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455451, LOL. You can do better than that.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Jun-05-09 10:20 AM

You probably shouldn't have written that without having
seen the film, because you look like an idiot now,
and unfortunately, now I have to tell you why.


>And your rather shrill defense of the film doesn't convince
>me that you're being completely honest when you call it a
>masterpiece.

LOL.

What, specifically, is "shrill" about it? I provided
specific examples and backed up every claim. Just
because I made fun of people like you in the process
doesn't mean the review was disingenuous.

You are just skeptical about my review because I'm writing
about Tyler Perry, and deep down inside you feel that he's
not capable of making a "masterpiece" because he's well...
...Tyler Perry. And the rest of your post sort of tips me
off to these preconceived notions and biases.

>Million Dollar Baby was over hyped. Crash was a piece of
>sentimental drivel. Syriana, while entertaining wasn't nearly
>as deep or complex as they made it out to be.

Agreed.

>But guess what, none of these films are really going to be
>discussed 10 years down the line, at least not beyond the
>pretentious discussions of film nerds, and even then I don't
>see them coming up all that much.

Disgree. 'Crash' most certainly will be discussed, for a
long, long, time. But even still - that's irrelevant, because
all three were roundly praised by "intellectuals" for being
excellent films. I don't care if they aren't discussed longer
than 2 days. The fact that they were mentioned as such for
2 days makes that 2 days longer than 'The Family that Preys'
was mentioned as such.

And so we have:

- 3 shitty films discussed as masterpieces for at least
one year, and roundly lauded by "intellectuals"

- Tyler Perry's film which wasn't lauded as a masterpiece
for a single day.

Insofar as said disparity exists(and exist it does), it justifies
the comparison.

>Even if The family That Preys is good or (hell I'll indulge
>you) better than the crappy films you mentioned, that doesn't
>mean it's a masterpiece.

See, this is what I mean:

"Hell, I'll indulge you."

You've already convinced yourself that this film cannot
possibly be a "masterpiece."

That's what I mean by people who have low intellectual self-esteem.
I mean, god forbid you even *attempt* to think for yourself
on the matter. LOL

If you did, you would REALLY like a Tyler Perry movie, which
would make you a lot like the average joe, the ones who you
spend a lot of your time trying to feel smarter than.

And we can't let that happen, can we?

>Also, your comparison to Spike Lee suggests that Tyler Perry
>is making the same mistake that Spike often makes, boiling
>down race relations and the "Black experience" to a set a of
>tropes that don't reflect the true complexity of Black life in
>America.

LOL.

a) You haven't seen the movie, and so your prediction is
illogical and baseless

b) Even if it wasn't illogical and basis to make that
prediction, the prediction is still wrong, because 'The
Family that Preys' does none of that. It talks about the
black experience in a very, very, specific context, and
doesn't hope to examine every issue, in every context, or
make sweeping racial commentary about anything. It is a
"self contained(as someone quoted above)" film about a
specific interaction. If anything, the film's most sweeping
themes have almost nothing to do with African-Americans
specifically, and even the subtle ones that do are
underhanded and appropriate.

c) Even your Spike Lee point is wrong, because no filmmaker
or film can tackle any one experience in its entirety, and
no one has ever tried to tackle the whole thing, so again,
you're pushing against an open door.


>Cuz I can tell you, I don't relate to a lot TP's films, and I
>don't think that he has an exclusive handle on "the Black
>experience" he just happens to have a handle on a particular
>type of "Black experience".

Well great - thankfully Perry never said he had an
exclusive handle on the "black experience" any more than
Scorcese said he had such a handle on the "Italian
experience."

And anyone who says Perry tries to do that is an idiot,
because his films, even the silly comedies, are about
specific situations and interactions that are often good,
sometimes not, sometimes funny, sometimes not, sometimes
moving, sometimes not, but overall - about a specific
setting.

That's not to say broad lessons can't be extracted from
specific interactions and settings -- that's what makes
art wonderful, the way it can break cultural and temporal
boundaries and comment on many aspects of our lives.

But to say that you don't relate to Perry's films b/c
"he doesn't have an exclusive handle on the 'black
experience' is to push against an open door: Nobody said
that, and shame on you for creating that idiotic
strawman.


>And before you question my
>blackness and or my familiarity with his set pieces, I've
>lived in the South most of my life and if St. Joseph's Baptist
>Church in Beaufort, SC ain't a "Black Church" I don't know
>what is.

LOL.

I don't question your blackness, at all, and the fact that
you would suggest such a thing tips me off to the insecurities
that you're working with. Liking Tyler Perry never, ever, ever,
ever, ever, was a blackness ID card, and never will.

If anything, I was hoping that you weren't black, because
you are making some awful points, and I don't like being mean
to my people, if even on the internet.

Fortunately for you, white people harbor your perspective far
more than they harbor mine, and that's not a shot at your blackness
(You're no less black than I am, and good for you),
but is to say that only a white bigot, and an idiotic one at
that, could honestly suggest that Tyler Perry is trying to
get an "exclusive handle on the black experience."

Everyone else with a brain can walk around, revel in the
complexity that is the black experience, and indulge the
different aspects as we see fit -- I watched the Tyler Perry
film on Wednesday night, and watched President Obama talk to
the world on Thursday morning.

Neither one has an "exclusive handle on the black experience"
and neither purported to.


>But hey, I'll give it a chance.

No, you won't. You've already convinced yourself that
you don't like him, and the film. I wouldn't bother
watching it, because you're almost guaranteed to nitpick
in the name of trying to feel smart and exercising the
insecurities that you're infected by(mentioned above).


>His TV shows are inexcusable though.
LOL.

Notice how you ended your post with a negative point about
Tyler Perry, about something we're not even talking about.


That's what I call an original thinker!


LOL.





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