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'The Avengers: Age of Ultron' Revealed As 'Avengers 2' Title At Comic-Con

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Marvel revealed the full title for the sequel to "The Avengers" at Comic-Con on Saturday. Director Joss Whedon popped by the star-studded presentation to announce that "The Avengers: Age of Ultron" would be the name of the second superhero ensemble film.

A teaser for the movie featuring glimpses at each Avenger's character logo debuted as well, wrapping up Marvel's presentation.

Ultron, the villain in the upcoming movie, first appeared in the late '60s. The character, written by Roy Thomas and illustrated by John Buscema, appears to be something of a star in the fanboy world and elicited strong reactions in Comic-Con's infamous Hall H:

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So the big announcement ... Avengers 2 has a title: Avengers: Age of Ultron. Guy behind me hit me as he screamed "ULTRON MOTHERFUCKER!"
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Ultron was revived for a short 10-comic run, fittingly titled "Age of Ultron," which as released in March. Famed comics writer Brian Michael Bendis wrote the storyline. TheWrap notes that following the more recent Ultron storyline could mean the sequel charts a much darker path than the first (because apparently ruining most of a major city isn't gloomy enough).

"Age of Ultron" is set for a May 1, 2015 debut. The Marvel panel also featured appearances by the likes of Tom Hiddleston (in character as Loki), a "Thor: The Dark World" trailer and appearances from Marvel stars like "Captain America" lead Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson, Samuel L. Jackson, Anthony Mackie, Cobie Smulders, Zoe Saldana, Benicio del Toro, Chris Pratt and more.

Right?

This from his fb page.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151804835863313&set=a.101465923312.101581.89562268312&type=1

I just don't see Vin as Hank Pym at all. Vision I could see more, but still no, doesn't make sense.

And Vin did say a big announcement was coming soon.

"I halfway hope people put "btw, rappers lie and shit" on CD covers, like a parental advisory sticker." - OKP Villain

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God. I hope this film slays the box office and does huge numbers. For comics' sake.
This industry is fucking baking and going hard right now.
I attribute this to Marvel Studios' success.
Ultron, can be real lame though.
Please make this work. Fuck.

or is he gonna be used in another film

I have not heard any casting news though, regarding a role.

Perhaps still peeking into a few of the new films, influencing, causing trouble, etc (he'll def be in Guardians, and since there seems to be a bridge between Guardians and Thor 2, I'd be surprised if there's no cameo there), but not currently looking like the primary villain anywhere this phase.

year.

I guess it won't be based off the comic, since I doubt they get clearance to use Sue Storm and Wolverine.

We don't have to have him. It works very simply � this is Marvel cinema, not Marvel comics. One thing Kevin Feige has a genius for is knowing what to hold onto and what to let go of. You can invoke the feeling you had and play with the characters you love and remain true to the needs of the film.

It'll likely be a far more straight-forward Ultron vs. Avengers story, and since they hinted that Pym won't be involved (though it could be a misdirect), BA Digest had a piece hypothesizing since Avengers 2 is likely to want to be Tony Stark centered, they may change Ultron's origin to have Tony be his creator.

Do we know who Benincio Del Toro is playing?

>Do we know who Benincio Del Toro is playing?

The Collector. Announced at SDCC, if it hadn't been officially.

http://marvel.com/news/story/21099/exclusive_avengers_age_of_ultron_casts_james_spader_as_the_films_legendary_villain


EXCLUSIVE: 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' Casts James Spader as the Film's Legendary Villain
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' Casts James Spader as the Film's Legendary Villain
The Emmy� Award-winning actor set to play Ultron in the 2015 blockbuster!
Posted Aug 29, 2013 9:29 am
Updated Aug 29, 2013 10:25 am

James Spader will face off against Earth�s Mightiest Heroes as the villain in Marvel�s "Avengers: Age of Ultron," the sequel to 2012�s record-breaking "Marvel�s The Avengers." The Emmy Award-winning actor will play Ultron in the Avengers� much anticipated return to the big screen from writer/director Joss Whedon. The film comes to theaters on May 1, 2015.

Spader earned three Emmy Awards for his role as Alan Shore on "Boston Legal" and "The Practice," and will return to television this fall in NBC�s highly anticipated series "The Blacklist." Most recently Spader was seen in the critically-acclaimed film "Lincoln" directed by Steven Spielberg and has previously worked with a long list of accomplished film directors including David Cronenberg, Curtis Hansen, Sidney Lumet, Mike Nichols, Tim Robbins, Robert Rodriguez, Steven Soderbergh, and Oliver Stone. David Mamet also directed Spader in the Broadway play Race.

"Avengers: Age of Ultron" will bring the Marvel Universe�s biggest heroes together again to face one of their biggest villains, with "Marvel�s The Avengers" director Joss Whedon returning to write and direct the sequel. "Marvel�s The Avengers" was released in 2012 and went on to earn $1.5 billion worldwide, making it the third-largest grossing movie of all time.

Spader is represented by ICM Partners and his lawyer Melanie Cook at Ziffren Brittenham.

More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/news/story/21099/exclusive_avengers_age_of_ultron_casts_james_spader_as_the_films_legendary_villain#ixzz2dN3EG3mx

I feel like SO much of his performance is body language facial expressions. He's great at those little twitches, signals, etc. I'm not sure how that translates over into voice work. He has a great voice, I'm just not sure how much or how well his talents will translate.

...that they're doing Ultron so they can introduce the Vision. Maybe they go that route with a more humanoid face for Ultron.

Maniacal but with hints of perhaps tragedy underneath it all? Yeah, Spader is PERFECT for that.

DC must feel like assholes

was DC courting James Spader?

referring to how they consistently make consistently great decisions that get people excited while DC....

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And Jaime Gertz as Wasp?

Would work PERFECTLY.

don't mind Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch.

V.

Ultron, Sentinels, you name it.

still would be a horrible decision. title sucks.

After hitting us with that ending to Avengers....

I think it's clear that they just threw that shit in there to excite the geeks, and didn't really have anywhere to go with it.

I mean Iron Man 3 kind of proved that they didn't have a set game plan after Avengers other than to keep making sequels as quickly as possible.

Someone probably tried to come up with an Infinity Gauntlet story for Avengers 2 and it was really shitty.

Whatever. I guess I'm still going to go see it. Opening night.

>I think it's clear that they just threw that shit in there to
>excite the geeks, and didn't really have anywhere to go with
>it.

Which makes sense, because once you do Thanos, where else can you really go that's bigger?

Though for this second one, using that course, as awesome as Ultron can be, I would've rather they did Kang, but I understand why they didn't.

He's almost certainly involved in Guardians and/or Avengers 2, he's just not primary villain.

Which makes sense to leave him as puppet master til the last possible second... I mean, since they don't have Galactus, how could they "top" Thanos for Avengers 3?

I'm just bullshitting. But you're right and it's kinda obvious with all the news that has come out and what the studios have been saying. You reveal the big bad at the end

>I think it's clear that they just threw that shit in there to
>excite the geeks, and didn't really have anywhere to go with
>it.

You think wrong. Why blow their wad with Thanks for pt 2 when you KNOW a part 3 is going to happen? He'll be in Guardians of the Galaxy and word is he'll be the Big Bad in The Avengers. It's better to set him up over multiple movies than to simply throw him in the second one.

>I mean Iron Man 3 kind of proved that they didn't have a set
>game plan after Avengers other than to keep making sequels as
>quickly as possible.

LOL. No. They actually have a well established, well reported game plan and Thor 2/Cap 2 are major setup films. You just kinda don't know what you're talking about.

http://screencrush.com/the-avengers-2-thomas-kretschmann-villain-baron-von-strucker/


�The Avengers 2′ Casts �Dracula� Star as Villain Baron von Strucker
by Nick Romano January 15, 2014 12:33 PM
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As Marvel recently announced a new casting addition to its upcoming �Ant-Man,� �The Avengers 2� keeps on growing, as well! While Ultron will be the main villain in the coming Joss Whedon-helmed sequel (officially titled �The Avengers: Age of Ultron), a more secret villain will be introduced, and Marvel has found the man for the job.

Awhile back, it was revealed that comic book villain Baron von Strucker would be making an appearance in �The Avengers 2.� Now, according to The Hollywood Reporter, Thomas Kretschmann, known for playing Abraham van Helsing on NBC�s �Dracula,� has been cast in the role.

While this addition hasn�t been officially confirmed by Marvel, sources tell THR (as confirmed by The Wrap) that the actor will indeed be portraying Strucker, who is a genetically enhanced soldier and Nazi leader of the villainous group H.Y.D.R.A., first introduced into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in the first �Captain America.� His character is described as an expert swordsman and marksman, and one who has discovered a way to prolong his life.

**Spoilers** As previously reported, Strucker is said to be involved in the beginning of the film fighting against The Avengers, and does not have a major ongoing role to play in �The Avengers 2.� It�s believed, however, that he will be responsible for bringing in the two new additions, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, to the storyline. **End Spoilers**

Aside from Kretschmann, James Spader will be voicing the sentient being Ultron in �The Avengers 2,� while �Godzilla� co-stars Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen tackle sibling supes Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. The film is set for release on May 1, 2015.


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Paul Bettany to play The Vision in Marvel�s �Avengers: Age of Ultron'
FEBRUARY 6, 2014 | 06:08PM PT
Production starts next month

Justin Kroll
Film Reporter

It looks like Paul Bettany, best known in the Marvel world for voicing Jarvis, Tony Stark�s helpful A.I. system, will be playing the Vision in Marvel�s �The Avengers: Age of Ultron.�

Production starts next month with Joss Whedon returning as director and most of the cast including Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans returning as well. The Vision was an android created by the robotic villain Ultron, who was meant to be one of Ultron�s henchmen but who instead turns against him and becomes a hero.

Kevin Feige will produce.

Bettany is repped by UTA and Affirmative Entertainment and can be seen next in Alcon�s �Transcendence.� The Daily Mail first broke the news.

...Jarvis is modded to Vision to help combat Ultron.

Could make some voice modifications in post production. Who knows.

I wonder if he will be all white or multi-colored?

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Im psyched.

...i think...
i want to ...but i have this thing...this thing where i try to avoid looking at trailers PRIOR to movies...i kinda like to go in completely blind with no expectations...then AFTER i see the movie itself, i go back and watch all of the trailers...

but Whedon...the Avengers...friggin Ultron??

damn...this is gonna be hard....

april 2015 is a loooong ass ways away...

and the trailers play?

No snark, just curious.

>and the trailers play?
>
>No snark, just curious.

if the trailer is for a movie that i'm planning to see then i literally just close my eyes, put my fingers in my ears and quietly mumble to myself.

to be clear, i'm really only this way with superhero, sci-fi, horror, fantasy/adventure stuff...
comedy flicks and drama trailers i dont mind seeing in advance...

believe it or not i managed to avoid seeing Avengers 1 trailer before going to see the movie in the theater. Seeing that movie in the theater that first time without having seen anything in the trailers made that INITIAL movie viewing an EXTRA awesome ...i feel like going in totally blind with NO expectations maximized that first viewing experience for me.

after seeing the movie the first time of course THEN i went back and watched the trailers, and after seeing THEM i was SO glad that i avoided the trailers beforehand. there were several 'super WOW' moments that i had in the theater that would have been lessened had i seen the trailers before.....i wanna MAXIMIZE my geeked-out-experience i get in the theater as much as possible and not knowing what to expect to see kinda helps me do that...

so yeah...i admit it, i've got issues...but there's actually some reasoning behind it too :)

Since 1976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do

Dammit, Hydra.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do

Or at least, it doesn't do a lot of the shit you completely loathe. It's foreboding and intense, but it doesn't tell you much of anything.

There's one mild spoiler I suppose but it's something that we've all expected to happen since at least IM3. All in all I'd say you'd give it a thumbs up as far as trailer go.

>Or at least, it doesn't do a lot of the shit you completely
>loathe. It's foreboding and intense, but it doesn't tell you
>much of anything.
>
>There's one mild spoiler I suppose but it's something that
>we've all expected to happen since at least IM3. All in all
>I'd say you'd give it a thumbs up as far as trailer go.


Then again, that may have been a later trailer, but in any event, I'll probably be tapping out soon anyway. I kept myself in the Dark for Winter Soldier, it served me well.

I never pictured the Hulkbuster working that way, but it was fucking awesome.

all hail Teh Whedon.

V.

i need to watch this again after i've calmed down. loved it!

which would mean we gotta get at least a BP name drop, if not a cameo. I mean Wakanda was shown on a map in Iron Man 2, so obviously it will come up in the cinematic universe at some point.

I saw this rumor as well.

Also, rumor has it, that he is somehow involved in Ultron obtaining the Vibranium to complete his upgrade in the film.

This is in line with Ultron being made of Vibranium instead of Adamantium in the film, due to licensing with Fox not allowing Adamantium to be used in the MCU.

You figure there HAS to be a name-drop, easter-egg or post-credit of our boy (Panther) in this movie. I would totally be satisfied with that, meaning that the movie would be in the works at some point in the near future.

I don't think that's exclusive to the X-properties. If Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are shared, I have to imagine adamantium is too.

>I don't think that's exclusive to the X-properties. If
>Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are shared, I have to imagine
>adamantium is too.
>

This is just a rumor I read a while ago stipulating what can and can't be used in the MCU due to licensing... Since there has been NO mention of the the stuff thus far, that seems to confirm what I read.

What other weapons/elements are made of Adamantium in the Marvel Universe beyond the obvious examples of Wolverine's claws (obviously) and Ultron? I'm drawing a blank right now on other objects made from the stuff. And if Ultron is NOT made from it, then I think that pretty much confirms it...

If they can use adamantium, then it would make sense that Ultron could be break Cap's shield like at the end of the trailer. But I believe vibranium-on-vibranium would also do the same thing.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=124397

Following this week's big debut of the trailer for Joss Whedon's much-anticipated Avengers: Age of Ultron (also posted in the player below), Marvel Studios has revealed that the upcoming "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." episode will offer even more footage from the May 1, 2015 release! Then, on Tuesday, November 4, ABC will air the special "Marvel 75 Years: From Pulp to Pop!" and offer even more Avengers: Age of Ultron goodness. Look for both to air on ABC at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT on October 28 and November 4, respectively.

When Tony Stark tries to jumpstart a dormant peacekeeping program, things go awry and Earth's Mightiest Heroes, including Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, The Incredible Hulk, Black Widow and Hawkeye, are put to the ultimate test as the fate of the planet hangs in the balance. As the villainous Ultron emerges, it is up to The Avengers to stop him from enacting his terrible plans, and soon uneasy alliances and unexpected action pave the way for an epic and unique global adventure.

Marvel's Avengers: Age of Ultron stars Robert Downey Jr., who returns as Iron Man, along with Chris Evans as Captain America, Chris Hemsworth as Thor and Mark Ruffalo as The Hulk. Together with Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow and Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye, and with the additional support of Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury and Cobie Smulders as Agent Maria Hill, the team must reassemble to defeat James Spader as Ultron, a terrifying technological villain hell bent on human extinction. Along the way, they confront two mysterious and powerful newcomers, Wanda Maximoff, played by Elizabeth Olsen, and Pietro Maximoff, played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson, and meet an old friend in a new form when Paul Bettany becomes Vision.

Read more: More Avengers: Age of Ultron Footage to Air During Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.! - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=124397#ixzz3H5ovrM00
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RDJ and Don Cheadle had me dyin trying to pick up Mjolnir.

Idris Elba interview: Marvel movies are 'torture'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/11195704/Idris-Elba-interview-Marvel-movies-are-torture.html

“I’m in Avengers,” he reveals. He means that his Thor character, deity-cum-sentry Heimdall, appears in Age of Ultron, the second instalment of the superhero ensemble franchise. “And I’m doing a scene with Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston , and they’re like, – ‘Aren’t you in Ibiza?’ ” That bassy chuckle again, followed by a frown. Elba came straight to Ibiza party-time from a mythical Norse god/Marvel universe that has made billions at the global box office. His head is all over the place. “That’s why I was p----- about my set yesterday. I really just wasn’t there. I was annoyed.”

don't end up like terrence howard out here

AVENGERS 2: AGE OF ULTRON - Official Extended Trailer #2 (2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk24PuBUUkQ

http://youtu.be/MZoO8QVMxkk

500 to 1? 1000 to 1? Smaller?

Well played sir, well played. I feel that with comic book movies, the trailers just give you the pieces to get you hyped without going overboard, whereas a horror film (red band trailer, that is) can give you too much too early.

Dora Milaje?

Can't wait. We still haven't even seen the Vision yet.

The sister and Andy Serkis's character both seem to connect to BP.

My question is how do these movies get bigger in terms of destruction & scale? Also after this, Civil War makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUoeqvedMo

This is going to be really fucking hard to do.

Going in cold turkey to this movie could render it the best thing you ever see.

I'm watching the shit out of these trailers, because obviously, but I sincerely admire you for this. It's like I'm psyched for a friend getting in shape, but I'm still going to eat pizza for dinner four times a week.

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Man there is some wild, wild shit in those trailers though.

But I appreciate you not watching any of it and coming in fresh so you can give a unbiased review.

I haven't seen anything yet on this one and I'm gonna try and keep it that way until showtime.

can not wait.

That shit is coming out like, next week.

I watch these trailers multiple times when they get dropped

in terms of a trailer or teaser right?

At best there'll be a teaser in the summer or something.

Loki's cool, but Ultron bout to give these niccas that work.

I know this is pushing it, in terms of seeing too much stuff, but I couldn't help it.

Besides, the movies close to three hours long so there's a bunch of stuff left to be surprised by...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WM915QsOyI

...

my thoughts,

peace.

I do want to see some Falcon, War Machine, and Vision though, c'mon Marvel.

That they don't use him more?

That's what I'd like to see, is more of he and War Machine, wouldn't or shouldn't they be included on The Avengers by now?

I'm only gonna say a few things as I have a feeling Disney is watching everything and I don't wanna get sold into slavery.

- Ultron is a near perfect bad guy. His motovations to destroy mankind made a lot of sense. And James Spader's snark is there.

-The Hulk owned the first movie. This movie is owned by Hawkeye (surprise!). Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver get a lot of cool moments. Black Widow has some surprises as well.

- It's a darker movie from the first and a different movie from the first. We don't have the awkward set up of the first half of the previous film since they're already assembled. The films gets in and keeps going till credits. But the film has the trademark Joss Whedon humor in spades.

- This sets up Civil War and Thor 3.

- The 3D is pretty good.

- If you have to see one movie this summer it's still Mad Max: Fury Road. Even though this is dope as fuck.

I'll take no questions. Disney has spies everywhere. I'll post more the week of release.

if that much better than first, can you say best Marvel yet? Guardians good?

maybe you can't say. Im seeing opening weekend regardless

But Daredevil is still the best thing Marvel has done.

have not watched it yet.

well worth it

I will most definitely be watching on opening night.

>I will most definitely be watching on opening night.

>the film has
>the trademark Joss Whedon humor in spades.

>
>>the film has
>>the trademark Joss Whedon humor in spades.
>

Seriously though, if anyone knows how to play with dark tension and comedy (without going into Fight Club territory) he's it.

In Whedon I trust.

I don't like my comic book movies being action comedies. Unless you're Spider-Man or Deadpool or Wally West or someone who's actually meant to be comedic. I don't need to see Thor cracking wise or have a flower pot fall on Hulk's head.

I'm sure I'll like it if the story's good, though. In fact, I hope there's a story this time.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

It has a basic premise and the thing just moves.

I don't think any action film this year is gonna top it.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=118778

War Machine in action.

goin the mornin of May 2nd. best believe i'll be lifted off that bruce banner. can't fucking wait

This movie was still enjoyable, but wasn't giving me the same buzz as other Marvel properties. I might have enjoyed the second Cap movie more too.

Just personal taste.

I called it on the Scepter back in the first Avengers movie and how it plays into the Marvel universe overall.

Speaking of, where is Selah? He was awfully sure I was wrong.

*SPOILER*


Man it would've been amazing if they got Falcon in on the final act as well, when Fury showed up with Rhodey.

But the ending made me happy enough as a substitute.

I would rank it just above the first avengers film just because Ultron was such a great villain. Cap2 is still my favourite marvel movie. Also the first explicit references to Wakanda! I hope the ullysses Klaw character is a part of Black Panther.

I might have to check this when the hype dies, and definitely when it comes out on blu-ray, when kids aren't sitting behind me asking "What's that?" every 2 seconds.

It was cool. I didn't like how they did a certain character. Kind of a wasted opportunity IMO

Yeah, if you mean ol' whathisnuts, even in separate comic titles, I've never not seen them mentioned as a packaged deal.

I've always felt that Avengers 1 was overrated, once you get past the novelty of all these characters on screen at the same time, it was pretty average. It looked even worse in hindsight once Cap:WS and GotG came out.

This did not disappoint. This is the way the Avengers should be done.

...i want to see this again, yes partly to soak in the spectacle (because there was plenty of that to go round....non stop GO in this one ya'll!), but also partly because i want to make sure i get to rehear some of the dialogue and banter (or catch some of it that i may have missed first go round due to laughter)...

this was big-ass-fun folks...

in my mind, its a HERCULEAN task to try to cram even MORE super-folk and villinans into one movie than the first Avengers flick, and not come out of it with a total hodgepodge of a mess...but somehow Joss was able to put it all together and come out with a movie that WASNT super convoluted and that was ultimately super duper entertaining and pretty easy to digest...

big ass fun for sure....

Loved that they finally got around to Hawkeye's backstory. Vision and Ultron were both tremendous. Not sure it's better than the first, but the action barely ever lets up.

I want to digest it a little more before claiming where it stands amongst the others.

Awesome seeing new Avengers joining in on the fun, can't wait to see what they do with even better characters, i.e. Black Panther and Spider-Man.

Some incredible action pieces, though. I liked the way they made Ultron so damn personable, too.

*QUESTION (CONTAINS SPOILER)*
So which Infinity Gems have appeared so far? Thor said four, and that's what I counted (Loki's, the aether, the mind gem and whichever one they had in GotG,) but as far as I can tell Thor wouldn't have any idea about the one from GotG. Is there another one I'm missing?

>So which Infinity Gems have appeared so far? Thor said four,
>and that's what I counted (Loki's, the aether, the mind gem
>and whichever one they had in GotG,) but as far as I can tell
>Thor wouldn't have any idea about the one from GotG. Is there
>another one I'm missing?

Loki's scepter held the Mind stone. So those two are the same. You're missing the Tesseract (Space stone).

I conflated Loki's scepter and the Tesseract.

Still, would Thor know anything that happened in GotG? It didn't really happen in the same corner of the universe.

>Still, would Thor know anything that happened in GotG? It
>didn't really happen in the same corner of the universe.

The Aether was taken to the Collector. And he knows. So they know the universe. So they probably have contact with the Nova Corps.

So I guess it's not a stretch for Thor to have found out about it.

so that means that in the first film Loki unwittingly had TWO infinity gems in his possession between the scepter and tesseract and still got beat?

That also makes me see the scene where they use the scepter to strike the tesseract and break the portal to space in a different light.

.

Just in the interest of contributing something else to the post, since my praises will likely be the same as everyone else's.

1. The Thor water-of-spirits stuff. Clearly there were scenes cut here, because this led absolutely nowhere and ended up not even being an efficient set-up to Thor 3. It just... existed. Didn't take away from the whole, but compared to what everyone else saw, it had less than zero impact.

2. Aaron Taylor-Johnson still sucks. Even though the twins weren't really given a ton to work with, Scarlet Witch at least feels like flesh and blood (though she is given more to do, since, y'know, they care more about her going forward). Quicksilver is a non-entity, especially compared to how Quicksilver was absolutely the highlight of DOFP-- though Quicksilver is probably still better here, since they, y'know, USE him for the whole film instead of just for one cool scene and then bench him on the sideline. Then again, that's to Whedon's credit, not to ATJ's credit. He brings basically nothing to a relatively thankless role.

3. I liked the execution, mostly due to the witty banter, but on a conceptual level, I do not like that they made Black Widow fawn over Banner like some lovestruck school girl. Not only does it feel terribly out of character for her, it causes Banner to do something that feels out of character from what he'd done for the film and two thirds preceding: right as thousands of civilians were in danger, he wanted to run away with her. It still worked for me in execution, because both actors are strong... but conceptually, I really hate that the female character has to fawn over a guy. (Similarly, the scene in which Scarlet Witch is suddenly a coward and Hawkeye has to give her some male motivation to actually be brave also rubs me the wrong way conceptually.)

4. We're reeeeeeeeeally starting to verge on too crowded here. Like, Quicksilver was one character too many, and they really only pulled him off because they made his character a one-trick pony with very little character development. To Whedon's credit, the movie really fucking rocks because he knows *how* to balance so much shit (woe be DC for having SNYDER of all people to balance the dozens of characters they're going to try to throw into the mix all of a sudden-- at least Whedon had the benefit of several films of character development on his side before he had to start his juggling act). The movie still works exceptionally well... but I don't know if anyone would dispute that it's starting to feel... stuffed. It's still a smorgasbord of awesome for the time being, but the Russos have one hell of a task in front of them. One HELL of a task. I don't know how they'll possibly do it. But Marvel's earned my trust at this point, so I'll proceed a cockeyed optimist.

Best shit:
- opening tracking shot, because duh
- Spader as Ultron, because DUH
- Bettany as Vision TOTALLY FUCKING RULED IN EVERY WAY, and I was pretty goddamn skeptical
- them causing me to give a shit about Hawkeye
- Veronica, even if it's only tied into the plot by the thinnest of threads, because who really the fuck cares
- the dialogue, even if everyone has the exact same voice-- I'm sure people who don't like Marvel will use this as a minus, which I totally get, but the dialogue crackles like those old 1930s screwball comedies, which I love unconditionally
- the giant-sized fuck you to Man of Steel, which must have been intentional, by dedicating so much time of the action to making sure all of the civilians get to safety

There's more, I'm sure. There's a ton to unpack. Like I said, it's stuffed. But I've seen it twice in the last twelve hours, and liked it even more the second time for certain. It may have some bloat, but man, it's so much goddamn fun.

>1. The Thor water-of-spirits stuff. Clearly there were scenes
>cut here, because this led absolutely nowhere and ended up not
>even being an efficient set-up to Thor 3. It just... existed.
>Didn't take away from the whole, but compared to what everyone
>else saw, it had less than zero impact.


Whedon's first cut of the movie was three and a half hours, so yeah a lot had to be cut to get it to 142 minutes. There will be a directors cut on the blu-ray with an alternate ending.

alternate ending?

this shit was 142 min? really? it felt like 90min

This is where I first read about it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/11564242/Avengers-Age-of-Ultron-will-have-different-ending-on-DVD.html


But, now that story is being walked back. (Apologies, did not mean to get your hopes up.)

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Does-Avengers-Age-Ultron-Have-An-Alternate-Ending-Or-71170.html

just below i pretty much said the same shit you did with way fewer words. hi-five


>1. The Thor water-of-spirits stuff. Clearly there were scenes
>cut here, because this led absolutely nowhere and ended up not
>even being an efficient set-up to Thor 3. It just... existed.
>Didn't take away from the whole, but compared to what everyone
>else saw, it had less than zero impact.
>
not all the way true. it's what cause him to jump on the life-casket thingy that's making Vision. But I feel you. It felt forced in.

>2. Aaron Taylor-Johnson still sucks.

Say it two times

Even though the twins
>weren't really given a ton to work with, Scarlet Witch at
>least feels like flesh and blood (though she is given more to
>do, since, y'know, they care more about her going forward).
>Quicksilver is a non-entity, especially compared to how
>Quicksilver was absolutely the highlight of DOFP-- though
>Quicksilver is probably still better here, since they, y'know,
>USE him for the whole film instead of just for one cool scene
>and then bench him on the sideline. Then again, that's to
>Whedon's credit, not to ATJ's credit. He brings basically
>nothing to a relatively thankless role.
>
agreed. But your hate of DOFP must stop here Longo!

>3. I liked the execution, mostly due to the witty banter, but
>on a conceptual level, I do not like that they made Black
>Widow fawn over Banner like some lovestruck school girl. Not
>only does it feel terribly out of character for her, it causes
>Banner to do something that feels out of character from what
>he'd done for the film and two thirds preceding: right as
>thousands of civilians were in danger, he wanted to run away
>with her. It still worked for me in execution, because both
>actors are strong... but conceptually, I really hate that the
>female character has to fawn over a guy. (Similarly, the scene
>in which Scarlet Witch is suddenly a coward and Hawkeye has to
>give her some male motivation to actually be brave also rubs
>me the wrong way conceptually.)
>
get our my head man, word.

>4. We're reeeeeeeeeally starting to verge on too crowded here.
>Like, Quicksilver was one character too many, and they really
>only pulled him off because they made his character a
>one-trick pony with very little character development. To
>Whedon's credit, the movie really fucking rocks because he
>knows *how* to balance so much shit (woe be DC for having
>SNYDER of all people to balance the dozens of characters
>they're going to try to throw into the mix all of a sudden--
>at least Whedon had the benefit of several films of character
>development on his side before he had to start his juggling
>act). The movie still works exceptionally well... but I don't
>know if anyone would dispute that it's starting to feel...
>stuffed.

again, agreed.

>- Veronica, even if it's only tied into the plot by the
>thinnest of threads, because who really the fuck cares

she eye candy yo

>- the giant-sized fuck you to Man of Steel, which must have
>been intentional, by dedicating so much time of the action to
>making sure all of the civilians get to safety
>
here we disagree, 'cause again DC ain't trying to do what Marvel is

He's got the charisma of a cinder block.

the fight scenes were great, Vision looked dope IMO (outside of his "human" eyes), Ultron looked DAF and Spader's snark was perfect, also non-twin Olsen was doing something to my penis all movie for some reason and he choices for projecting her powers were well done. I also dug Hawkeye's lil back story.

the stuff between Banner and Black Widow was a little off, I hate what had to be done to Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver's back story cause of the studio shit, and Thor and Ironman's dick pissing contest shit got a little stale here

as soon as I heard him talk I was like YES! It just worked perfectly. Really enjoyed the movie. This was the first non kids movie that I have taken my son to watch. He was into it from the start. Enough action to keep a 5 year old entertained. But he liked the story too.

Dug the rest tho

Can we get some Negro Avengers?

I mean they did tease us a little by having Falcon at the party along with War Machine, but both of them still seemed extra goofy.

And then all the way at the end, War Machine rolls through.

And that was it.

I thought both were gonna be major players in this joint, because they were both needed.

But I guess we gotta wait til the next one in 2018 or whatever.

I still think we can fit some more characters in. Fuck it.

Throw Sub Mariner in that bitch. Wonder man. Luke Cage. She-Hulk. Go all the way in. I won't mind.

>Throw Sub Mariner in that bitch.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BEuyLAKoZwA/Uvy_W-Mv2GI/AAAAAAAAkK4/TqZxlRoc8qY/s1600/marvel-rights-1111x889.png

A Sub Mariner movie would be Dope As Fuck. fuck an Ant Man

The movie pretty much set Falcon and War Machine to be off the bench for the next lineup. Although, I'm sure Civil War will rip the configuration at the end of the film apart, as Falcon will rock with Cap and War Machine with Stark. So, we'll see if both make it to Infinity Wars.

War Machine and Falcon were officially added to the team. Black Panther will be in the next Captain America movie as well as his own. Luke Cage gonna be on Jessica Jones as well as getting his own show and The Defenders. i have a feeling we'll see them all in Infinity War somehow.

>War Machine and Falcon were officially added to the team.
>Black Panther will be in the next Captain America movie as
>well as his own.


since they were up in wakanda
got my hopes up for this one actually
ah wells
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Really good, and I dig how Whedon did his thing by having you think Hawkeye was the obvious character to get killed off (IMO revealing his backstory was all for the sake of making you think he was the one that was going to die), but then ...they did what they did (NO SPOILER).

My big gripe is the Black Widow/Hulk love story. It was just thrown in there because somehow they needed to sexualize the one key female character. If it was, like, Hulk and Maria Hill (if that was her name), okay, great. i thought it was unnecessary and didn't really add anything. Plus, they didn't have very much chemistry.

PLUS am I the only one in the world that caught the way Black Widow was eyeing Falcon when they met in Cap 2? I was sure that they were going to do a ballsy move and have them get together. Like, fuck all y'all, Black Widow is around these ripped white dudes all the time..and she goes after the brother with metal wings. But maybe that would have been asking too much of Disney/Marvel, not just for race but also cause Falcon is just a sideline hero.

OH and one last tiny tiny gripe (SPOILER)




The post credit scene didn't get me hyped this time. I mean, it was pretty much exactly like the first movie. Plus after seeing him in Gaurdians of the Galaxy the surprise wasn't there. I wish they had revealed Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock or Spiderman.



Anyway I still don't know how they can do the Infinity Gauntlet story without making the most bloated, ridiculous, expensive train wreck in film history. Like, worse than X3, Spiderman 3 and Amazing Spiderman 2 put together. But this was right up there with F7 as the most fun I've had at the theater this year. Whedon knows how to juggle an ensemble cast that big.

The action was good and the story wasn't bad, but it seemed like more of a set up for future movies.

Didn't like how they did Quicksilver. Not a big fan of Aaron's, but I wouldn't have minded them saving him for an Inhumans story in the future. Guess they could only do so much, since they couldn't do his story properly, anyway.

Looking forward to see where they go with Scarlet Witch and Vision.

felt exhausting like a Transformers movie after awhile. just way too many subplots. and the action scenes started to feel repetitive...just wave after wave of robot redshirts and explosions.

the forced romance and home life subplots were terribly written, boring and completely unnecessary. they did absolutely nothing to move the story forward. there was some REALLY cringe-worthy dialogue in the Banner-Black Widow scenes. felt bad for the actors having to choke on those god awful lines.

Ultron was awesomely realized. cool concept and great vocal performance. Vision was great, too.

Iron Man-Hulk fight was great but would've played a lot better and been more memorable in a shorter, tighter, more focused movie. here it kind of gets lost in all the noise.

again, not sure why movies need to be 2 1/2 hours nowadays, but this would've been so much better at under 2 hours.

OK, maybe not THE best, but certainly the most entertaining I've seen in forever.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's heel-face turns happened a liiiiiiittle too quickly for my tastes, and some of the greenscreen work when *redacted* start falling off of *redacted*, but otherwise? BEST MOVIE EVER BRUH (or close to it).

GOTG is still the best Marvel movie. This one ranks with the first Avenger movie (can't decide if its better or not yet) 5th or 6th on my list after Guardians, Cap2, IM and Cap1. I had a lot of the same complaints as above but still enjoyed the hell out of this so not really complaining. Marvel makes damn fun movies, the others I listed I just feel are better films overall.

But when he takes a dip in that cave lake thing (and how does he know about it? Is this in the comics? He just bounces and seeks the professor), does he have a vision of the Vision being a benevolent being? How did he know that everything would work out when he shows up at Stark's place? I guess it's kind of obvious that he does, so I guess the better question is what is that lake thing? Man, my bad for this post... But help me out with Thor's segment.

It was real good

it was good filmmaking

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couldn't really ask for more. i had minor gripes but nothing big enough to derail the film.

THE GOOD:
opening fight was sick. it was good to see them fighting together as a team. seems they've been fighting together for a bit since the last Avengers. Ultron coming alive and fighting with JARVIS was so well done imo. Vision of course steals the show. handing Thor his hammer had everything in the theater like "OH SNAP!!!". i thought the twins were going to be the worst part, but they came off pretty well. Spader as Ultron was just very well done. i think it helped for him to have a little personality. They usually play Ultron as, well, robotic and i don't know if that would have been very effective. good choice basically making him Tony but evil. they mentioned Wakanda.

THE BAD:
yeah i wasn't feeling the idea of Natasha and Banner being a couple either. only reason this wasn't more of an issue is because Banner rightfully shot it down. the Thor in the pool thing seemed forced. is it just me or did they not show the black girl from the trailer? did i miss that? the Thanos scene didn't really show anything new. where did he get the glove from?

all in all though like i said, loved it.

>THE BAD:
>yeah i wasn't feeling the idea of Natasha and Banner being a
>couple either.

Why?

It emerged naturally from her ability to control the
transitions, no?

Make sense to me.

People have feelings, and shit bro




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for one, Black Widow's crush came out of absolutely nowhere. she's been a stone cold killer the entire series and all of a sudden she's filling her Hello Kitty notebook with "Mrs. Bruce Banner"s. GTFOH.

And the fact that it was written and performed like opening night at a Tyler Perry repertory theatre didn't help.

the Black Widow is NOT just a stone cold killer, she has feelings too and wants what everyone else wants despite her training and upbringing. i don't think it was too much, just enough of a love story. like why can't she have a crush too?

I get that she needs love like anyone else, but I guess it would have made more sense for her to shoot for a more realistic relationship. Bruce was right, a relationship a relationship between them is never gonna work. it's a minor gripe for me though really cuz it honestly wasn't that bad.

I actually thought the way they used her to bring Hulk down was actually kinda cool.

as she said, all her friends are guys who fight, so she likes the sensitive one. i thought her gushing over him was a bit much though.

In her case, the fact that there's always going to be a part of her that's an unfeeling, cold-blooded murderer.

just don't write it like a Wizards of Waverly Place episode.

So her romantic life isn't coming from nowhere, and it's not really out of character considering she linked up with Hawkeye, DD, and Bucky.

That being said, I wasn't feeling it either. It definitely felt forced and didn't really add anything worthwhile to the story for me. Just a lame plot device to give their characters something to do and a reason for Widow to talk about her infertility. It was wack.

when did they do this? seen this over a dozen times and don't recall any references to anything between them, which was surprising as a matter of fact.

that he has a wife and kids kind of explains why not.

and with how close they were, people just assumed that they did. when in fact, its that they are best friends who became that way because they fought with each other for so long.
when you think about it, that makes a lot more sense and so did the fact that he had a family that he kept off the grid.

Fuck is wrong with you nerds

What dweebs you are

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>
>Fuck is wrong with you nerds
>
>What dweebs you are

black widow supposed to be a man hating lesbian I suppose

FOH

the rest of it was fine and made sense.

we've seen this character in a few movies now with NO hint of a real interest in romantic relationships and then, all of a fucking sudden, she's fawning over a dude who turns into a green gorilla.

it was poorly written. period.

I didn't think the romance came off well but I thought the connection seemed a logical extension from the first Avengers movie. Their initial meeting, when Banner hulked up in front of her for the first time, etc. As I say, I didn't take to it the way it played out but I personally wouldn't have said it came from nowhere.

hence the reference Cap made to her flirting.

That IS a buildup

They've had interactions between the movies, the shit
just built up

Hulk is a mysterious dude, chicks like that

And then that whole thing where she can pull him out
of the Hulk mode? Means they've been interacting more,
have an interaction more personal than the others

Shit makes perfect sense


LOL @ you wanting to see the WHOLE birth and brewing
of the LOVE

You silly sensitive wimp

>
>That IS a buildup
>
>They've had interactions between the movies, the shit
>just built up
>
>Hulk is a mysterious dude, chicks like that
>
>And then that whole thing where she can pull him out
>of the Hulk mode? Means they've been interacting more,
>have an interaction more personal than the others
>
>Shit makes perfect sense
>
>
>LOL @ you wanting to see the WHOLE birth and brewing
>of the LOVE
>
>You silly sensitive wimp

because that's the level of writing in this movie.

>because that's the level of writing in this movie.

not present a main character doing an emotional 180 without any buildup or explanation.

not stuff two domestic subplots into an already over-long movie that do nothing to propel the narrative forward.

why did we need the Hulk-Widow romance? what did it do for the plot of this movie, besides being a naked attempt at throwing a bone to female audience members? same for the Hawkeye farmhouse scenes. how cliched and trite. we're supposed to suddenly feel more for him now that we see he has a generic sitcom family? it's just insultingly bad writing.

Because people don't fall in love with their coworkers
or have conflicted, double lives, with families and shit

I'm with you, bro

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but you've truly raised the bar with this one:

>Hulk is a mysterious dude, chicks like that

but that Jersey Shore-level philosophy is literally what's delivered on-screen here. again, we've only seen Black Widow as an assassin who uses sex as a ploy to get what she wants out of people (including the "flirting" with Cap mentioned above) in the past and suddenly she's tending bar (?!?!) and trading forced, cheesy romantic comedy lines with a nerdy scientist.

all the socio-political angles y'all are bringing to this shit doesn't have shit to do with what I'm saying - the whole conceit of the crush was fucked by piss poor, shallow writing. same problem with the Hawkeye home life shit, by the way...horrible, cliched scenario not given enough room to make an impact.

People fuck and love and have crush on their co-workers
for silly reasons...in their teens, 20s, 60s and 80s.

This applies to people on the chess club, football team,
and United States Senate.

People have families and feel conflicted and want to
cuddle with each other

Get over it, nerd

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again, we've only seen Black Widow
>as an assassin who uses sex as a ploy to get what she wants
>out of people (including the "flirting" with Cap mentioned
>above) in the past and suddenly she's tending bar (?!?!) and
>trading forced, cheesy romantic comedy lines with a nerdy
>scientist.

people change. similar to how stark is trying to get out of the superhero game, she's looking for a sense of balance. no one is 100% stone cold killer, you simply can't be. actually, it all makes sense after cap 2, cause she was flirting with cap but in a way that teased her wanting a relationship. the key line in all of this was the one about how all her friends are fighters so she became attracted to the one who's trying not to fight. while i've admitted that her level of flirtation was a little too overt in that scene, how people didn't understand the relationship after that line is beyond me.

Would have rather had just 2D for IMAX, but it was still DAF. Spader's casting was perfect and Vision is dope. Love to see what they do with him going forward.

Man I hope Civil War is awesome...

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

i was bummed that they killed Quicksilver
and also bummed that they had to change scarlet and QS's storyline.

they mentioned Black Panther's country numerous times
and you can already kinda see the Civil War hints just off Tony and capts interactions

i also might be tripping but for a second i thought they even hinted/left a door opern for WWH

vision and scarlet witch were beasting

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/joss-whedon-shot-an-alternate-avengers-age-of-ultron-ending-where-redacted-doesnt-die-much-more-20150504?page=1

Short version:

1. He wanted to cut the "Thor in a cave scene", but Marvel insisted that he keep it in. Marvel gave him an ultimatum: cut the cave and we'll cut the farmhouse and dream sequences, which they didn't like.

2. Loki was supposed to be in Thor's dream sequence. He was going to be play the Heimdall/Idris role, but Marvel couldn't work out the contract particularities with Hiddelston.

3. Whedon wanted to use Spider-Man and Ms. Marvel in the final "New Avengers" scene. They didn't get a license to use Spider-Man in time, and Feige said no to Ms. Marvel.

4. Quicksilver had more of a character, but a lot of it ended up on the cutting room floor. For one, he was supposed to be a tail-chaser. Whedon also shot an ending where he didn't die.

>1. He wanted to cut the "Thor in a cave scene", but Marvel
>insisted that he keep it in. Marvel gave him an ultimatum: cut
>the cave and we'll cut the farmhouse and dream sequences,
>which they didn't like.
>
>2. Loki was supposed to be in Thor's dream sequence. He was
>going to be play the Heimdall/Idris role, but Marvel couldn't
>work out the contract particularities with Hiddelston.

Whedon's not one to toss in some absolutely pointless bullshit.

>4. Quicksilver had more of a character, but a lot of it ended
>up on the cutting room floor. For one, he was supposed to be a
>tail-chaser. Whedon also shot an ending where he didn't die.

While this would've obviously improved the character, we def didn't need more of the twins, and we *especially* didn't need more of ATJ.

>Whedon's not one to toss in some absolutely pointless
>bullshit.

But it was part of the GotG tie-in, right? And setting up the post-credits tag? And Avengers sequels? And maybe I guess to reintroduce Stellan Sarsgard?


>While this would've obviously improved the character, we def
>didn't need more of the twins, and we *especially* didn't need
>more of ATJ.

Yeah, as has been said, the movie was already overstuffed. But the characters were "needed". I don't quite share your abject hatred of ATJ. I've always seen him as innocuous. He did stink Godzilla, I'll grant that.

more Infinity Stone stuff, as well as the next Thor solo film.

The best I can ever say about him is that he's a non-entity in a film, like the first Kick-Ass.

Really, he's never even actively "bad." He's just such a non-entity, even in strong films. Most actors who reach his level have a couple of performances upon which they can hang their hat.

-

I liked it better the second time, though I really enjoyed it the first time too.

So, I agree with most of what everyone else has been saying (everyone got something to do, Spader was a great villain, and the action was simply astounding), although I don’t mind the Widow/Hulk love story. Keep in mind, Widow’s is quite promiscuous in the comic books, and we really do not know much about the movie-verse Widow (or Hulk, for that matter). I also don’t see the massive hate for Aaron-Taylor Johnson, he’s not great, but definitely not the terrible actor you are making him out to be. I didn’t mind him dying either, because somebody had to as there are way too many characters running around (with so many more to come… Ant-Man, probably Wasp, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, not to mention Agents of SHIELD, Inhumans, and the Netflix Defenders). I probably would have even killed someone else (Hawkeye, War Machine, Widow being the nominated parties).

Things I would have added/tweaked:

- More explanation about what Thor’s pool scene. I understand the inclusion, as it explains the Infinity Stones to Thor and the Avengers, whereas the only time this happened before was in Guardians of the Galaxy, where no Avengers were present for.

- Perhaps something added to better understand what Hulk was thinking when he left, and a clue as to where he may end up. This isn’t as big a deal, but I feel like something was missing there.

- I originally thought it would be a good idea to give Nick Fury’s introduction a little more story, but it does make sense for him to show up at a safehouse he set up for Barton, even if he was busy looking into Hydra.

- Scarlet Witch needed her comic book uniform, with the cape and cowl, in that final New Avengers scene. It would have looked better, and set her apart even more. She didn’t look like an Avenger in the movie, and still doesn’t.

- Cap should have completed the saying at the end, how awesome would that have been? I get letting the audience fill in the blanks, but we need that phrase in the movies somehow, why not right there?

I hope they cover that Coulson is still alive with Agents of SHIELD, doesn’t make sense not to have that information readily available. I also hope they include Daredevil and the other Defenders (Jessica Jones and Luke Cage would have existed by the time Civil War comes out), at least a cameo showing which way they go with regards to the Superhuman Registration Act. It would also make sense and show continuity.

I feel confident in ranking the MCU films like this:

1 The Avengers – I still haven’t seen anything that hit me like this one did for the first time.
2 Captain America: The Winter Soldier – This movie is truly a wonder. The action is on another level, Chris Evans owns this role like RDJ does as Stark and Hugh Jackman does as Wolverine, and this could supplant The Avengers someday.
3 Avengers: Age of Ultron – See above. Might be a snap judgment, might not.
4 Iron Man – It still stands tall IMO, thanks to RDJ. People forget about this since Guardians and Cap 2 were so good.
5 Guardians of the Galaxy – I want to really watch this again, b/c this can only get better.
6 The Incredible Hulk – I really like this, but realize that it’s not a favorite among others.
7 Iron Man 2 – It’s Avengers 0.5, and the supporting cast is very awesome. I just watched this again which might explain the love, and it stands surprisingly well among the other films to this day. I know this and Hulk are the 2 least favorite films of the group, but they helped push the train along and hold a special place.
8 Thor – Still surprised that Marvel made this work.
9 Thor: The Dark World – I thought this was better than Thor until seeing it again. It still gets many points for the enjoyment of Thor and Loki.
10 Captain America: The First Avenger – Not a bad film, but definitely the most boring.
11 Iron Man 3 – Not a bad film, but this has a number of problems.

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON
CAPTAIN AMERICA: WINTER SOLDIER
AVENGERS
IRON MAN
CAPTAIN AMERICA
DAREDEVIL
THOR 2
IRON MAN 3
THOR
INCRED. HULK
AGENT CARTER (TV)
AGENT CARTER
IRON MAN 2
ALL HAIL THE KING
ITEM 47
A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THOR'S HAMMER
AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.

I still don't outright hate any of it honestly.

The Avengers
Daredevil
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Incredible Hulk
Agent Carter (TV series)
Iron Man 2
Thor
Agents of SHIELD
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man 3
Item 47
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer
Agent Carter (One-Shot)
All Hail the King
The Consultant

Yeah, that's definitely last.

and everyone has walked out of the room or something.

over angry fan backlash, in particular backlash over the depiction of Black Widow in the film.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/04/joss-whedon-quits-twitter

http://io9.com/black-widow-this-is-why-we-can-t-have-nice-things-1702333037

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/joss-whedon-on-leaving-twitter

Joss Whedon Calls “Horsesh*t” On Reports He Left Twitter Because Of Militant Feminists

“I just thought, Wait a minute, if I’m going to start writing again, I have to go to the quiet place, and this is the least quiet place I’ve ever been in my life,” Whedon told BuzzFeed News.
posted on May. 6, 2015, at 2:00 a.m.
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Joss Whedon at an event for Avengers: Age Of Ultron in Seoul, South Korea, on April 17, 2015. Ahn Young-joon / AP

When filmmaker Joss Whedon decided to delete his Twitter account on Monday, the day after his movie Avengers: Age of Ultron scored the second-highest domestic opening weekend ever, it prompted a flurry of speculation about what, or who, might have driven him away. Whedon found one theory — that he left Twitter due to militant feminists angered over the film’s depiction of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) — particularly galling, so much so that he decided to break his silence.

“That is horseshit,” he told BuzzFeed News by phone on Tuesday. “Believe me, I have been attacked by militant feminists since I got on Twitter. That’s something I’m used to. Every breed of feminism is attacking every other breed, and every subsection of liberalism is always busy attacking another subsection of liberalism, because god forbid they should all band together and actually fight for the cause.

“I saw a lot of people say, ‘Well, the social justice warriors destroyed one of their own!’ It’s like, Nope. That didn’t happen,” he continued. “I saw someone tweet it’s because Feminist Frequency pissed on Avengers 2, which for all I know they may have. But literally the second person to write me to ask if I was OK when I dropped out was Anita .”

What did happen, Whedon said, is that he chose to embrace his long-standing desire post–Age of Ultron to reclaim his personal life and creative spark — and that meant saying good-bye to Twitter. “I just thought, Wait a minute, if I’m going to start writing again, I have to go to the quiet place,” he said. “And this is the least quiet place I’ve ever been in my life. … It’s like taking the bar exam at Coachella. It’s like, Um, I really need to concentrate on this! Guys! Can you all just… I have to… It’s super important for my law!”

Scarlett Johansson and Whedon on the set of Avengers: Age of Ultron. Jay Maidment / Marvel

While Whedon is adamant that feminist criticisms were not the catalyst for his decision, it is clear that some of the distracting uproar that was crowding his notifications and squeezing his creativity came from at least a nominally feminist point of view.

“I’ve said before, when you declare yourself politically, you destroy yourself artistically,” he said. “Because suddenly that’s the litmus test for everything you do — for example, in my case, feminism. If you don’t live up to the litmus test of feminism in this one instance, then you’re a misogynist. It circles directly back upon you.”

One example: Before Age of Ultron opened, Whedon tweeted that he was frustrated that a clip from the upcoming film Jurassic World was “‘70s era sexist” — something he later regretted, telling Variety it was “bad form.” At the same time, Whedon was clearly exasperated by some of the negative commentary about his tweet. “There was a point during the whole Jurassic World thing where someone wrote the phrase ‘championing women marginalizes them,’ and I was like, OK! We’re done! The snake hath et its tail,” he told BuzzFeed News. “There’s no way to find any coherence when everything has to be parsed and decried.”

As far as Whedon is concerned, however, anyone blaming feminists for driving him away from social media is not only wrong, but missing the point about the relationship between internet trolls and feminists on Twitter.

“For someone like Anita Sarkeesian to stay on Twitter and fight back the trolls is a huge statement,” he said. “It’s a statement of strength and empowerment and perseverance, and it’s to be lauded. For somebody like me to argue with a bunch of people who wanted Clint and Natasha to get together , not so much. For someone like me even to argue about feminism — it’s not a huge win. Because ultimately I’m just a rich, straight, white guy. You don’t really change people’s minds through a tweet. You change it through your actions. The action of Anita being there and going through that and getting through that and women like her — that says a lot.”

So while some of the hate directed at Whedon did take the form of death threats, Whedon said he never saw anything on Twitter that escalated to the level of what feminists like Sarkeesian have had to face just about every day. “Nothing that made me go, ‘Wait, they’re calling from my house,’” he said. “It was like, OK, these guys don’t understand about hyperbole.”

“For someone like me even to argue about feminism — it’s not a huge win. Because ultimately I’m just a rich, straight, white guy.” —Joss Whedon

The extreme passion of comic book fans specifically was familiar ground for Whedon well before Twitter even existed, when he first started writing for Marvel Comics in the 2000s and got some advice from veteran comic writer Brian Michael Bendis. “He said, ‘You’re going to meet a new kind of person,’” Whedon said. “His example was he had a letter somebody had written that just said, ‘In panel one, page 17, Daredevil would never say that, die die why can’t you just die?’ … I haven’t dealt with a lot of that, because my fans have always been sweet, erudite, interesting, compassionate people. Like, I don’t know any Buffy trolls. So the steady stream of just like, ‘You suck, you suck, you suck’ — I don’t really think I need to visit You Suck Land anymore.”

It wasn’t just the constant hate on Twitter that Whedon was eager to shut off, either. “So many people have said mean things, but so many people have said wonderful things. But how much approbation do I need before I become creepy?” he asked. “I so appreciate when people took the time to say something nice. But for my own self, it’s like, at some point, you’re just like a little compliment leech. That’s not going to help your writing any more than people slamming on you.”

Ultimately, Whedon said he took stock of everything positive Twitter was providing for him (access to stories he found interesting, people he admired, and jokes he found funny), and everything bad it was throwing at him (the troll-y hate and surfeit of praise) — and realized that the problem actually wasn’t Twitter at all.

“The real issue is me,” he said. “Twitter is an addictive little thing, and if it’s there, I gotta check it. When you keep doing something after it stops giving you pleasure, that’s kind of rock bottom for an addict. … I just had a little moment of clarity where I’m like, You know what? If I want to get stuff done, I need to not constantly hit this thing for a news item or a joke or some praise, and then be suddenly sad when there’s hate and then hate and then hate.”

When asked if he would ever consider coming back to Twitter, Whedon at first gave an almost reflexive never-say-never answer: “I’m sure I’d consider it at some point. It’s a lot of fun. I had a great time.” But the more he talked about it, the less likely that seemed.

“I think the articles that I found, I can find elsewhere,” Whedon said. “I’ll miss some jokes. Maybe I’ll have to go out to a club to see jokes! I think that’s already an improvement in my life. … I need to go out, do the research, turn the page, see the thing, hear the music, live like a person. I’m not great at that. So, oddly enough, because I always feel like I’m the old man who doesn’t get the tech, right now I’m the man who thinks he could do better without it.”
Adam B. Vary is the senior film reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in Los Angeles.
Contact Adam B. Vary at adam.vary@buzzfeed.com

and then the comments section is liberals eating each other.

At the end of Iron Man 3, didn't Stark renounce being Iron Man? (Or have I completely misinterpreted the end of that film?). I thought part of AOU would have been about him making the decision to put the suit back on but there wasn't really any mention of it.

On a side note, when Fury turns up at the end, if the ship was being manned by the SHIELD TV crew, I would've genuinely fist-bumped the sky.

>At the end of Iron Man 3, didn't Stark renounce being Iron
>Man? (Or have I completely misinterpreted the end of that
>film?). I thought part of AOU would have been about him
>making the decision to put the suit back on but there wasn't
>really any mention of it.

I too would have loved an explanation for this, because he blew all of his suits up, then just leaves and... builds more suits? That doesn't really make any sort of sense. Perhaps there is a deleted scene somewhere with an explanation of some kind.

>On a side note, when Fury turns up at the end, if the ship was
>being manned by the SHIELD TV crew, I would've genuinely
>fist-bumped the sky.

This would have been AWESOME, and really helped solidify Agents of SHIELD more. I still don't get why the Avengers don't know about Phil Coulson, seeing as how his death was the catalyst that made them come together in the first film, and Fury and Hill both know that he's been alive for some time.

Yeah, I didn't get why no one's mentioned it. It made the end of the movie even a bit more confusing when Cap says "So you really hanging it up?"
I thought, "Again?"

Even though he may be alive in Marvel TV show that he helped create. Yes, he also acknowledges that it's confusing.

He basically said that writing Coulson into an already packed film would have been too difficult and required him to write a whole B-story where they discovered his status that he was alive. He couldn't just show up at the end with the cavalry, with no explanation.

But yes, they could have at least included Fitz in those scenes from the Helicarrier.

>I would've genuinely
>fist-bumped the sky.


http://cdn3-www.afterellen.com/assets/uploads/2013/10/tumblr_mueeibdRUx1s7t9bko2_400.gif

I re-watched Iron Man 3 a couple weeks ago, and so was fully expecting Stark to have to be "brought back" into the team.
How did they make no mention of it at all? How are his suits running with the Arc reactor removed?
Might be my biggest gripe of this whole flick.

>At the end of Iron Man 3, didn't Stark renounce being Iron
>Man? (Or have I completely misinterpreted the end of that
>film?). I thought part of AOU would have been about him
>making the decision to put the suit back on but there wasn't
>really any mention of it.

Avengers tower is in New York, he was living back in Malibu when IM3 started, so likely he had some suits in tow.

And notice how after he threw the arc reactor into the ocean, he drove away TOWING his machine? I think the whole point was, as long as he lives, Iron Man will as well. Lord knows he can build a suit out of anything.

And keep in mind that there was still a SHIELD in place up until TWS. At that point, and with Hill going to work for Stark Industries, I imagine that Tony was brought up to speed.

And even though he wasn't at the helm anymore, Fury said to Hill at the end of Avengers that they would come back "because we'll need them to."

>>At the end of Iron Man 3, didn't Stark renounce being Iron
>>Man? (Or have I completely misinterpreted the end of that
>>film?). I thought part of AOU would have been about him
>>making the decision to put the suit back on but there wasn't
>>really any mention of it.
>
>Avengers tower is in New York, he was living back in Malibu
>when IM3 started, so likely he had some suits in tow.
>
>And notice how after he threw the arc reactor into the ocean,
>he drove away TOWING his machine? I think the whole point
>was, as long as he lives, Iron Man will as well. Lord knows
>he can build a suit out of anything.
>
>And keep in mind that there was still a SHIELD in place up
>until TWS. At that point, and with Hill going to work for
>Stark Industries, I imagine that Tony was brought up to
>speed.
>
>And even though he wasn't at the helm anymore, Fury said to
>Hill at the end of Avengers that they would come back "because
>we'll need them to."
>
>
>

but my understanding was that at the end of IM3, he gave up the idea of suiting up into battle anymore. The "I am Iron Man" comment at the end (which the poster below mentions) I took to mean that he doesn't need to use the suits for that security anymore but again that he was giving up actually fighting in them again.

the very last line of IM3 was Tony saying "I am Iron Man". he was basically saying that the suits didn't make him Iron Man, it was him.


>On a side note, when Fury turns up at the end, if the ship was
>being manned by the SHIELD TV crew, I would've genuinely
>fist-bumped the sky.


that would have been dope, but Coulson kept the whole Theta protocol thing away from his own team so they didn't know anything about it. but yes, that would have been cool for them to at least have been helping get the civilians to safety. of course they'd also have to address that Coulson is alive to the Avengers which they don't seem to be willing to do right now.

Avengers 2 starts off as though Iron Man 3 didn't happen.

At the end of Iron Man 3, the impression I got was definitely that Stark was retiring from the superhero life. It seemed like he was out to blow up all of his suits and robot drones or whatever.

If anything, by Avengers 2 it's like he has way more of them. And if it was the case that he had more suits/drones somewhere else, then blowing all of them up at the end of Iron Man 3 doesn't make any sense.

It would even be okay if they explained it in a short film or deleted scene.

I was definitely disappointed with Iron Man 3--out of all the Marvel movies, it seemed like the one that didn't really move the main Avengers story arc at all. The way Age of Ultron starts off only confirmed that.

The suits were taking over his life and getting in the way of him and Potts. He was trying to come up with suits for every conceivable scenario. That movie was partly about him working through the Avengers aftermath and using his Iron Man work as a replacement for coping with the trauma.

Now he has mostly gone back to the basic suit and is letting the Iron Legion do the heavy lifting.

It's not that complicated.

The Hulk/Iron man fight was amazing...but Vision was voiced wrong. He looked cool as all get out...but that British voice...wrong.


The rest of it was a blur.

Especially since he's basically just J.A.R.V.I.S in a 3rd printed body, regardless of what they said about him being something different.

Still, he's A.I. what should A.I sound like?

it felt like Avengers 1.5 rather than a true sequel. the ending was too close to a retread of the NYC battle. the banter wasn't as funny. I've got personal quibbles with the disorienting action cuts and lame score (again).

also, for all the praise that Marvel gets for being "bright and comic", opposed to the "dark and dour" DC films, there was as much empty melodrama in this movie as any Nolan Batman or Man of Steel.

hopefully they can ramp things up again the next time.

there was
>as much empty melodrama in this movie as any Nolan Batman or
>Man of Steel.

Chill with the hyperbole

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>also, for all the praise that Marvel gets for being "bright
>and comic", opposed to the "dark and dour" DC films, there was
>as much empty melodrama in this movie as any Nolan Batman or
>Man of Steel.
>

At no point do these Marvel movies ever really take themselves seriously.

the jokes played well

the whole black widow subplot just came off as weird and poorly written/executed. two characters that didn't seem to have a romantic relationship before suddenly almost do, but then it goes nowhere, and her biggest sin is not all of the assassinations, but being sterilized?

Hulk's biggest worry is that he can't be in a elationship bc he's afraid to have kids?

it ties slightly into ultron's spiel, but it mostly doesn't and could have been left on the cutting room floor.


I loved everything about the ongoing joke with Thor's hammer, pls the rivalry btw thor and tony stark

the action climax was way better this time around than in avengers 1


hopefully the next big marvel movie won't re-use the "I'm distracting the bad guy so my teammate can nail him" thing, that's 2 at least now, with GotG and this

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

so how do her hexes work? Do they eventually wear off? I was thinking they don't, which would mean every Avenger is still under her influence.

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Age of Ultron imo is a very thin story to begin with. To make matters worse they added too many subplots. What was all that home on the range bullshit? Hawkeye? Starks chopping firewood? Gee for a second i thougt Banner or Thor was gonna be milking some cows

Grade C

Ultron (Spader) was the absolute highlight along with the Buster-Hulk fight, Ulysses Klaw, and Vision.

Just so much going on to even break down...definitely didn't resonate with me like GotG but the Hawkeye scenes imo were far better than the forced BWidow-Banner love story. The death didn't play...I tried really hard to feel it lol but nothing there was really earned (maybe that's because of ATJ? Dunno).

Good, certainly not on the level of GotG (by far the best Marvel film thus far) and a level below Avengers 1, Winter Soldier, and Iron Man 1.

hulkbuster fight was dope tho

Way too much over compansation.

We get it, we get it lol

Widow's world was forever changed when she became an Avenger. I guess I'm one of the few who remember her telling Hawkeye "Aliens and gods, we never prepared for anything like this"

And she wasn't FLIRTING with Cap throughout Winter Soldier. They had a diversionary kiss then some conversation where they connected some, but she wasn't on him like that AT ALL. What did change was when Hydra blew up the original Shield headquarters and she became totally dependent on Cap to save her, AND when she realized what she thought was writing her wrongs was being puppeted by a shadow cabal. That IS enough to rock someone to the core and cause a paradigm shift. It's like you motherfuckers detest her showing ANY emotion whatsoever.

I'm not going into anymore of this, y'all should just say "I didn't like it," but some of these explanations and rationales are pathetic.