hey -- what are some tv shows that replaced their stars and remained successful afterwards? successful is defined as still being successful in ratings and staying on air for 2 or more years after the replacement. here are the two that i can think of:

- valerie/the hogan family: like, damn, how can you name a show AFTER someone....then viciously kill their character off in a car accident? that's crazy as hell. show ran for 4 seasons afterwards on NBC & CBS though.

- 90210: shannon doherty, i guess, wasn't technically the *star* -- however, her & her twin brother moving & adjusting to beverly hills was the premise of the show. they replaced her with tiffani-amber thiessen and ran for 6 more years after she left the show.

any other examples? i left off "family matters" b/c it was clearly urkel's show by the time jo marie peyton noble, for whom the show had been created, left the show.

edit: so i don't mean replacing becky on roseanne or something like that (see replies 3 & 4). i mean replacing the STAR of the show. the main character. one of the people for whom the show was created or was created around.

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Diane was replaceable. If Sam left, the show woulda sucked.

Sam was strong - but we were following Dianne's journey for the first year.

or was that around the time Frazier came on the scene?

Season 1 was romance
Season 2 ended up with breakup
Season 3 starts with her institutionalized where she meets Fraiser.
Season 4 ends with her in the convent.
Season 5 she leaves to become a writer?

She shows up on Fraiser one an episode too.

so, no.

aunt Viv turned into a chubby light skinned woman but the show just kept it moving...although the first Aunt Viv was better imo, it didnt hurt the show at all

if fresh prince was suddenly replaced with kid from kid'n'play, then that example would count.

it shoulda ended one season earlier then they wouldn't have had to replace Harriet

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But Sheen did a good job.

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Langston is good character.

the show is not as good anymore... yes it is still better than any of it's franchises but William Petersen made that show and I say that as a huge longtime Fishburne fanatic... anyways that's the deal IMO

and remember its been running for eleven years now...

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who the hell watched the last 2 seasons of the x-files? really, who watched it after the movie when the UFO came out the ice in antarctica?

>who the hell watched the last 2 seasons of the x-files?

The seasons with Agent Reyes and The Terminator ate my soul...but I stuck with it.

I won't pretend the show was any good either. Shit was TERRIBLE. But again, I'd invested YEARS into it, and wanted to see it through.


>really, who watched it after the movie when the UFO came out
>the ice in antarctica?

Again. Ya boy did. And to be honest, I thought the movie was aight. They lied when they said it would explain everything, but it's was ok for what it was. The SECOND movie though? Stir-Fried Shit.

>>who the hell watched the last 2 seasons of the x-files?
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>The seasons with Agent Reyes and The Terminator ate my
>soul...but I stuck with it.
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>I won't pretend the show was any good either. Shit was
>TERRIBLE. But again, I'd invested YEARS into it, and wanted to
>see it through.

LOL. I just....couldn't. They went too far w/the conspiracy. They dialed it back with the new guy (pair?) though, right?

>>really, who watched it after the movie when the UFO came out
>>the ice in antarctica?
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>Again. Ya boy did. And to be honest, I thought the movie was
>aight. They lied when they said it would explain everything,
>but it's was ok for what it was. The SECOND movie though?
>Stir-Fried Shit.

oh, the first movie was definitely good. what i meant by my comment was....where do you go after that? lol, they could've just ended the whole thing w/that type of sh!t. lol @ watching the 2nd movie....you were REALLY a die-hard!

that the onscreen chemistry between mulder and scully was still there. why the fuck didn't they have a better story to tell?

I dunno, the chemistry worked so well because they were only just close friends, not lovers.

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Why do I know so many of these?

katey sagal was already on the show. i don't think this fits the parameters of the post.

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it said katey sagal basically became the star of the show.

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But it paid for Scatman Crothers cranium polishing wax for that period of time .

Then, you know, they figured out what the word ensemble meant.


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Shows that did:

M*A*S*H,
Three's Company
NYPD Blue

Shows that did, but the success of the move is debatable:

Bewitched (The OG of replacing a main character)
Good Times
That 70's Show

had talent remaining to keep it alive. MASH lost the first general guy, Frank, Trapper, Radar...


I actually prefer the BJ & Winchester years, though.

Threes Company would have died w/o Tripper.

>Bewitched (The OG of replacing a main character)
don't mean a main character, i mean THE main character....like if they brought in lucille ball to replace elizabeth montgomery lol

>Good Times
>That 70's Show

again with these, i mean REPLACING the star, not just soldiering on w/o him or her.

>>Bewitched (The OG of replacing a main character)
>don't mean a main character, i mean THE main character....like
>if they brought in lucille ball to replace elizabeth
>montgomery lol

I will argue that Bewitched is a show about Samantha and Darrin. The show was billed as starring Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York (with Agnes Moorehead). The plots revolve around each of their activities and their interplay. Their screen time is pretty much equal. Dick York didn't show his belly button. Darrin is one of the two main characters on the show. Did Elizabeth Montgomery get more shine? Sure. So did Bronson Pinchot but Mark Linn-Baker was absolutely a main character.

especially since i uncritically accepted "cheers" as an example.

She was the "fish out of water" character that was thrust into the bartending world. And she brought in the other cultures. I'd argue she was the lead for the first couple of year.

They definitely had a lot of early plots focusing on Diane like with her mother losing her money or the guy who left her coming back.

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it's like i don't even consider the first season "real" ADW lmao....this is a MAJOR example though!

Once Dwayne moved on I think we all did.

didn't need a cosby show: when claire met cliff (which is basically what the whole dwayne/denise thing was)

>didn't need a cosby show: when claire met cliff (which is
>basically what the whole dwayne/denise thing was)


i never thought of it like that, but you're right...

then the show markedly got better...

nothing against lisa bonet, because she's talented but it was clear that cosby created that show just to keep her quiet and happy post the angel heart debacle and no one bothered to TAILOR it around Denise's quirky and interesting ass.

to run the show. the 1st season was run by the woman who ran "square pegs"....it wasn't a show abt life at a black college, it was a generic 80s comedy w/black characters. debbie allen made it what it was.

Ensemble I know, but that show was Clooney's...then la salle's,...then edwards'...then tierneys...then cardilini's...

it just kept going. and eventually revived itself as being pretty damn good.

after the tragedy

Although I'd argue Dave Foley was the main character

I just wanted to throw one out there.

They KILLED HIM, had an entire season after they killed him, then needed him back on the show so badly just decided that that entire season was a dream sequence.

...cause i wonda been talikin a nice bump after what they did...

...he basically had them by the balls. That's a real good position to be in when negotiating.






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successful is debatable, but they got rid of Dylan McDermott and several others, and replaced them with James Spader, Rhona Mitra; later adding Shatner and Lake Bell(ewwww) in a recurring roles.

The show ended up getting cancelled, but Spader won the first of 3 Emmy's for the playing Alan Shore, and a new show was created for him and the other new editions.

her and Rhona made great visual entertainment...

mostly because the Sally Heep character was wack as fuck. The show got so much better they broke her Alan up, and then fired her.

Co-sign on Rhona though.

>her and Rhona made great visual entertainment...

like, seriously, this is the STARTING POINT for this topic. geesh. what's weirder is that it took so many replies for someone to say it!

i mean the series stayed replacing the head guys/gals in charge.

& only 2 permanently replaced members of their ensembles (DS9 & Voyager). none of them fit in this conversation. not as familiar with stargate.

>& only 2 permanently replaced members of their ensembles (DS9
>& Voyager). none of them fit in this conversation. not as
>familiar with stargate.

it was a team
and they replaced the head of the team who was there for 8 seasons
(he just wanted to retire though)
they continued for two more seasons though

also daniel jackson disappeared in a middle season but came back
like season 7

don't remember if he was replaced exactly


also they kinda did guest appearances and wotnot

not sure if this counts in the spirit of the discussion
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Johnny Depp left
Richard Greco replaced him

>hey -- what are some tv shows that replaced their stars and
>remained successful afterwards? successful is defined as still
>being successful in ratings and staying on air for 2 or more
>years after the replacement. here are the two that i can think
>of:
>
>- valerie/the hogan family: like, damn, how can you name a
>show AFTER someone....then viciously kill their character off
>in a car accident? that's crazy as hell. show ran for 4
>seasons afterwards on NBC & CBS though.
>
>- 90210: shannon doherty, i guess, wasn't technically the
>*star* -- however, her & her twin brother moving & adjusting
>to beverly hills was the premise of the show. they replaced
>her with tiffani-amber thiessen and ran for 6 more years after
>she left the show.
>
>any other examples? i left off "family matters" b/c it was
>clearly urkel's show by the time jo marie peyton noble, for
>whom the show had been created, left the show.
>
>edit: so i don't mean replacing becky on roseanne or something
>like that (see replies 3 & 4). i mean replacing the STAR of
>the show. the main character. one of the people for whom the
>show was created or was created around.

They were both on the show during its 3rd season. Johnny Depp did leave after season four, along with Dustin Nguyen, but the show only lasted 1 season in syndication.

keaton was orignally supposed to be jack and die in the pilot and kate was supposed to be the main character of the show.

this is all prior to the show's launch though, so i dunno.

because Ferguson took over The Late Late Show too.

And then you might as well throw in Greg Kinnear on Talk Soup.

But I'm not sure any of those qualify for this post, this post is more Valerie/Different World from what I can tell.

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>David Caruso replaced w/Jimmy Smits.........

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You could argue that Coach Taylor is the star of the show (and you maybe wouldn't be wrong), but the fact that it jettisoned most everyone else in the cast after Season 3 (and smartly avoided the high school TV trap of kids "just hanging around" after they graduated) and was still able to bring in new kids to care about and keep the momentum going, well, that was pretty damn impressive, if I do say so myself...

Miss Bliss was outta there...