the dime-piece Asian sex worker inspiration. Birdie is a cool little character. He gives the show something beyond what the other characters are doing

even in loss I can't stand Gallengers wife...

and Yikes as rapey creepLife soon-to-be father-in-law.

these are some really original characters:
-Black man who has to create an underground medic center to allow his gifts to flourish, while dealing with northern racism, and he also like to throw hands for the fuck of it (really to deal with the society he's in)
-Catholic nun who drinks and provides abortions
-Aristocratic daughter who leads a hospital, ain't afraid to get her hands dirty, stands up to men, yet will ultimately be forced into house-wifization
etc

so good, and yeah I'm'a kept talking to myself in here

the first 10min with Clive portraying Thackery falling into the depths of his addiction was masterful, everything was mediocre.

the exchange between nekid Algernon and Cordelia was cringe worthy, and for as much as this show has shaped some very nuanced and original characters out of fictive historical archetypes, the Orientalism found at the brothel in Chinatown and Mr. Wu is just bad.

I see they are building up Birdy to leave once he finds out Thackery is smashing Lucy, but it's so telegraphed I hope it unfolds differently.

as far I Gallenger and his wife go, I can't fux with them.

line of the episode though was PigFuck inspector yelling at the typhoid lady outside the courtroom.

Great mix of scifi-horror-period-melodrama. Seeing Soderbergh's effect on this and Fukunaga's on True Detective makes you wish for more single directors taking on unique tv.