... 6 months after Avengers 2.
http://www.examiner.com/article/ant-man-gets-a-release-date-and-clark-gregg-teases-coulson-s-return

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/ant-man-2015-disney-iron-man-3_n_1967527.html

He's pretty much a wife-beating scumbag, but that would make for a damn interesting movie.

I find it funny how Guardians of the Galaxy gets a movie, but not BP or Iron Fist, or Luke Cage. But now that James Gunn came aboard I'm interested to see what happens.

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That's the *only* reason Ant Man is happening.

I love T'challa, but comparing him to Ant-Man in the scope of Avengers relevance is not even a contest.

I have absolutely zero faith in this being worthwhile.

The bench is starting to run thin. They need to stop adding heroes and focus on important storylines/villians.

Throw in Reed Richards and it's a WRAP

Hell, the WORST one was pretty solid, being the Incredible Hulk.

So you're basically saying they've got a shitty track record if you think "quite a few" among Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Captain America, Thor, The Incredible Hulk, and The Avengers are duds.

Marvel didn't make the F4 movies or Wolverine or X-Men 3 or Daredevil, Fox made those movies with Marvel characters that they own the rights to. Marvel didn't make Spiderman 3, Sony did.

Avengers is obviously the golden standard.

Let's not revise the story and pretend that they've got a spotless record just because Avengers was so good.

it was aight. it was bad compared to both IM + Cap

I loved all of them personally. You think they're 3-6, that's alll good. I felt like they went 6-6 without a bad one among them. Some were better than others, some were more flawed than others, but none of them are anything remotely approaching "bad" to me. Most people I know enjoy all of them as well.

I was just talking to some of my peeps. I'm pretty sure I disliked Captain America.Hate would be too much but I definitely did not enjoy it. To me it was the weakest link of the marvel cannon. All the action scenes in that movie are montages, which I think is cheating the viewers.All the cool action scenes they showed in the trailer were condensed into a 4 min montage in the movie.

They way I see it, the only good movies they dropped were Iron Man and Avengers. Everything else has ranged from bad to meh.

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Which sounded pretty fucking fun. And great in general.

That and, y'know, Edgar Wright hasn't made a bad movie yet.

I'm gonna save judgement until the movie drops cause the last time EW did a comic book movie it was called Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and it ended up being one of the best films of the year. But like I said Ant-Man makes more sense than Guardians of the Galaxy. Seriously, Rocket Raccoon and an Ent get their own movie over Cloak and Dagger, BP, War Machine, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist? But like I also said, hopefully James Gunn makes it an action comedy than a straight action film.

Dude has zero fuckups. He is meticulous and thoughtful and patient.

he controls ants and beats his wife?
any redeeming qualities?

he's basically a super-science genius (reed richards-lite) - and he can actually grow very large too (not just small).

currently, his wife is dead - but he did have a drinking problem or something.

we'll see how Marvel plays it. pym can pretty much do anything.

Now, have they actually confirmed its pym and not Eric O'Grady? That would make it more of a comedy because he's kind of a dick/jokester.

That is a real factor.

Hell, it could be both. Pym and the ex-con. Introduce Pym in Avengers 2 or earlier, and then have a SHIELD prisoner steal his shit in the solo movie. Could be awesome.

when you add the rumor of them making Colson The Vision, it makes sense to have Pym enter the avengers.

I just don't see him needing a full movie; ESPECIALLY when BP ain't getting one.

Especially considering how many people are saying that AntMan will bomb based on lack of public familiarity. Does Marvel even have the rights to BP?

BP is a GOOD character. It will play well on screen and YES Marvel has the rights to it.

Now let's think about Ant Man - Hank Pym is a fuck up, the other iteration is an asshole, the powers are kinda laughable.

BPs powers are pretty understandable, he has tie in history with Iron Man AND Cap, and the character itself is good. Batman, plus captain america w/a lil' mysticism thrown in for good measure.

Dude....

But folks are really weird acting like Marvel does not know what they are doing.

Obviously they know.

>Especially considering how many people are saying that AntMan
>will bomb based on lack of public familiarity. Does Marvel
>even have the rights to BP?

you DO know there was a long ass post FULL of fanboys whining about BP KNOWING why it won't happen...even the head of Marvel moved goal posts and just flat out said he didn't think BP was happening and if it did, it wasn't happening ANYTIME SOON.

yet you have these posts full of folk "upset" about this (cause really, if a BP movie actually happened, none of these fools would have shelled out money to see it) but give you the "well he's a good character, has tie ins to Cap and Iron Man, intelligent, etc."

newsflash: TRUST, marvel knows BP is all that and then some and yet they aren't moving forward with introducing him into the current movie universe and have said there are no plans to make a film...

we *KNOW* why BP isn't being done. Folk need to get with that reality real quick.

Oh, and the Stan Lee defense: drop that. Lee only cashes the checks and has minimal input and he DEFERS to Feige in making the movie decisions, etc.

Black Panther as a movie SHOULD come out, but it won't. Maybe it will but clearly it's not. If it's not even listed in the "possibility" section of Feige's superhero movie roll out game plan, it ain't happening.

The long dead in the water Melissa Rosenberg written, Jessica Jones tv pilot and the Luke Cage movie are MORE of a possibility than Black Panther.

Y'all need to realize BP isn't coming and if he DOES magically come in the next year or two, know that y'all getting a bullshit, Feige doesn't respect BP OR the fans enough to care movie...

smh

That should clear it up for you.

Without the rights to Doctor Doom and Magneto, Marvel needs Mega-Heels to make its movies work (especially the Avengers). And you can certainly do worse than a psycho, indestructible, super-powerful robot.

Seems like those are all better candidates for the next wave IMO.

Seems like theyre focusing their attention on Avengers-related titles, which, especially now, makes senses, given its their biggest hit.

>Seems like theyre focusing their attention on
>Avengers-related titles, which, especially now, makes senses,
>given its their biggest hit.

I mean, it's not exactly hard to make him part of the team. He was once offered a spot on the team in the comics and he turned it down, they could do the exact same thing with him helping out the team for a film, even crossing over into a couple of characters solo films, but making things clear that he's got his own priorities.

He's a much stronger character with better recognition to build around.

That is very different, because he did NOT help out the team in the comics.

They could work it into the universe, by having others cameo for the same reasons as in Bendis's run, but he can not be an Avenger.

>That is very different, because he did NOT help out the team
>in the comics.

Talk about nitpicking. I worded that poorly, but I meant they could still ask him to join and he'd still turn it down, but for the sake of the movie tie ins, he would assist while turning down any formal membership. Still, what a pointless thing to jostle over.

>They could work it into the universe, by having others cameo
>for the same reasons as in Bendis's run, but he can not be an
>Avenger.

Why can't he be an Avenger? Because it didn't happen in the comics? LOL. I see, you're a purist. He CAN be whatever they decide to make him, including an Avenger, which actually makes sense.

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That would be followed by:

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Avengers Vs. x-men
Civil War

when everybody is brand new

Avengers 2

Star Wars 7

Ant-Man

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"....one of these things just doesn't belong here"

Is there an official post for this movie? Searching for it was difficult.

http://i.imgur.com/YRO88qp.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/ant-man-shortlist-is-down-to-joseph-gordon-levitt-and-paul-rudd/


�Ant-Man� Shortlist Is Down to Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Paul Rudd
Posted on Monday, October 14th, 2013 by Russ Fischer

What sort of movie is Edgar Wright planning to make with Ant-Man, and who�ll he get to play the lead?

Coming from Wright, whose films all feature a mix of action and comedy, and given his fun and energetic demo reel for the character, it�s no surprise to see that there�s likely a real comic slant to the film. Or that�s the impression given by the current two-name shortlist for the lead role. The two names reportedly in real contention to play Ant-Man are Joseph Gordon-Levitt (who, realistically, seems to be in contention for many roles of this type) and Paul Rudd.

Variety reports that a third name could turn up, but that right now it looks like Gordon-Levitt and Rudd both have to meet with Marvel and Wright, and then a choice will be made.

Marvel made waves when the company and director James Gunn cast Chris Pratt, best known for the comedy TV show Parks & Recreation, as the lead of Guardians of the Galaxy. Casting Rudd would seems like a move further in the same direction; not coincidentally, it would probably also be a great choice for Ant-Man.

Gordon-Levitt would do quite well in the lead, but we�ve seen him in this sort of movie before. The more left-field choice of Rudd is more appealing (to me) as he could give Marvel a good successor to Robert Downey, Jr.�s Iron Man. And while there�s no way to qualify it, from a distance Rudd just feels like the right choice.

The film is scheduled for release on July 31, 2015. Wright has teased pre-production on the film, and we expect to hear a lot more soon.

I've actually come around on this in a big way and take back all my previous comments. Not because of this news, but it certainly livens things up. I like Rudd for this over JGL.

More Ant-Man Casting Rumors Point To Paul Rudd & Rashida Jones

By: Scott Johnson on October 24, 2013
In : Ant-Man Movie, Movies - 4 Comments


Paul Rudd & Rashida Jones

While this isn�t exactly new information, it does add more credibility to previous reports. Schmoes Know is reporting that Paul Rudd and Rashida Jones are close to being cast as Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne.


News of Rashida Jones being in the running for the Janet van Dyne role recently broke on Superhero Movie News. And Comicbook.com was first to report on Paul Rudd being rumored for Ant-Man way back in February. Of course, everyone thought we were crazy back then, when we wrote, �Someone like Paul Rudd who has a dry sense of humor is exactly the type of actor that Marvel Studios is famous for casting.� A little over a week ago Variety also reported that the Ant-Man role was down to between Paul Rudd and Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
Schmoes Know says their information comes from the same reliable source that gave them the scoop on Beetlejuice 2. It�s also interesting to note that Schmoes Know says Paul Rudd is close to being cast as Hank Pym, as there has been some recent debate over if Ant-Man might be Scott Lang, and Hank Pym might play a secondary role in the movie.

*rolls eyes*

Rudd's been doing the funnyman shtick a while, but he's also a terrific theatrically-trained actor. This will probably be the best script he's had in ages to work with.

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I've had enough of dude

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Not that it'll change my mind.
He's one of the few actors in mainstream Hollywood that don't bother me.
I wont go out of my way to watch a film just because he's starring in it, but worse actors have gotten more shine.

Post count says 96 (97 now) but number'd posts say 54 (55 now)? Who was in here posting ~40 times that got the ax?

There's a bunch of posts like that

I don't remember redacting en masse in here.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1719446/marvel-confirms-paul-rudd-ant-man.jhtml

It's totes magotes official: Paul Rudd is Ant-Man!

After months of rumors, and a few days where the news was all but confirmed, Marvel has made it official that Rudd is the man to lead director Edgar Wright's "Ant-Man," hitting theaters in 2015. In a press release, Marvel said that Rudd represents "the studio's desire to cast actors that bring several dimensions to its onscreen heroes."

"When Edgar Wright came to us with the idea of Paul Rudd, we felt a huge sense of relief because the first step in creating any Marvel Studios film is finding the right star," Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige said in a statement. "We knew early on that we had found the right person in Paul. When he not only agreed to do it but became as enthusiastic as any actor we'd ever met with about doing the work, we knew we'd found the right guy."

Feige continued, "We couldn't be more excited for our audiences to see what he's going to do to bring Ant-Man to life."

With Rudd's casting official, a few new questions arise. Chief among them is ... well, who is Rudd playing? Sure, he's Ant-Man � but which one? Popular opinion has pegged Rudd as Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man and the inventor of the hero's size-changing technology. But others believe he'll play Scott Lang, a small-time criminal who steals the Ant-Man suit and becomes an accidental hero.

In their announcement, Marvel never revealed whether it's Pym, Lang or someone else in the title role. Indeed, they mention that "the film's plot is being kept under wraps," so it might be some time before any further specifics emerge.

Rudd's "Ant-Man" won't hit the big screen until July 31, 2015 (almost three months after the release of "The Avengers: Age of Ultron"), but he can be seen in theaters right now reprising his role as field reporter Brian Fantana in "Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues."

I mean, it's Ant-Man, so bear with me, but Rudd will be good here.

...is Rudd, Ruffalo and RDJ. All delivering Whedon dialogue. That could be magic.

Paul Rudd is Scott Lang.

http://marvel.com/news/movies/2014/1/13/21746/michael_douglas_to_star_as_hank_pym_in_marvels_ant-man

Come here to post this. Like, holy fuck.

Marvel 107
DC 19

but their complaints are mostly bullshit and its too early to tell how they are going with this movie.

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I couldn't see him pulling off Pym. But Douglas as Pym mentoring a smart alecky-asshole Rudd?

That sounds SPOT on.

http://www.thewrap.com/edgar-wright-exits-marvels-ant-man/

Edgar Wright Exits Marvel's �Ant-Man�
MOVIES | By Jordan Zakarin on May 23, 2014 @ 12:57 pm

The filmmaker and studio split �due to differences in their vision of the film�

Edgar Wright has left the Marvel Universe.

The �Cornetto Trilogy� and �Scott Pilgrim� director and the Disney-owned Marvel Studios announced in a joint statement that he has left the big screen adaptation of �Ant-Man,� which stars Paul Rudd.

�Marvel and Edgar Wright jointly announced today that the studio and director have parted ways on ANT-MAN due to differences in their vision of the film,� a statement read. �The decision to move on is amicable and does not impact the release date on July 17, 2015. A new director will be announced shortly.�

Crazy.

Everyone across the globe needs to devote 10 minutes of silence to this. I'm serious.

Would have loved to seen what Edgar could have brought to the "Marvel comic book" movie

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Hope Edgar Wright is working on some other cool shit instead then.

Scott Pilgrim is one of my ALL TIME favorite films. I had a feeling that 'Edgar + Marvel & Ant Man' was a gonna make some magic...

damn...

just damn....

The Marvel Avengers movies are so big, I doesn't really shock me that a director used to having a lot of creative freedom/control backed out. I'm surprised that even Joss Whedon is still on board; my guess would be that he's got many stories of all the compromises he had to make to keep the job...

I was really looking forward to seeing Wright leave his mark on the MCU.

I would say I'm not surprised but he'd been working with Marvel on it since what...2007?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/why-ant-man-director-edgar-707374


Feige ordered a rewrite without Wright's input, he was delivered the shoot script on Monday last week and walked the same day.

Good for him.

http://collider.com/edgar-wright-ant-man-departure/

won�t add to the outcries about Edgar Wright leaving Ant-Man beyond saying it sucks, it�s bad for Marvel, and bad for fans (I said a lot more about it on this week�s The Collision podcast). It was rumored that Wright�s seemingly abrupt exit was due to significant rewrites from Marvel�s in-house writers, and the new script completely undid the story Wright and co-screenwriter Joe Cornish wanted to tell. THR confirms this report saying, �new rewrites took place without Wright�s input, and when he received Marvel�s new version early during the week of May 19, he walked.� Additionally, THR reports that some insiders feel the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy may have already gone too far, and Wright�s vision �might have been too quirky the Marvel universe.�

According to THR, �Marvel had been unhappy with take on Ant-Man for weeks,� which I still find shocking since he�s been with the studio longer than any filmmaker (he started work on Ant-Man in 2006), and I don�t know how they could have only recently decided that they weren�t pleased with his vision for the film. Nevertheless, Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige ordered revisions of the script, and that script was apparently so far from what Wright wanted that he felt he had no choice but to walk away.

In addition to trying to find a director that will have to piece together the new script with what remains of Wright�s vision for the movie, Marvel will also have to put together the project�s key crew positions. THR says the movie�s �heads of departments � departed when it became clear production would not begin as scheduled.� The cast is still attached, and �a source close to the production says all key crew positions will be filled shortly.�

Looks like Marvel's getting blow back for Guardians and decided to try to reign Ant Man back. It's a shame it was starting to sound like a pretty good project.

folks in the comments on sites like SuperHeroHype. Which usually means that there's some truth to it, but it's all to be taken w/ a grain of salt.

Wright made it clear throughout time that he was trying to make a standalone movie. Marvel is obviously not interested in doing that anymore.

Which sucks, since Wright was working on it for the longest

All that time and money gone to waste

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http://variety.com/2014/film/news/adam-mckay-to-replace-edgar-wright-as-ant-man-director-1201199467/

>Adam McKay to Replace Edgar Wright as �Ant-Man� Director
MAY 30, 2014 | 10:36PM PT

�Anchorman� director Adam McKay is in advanced talks to replace Edgar Wright as helmer of Marvel�s �Ant-Man,� sources confirm to Variety. Wright had been attached to the superhero project since 2006 before resigning last week over creative differences.

�Ant-Man,� expected to film later this summer, is still slated for theatrical release on July 17, 2015. Disney will distribute the movie.

The WME-repped McKay has a long history with star Paul Rudd, having directed the actor in both �Anchorman� comedies.

Rudd leads an �Ant-Man� cast that includes Oscar-winner Michael Douglas and Evangeline Lilly.

Sources believe Wright walked away from the project on May 23 after Marvel altered a version of the script he and Joe Cornish had written without their knowledge.

After news broke of his exit, Wright tweeted a photo of silent film star Buster Keaton holding a Cornetto ice cream cone (Wright is responsible for the trilogy of popular comedies dubbed The Three Flavours Cornetto Trilogy) before deleting the post less than 24 hours later. Observers think the director was referencing Keaton�s own struggles with the studio system in the late 1920s.

�The decision to move on is amicable,� Marvel said at the time. �A new director will be announced shortly.�

McKay was said to be among several contenders to meet with Marvel president Kevin Feige this past week. The director, who is also Will Ferrell�s producing partner and helmed comedies �The Other Guys� and �Step Brothers,� is making his first leap into superhero territory.

The Disney-owned Marvel is developing �Ant-Man� as a potential new franchise as part of its third phase of films, which includes this summer�s �Guardians of the Galaxy.�

Based on the comic book of the same name, Ant-Man is the alter-ego of biochemist Hank Pym, who uses subatomic particles to create a size-altering formula and when tests go awry, realizes he can also communicate with and control insects.

Ain�t It Cool News first broke the McKay story.

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http://variety.com/2014/film/news/adam-mckay-wont-direct-ant-man-1201201146/

>Adam McKay Ends Talks to Direct �Ant-Man�
MAY 31, 2014 | 10:40AM PT
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It looks like Adam McKay is no longer interested in replacing Edgar Wright as the director of Marvel�s �Ant-Man,� sources confirm to Variety.

The �Anchorman� helmer has suddenly pulled out of negotiations to step in for Wright. He was in advanced talks to take on the movie just yesterday.

McKay is believed to be among several contenders, including �We�re the Millers� director Rawson Marshall Thurber and �Gangster Squad� helmer Ruben Fleischer, who meet with Marvel president Kevin Feige this past week.

A director search had been underway since last week after Wright abruptly exited the superhero project due to creative differences. He had been developing the tentpole since 2006. Wright reportedly walked away from the movie after Marvel altered a version of the script he and Joe Cornish had written without their knowledge.

�The decision to move on is amicable,� Marvel said last week. �A new director will be announced shortly.�

Disney�s �Ant-Man,� which stars Paul Rudd as the titular hero, is set to film this summer and bow in theaters on July 17, 2015. McKay was partly considered a front-runner because he directed Rudd in both �Anchorman� comedies.

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Who watched Gangster Squad and felt confident putting him at the helm of any action movie?

The obvious choice would be the Russo Bros after what they did with Cap and they're comedic history (seems like they are going with guys with lighter touches.) Shane Black also handled Iron Man well.

Give the keys back to Edgar Wright and let him direct his screenplay that he and Joe Cornish worked on for years.

Marvel can afford to let an auteur display his vision. By the time Avengers 2 has smashed the box office people will pretty much go and see anything in the MCU - in fact GotG will probably be a huge hit too and that seems to have a very quirky humour.

Is the summer 2015 release date so important to Marvel, its still shocking that with less than a week/month before shooting began they replace the screenplay and director.

I might be more excited than I was for Wright.

>I might be more excited than I was for Wright.


You're kidding right?

DOWN WITH LOVE Is a masterpiece and I'm still to this day angry that Peyton never got to do his FF period piece.

And Wright's overrated.

Reed is visually gifted, even when doing back work, and he can keep it light without sacrificing intelligence. Meanwhile, McKay has shown the ability to be subversive even within studio comedy.

I don't think Wright is overrated (if anything, visually, he's grossly underrated), and seeing a guy like him tackle a hero as a passion project would've been terrific... but if Reed and McKay had been the first names announced, I would've been excited then too.

If Marvel suddenly didn't like Wright's take on Ant-Man, I'm not sure McKay is the best guy to bring in. His major strength is setting up scenarios for improv comedy. I have no idea how he'll be at character development and plotting.

Or at least the major plot points are.

They probably need McKay for dialogue, character stuff, and maybe action sequences. All of which I have faith in him to deliver.

I know people say the current post-Wright draft is trash, but I'd be willing to bet Marvel knows what story they want the filmmaker to tell, and they're just looking for a voice to deliver their story. I bet Wright wanted to tell his story his way, not their story his way. And despite the PR hit they've taken, I trust Marvel from an overall storytelling perspective.

http://collider.com/ant-man-trailer-teaser/

Kudos to the marketing department.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ent7BoDR1yE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xInh3VhAWs8

Nothing terrible, but it does have me o_O at Marvel, even though I thought the same of Guardians of the Galaxy. One of these is bound to be a dud.

I'm like maybe they should've just had a "movie stick out like a sore thumb" with Edgar. That's people described Edgar's Ant-Man. They say it would've been incredible, but stuck out like a sore thumb in terms of fitting in with the rest of the universe.

Folks are still mad Wright chose to leave, but I trust all of the talent involved, on both sides of the camera.

They have to earn my distrust before I fail to get excited for a new Marvel flick. I haven't even seen the trailer yet, and even if it underwhelms me, I'm still going to be pumped.

Being someone like his character in Role Models, that has to get a heart of gold for a kid. I see it's dropping after AoU, so I'm anxious to see the tie-in factor.

guardians at least looked good from the jump. i just wasnt sold that it'd connect w/ regular folks like that because it seemed like it was asking too much of the audience.

this doesn't even look interesting by regular comedy standards, let alone superhero movies.

>guardians at least looked good from the jump. i just wasnt
>sold that it'd connect w/ regular folks like that because it
>seemed like it was asking too much of the audience.
>

Shit looks like it's just there. Looks so mediocre.

Now, I'm still onboard casting wise, but I'm gonna need to see more of the story before I buy in. As of right now, it's looking like a netflix joint.

IMO.

I would still watch, but maybe not theaters for that one.

...so, i broke my own rule of avoiding watching Marvel Trailers before i actually see the movie (well, my 'no trailer' rule is not just for Marvel movies, but for most any big blockbuster related movies)...

...at any rate, i broke the rule and watched MOST of the Ant-Man trailer when it popped up at the end of Agent Carter....

...and yeah, what i saw didnt 'wow' me. it also didnt 'un-wow' me either. I guess what i'm saying is that, at this point i dont have any idea what to expect from this one, good or bad.

what i saw of the trailer didnt give away much of anything really (and, thats mainly good for me because thats PART of what im trying to avoid by avoiding trailers....trying to avoid presetting expectations so that i can experience the movie in the theater as raw-ly as possible,,,

Creatively speaking though, the trailer itself wasnt that intriguing...what they chose to show in the trailer, there wasn't any unique 'vibe' to make me 'tilt my head side-ways ya know?

I'm obviously not gonna poopoo a flic based on a trailer, but what i think a GOOD trailer SHOULD do is, it should peak my interest...peak my curiosity ....but do so without giving away ANY spoilers and withOUT giving any surprise 'big' scenes in advance that would be diminish the IN THEATER raw discovery experience....this trailer didnt really do that for me. (the original "Alien" trailer is a perfect example of a fantastically succesful and satisfying trailer)

Now, im invested in the Marvel movie universe, so obviously, i WILL be seeing this flick.
i'm a huge fan of Paul Rudd, and i thought his casting was a big plus and a 'draw' for the film.

but the trailer itself didnt really do anything to enhance my interest...i've already forgotten what i saw,,,

all cards on the table, i STILL have not gotten over the news that the folks who were involved in a few of my favorite films in recent years ("Scott Pilgram"s Edgar Wright and "Attack The Block"s Joe Cornish) are now no longer a part of this Ant-Man project...
the potential for creativity with those two cats was a DEFINITE pull for me...and i honestly cant help myself from having that 'missed opportunity for potential creative greatness' feeling in my gut...

...this isnt to say that those at the helm of Ant-Man now dont have the potential to do some wonderful things either, i honestly dont know enough about their work or perspective to get a feeling either way...i'm genuinely HOPING that they DO bring a fresh, unique and interesting movie....

what i saw of that trailer sure wasn't though...

but it IS JUST a trailer after all...

...and who knows maybe its some stroke of reverse marketing mad-genius...to actually proactively LOWER our expectations with a forgettable trailer, and then sucker-punch us with a crazy-super-creative movie later?

...we shall see...to be continued next issue....

And that's not a good thing.

Edit: Also, as an Atlantan, this continues our run of "meh" at best movies shot here. Dare anyone to name one decent to great movie done here. When coming to Atlanta because of tax breaks and cheap labor, expect a similar product.

>Edit: Also, as an Atlantan, this continues our run of "meh"
>at best movies shot here. Dare anyone to name one decent to
>great movie done here. When coming to Atlanta because of tax
>breaks and cheap labor, expect a similar product.

I can't stop laughing...

Best movie shot here possibly is Lets Be Cops or Furious 7, though I don't think we should be able to claim a movie with that many settings. Every garbage movie/sequel gets filmed here. Shooting right now around town: The next shitty Divergent movie, Alvin & The Chipmunks 4, some damn Tom Cruise flick, an Anna Kendrick/Steve Carrel rom-com (believable pairing). Our best hope for a decent movie, finally, will be either The Accountant (not holding my breath) or Captain America 3.

I was gonna name the last two Hunger Games movies but would have been lying to myself

>I was gonna name the last two Hunger Games movies but would
>have been lying to myself

wasn't great but it was better than the second one

Because it's basically Cobb County: The Movie.

They basically drove from Atlanta to Dalton and back but pretended they were driving across the south.

Never actually shot in Fulton or Dekalb.

Assuming that was actually filmed there

The money shot with the train was not in the 20 minutes I saw.

Just remember, there's been movies that had A+++ trailers for an okay film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdKf3MneyI

wasn't blown away, but i think they set up pretty well what their tone is going to be. definitely looks fun at very least.

But still only OK really.

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http://www.slashfilm.com/joss-whedon-edgar-wright-ant-man/

Nothing against Peyton Reed‘s Ant-Man, but there are always going to be some fans wondering what Edgar Wright‘s Ant-Man could have been. His abrupt last-minute departure after years of development signaled irreconcilable creative differences, with many speculating that Wright’s unique sensibility just didn’t fit into the Marvel mold.

But Avengers director Joss Whedon suggests Wright’s Ant-Man (which he co-wrote with Joe Cornish) actually would have been perfect for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. According to him, it was the best and the “most Marvel” script the studio ever had. Read the Joss Whedon Edgar Wright Ant-Man comments after the jump.

Whedon reflected upon Wright’s exit from Ant-Man in a chat with Buzzfeed:

" I don’t get it. I thought the script was not only the best script that Marvel had ever had, but the most Marvel script I’d read. I had no interest in Ant-Man. I read the script, and was like, Of course! This is so good! It reminded me of the books when I read them. Irreverent and funny and could make what was small large, and vice versa."

"I don’t know where things went wrong. But I was very sad. Because I thought, This is a no-brainer. This is Marvel getting it exactly right. Whatever dissonance that came, whatever it was, I don’t understand why it was bigger than a marriage that seemed so right."

"But I’m not going to say it was definitely all Marvel, or Edgar’s gone mad! I felt like they would complement each other by the ways that they were different. And, uh, somethin’ happened."

Whedon sounds unhappy to be caught between Wright and Marvel. He has a longstanding relationship with the studio that continues next month with Avengers: Age of Ultron, but he also tweeted his support of Wright following the latter’s exit.

stuff

If they REALLY want to make a succesful universe they are going to need movies that aren't tied to one mega-major event 5 years down the line.

Its going to be interesting to see how Lucasfilm tackles Star Wars since they might run into the same issues (maybe not, since the Episode films will be such tentpoles on their own, you really don't need to have the side films build up to anything and could stand on their own)

Ant Man could have easily been a stand alone (similar to the OG Cap and Iron Man) and they could have worked him in another flick.

we got Iron Man 2.

I get why they wanna do it, but it wouldn't have hurt to have a truly stand alone movie and have Hank pop up in Civil War.

i'm concerned that they're at risk of focusing TOO much attention & energy on trying to "tie everything into 'The Marvel Movie universe'" and (in some cases) NOT focusing the attention on MAKING THE BEST POSSIBLE MOVIE-TELLING THE BEST POSSIBLE STORY.....

sure tie ins and multi film integration are cool here and there, and can be engaging in many ways...but ultimately, in the end that's just a nice novelty really...

and when you start to sacrifice the CORE QUALITY of any given story/film JUST to 'force' some sort of tie in to the next thing..?..thats when you will risk losing me, and ultimately jeopardize the entire brand. Priority ONE should be QUALITY MOVIE first and then, sure, if applicable tie in....but If a story is worthy of a stand-alone...dammit...make it a stand alone.

Marvels own mantra was supposedly: 'Story first' or something like that....i think somewhere along the way they may have forgotten that a bit and started to get caught up in their 'build a Marvel universe' tie in integrated plots obsession and let each core story themselves falter...(see the last two Iron Man flicks and Agents Of Shield TV show....)

...i was crushed when i heard that Edgar and Cornish were no longer on the Ant Man project....i'm trying to be optimistic now, but yes admittedly i was crushed...Edgar/Cornish are responsible of two of the most creatively executed films in recent memory (two of my favorite flicks period....Scott Pilgram and Attack the Block)...so i can't even imagine what they could have done with this project....

i'm hoping that something of their vision is still in place in the current film...but regardless...thats water under the bridge now...

the good thing is that, with the Netflix Daredevil series...Marvel has done it right again...they NAILED that one! Watching Daredevil was as satisfying as i remember watching the first Iron Man movie (thats the FIRST one that they NAILED) and the first Captain America movie (NAILED it again there too :)....story first....STORY FIRST....


dont eft this good thing up by losing focus on that.....

They did the tie in shit in the first episode by heavily referencing The Incident aka The Battle of New York from The Avengers and then they built upon that to create their own universe within 10 city blocks.

Daredevil has a lot of easter eggs and set up to shape the things to come, but that never got in the way of the story. They never went out of their way to tie in shit.

So, I mean...

Cause as far as I understand it, he has very little to do with that show.

I'm saying he thinks his brother is doing a good job. Or, in his own words...

"It went from being absolutely 100% the driving force and totally hands-on to ‘That sounds great, Jed! You should do that!’”"

He handed his brother and sister in law the wheel. I doubt very much he has any idea what's going on.

Whedon was relatively hands on. Story choices, script notes, etc. Everything went through Whedon, since he was in charge of the Avengers, and Feige, since he's in charge of... everything. Went through more hands than that, too... but Season 1 was considered pretty important for Marvel's TV ambitions, so a lot of hands at Disney and Marvel were on deck to approve of and/or provide suggestions for pretty much every creative decision, even down to the small ones.

Which I think is apparent at times during that season (and, ultimately, why my friend decided to pursue less corporate pastures for Season 2).

Wasn't initially liking this but its Marvel and if reviews start coming in positive, I may catch this in theater yet.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ant-Man-Reactions-Here-What-Critics-Saying-72250.html


I'd be surprised if end credits doesn't have our first Spidey showing. total guess tho, going to prob stay away from any more articles/previews and go in blind, hopefully will surpass expectations.

The 3rd act is hella fun, Corey Stoll as Darren Cross is a true villain who needed to get got and T.I. & Michael Pena both stole the movie.

Sadly, the two end credits scenes are VERY CRUCIAL.

>and T.I. & Michael Pena
>both stole the movie.

Specifically TI. Because how?

They're great, great supporting characters.

I really hope they can somehow land in another MCU film.

If what I saw in the preview is any indication of the film itself, It's going to be a soft hit. I'm just glad it didn't turn into garbage with the director changes and all.

>If what I saw in the preview is any indication of the film
>itself, It's going to be a soft hit. I'm just glad it didn't
>turn into garbage with the director changes and all.


I still want Marvel to win, even if it's w/this BS

I ain't gon see this shit. Spill, my dude.

So a big part of the film is what happened to Janet van Dyne aka Wasp. I don't wanna go too much into that but, the first credits scene reveals Janet and Hank were working on a advanced Wasp suit. And Hope is now the new Wasp.


So, the second end credits sequence Falcon finds Bucky and Cap tells Falcon that having Bucky around is not gonna fly and they need to be covert. Falcon then says he knows a guy referencing Scott/Ant-Man, as Falcon has a major supporting role in the film. I think the very last scene/joke of the film they also make Scott an Avenger.

I took "I know a guy" to mean Dr. Strange, as someone to break Bucky's indoctrination.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/08/ant-man-review?utm_source=IGN%20hub%20page&utm_medium=IGN%20(front%20page)&utm_content=4&utm_campaign=Coverstory

i'm glad this movie didn't turn into a shit show. the trailers had me less than excited but i'll see this now that its looking pretty good.

shitting on The Winter Solider is an ass.

>shitting on The Winter Solider is an ass.

anyone shitting on TWS for ANY reason isn't worth having the discussion with.

I don't think rankings are necessary. It was just a fun ass movie.

If you're gonna watch a Marvel movie in 3D, this is the one. They finally do a good job at explaining why they're not calling the Avengers. Michael Pena absolutely steals the show.

This isn't a "the universe is about to explode/giant portals in the sky" type of movie. It's a fairly simple heist movie, with a superhero at the center. The stakes suit the film nicely, and Marvel should consider making more films like this-- single hero stories, without the need for Avengers, etc.

Terrific cast-- weird to think that Rudd (who is good) is the *least* interesting part of a film, but here we are. Once Lang accepts his role as The Ant-Man, the movie from then on is kind of a blast. It gets legitimately *weird* for the last 20-30 minutes, which, again, is a welcome change for Marvel. It makes me really excited for what they'll hopefully let Derrickson do with Doctor Strange.

I suspect most of the negative reviews will spend at least one sentence crying over what could have been with Edgar Wright, when there's really no point. Yes, that film *probably* would have been better, because Wright is an exemplary filmmaker (certainly he would've found a way to finesse some of the more awkward expository beats in the first act, easily the weakest part of the film). Peyton Reed has made a number of good films too, though, and he has made another one here. Critics shouldn't punish this film for not being the imaginary film by a great director they've composed in their heads.

It never hits the highest of Marvel high notes (sits safely behind things like Cap 2, GOTG, Avengers)... but man, that third act in particular is a big-time winner. This may be "middle-of-the-pack" Marvel, but Marvel's got a hell of a pack, so that's not a bad place to be in the slightest.

Good take - I agree

>It never hits the highest of Marvel high notes (sits safely behind things like Cap 2, GOTG, Avengers)... but man, that third act in particular is a big-time winner. This may be "middle-of-the-pack" Marvel, but Marvel's got a hell of a pack, so that's not a bad place to be in the slightest.


Fun movie, liked it - that end credit makes more hype for Cap 3

so we went to see it. That was a fun ass movie. It was funny. The Mexican cat was hilarious. Every single time he told a story I was dying. Probably because I know several of my people who tell stories just like that. Same accent and clothes. Anyway the fight scenes were really well done. Especially the final battle. Everything about it was great. A really really fun flick. I hope it does good numbers. My theater was pretty empty. But everyone seemed to be laughing and enjoying the ride.

very well done. good mix of humor and action. the MCU tie-ins/cameos weren't forced and fit well with the story.

Anyone saying "Marvel movies are all the same" after seeing Ant Man? I don't know what to tell you. They made a (mostly) self-contained comedic heist movie as a follow up to the big all star crossover sequel and I love it.

...i was one of those cats who, after hearing about the original writer/directors departure, was admittedly a little concerned...

i was worried that this one wasn't going to work...

i avoid trailers until after i've seen the movie. that said, i've seen a few snippets of Ant man clips, and honestly they didn't pull me in or make me want to see this flick...

so yeah, honestly, going in i didn't think this one was gonna do it...

in short, i was wrong....

this was a fun, self aware, tight little movie, and i had a thoroughly good time with this one.

i'll say it. I had more fun in this one than in Avengers 2.

the scope of this movie was smaller which made the 'heart & soul' of this movie more easy to find. I need a movie to have a heart & soul to make me wanna see it multiple times...and i wanna see this one again.

entire cast was all great. there were a lot of fun little moments all over the place in this movie.

i hope people give this one a chance, because i'll be damned if they didn't pull it off and make a damn good movie here. it deserves to do well. it deserves to be another hit.

I don't think it's as good as Guardians but it's a sweet yet not too sweet movie with some very fun and inventive action scenes.

>I don't think it's as good as Guardians but it's a sweet yet
>not too sweet movie with some very fun and inventive action
>scenes.

yep.

i don't want folks to think that i didn't enjoy myself in Ultron or anything, because i did.
And its probably not fair to compare these two movies either because Ultron is a different kind of flick really, with a much larger scope than Ant Man....(Ultron had a WHOLE LOT of stuff going on plot wise, tie-in-wise etc, with a WHOLE LOT of characters to squeeze & cram into essentially the same amount of time)...so when you think about it...theres almost no way to avoid the loss of at least some of the 'heart & soul' in that scenario....

and i think this Ant Man movie's small scope and singular focus allowed the essence and characters to be fleshed out in a way that lets the viewers get to know (and thus enjoy) even the SECOND & THIRD level supporting characters more. The entire cast had reasons, and moments. I had JUST as much fun with Langs sidekicks as i did with the main characters. I want THEM back in the next Ant movie as much as i want Ant man back. thats part of what helps make this movie feel 'alive'...characters have enough time to breath and be realized and fleshed out enough for us to have something 'real' to hold onto...

Marvel take note...with Daredevil and AntMan, i think you've got the right mindset again....keep the focus on just TELLING GOOD STORIES, and creating real believable CHARACTERS that are true to themselves....all the rest will fall into place....(that 'universe building' thing that you like to do should just be a 'nice to have' here and there but only where & when it makes sense. PLEASE don't let that tendency to want to 'connect everything to everything else in the M.C. universe' keep you from telling damn good 'one off, self contained' stories that dont directly tie into the 'universal story arch'...sometimes those one off stories are the cream of the crop.

for me the most magical memorable Xfiles episodes were the one-offs that didn't directly tie into their bigger story arch. (and their bigger overall story arch became so over-bloated and convoluted that i stopped caring about it after a while, because since they were focusing on that overarching storyline it seemed to me that they started to lose their ability to tell a good singularly focused story)...so i eventually tapped out....just saying....


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I did get a Wright feel on the parts where Pena would tell his stories though. I wonder how many of his left over parts were in the film.

I agree with Longo, I enjoyed a "smaller" Marvel film that doesn't have the weight of the entire world/universe needing to be saved.

Marvel can make a killing with these lesser know superheroes that are too big for TV but can have cheaper budgets than the Avengers/Sups vs Bats types of films.

as anyone else, woulda loved to seen Wright's vision in full, but i also love what we got. was DYING at Michael Peña's scenes. even David Dastmalchian and Tip were pretty hilarious in the small parts they had.

i was SO hopin he'd end up in the quantum field. and he did. and i was stoned. and it was awesome lol.

V.

Falcon in the film. Hopefully Black Panther isn't getting his ass kicked around by the "superior" white heroes. Other than that, this movie delivered.

you're disappointed that the black guy lost a minor scuffle to a guy with some tech he's never seen or dealt with before? so if he wasn't black that would have just been a cool scene?

>you're disappointed that the black guy lost a minor scuffle
>to a guy with some tech he's never seen or dealt with before?
>so if he wasn't black that would have just been a cool scene?

It wouldn't have happened to one of the white avengers. They're too powerful.

Hawkeye, too, maybe.

>It wouldn't have happened to one of the white avengers.
>They're too powerful.

...no shit. Even in the comics, the character isn't exactly a powerhouse. Frankly I don't see how he ever picks up the Cap mantle because he's not on that level. At all.

The Pym tech though? That's some new shit that would give even Cap fits. You're so busy trying to make this a racial issue that you refuse to look at the logic behind your rant, which is seriously lacking merit.

hard to beat a guy who can shrink and expand at will without super powers.

only reason cap might get him is because of serum-enhanced reflexes and a well-thrown shield

Sam held his own against someone with powers/tech that not only had he never seen before, but in the universe of this film wasn't even known to exist. Even Cross initially thought the Ant Man technology was just a myth, and he devoted himself to replicating it. Tony Stark probably doesn't even know this is possible (there's nothing indicating Howard ever told him or anyone else about it.) Given all that, how is anyone supposed to prepare/fight this?

>Sam held his own against someone with powers/tech that not
>only had he never seen before, but in the universe of this
>film wasn't even known to exist. Even Cross initially thought
>the Ant Man technology was just a myth, and he devoted himself
>to replicating it. Tony Stark probably doesn't even know this
>is possible (there's nothing indicating Howard ever told him
>or anyone else about it.) Given all that, how is anyone
>supposed to prepare/fight this?

Do you think that same thing would have happened to Cap, Ironman, Thor, Vision, etc.? It had nothing to do with being prepared. Falcon is just a lower tier Avenger that they didn't mind doing that too.

>Do you think that same thing would have happened to Cap,
>Ironman, Thor, Vision, etc.? It had nothing to do with being
>prepared. Falcon is just a lower tier Avenger that they didn't
>mind doing that too.

Captain America has super soldier serum in him but would probably have struggled initially against Ant-Man much like he wasn't ready for Quicksilver at first.

Ironman has tech that would have probably been susceptible to the same treatment that Falcon's tech was (seeing as how Falcon's tech more than likely came from Tony).

Thor is not human and neither is Vision, so I'm not sure where you're going there.

let's also not forget that as of the end of AoU Tony and Thor aren't even there so....

and if you REALLY want to get technical, Falcon didn't get "beat up" so much as his tech was compromised. but ya know, whatevs.

My point is that the Black characters in the Marvel Movie Universe are among the weaker ones. It remains to be seen what they do with Black Panther. Falcon done got his ass kicked by the Winter Soldier, Cross Bones and Ant-Man.

and Falcon pretty much fought Crossbones to a stand still before the Helicarrier crash.

as far as the black characters being weaker, I'm not so sure about that. Nick Fury isn't weak. I'll agree that War Machine is under used, but I wouldn't say weak. I'll guess we'll see how Black Panther turns out. seeing as how he's getting his own movie, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he won't be weak.

so, again, you're reaching.







ps - Luke Cage sounds like he's gonna be pretty awesome on Netflix. so there's that. does Gamora count?

>and Falcon pretty much fought Crossbones to a stand still
>before the Helicarrier crash.
>
>as far as the black characters being weaker, I'm not so sure
>about that. Nick Fury isn't weak. I'll agree that War
>Machine is under used, but I wouldn't say weak. I'll guess
>we'll see how Black Panther turns out. seeing as how he's
>getting his own movie, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he
>won't be weak.
>
>so, again, you're reaching.

How is Nick Fury not weak? Who on that Avengers squad can he beat?
I know he's great at hand to hand combat but he's not strong enough to go head up with any of the Avengers outside of the only lower tier members.

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>ps - Luke Cage sounds like he's gonna be pretty awesome on
>Netflix. so there's that. does Gamora count?

We'll see when it comes out.

>>so, again, you're reaching.
>
>How is Nick Fury not weak? Who on that Avengers squad can he
>beat?
>I know he's great at hand to hand combat but he's not strong
>enough to go head up with any of the Avengers outside of the
>only lower tier members.

what? so if nick fury was white like in the comics but still weak this wouldn't be a problem? coulson ain't beating none of the avengers either. hawkeye? weak. also white. black widow, white. not beating any of the avengers you mentioned either.

i mean, i agree that they do minorities dirty in movies, but this particular argument i'm not seeing.

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>>>so, again, you're reaching.
>>
>>How is Nick Fury not weak? Who on that Avengers squad can he
>>beat?
>>I know he's great at hand to hand combat but he's not strong
>>enough to go head up with any of the Avengers outside of the
>>only lower tier members.
>
>what? so if nick fury was white like in the comics but still
>weak this wouldn't be a problem? coulson ain't beating none of
>the avengers either. hawkeye? weak. also white. black widow,
>white. not beating any of the avengers you mentioned either.
>
>i mean, i agree that they do minorities dirty in movies, but
>this particular argument i'm not seeing.

You can afford to have weaker white characters. The most powerful ones are white. Thor, Ironman, Cap, etc.

It ain't that deep. It was an Avenger watching the perimeter. The only other likely person to do so (Hawkeye) "quit" to go back to his family. Be mad Falcon is kinda a weak character in general since inception, but to be like "Why Ant Man gotta piece up a black super hero?" in this situation makes me feel sad that you can't enjoy an enjoyable scene.

Me? I'm happy Falcon got some shine here. First, it felt like a comic cameo, the likes of which we haven't seen them take advantage of yet. That was essentially the two page cameo joke that makes the universe feel real. And secondly (to me), it makes Falcon that much more of an important character as it shows that they are willing to use him across properties and that they find him to be recognizable enough that they wanted him to be the thing to tie a seemingly independent Marvel film to the greater universe. Including the decision to use him in the last few weeks in TV ads to bolster the box office when they started feeling like it wasn't going to perform up to standards.

I'm not trying to discredit your feelings. That's how you feel and I respect that. I'm just saying, looking at the greater picture, I can't see how that would be what you focus on.

I have a problem seriously but you aren't trying to discredit my feeling. Yeah right dude. You feel how you feel and I feel the way I do. I don't dig the Black characters being minor or sidekicks to the superior white characters. End of story.

>I have a problem seriously but you aren't trying to discredit
>my feeling. Yeah right dude.

I was riffing on your screenname, bruh. Come on. It was a joke.

There's A LOT of Black disregard in movies/TV/(life) that is too subtle to call out every time and the noise you hear back barely makes it worth it.
The annoyance is enhanced by other Black people that tell you to shut up, but you can only see it build while the people that are effected willfully turn a blind eye.
/soapbox

He's just a dude with metal wings and a jetpack on his back, no special powers or anything.

Shit.

He wasn't kicking everyone's ass in the comics either, IMO they made him pretty tough in CA:WS, I'm not sure what you are expecting this guy to do.

BP is getting his own feature, I'm positive he will whoop plenty of ass in it, along with any Avengers flick he is in. PB would kick Falcon's ass 9.5 times out of 10, the only thing they have in common is that they are both black, not even on the same level whatsoever.

Hawkeye ain't shit either, and Quicksilver died.

>Hawkeye ain't shit either, and Quicksilver died.

You also have the other godly white characters so the few minor/weak ones are okay to have. So far all of the Black characters are weak. We'll see what they do with Black Panther.

....really fun, cool movie... EVERYONE does a great job in here.... Rudd is able to play it st8 most of the time, which is a cool lil change....Stoll is a great villan...i liked that i could honestly see his "side" of things....i didn't even realize that was ole girl from "Lost" til the end LOL...

...the concisness of the movie and characters involved give the movie more "heart" than many of the other marvel movies....

the showing i went to seemed to have alot of folks in there seeing it a secong time....i might do the same on Sunday....

i didn't think it was the best martvel movie, but it's definitely different, and very, very good...my only complaint is i wasn't sure why Lang's ex wife acted like dude was a deadbeat during the first part of the movie....the story plays like he only did the ONE burglary, and for interesting reasons, but we almost get the sense that he did more, unmentioned "jobs"

Good fun, great cast, self contained (mostly), cool Easter eggs, finally introduced the last 2 original comic book Avengers, and ultimately it's pretty funny and does not take itself too seriously.

I think the general consensus is still that the best 5 movies are, in some order, Iron Man, The Avengers, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Avengers: Age of Ultron... I personally really like The Incredible Hulk, and I think Ant-Man will ultimately fall in with that one.

Very good movie.
Grade B+

beef couldn't have been abt 1 basically throwaway scene with falcon, right

had to be other stuff going on that marvel didn't jive with
even if it was just weird scenes/setups, GotG should have gave them the confidence to take chances

isn't the subatomic universe supposed to help set up dr. strange?

maybe wright didn't want all of that in there?

do you think he wanted hope to suit up in the film and marvel wanted to save that for civil war?


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The entire film is leading toward the subatomic realm. I'd be stunned if that wasn't in the original script.

I'd imagine it was more stuff like the opening scene and/or the fight with Falcon, regarding tie-ins.

He probably just didn't like being told what he could and couldn't put in there. They monitor how their characters are portrayed very carefully-- it wouldn't surprise me at all if he just kind of got fed up with being nudged in corporate directions. Reed is more used to making that sort of thing work anyway-- it worked out probably in the best interests of everyone.

based on bits of intel and interviews etc, this article from D.O.G. does a really good job of breaking down which elements may have started as Wrights and which started as Reeds...

"Which parts of Ant-Man are Peyton Reed's, and which are down to Edgar Wright? We've been taking a look...

This article contains major spoilers for Ant-Man.

When Edgar Wright departed Marvel Studios’ Ant-Man project after years of work, there was no shortage of internet outrage on the matter. When Peyton Reed of Yes Man and Bring It On stepped in to direct the film, he signed up for a hell of a lot of scrutiny.

The finished film has garnered plenty of positive reviews, though, and its opening weekend at the box office has proven the film to be a hit (although a smaller one by Marvel standards). One question remains, though – how would Edgar Wright’s version have been different to Peyton Reed’s completed film?

Here’s our breakdown of what elements came from which director’s tenure at the helm, from what we've managed to gleam.




CONCEPT:

Just how massive were the post-Edgar Wright Ant-Man rewrites? Did they rejig the entire story? Well, it would seem that the central ‘spine’ of the movie came from Wright’s initial script drafts with Joe Cornish.

According to a detailed article from the fine folk at io9, here’s some insight about Reed’s thoughts on the original draft:

"Reed described Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish’s original Ant-Man script as the 'spine' of the final movie. 'It’s a heist movie, and it is sort of the passing the torch from Hank to Scott', he said. 'It’s this kind of bent mentor/pupil story'. But tonally, he says, the movie changed once the directors changed and Rudd and Adam McKay started reworking the script."

Conclusion: it’s unclear exactly what these ‘tonal’ changes were, but the decision to focus the film on Hank passing the Ant-Man torch to Scott via a heist movie structure came from Wright and Cornish.





CASTING:

Peyton Reed came on board with Ant-Man without much time before production properly began. It shouldn’t come as a huge surprise, then, that the big casting decisions were already made. Indeed, you may remember that Rudd and Douglas were already cast when Reed joined up.

Another quote from the io9 article here: "Wright has had another, immense contribution to the final movie: He cast the main characters. 'I mean we’ve cast additional actors since then', Reed said, 'but the core group are just beautifully cast. Like, to me, to me Hank Pym is one of the most compelling characters in the Marvel comics world and to have Michael Douglas play that guy where there’s just clearly a huge, grey area in this guy and... sometimes, with that character, you wonder if he’s sane. That’s perfect casting to me'".

Conclusion: The big names were Wright, some more recent additions were Reed.




DESIGN:

The visual world of Ant-Man treads a lot of entirely original ground for a Marvel movie. In our own interview with Peyton Reed, he confirmed that his own visual flourishes and ideas definitely helped shape the design of certain elements.

“When I came on, Shepherd Frankel became the production designer,” Reed told us. ”So, Shepherd and I worked really closely and designed. He designed all the Pym Tech stuff, all that stuff.”

“Russell Carpenter, the cinematographer, I brought on to the movie. Russell was someone I’d wanted to work with for a long time,” he added. “He was really into… like, I said ‘the shrinking stuff has to look as photorealistic as possible’… and we talked about macrophotography and all that stuff.”

Peyton Reed was present when the core designs for Pym Tech and the visual world were being developed, then. However, It would be remiss not to mention that Edgar Wright’s test footage from 2012 featured an Ant-Man suit and a visual style to the miniaturisation that was definitely reflected in the finished product.

Conclusion: A bit of both - Edgar’s early footage clearly had an influence, but it sounds like Peyton Reed was involved in the core discussions of Pym Tech design and creating the visual style of the shrunken-perspective environments.



SCORE:

Ant-Man has a memorable score that blends jazzy, heist-y motifs with a more classic superhero sound. And, as he mentioned when he spoke to him, Peyton Reed was directly involved at that stage of production.

"Then, you know, Christophe Beck did the score for the movie - who I’d worked with on Bring It On, my first movie", Reed explained. "And I wanted a theme. I wanted a recognisable superhero theme. To me, it felt like a long time since I was a kid and Richard Donner’s Superman: The Movie had that, such an identifiable John Williams theme."

"And Chris, I felt like, just knocked it out of the park. And it’s a jazzy thing, and it has a very heist-y feel to it as well," he elaborated.

Conclusion: Peyton Reed all the way on this one. Christophe Beck wasn’t involved until Reed came on board.




CHARACTER DEPTH:

Hope van Dyne, as played by Evangeline Lilly, has a sizeable part to play in the finished film. She teaches Scott to punch, helps with all the missions and pops up during the credits, too.

Apparently, some of this came from Adam McKay and Paul Rudd’s post-Wright-departure rewrites. Here's what io9 uncovered.

"Lilly explained that she approached Rudd while he and McKay were working on their draft and asked 'hey, why don’t you beef up my character?' The result is that Hope gets a larger arc in Reed’s movie, along with some 'physical stuff' that wasn’t in the Wright and Cornish draft."

Corey Stoll’s Yellowjacket is a less fully-fleshed-out character. Regardless, Stoll told io9 that his character was ‘pushed’ and ‘deepened’ by the post-Wright drafts.

Conclusion: Wright first introduced the characters, but it sounds like McKay and Rudd’s Reed-era re-writes certainly promoted at least one character..




The QUANTUM REALM:

The Quantum Realm (known as the Microverse in the comics) is the scary Interstellar-ending-alike trippy tiny world where Paul Rudd’s Scott gets stuck in the film’s third act. When he ‘goes subatomic’ in a bid to defeat Yellowjacket he ends up in The Quantum Realm, perpetually shrinking until he uses his noggin to find a way out. Peyton Reed told Uproxx how this idea came to be in the film:

"Well, I came on about the same time that Adam McKay and Rudd were doing rewrites. And I’ve known McKay for some time and we talked on the phone and we were both really jazzed about the idea of, in the third act, in a movie in which we will have seen shrinking a bunch, let’s take it even further in the third act and introduce what, in the comics, was the Microverse, in what we call The Quantum Realm."

Reed went on to mention that "creating this moment of self-sacrifice where he has to go into the quantum realm to save his daughter, that was something that was never in those drafts that Adam and I brought to it".

"It owes a little bit to 2001," Reed explained, "and then there’s a The Twilight Zone episode that Richard Matheson wrote called Little Girl Lost, where a little girl sort of falls into the wall. Something opens up and she’s in this whole other dimension. And it freaked me out as a kid, and I love the idea, so we did an inverse version of that where the dad is now in there and the daughter is back in reality."

Conclusion: Mark this one in the Peyton Reed column. The Quantum Realm – and the stunning visual sequence it enables – only came about thanks to Reed and Adam McKay’s discussions.




FALCON FISTICUFFS:

In Ant-Man, Paul Rudd’s Scott goes on a mission to steal a vital piece of tech from an old Stark warehouse. But it turns out that it’s an Avengers Facility now and Anthony Mackie’s Falcon is on guard duty today.

Then follows some in-flight fighting with some miniaturisation thrown in, too. It’s a fun sequence, but one that jars a little due to its blatant nods and winks to fans of the wider Marvel cinematic universe. Most people would probably guess that this one wasn’t Edgar Wright’s idea, and they’d be right.

"Adam came up with the idea that in every heist movie, there’s a trial by fire and they’ve got everything in line for the heist, but we need this one thing," Reed told Uproxx.

"Adam pitched that idea of sending Scott on a mission for which he’s not quite prepared and he comes up against another Marvel character. That blew my mind, and particularity with that specific character ," he added.

Speaking of his own opinions on the scene, Reed said: "that, to me, worked in a really organic way. It wasn’t like 'oh, let’s put him up against this other guy'. It served a plot point; a purpose in our story."

Conclusion: Adam McKay and Peyton Reed came up with this idea, resulting in a scene that has split opinion down the middle, it would seem.




MICHAEL PEñA’s tips:

Here’s one that surprised this writer. Remember those two scenes where Michael Peña’s Luis told hilariously elongated stories before getting to a fairly simple point? They garner some of the biggest laughs in the film.

Well, here’s what Peyton Reed told Uproxx about them. "The other things that we really brought to it, when we started working with Michael Peña, if Scott’s going to make this decision to turn back to a life of crime and comes in and says ‘tell me about that tip,’ I love the idea of we created these ‘tip montages'".

"That was something that never existed in the original drafts", Reed confirmed, "and I wanted to bring to it. And the production writers at the time, Andrew Barrer and Gabriel Ferrari, had been working with Paul, so they wrote those tip montages, which we then reprise at the end to tee up how the movie ends."

Thus, some of the most off-the-wall humour in the film came from Andrew Barrer and Gabriel Ferrari’s drafts, under the stewardship of Peyton Reed and Paul Rudd. While these knowing cutaway gags initially seem like pure Edgar Wright, they actually came into the script a long time after his departure. We can assume, then, that Wright’s Stan Lee cameo (if he had one in mind) would have come at a different point, too.

Conclusion: Peyton Reed all the way, with the actual lines written by Andrew Barrer and Gabriel Ferrari.




MID-CREDITS STING:

As you know, Ant-Man has two credits stings. The mid-credits scene sees Evangeline Lilly’s Hope van Dyne finally get offered a chance to suit up. After a whole film’s worth of being held back by her worrywart father, she’s set to fulfil her destiny and become Wasp.

If you were looking to guess which bits were studio mandates, this scene may seem like a late-in-the-day Marvel Studios shoehorn jobbie. However, it was actually in the script from the start.

"It was really always planned to be at the end of this movie," Peyton Reed told us. "Her arc is every bit as important as Scott’s arc in this movie, and this movie is about the formation of her as a hero, as much as it is to Scott. And that was important, to have in the movie."

Conclusion: Edgar Wright’s tenure by the sounds of it. The idea certainly predates Reed’s involvement.




POST-CREDITS STING:

Ant-Man’s post-credits scene features Anthony Mackie’s Falcon and Chris Evans’ Captain America debating what to do with a newly-found Bucky. Seeing as Falcon says "I know a guy" (a direct call-back to a Michael Douglas line from earlier in the film), you might initially think this scene was written exclusively for Ant-Man.

It’s actually not. The scene is from the Russo brothers’ Captain America: Civil War, due out next year. Reed told us how the scene came to be at the end of the Ant-Man credits. "These dailies came down, and Kevin said ‘come look at this stuff, look at this exchange – it’s interesting,’ and it feels like closure to what’s happening between those characters in our movie. And I love the idea, because I love that it ends with Mackie saying ‘I know a guy’ and then BOOM ‘Ant-Man will return,’ James Bond style, you know?"

So, the second sting wasn’t added until late in the day, and the idea for it came down directly from studio boss Kevin Feige.

Conclusion: Reed’s tenure, Feige’s initial idea, Russo brothers’ scene. Simple.




It's a rough overview, certainly, but as many have concluded, Ant-Man is a mix of ideas and styles - although crucially, it was Peyton Reed on set directing the movie. Concept, casting and the ‘spine’ of the movie came from Wright and Cornish (we'd wager hard cash that Thomas The Tank Engine's cameo was theirs too), but a lot of changes occurred during Reed, McKay and Rudd’s tenure at the helm.

Thanks to Uproxx, io9, and Peyton Reed."

That feels so weird that I would've assumed it was Wright. Not surprised re: the Falcon's involvement.

I wonder what the original ending was. Maybe one day someone will leak that script.

...that evil SHIELD guy made off with.

Funny to hear that it wasn't at all.

better than both Thors, first Cap IMO, and all the Ironmans (i'm in the extreme minority, I don't fuck with any of them tough)

Michael Pena is a national treasure do is effortlessly charismatic and funny

>better than both Thors, first Cap IMO, and all the Ironmans
>(i'm in the extreme minority, I don't fuck with any of them
>tough)
>
>Michael Pena is a national treasure do is effortlessly
>charismatic and funny

I like it more than all of those too. I do like the IM movies though.