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Topic subjectWhich one of y'all told me to watch 'Boondock Saints'!?!?!?!??
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664302, Which one of y'all told me to watch 'Boondock Saints'!?!?!?!??
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 11:56 AM

I want to have a SERIOUS discussion about the harm you
done did to my free time

Tarantino is a shitty ripoff director as it is, now y'all
are lauding Tarantino ripoffs...2nd degree shitty ripoffs

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664303, I've never understood the appeal of it myself.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sat Oct-19-13 12:38 PM
Granted, it's been a long time since I've seen it, but I had close friends that were obsessed that demanded I see it with them, and upon watching it I remember having to feign enthusiasm to avoid an unpleasant clash of opinions.
664306, It's a fun popcorn flick with cool characters...
Posted by wallysmith, Sat Oct-19-13 01:23 PM
not unlike a movie like Fast & Furious 6.

It also came out at a time when I was starting college and that movie made its rounds at raucous dorm and apartment parties with lots of alcohol.

I probably wouldn't disagree with any of the criticisms of the movie though as repeat viewings didn't have the same "magic" in a different environment. Anecdotally, I have found that the people who dislike it tended to watch it well after it released.

I still love it to death personally, but that may be because of its impact during a specific period in my life more than its merits as an actual movie.
664309, Weird, nobody said that about 'Man with the Iron Fist'
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 01:52 PM

Which was actually a really smart-dumb-fun movie,
exactly the type that should fit your description

Its kinda odd when we decide to suspend standard movie
critique approaches

Its okay for some movies to be meaningless

When 'Man with the Iron Fist' comes out, we examine it
like its the 'English Patient'

Yeah, I shall discuss this, sorry

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664311, Never saw Man with the Iron Fist...
Posted by wallysmith, Sat Oct-19-13 02:07 PM
...so I can't comment on that.

But it feels like you're trying to get a rise from me for defending the movie... *shrug*

Like Frank experienced, I was one of those people that tried to put other people on to Boondock Saints. Most of them were pretty lukewarm about it, if not outright hating it. And like I said, the movie definitely doesn't stand up to repeat viewings.

But whenever it comes up with people I watched it with (or watched it around the same time) it's always good feelings and lots of laughs. And I marked the fuck out when I was watching The Walking Dead and one of the McMurphy brothers walked onto the screen. And I still root for his character in large part because of his role in Boondock Saints (incidentally... "bundok" means mountains in Tagalog, and is where the word "boondocks" actually originated).


It's a bad movie... it really is. But that's not going to stop me from putting down the remote whenever it's on tv.

664315, Not shitting on you at all personally
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 02:17 PM

Lord knows I love some bad movies for silly reasons

But Boondock Saints had quite a big following, and I'm
sorta of confused and little annoyed

I just think its odd how we allow some movies to
be shitty, and not others

If RZA directs 'Boondock Saints' there's no cult
following, its just a "rapper who made a dumb movie"

And this isn't really about race

Its just about how hipsters just pick and choose the
types of movies that are to be cult favorites


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664320, Yeah, it is odd how BS sorta stands out in that "cult following" sense...
Posted by wallysmith, Sat Oct-19-13 02:32 PM
I wonder if it just released at the perfect time... I know that, for me at least, college was my first exposure to REAL internet (ie, non-dial up). Not just that it was getting distributed online, but this was when "word of mouth" was expanded through AOL Instant Messenger, Nokia cell phones and burned cd's.

So maybe young, impressionable minds with shitty taste in movies all watched it around the same time? lol

664328, Nah, I think you don't understand why it got that following in the first place.
Posted by CaptNish, Sat Oct-19-13 05:15 PM
It was sold on it's DVD release on the premise of "it was shelved because of Columbine." So it had this myth of "You gotta see this movie that was so hardcore, they couldn't release it," which turned in to word of mouth, and then well, you know the rest.

This happens all the time. It's like saying you love the B-side or the album cut more than a single. It's a hipster's wet dream.
664332, Cool, I'm still gonna discuss it, though
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 05:45 PM
>It was sold on it's DVD release on the premise of "it was
>shelved because of Columbine." So it had this myth of "You
>gotta see this movie that was so hardcore, they couldn't
>release it," which turned in to word of mouth, and then well,
>you know the rest.
>
>This happens all the time. It's like saying you love the
>B-side or the album cut more than a single. It's a hipster's
>wet dream.

None of this suggests I shouldn't stay focused

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664334, Aye, I ain't tryin' to stand in your way. lol
Posted by CaptNish, Sat Oct-19-13 06:00 PM
I'm just tryin' to help.
665515, ^ this.
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Mon Nov-04-13 10:29 PM
664821, yep
Posted by lfresh, Fri Oct-25-13 10:55 AM

>I still love it to death personally, but that may be because
>of its impact during a specific period in my life more than
>its merits as an actual movie.

i remember throroughly enjoyed it
would it bear under a more recent viewing?
probably not
but many movies dont
i already know RZA's movie wont

definitely not going back there

maybe with should call them chewing gum movies
lets not rechew that gum
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.
664822, RZA's movie was about 4,000 times better than this bullshit.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Oct-25-13 11:02 AM

In every conceivable way


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664868, in your opinion
Posted by lfresh, Fri Oct-25-13 04:17 PM
ok



in mine is was as much chewing gum as boondocks

not revisiting either
didn't see the sequel
and i'll have to see a trailer but i doubt i'd see a RZA sequel
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
664312, I like it, but only because they let Dafoe loose
Posted by CaptNish, Sat Oct-19-13 02:07 PM
Rocco was aight too, but Willam makes some insane fucking choices as an actor, and there's no way Troy Duffy gave him that direction.

If you thought that was bad, try to watch part 2. I made it about 10 mins before shutting it off.
664316, So you like it because William Dafoe was on coke and acting stupid.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 02:18 PM

That's a new one

Jesus Christ

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664321, Yes.
Posted by CaptNish, Sat Oct-19-13 02:33 PM
It's fucking hilarious.
664322, I was about to say that about part 2
Posted by BigWorm, Sat Oct-19-13 03:05 PM
I thought the first one was enjoyable when I saw it over a decade ago.

I saw the second at the theater and it's one of the few movies I can recall walking out of. Not even 30 minutes in and I couldn't take it.

Then I re-watched the first one a couple years ago and was surprised at how bad it was.

O_E, we don't agree on very much, but you're on point here. It's not a good movie. Bad acting, mostly bad script.

I think the vigilante premise, Willem Dafoe to at least somewhat take away from the rest of the bad acting, and a few amusing lines is all this movie had going for it. All of that plus Ron Jeremy for campiness is probably why it won a cult following.
664325, Oh it's not a good movie
Posted by CaptNish, Sat Oct-19-13 03:35 PM
>O_E, we don't agree on very much, but you're on point here.
>It's not a good movie. Bad acting, mostly bad script.

But like you said, and I was leaning on up top... Dafoe and a few funny lines throughout made it fun to watch. But it is not good. And really doesn't hold up.
664326, I have NEVER understood the love for this piece of shit.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Oct-19-13 04:10 PM
It's horrendous.
664393, Co-sign...cousin made me watch it and I had heard all these good things
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Oct-20-13 10:17 PM
I sat through it and kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to hurt his feelings...it was terrible.
664327, Never seen it. But the documentary about it getting made is really good
Posted by mrhood75, Sat Oct-19-13 05:07 PM
Shows what an unbelievable asshole the director/writer is or at least was.
664337, This is what I'm talking about -- why the fuck is there a documentary?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 07:12 PM
>Shows what an unbelievable asshole the director/writer is or
>at least was.



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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664354, His friends started shooting one after he got the deal
Posted by mrhood75, Sun Oct-20-13 01:56 AM
At the beginning it sounded like a classic success story: Troy Duffy, the writer/director was from Boston and working as a bartender in L.A. Somehow Harvey Weinstein gets the script and loves it. He buys it from Duffy for like $300,000, signs him on as the director and gives him a $15 million budget to make the movie. Then he gets Duffy's band a record deal for his band, who will do the soundtrack for the film. Weinstein even buys the bar where Duffy works and says that they're going to run it together. So Duffy gets a couple of other aspiring film maker friends of his from Boston to come out and document what he figures will be his ascent to greatness. That's all the prologue.

What his friends soon discover that if you give an asshole a lot of money, what you get is an asshole with a lot of money. And everything turns to shit. Duffy pisses everyone off and burns every bridge in nearly record time. It's like watching a car crash, except you want the driver to die horribly.

It's not spectacular film making, but it's engrossing. 'Cause, hey, sometimes it's nice to watch an unrepentant asshole get everything he deserves. I only felt bad that he dragged his friends and even his family down with him.

So yeah, I have no interest in ever seeing Bondock Saints. But I like watching assholes get theirs.
664360, The doc is pretty hysterical
Posted by mrshow, Sun Oct-20-13 04:22 AM
That guy made being delusional an art.
664372, It's actually the only redeeming quality that's come from that movie.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Oct-20-13 12:47 PM
You should check it out.
664384, it's a great doc -- reveals so much re: Boondock Saints
Posted by celery77, Sun Oct-20-13 07:44 PM
Boondock Saints is little more than an extended angry white male's violent fantasy of righteous retribution against a world that doesn't serve him any longer, and the doc shows clearly why that seed is in the film.

a quote I wrote down from the first time I watched the film:

Maniac Troy to God-Knows-Who on the Telephone: "And the way I think about it is, if I'm a fucking record company, I'm dealing with guys that live out of fucking garages that try and bang strippers to get fucking cheese sandwiches."

uh huh, Troy...
664387, It's far more entertaining than the movie
Posted by Marauder21, Sun Oct-20-13 08:18 PM
Between the craziness of the deal he got and watching him happily piss it all away . . . it's great.
664388, yep Overnight
Posted by charlie bucket, Sun Oct-20-13 08:21 PM
http://images.moviepostershop.com/overnight-movie-poster-2003-1020410119.jpg
it was on netflix because thats where i saw it but its not up there anymore. its worth watching

664839, I was thinking about that doc while reading this post.
Posted by The Wordsmith, Fri Oct-25-13 12:29 PM
Talk about a real crash and burn. Dude seriously shot himself in the foot with his attitude.



Since 1976
664329, admittedly it's been helped by overhype from bostonians
Posted by pretentious username, Sat Oct-19-13 05:17 PM
i hate it, but i have trouble convincing most of my friends it's bad. i think i'll start calling this "the aerosmith syndrome".
664331, I could live with that explanation
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 05:44 PM
>i hate it, but i have trouble convincing most of my friends
>it's bad. i think i'll start calling this "the aerosmith
>syndrome".

No problem with homerism

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664333, Irish people in general, really.
Posted by CaptNish, Sat Oct-19-13 05:59 PM
Of all of the people I know that rock that movie like it's a great film, every single one are the same people who play Dropkick Murphys non stop and sport Irish Pride. At least that's my experience.
664365, That's been my experience too
Posted by simpsycho, Sun Oct-20-13 09:15 AM
I had a roommate in college, Micheal McSweeney, dude was a couple generations removed from Ireland. He drank nothing but Irish beers, had the biggest Irish flag I've ever seen hanging on his bedroom wall and would bring up Boondock Saints every single time he talked about movies. Looking back, he was kind of a douche.

He was a hell of a lot of fun to drink with though.
664386, that too
Posted by pretentious username, Sun Oct-20-13 07:59 PM
correct me if i'm wrong, but there weren't too many movies with irish people acting badass before that. in that case it didn't really matter how good it was, it was gonna catch on with boston/irish people regardless.
664435, State of Grace before it, Departed after it for example
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Oct-21-13 04:16 PM
>correct me if i'm wrong, but there weren't too many movies
>with irish people acting badass before that. in that case it
>didn't really matter how good it was, it was gonna catch on
>with boston/irish people regardless.
664504, State of Grace sons the shit outta Boondocks Saints
Posted by jigga, Tue Oct-22-13 10:07 AM
Besides the ceiling shootout scene BS is just that
665498, can't even remember Boondock Saints really, State of Grace was good tho
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Nov-04-13 04:54 PM
664378, LOL, perfect
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-20-13 04:37 PM
>i hate it, but i have trouble convincing most of my friends
>it's bad. i think i'll start calling this "the aerosmith
>syndrome".
664335, loved it
Posted by sndesai1, Sat Oct-19-13 06:41 PM
loved man with the iron fists too tho

so apparently i just got shitty taste lol
664336, Man with the Iron Fist wasn't shitty
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Oct-19-13 06:52 PM
>loved man with the iron fists too tho
>
>so apparently i just got shitty taste lol

But do you son
664358, I can't imagine how shitty Boondock Saints must be if...
Posted by mrshow, Sun Oct-20-13 04:09 AM
it makes The Man with The Iron Fists look good.



664385, O_E's not lying -- Iron Fists is a masterpiece next to Boondock Saints
Posted by celery77, Sun Oct-20-13 07:45 PM
664438, I was very disappointed by Iron Fists, but trust...
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Oct-21-13 04:20 PM
... it's a lot better than Boondocks Saints.
664496, Watch MWTIF again; IT should have the cult following
Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Oct-22-13 09:10 AM
>... it's a lot better than Boondocks Saints.

And should have gained legions of young fans who like
"silly fun."

Its actually well-written, actually has a story,
pays proper homage to the genre while introducing new
elements, has fantastic music and a badass cast

Next to Wreck It Ralph its the most fun I've had watching
a movie in the last year

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
664503, Maybe that's the issue...
Posted by wallysmith, Tue Oct-22-13 09:59 AM
> And should have gained legions of young fans who like
"silly fun."

You're trying to apply the same prism surrounding BS to MWTIF, while no longer being a "young fan". The entertainment options nowadays are MUCH more varied than they were back when BS came out, and it might be assuming too much that pseudo-hipster types are watching movies (or same types of movies) at the same rate as back then.

In other words, the disparity you're trying to expose is probably due to a generational shift more than anything actually movie related.

To illustrate this, I would venture that if you posed a question like "why isn't Boondock Saints as revered as 80's cult classic _______?", then a greater % of respondents (of their generation) would have watched the 80's cult classic than of the generation that watched BS (or replace BS with any late 90's/early 00's "cult classic" that you deem actually worthy).

Cursory 80's cult classic list: http://www.imdb.com/list/rM0ZioFrftU/
664750, If I fetishized asian women like you do....
Posted by mrshow, Thu Oct-24-13 04:40 PM
Im sure Man with the Iron Fist would be incredible.
664773, Yeah, movie should have featured hairy French women
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Oct-24-13 09:18 PM

Even thought it was a Kung-Fu film set in feudal China

And strangely, it featured one of hollywood's strongest Asian
women (who is outspoken about Asian fetishization), who took the
role almost surely because the film turned the docile Asian
woman stereotype on its head with a fun, little twist in the
story.



664844, Lulz. You're just reading from the press materials
Posted by mrshow, Fri Oct-25-13 01:33 PM
Just own your fetish. No reason to pretend the movie doesn't suck.
664499, I think that I was the one, because I love Wilhelm Dafae's character in this
Posted by Castro, Tue Oct-22-13 09:32 AM
It was like he arrived on set and decided that this, THIS would be the day he made a 'B' movie.

And damn if he didnt do it.
665513, it made sense to like it when i was 18.
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Mon Nov-04-13 10:20 PM
like ppl above me said, it was awesome when i
watched it in college.

i saw it a few years ago and asked myself
what was so special about it.
i don't know, but i still like it.

probably mostly because of nostalgia.
but i'm okay with that.