(NO SPOILERS)

Hey nerds.

Just saw it again, and O_E is about to make some
people really, really, mad(whether you admit it or not).

Quite frankly, if you don't like this film, you are:

a) white
b) have extremely low intellectual self-esteem
c) Both 'a' and 'b'

'b' and 'c' are probably the most popular answers,
though, because white people can most certainly
relate to this film.

Most of this film's critics are still patting themselves
on the back for "figuring out" 'Syriana' while still
trying to manufacture a reason that 'Million Dollar Baby'
was "an artful masterpiece (it was, in reality contrived
melodramtic dogshit)."

People who think like this have to look down at Tyler
Perry films as being "simplistic" and "trite," even
though this 'FTP' film is at least as well-thought out
and profound as their favorite family movie. They must
do so, of course, because it makes them feel smart.

Unlike real smart people, they don't actually do smart
things, or have real accomplishments that reinforce
their intelligence. In that case, they have to do the
opposite: create a reason why someone else is less smart.
Pathetic, really.


But let's get to why this film is great:


1)It had a niche market(working class, church going
African-Americans), but had themes and lessons
for everyone, from all walks of life, and was presented
in a way that everyone could relate to, all this done
WITHOUT watering down the blackness of the black
characters or increasing the hipness of the white
characters <-- Key and more on race later


2)The film captured the way black and white people
actually interact. It wasn't dumb contrived extremist
bullshit like in 'Crash'. It shows racial solidarity
while not ignoring racial awkwardness. Spike Lee has
swung and missed on this issue in just about every film.

The characters' lives in the film are clearly shaped
by race and America's history with racism, but direct
race dialogue rarely comes up, because that's not actually
how most of us interact EVERY DAY. In this film, white
people do their thing, black people do theirs, and like
society, the circles rarely overlap. When they do, however,
it isn't necessarily Mississippi burning. It also isn't
racial utopia. This film captures the balance, perfectly.


3)Spirituality and religiosity are themes but are NOT
SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS. They are mentioned, and clearly
faith plays a role in many of the characters' lives, but
the film can also be watched and appreciated by your
everyday pagan, heathen, or atheist(I'm one of the three,
maybe more depending the day of the week).


4) In general the film does not SHOUT at you. It has
LOTS to say about core living principles: honesty, faith
(not solely religious faith, but faith in the broader
sense), family, respect, etc, but has VERY few preachy
scenes, and even those aren't super drawn out.


5) Its light. It doesn't take itself too seriously or
purport to be anything but a simple movie that engages
some serious topics. Its not this Daniel Day-Lewis "I'm
taking 4 years out of my life to portray a retarded
person really well in an overall shitty movie." It can be
watched on holidays, with family(maybe not little, little
kids, tho). One of those films I can see folks (at least
black folks, and perhaps even white folks) watching on
holidays, just to remind folks what is important in life.


6) The performances. Kathy Bates is Kathy Bates. Alfre
Woodard is Alfre Woodards. Some of the scenes are sort of
TV Movie-like, but that's okay...again...there's a time
and a place for that Daniel Day-Lewis bullshit, and overall
the characters are convincing.


7) The writing is exquisite. The film is paced VERY well.
There are NUMEROUS THINGS going on at once, and yet you,
as a viewer have a clear picture on EXACTLY what's going
on. The characters are VERY well developed. Each has their
own hangup, or vice, or problem. Each deal with it their
own way.


Very smart, very well-done film.


Kudos to Tyler Perry.



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Either way http://tinyurl.com/6nzqy4

>Either way http://tinyurl.com/6nzqy4
>

nice.

It was ok. I didn't leave the theatre disgusted.

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I thought it touched on something VERY profound. The growing educational gap between brothers and sisters and how that effects relationship dynamics.

LOVED it. I have not a single complaint.

I'm actually a little surprised you're just NOW seeing this.

give it a shot.

I'd rather just read newspaper or a book about
geopolitics. Seriously.

That bullshit movie? Talk about intellectual
insecurity. Wow. Full of people making serious
faces and talking about things that sound important,
and might have been, if the filmmaker wasn't trying
to make himself feel smart by making a confusing
ass movie(for no reason, really)


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Check out my flicks...www.flickr.com/photos/sirapexthegreatest/sets/

MST 3K: Gumby in: Robot Rumpus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4_XZ3FLHw

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>give it a shot.

I'll catch it when it comes on cable.

I've noticed that HBO, Cinemax, Stars and Encore don't carry his movies; not sure about Showtime. Whats up with that?

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>I've noticed that HBO, Cinemax, Stars and Encore don't carry
>his movies; not sure about Showtime. Whats up with that?

Maybe he has an exclusive deal with them.

Moms and my sister forced me to watch this cuz Im kinda anti Tyler Perry and mid way through that movie they had me screamin at the scree.. lol great fun movie.. Masterpiece though? iono bout that.

????

EWS is easily one of the worst 10 films of the last
quarter century.

Easily

She said its actually like a good film
not just a good for tp film

He made me reconsider my critiques of him once I saw Madea's Fam Reunion (I was in line @ Blockbuster and the monologue with Cicily Tyson in regards to todays generation was on the monitor..I was like ok it CANT be THAT bad w/ a scene like that)

Far as Tp I KNOW what he is trying to do
And thats why I think you really CAN'T HATE the nigga

At the end of the day his jewels will reach 1000x more people than Spike's and im not sure if thats a good or bad thing

His will actually reach the people who need them too

He understands you gotta mix the LOLZ and slip in the medicine w/ it

While I dont think his jonits are that good(while i heard the fam that preys is ACTUALLY like a good film)
they DEF arent that bad and mos def entertaining as shit

I cant cosign those tv shows tho
that shit is just bad

ones I seen:

Madeas Fam Reuinion
Diary of mad black woman
Daddys Little Girls
25% of Madea Goes To jail

And your rather shrill defense of the film doesn't convince me that you're being completely honest when you call it a masterpiece.

Million Dollar Baby was over hyped. Crash was a piece of sentimental drivel. Syriana, while entertaining wasn't nearly as deep or complex as they made it out to be.

But guess what, none of these films are really going to be discussed 10 years down the line, at least not beyond the pretentious discussions of film nerds, and even then I don't see them coming up all that much.

Even if The family That Preys is good or (hell I'll indulge you) better than the crappy films you mentioned, that doesn't mean it's a masterpiece.

Also, your comparison to Spike Lee suggests that Tyler Perry is making the same mistake that Spike often makes, boiling down race relations and the "Black experience" to a set a of tropes that don't reflect the true complexity of Black life in America.

Cuz I can tell you, I don't relate to a lot TP's films, and I don't think that he has an exclusive handle on "the Black experience" he just happens to have a handle on a particular type of "Black experience". And before you question my blackness and or my familiarity with his set pieces, I've lived in the South most of my life and if St. Joseph's Baptist Church in Beaufort, SC ain't a "Black Church" I don't know what is.

But hey, I'll give it a chance.

His TV shows are inexcusable though.

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

You probably shouldn't have written that without having
seen the film, because you look like an idiot now,
and unfortunately, now I have to tell you why.


>And your rather shrill defense of the film doesn't convince
>me that you're being completely honest when you call it a
>masterpiece.

LOL.

What, specifically, is "shrill" about it? I provided
specific examples and backed up every claim. Just
because I made fun of people like you in the process
doesn't mean the review was disingenuous.

You are just skeptical about my review because I'm writing
about Tyler Perry, and deep down inside you feel that he's
not capable of making a "masterpiece" because he's well...
...Tyler Perry. And the rest of your post sort of tips me
off to these preconceived notions and biases.

>Million Dollar Baby was over hyped. Crash was a piece of
>sentimental drivel. Syriana, while entertaining wasn't nearly
>as deep or complex as they made it out to be.

Agreed.

>But guess what, none of these films are really going to be
>discussed 10 years down the line, at least not beyond the
>pretentious discussions of film nerds, and even then I don't
>see them coming up all that much.

Disgree. 'Crash' most certainly will be discussed, for a
long, long, time. But even still - that's irrelevant, because
all three were roundly praised by "intellectuals" for being
excellent films. I don't care if they aren't discussed longer
than 2 days. The fact that they were mentioned as such for
2 days makes that 2 days longer than 'The Family that Preys'
was mentioned as such.

And so we have:

- 3 shitty films discussed as masterpieces for at least
one year, and roundly lauded by "intellectuals"

- Tyler Perry's film which wasn't lauded as a masterpiece
for a single day.

Insofar as said disparity exists(and exist it does), it justifies
the comparison.

>Even if The family That Preys is good or (hell I'll indulge
>you) better than the crappy films you mentioned, that doesn't
>mean it's a masterpiece.

See, this is what I mean:

"Hell, I'll indulge you."

You've already convinced yourself that this film cannot
possibly be a "masterpiece."

That's what I mean by people who have low intellectual self-esteem.
I mean, god forbid you even *attempt* to think for yourself
on the matter. LOL

If you did, you would REALLY like a Tyler Perry movie, which
would make you a lot like the average joe, the ones who you
spend a lot of your time trying to feel smarter than.

And we can't let that happen, can we?

>Also, your comparison to Spike Lee suggests that Tyler Perry
>is making the same mistake that Spike often makes, boiling
>down race relations and the "Black experience" to a set a of
>tropes that don't reflect the true complexity of Black life in
>America.

LOL.

a) You haven't seen the movie, and so your prediction is
illogical and baseless

b) Even if it wasn't illogical and basis to make that
prediction, the prediction is still wrong, because 'The
Family that Preys' does none of that. It talks about the
black experience in a very, very, specific context, and
doesn't hope to examine every issue, in every context, or
make sweeping racial commentary about anything. It is a
"self contained(as someone quoted above)" film about a
specific interaction. If anything, the film's most sweeping
themes have almost nothing to do with African-Americans
specifically, and even the subtle ones that do are
underhanded and appropriate.

c) Even your Spike Lee point is wrong, because no filmmaker
or film can tackle any one experience in its entirety, and
no one has ever tried to tackle the whole thing, so again,
you're pushing against an open door.


>Cuz I can tell you, I don't relate to a lot TP's films, and I
>don't think that he has an exclusive handle on "the Black
>experience" he just happens to have a handle on a particular
>type of "Black experience".

Well great - thankfully Perry never said he had an
exclusive handle on the "black experience" any more than
Scorcese said he had such a handle on the "Italian
experience."

And anyone who says Perry tries to do that is an idiot,
because his films, even the silly comedies, are about
specific situations and interactions that are often good,
sometimes not, sometimes funny, sometimes not, sometimes
moving, sometimes not, but overall - about a specific
setting.

That's not to say broad lessons can't be extracted from
specific interactions and settings -- that's what makes
art wonderful, the way it can break cultural and temporal
boundaries and comment on many aspects of our lives.

But to say that you don't relate to Perry's films b/c
"he doesn't have an exclusive handle on the 'black
experience' is to push against an open door: Nobody said
that, and shame on you for creating that idiotic
strawman.


>And before you question my
>blackness and or my familiarity with his set pieces, I've
>lived in the South most of my life and if St. Joseph's Baptist
>Church in Beaufort, SC ain't a "Black Church" I don't know
>what is.

LOL.

I don't question your blackness, at all, and the fact that
you would suggest such a thing tips me off to the insecurities
that you're working with. Liking Tyler Perry never, ever, ever,
ever, ever, was a blackness ID card, and never will.

If anything, I was hoping that you weren't black, because
you are making some awful points, and I don't like being mean
to my people, if even on the internet.

Fortunately for you, white people harbor your perspective far
more than they harbor mine, and that's not a shot at your blackness
(You're no less black than I am, and good for you),
but is to say that only a white bigot, and an idiotic one at
that, could honestly suggest that Tyler Perry is trying to
get an "exclusive handle on the black experience."

Everyone else with a brain can walk around, revel in the
complexity that is the black experience, and indulge the
different aspects as we see fit -- I watched the Tyler Perry
film on Wednesday night, and watched President Obama talk to
the world on Thursday morning.

Neither one has an "exclusive handle on the black experience"
and neither purported to.


>But hey, I'll give it a chance.

No, you won't. You've already convinced yourself that
you don't like him, and the film. I wouldn't bother
watching it, because you're almost guaranteed to nitpick
in the name of trying to feel smart and exercising the
insecurities that you're infected by(mentioned above).


>His TV shows are inexcusable though.
LOL.

Notice how you ended your post with a negative point about
Tyler Perry, about something we're not even talking about.


That's what I call an original thinker!


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>What, specifically, is "shrill" about it? I provided
>specific examples and backed up every claim. Just
>because I made fun of people like you in the process
>doesn't mean the review was disingenuous.

I do think you're being disingenuous, but more so you're being reactionary because Tyler has been called a hack by most film critics and a large segment of the movie goers and you're turning fanboy red over that shit. I'm suggesting that you're going overboard as a way to compensate for the fact that dude's work is often bashed. I'm not saying he can't make a good film, I don't think any of his films are horrendous. I've seen many many movies that were worse that anything Tyler Perry could do on a bad day. But it does seem like you're over compensating.

>You are just skeptical about my review because I'm writing
>about Tyler Perry, and deep down inside you feel that he's
>not capable of making a "masterpiece" because he's well...
>...Tyler Perry. And the rest of your post sort of tips me
>off to these preconceived notions and biases.

No, I feel like he's not capable of making a masterpiece because most directors are not capable of making a masterpiece. The word "masterpiece" carries with it a particular weight and I feel like it's thrown around way too much.

No I'm not saying he can't make a masterpiece, I just wouldn't bet on it. Fuck I might be surprised. The damn Cubs are capable of winning a world series....I just wouldn't put money on them.

ee them coming up all that much.
>
>Disgree. 'Crash' most certainly will be discussed, for a
>long, long, time. But even still - that's irrelevant, because
>all three were roundly praised by "intellectuals" for being
>excellent films. I don't care if they aren't discussed longer
>than 2 days. The fact that they were mentioned as such for
>2 days makes that 2 days longer than 'The Family that Preys'
>was mentioned as such.

Crash will be discussed because it won an Oscar when it didn't deserve it.

>And so we have:
>
>- 3 shitty films discussed as masterpieces for at least
>one year, and roundly lauded by "intellectuals"
>
>- Tyler Perry's film which wasn't lauded as a masterpiece
>for a single day.
>
>Insofar as said disparity exists(and exist it does), it
>justifies
>the comparison.

And you're talking to me about insecurities? Who gives a fuck if those shitty movies tricked a bunch of intellectuals into saying they were great. Now that the sheen has worn off I think a lot of people see them for what they were, a bunch of "prestige" Oscar conteders that turned a bunch of sap into award nominations. They were thought of as great because a bunch of trickery and overblown pathos, not because they were actually great.

Why does it matter, if The Family That Preys is a masterpiece, that it wasn't listed with these films? If it is a masterpiece it's a masterpiece regardless of what some hipster douchebag at the Village Voice says.


>See, this is what I mean:
>
>"Hell, I'll indulge you."
>
>You've already convinced yourself that this film cannot
>possibly be a "masterpiece."
>
>That's what I mean by people who have low intellectual
>self-esteem.
>I mean, god forbid you even *attempt* to think for yourself
>on the matter. LOL
>
>If you did, you would REALLY like a Tyler Perry movie, which
>would make you a lot like the average joe, the ones who you
>spend a lot of your time trying to feel smarter than.
>
>And we can't let that happen, can we?

Dude you don't even fucking know me. Why are you making assumptions about my taste in films or my "intellectual insecurities"

If I thought for myself I "really would like a Tyler Perry movie"...How the fuck can you possibly tell a person what they'll like if they think for themselves? So you can only belong to two camps, either you like TP or you don't. And within those two camps you have to follow the set talking points? Maybe you don't think for yourself.

And please please don't you dare question my views on the "average joe", because once again you don't know me and for you to presume that I'm an elitist because I don't like TP really shows just how insecure you are about your own tastes in films.

I don't dislike TP films (the ones that I've seen) because I want to "feel smarter" than other people. I just genuinely don't care for his movies. I also don't particularly care for obtuse french films where a crying clown flips a pancake in the middle of a museum. God forbid someone have different tastes than you but not fall in to your preconceived notion about people who don't like TP.


>a) You haven't seen the movie, and so your prediction is
>illogical and baseless

ok

>b) Even if it wasn't illogical and basis to make that
>prediction, the prediction is still wrong, because 'The
>Family that Preys' does none of that. It talks about the
>black experience in a very, very, specific context, and
>doesn't hope to examine every issue, in every context, or
>make sweeping racial commentary about anything. It is a
>"self contained(as someone quoted above)" film about a
>specific interaction. If anything, the film's most sweeping
>themes have almost nothing to do with African-Americans
>specifically, and even the subtle ones that do are
>underhanded and appropriate.

I said your comparisons to Spike Lee suggest that about the film. I never made a concrete statement about the film. If the film doesn't actually do that fine, I've got no problem admitting I'm wrong when I am. My problem is with, as I said before, your shrill and insecure defense of TP films and your opinions of people who don't like his movies.

>c) Even your Spike Lee point is wrong, because no filmmaker
>or film can tackle any one experience in its entirety, and
>no one has ever tried to tackle the whole thing, so again,
>you're pushing against an open door.

Spike likes to believe he's the irate conscience of Black America...that comes through in his films and when he does try to tackle race, that can at times make his broader statements seem narrow. If you disagree fine, but that's my opinion of Spike Lee.


>Well great - thankfully Perry never said he had an
>exclusive handle on the "black experience" any more than
>Scorcese said he had such a handle on the "Italian
>experience."

ok

>And anyone who says Perry tries to do that is an idiot,
>because his films, even the silly comedies, are about
>specific situations and interactions that are often good,
>sometimes not, sometimes funny, sometimes not, sometimes
>moving, sometimes not, but overall - about a specific
>setting.

Well a lot of people do say that about Tyler Perry when defending his films.


And in regards to my statements on my own "Blackness" I did that for a very specific reason. I did it because I was trying to hedge off the common arguments against people who don't like TP films. Because honestly you're pulling the same shit most of them do. Accusing his detractors of being elitists seems to be a primary tactic of yours. Another common defense is to question the Blackness of the detractor or to comment on the fact that the person is white. You didn't do that, good for you. But seeing as how you seem intent on churning up the same old bullshit I had a 50/50 chance of you making that argument.


>No, you won't. You've already convinced yourself that
>you don't like him, and the film. I wouldn't bother
>watching it, because you're almost guaranteed to nitpick
>in the name of trying to feel smart and exercising the
>insecurities that you're infected by(mentioned above).

Dam...jump to assumptions much? My problem is with your stereotypical depiction of TP detractors and your insecure defense of your own tastes in film. If it's a good film it's a good film. Don't presume to know my reactions to certain films just because I don't care for the TP movies I've seen. You have a real narrow view of how people consume art and it's no wonder why you're coming off as bitter.

It seems to me that you're mad that a bunch of Film Studies majors said some mean shit about a director that you like, so your response is to go overboard in defending a man who, I'm sorry to break this to you, probably won't be remembered as one of the greatest directors of our time. Once again though, when I see the movie if it's as masterful as you say it is I'll come in here and admit that you were right.

I must say though it seems funny to me that you're automatically assuming that I automatically won't like the movie. I think there's a story about a pot and a kettle that's appropriate for this situation.

I don't dislike TP because other people don't or because he's TP. I dislike his films and his TV because I don't think they're good.

>>His TV shows are inexcusable though.
>LOL.
>
>Notice how you ended your post with a negative point about
>Tyler Perry, about something we're not even talking about.

I'll take any opportunity to make that point as long as that garbage is on the air.

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

>I do think you're being disingenuous, but more so you're being
>reactionary because Tyler has been called a hack by most film
>critics and a large segment of the movie goers and you're
>turning fanboy red over that shit.

Hmm. You sound mad.

Perhaps I actually just sat down and watched this
film and thought it was phenomenal.

How about that option?

>I'm suggesting that you're
>going overboard as a way to compensate for the fact that
>dude's work is often bashed. I'm not saying he can't make a
>good film, I don't think any of his films are horrendous. I've
>seen many many movies that were worse that anything Tyler
>Perry could do on a bad day. But it does seem like you're over
>compensating.

Hilarious.

Odd how we need to manufacture conspiracy theories to
explain why I like a Tyler Perry film but don't do the
same when people routinely laud other mediocre films.


2 of the three I mentioned('Million Dollar Baby' and
'Crash') were horrid, and both won Best Picture. No
one says their roundabout praises was the product of a
conspiracy theory. The worst thing you said about one
was that it was 'overhyped'.

LOL. Double standard.

>No, I feel like he's capable of making a masterpiece because
>most directors are not capable of making a masterpiece. The
>word "masterpiece" carries with it a particular weight and I
>feel like it's thrown around way too much.

Okay

>And you're talking to me about insecurities? Who gives a fuck
>if those shitty movies tricked a bunch of intellectuals into
>saying they were great. Now that the sheen has worn off I
>think a lot of people see them for what they were, a bunch of
>"prestige" Oscar conteders that turned a bunch of sap into
>award nominations. They were thought of as great because a
>bunch of trickery and overblown pathos, not because they were
>actually great.

LOL - the "overblown pathos" to which you speak didn't
grow on a fucking tree, Einsten. It grew from actual
people who review and write about movies for a living
deciding that those film were excellent and constantly
writing and talking about them.

None of that was done for 'The Family that Preys'.

My point is indestructible here: the gap in critical
acclaim between 'The Family that Preys' and any of the
films that we AREE were mediocre is astronomical in
size.

And again - insofar as this is the case, my comparison,
and associated asshole-ishness, is warranted.

Its not that hard to understand.

>Why does it matter, if The Family That Preys is a masterpiece,
>that it wasn't listed with these films? If it is a masterpiece
>it's a masterpiece regardless of what some hipster douchebag
>at the Village Voice says.

Oh, yeah -- it is, however, fun to remind the hipster douchebags,
and the insecure black guys on Okayplayer, that their views
suck.


>Dude you don't even fucking know me. Why are you making
>assumptions about my taste in films or my "intellectual
>insecurities"

Because they are on display in this very post.

You made an awful point about Tyler Perry having
an "exclusive handle on the black experience."

That is a lie, and is false, and again - you should
be ashamed of yourself for having made it.

>If I thought for myself I "really would like a Tyler Perry
>movie"...How the fuck can you possibly tell a person what
>they'll like if they think for themselves? So you can only
>belong to two camps, either you like TP or you don't. And
>within those two camps you have to follow the set talking
>points? Maybe you don't think for yourself.

This point didn't make any sense. Let's calm down, sparky.

>And please please don't you dare question my views on the
>"average joe", because once again you don't know me and for
>you to presume that I'm an elitist because I don't like TP
>really shows just how insecure you are about your own tastes
>in films.

Well - you are making points about this film without
having seen it. That's not an intelligent thing to do.

When I call you an idiot for it, I'm not making any
"assumptions," I'm instead going off of what you
actually said.

>I don't dislike TP films (the ones that I've seen) because I
>want to "feel smarter" than other people. I just genuinely
>don't care for his movies. I also don't particularly care for
>a obtuse french films where a crying clown flips a pancake in
>the middle of a museum. God forbid someone have different
>tastes than you but not fall in to your preconceived notion
>about people who don't like TP.

There's plenty of ways to dislike TP films and not sound
like an idiot. You happened to not choose one of them.

I mean, geez. Your fault, not mine.



>I said your comparisons to Spike Lee suggest that about the
>film. I never made a concrete statement about the film.

Sounds like a reading comprehension problem to me.

I was specifically talking about how black and white
people interacted in TPs film, and how everything wasn't
polarized, but still had racial/cultural character. Its
the sign of good filmmaking.

How the fuck you took that and spun some awful point
about having an "exclusive handle on the black experience"
is beyond me. Your point was

a) Wrong

b) Even if it was right, its not relevant here.


>If the
>film doesn't actually do that fine, I've got no problem
>admitting I'm wrong when I am. My problem is with as I said
>before, your shrill and insecure defense of TP films and your
>opinions of people who don't like his movies.

What does my "shrill and insecure defense of TP films" have
to do with you drumming up an awful point about filmmakers
trying to have an "exclusive handle on the black experience?"

Take responsibility. You misread my point, and tried to
insert an irrelevant(and wrong) point(for god knows why).

I caught it, questioned you about it, and you have nothing
to say in response, again, because the point is both wrong
and poorly placed.


>Spike likes to believe he's the irate conscience of Black
>America...that comes through in his films and when he does try
>to tackle race that can at times make his broader statements
>seem narrow. If you disagree fine, but that's my opinion of
>Spike Lee.

Okay. You're wrong about that too, but that's great.


>Well a lot of people do say that about Tyler Perry when
>defending his films.

LOL. And a lot of people make dumb, baseless points about
Perry trying to have an exclusive handle on the black
experience.

*shrugs*

>And in regards to my statements on my own "Blackness" I did
>that for a very specific reason. I did it because I was trying
>to hedge off the common arguments against people who don't
>like TP films.

Please, and no, I don't feel sorry for you, so miss me with
that damsel in distress shit.

Educated blacks are his harshest critics, and Tyler Perry
FANS are more often than not the ones who have to defend
themselves.

>because honestly you're pulling the same shit
>most of them do. Accusing his detractors of being elitists
>seems to be a primary tactic of yours.

"Pulling the same shit as them."

Hmm.

So did I question your "blackness?"

Or did I just call you an idiot because of your inability
to construct a coherent argument?













































Oh. I thought so.


>Another common defense
>is to question the Blackness of the detractor or to comment on
>the fact that the person is white. You didn't do that, good
>for you. But seeing as how you seem intent on churning up the
>same old bullshit I had a 50/50 chance of you making that
>argument.

LOL. No, YOU MADE THAT ASSUMPTION because you don't think
for yourself.

There's plenty of reasons for me to poke fun at a Tyler Perry
critic that have nothing to do with the race of the criticizer.

I'm doing that now.

I don't dislike your opinion because you're black.

I dislike your opinion because your opinions suck.


>Dam...jump to assumptions much? My problem is with your
>stereotypical depiction of TP detractors and your insecure
>defense of your own tastes in film. If it's a good film it's a
>good film. Don't presume to know my reactions to certain films
>just because I don't care for the TP movies I've seen. You
>have a real narrow view of how people consume art and it's no
>wonder why you're coming off as so bitter.

Well, you're the one making baseless(and wrong) assumptions
about what Tyler Perry is trying to do in his films that
you haven't seen.

Not me.

You're also the one who assumes that I question the blackness
of anyone who doesn't like his films.

I mean, you're the assume-er here, boss. Not O_E.

>It seems to me that you're mad that a bunch of Film Studies
>majors said some mean shit about a director that you like, so
>your response is to go overboard in defending a man who, I'm
>sorry to break this to you, probably won't be remembered as
>one of the greatest directors of our time. Once again though,
>when I see the movie if it's as masterful as you say it is
>I'll come in here and admit that you were right.

Ok


>I must say though it seems funny to me that you're
>automatically assuming that I automatically won't like the
>movie. I think there's a story about a pot and a kettle that's
>appropriate for this situation.

Oh no, not an assumption at all. Its an educated prediction
based on the lameness of your overall stance.

Because, again, I think for myself.

You should try it some time.



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(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

>Hmm. You sound mad.
>
>Perhaps I actually just sat down and watched this
>film and thought it was phenomenal.
>
>How about that option?

If that were true you wouldn't need to be such an asshole about it, which you were in your original post. Maybe you should go back and look at the "options" you laid out for people that don't care for TP films. Cuz you started off talking shit...maybe if the movie was that great you could rely on your analysis of the film and not feel the need to defend the film by insulting other people.

But hey you're right, that option certainly exists.



>LOL. Double standard.

What double standard? I'm not creating a conspiracy theory, I'm just point out that you're being a dick. You want to bash those other shitty movies, by all means do your thing. I just find it funny that half of your argument for The Family That Preys was based upon insulting people who don't care for TP films.



>LOL - the "overblown pathos" to which you speak didn't
>grow on a fucking tree, Einsten. It grew from actual
>people who review and write about movies for a living
>deciding that those film were excellent and constantly
>writing and talking about them.
>
>None of that was done for 'The Family that Preys'.
>
>My point is indestructible here: the gap in critical
>acclaim between 'The Family that Preys' and any of the
>films that we AREE were mediocre is astronomical in
>size.
>
>And again - insofar as this is the case, my comparison,
>and associated asshole-ishness, is warranted.

It's only warranted if you put a lot of stock in those critics. And seeing as how you claim to think they're full of shit I find it odd that you do put some stock in to their opinions.

I reiterate my point...who gives a fuck what they think? They got it wrong with those other films right? So why do you care what they have to say about a director that you like?


>Oh, yeah -- it is, however, fun to remind the hipster
>douchebags,
>and the insecure black guys on Okayplayer, that their views
>suck.

Right it is better to be a reactionary douche bag.


>Because they are on display in this very post.
>
>You made an awful point about Tyler Perry having
>an "exclusive handle on the black experience."
>
>That is a lie, and is false, and again - you should
>be ashamed of yourself for having made it.

Sure, why not.


>Well - you are making points about this film without
>having seen it. That's not an intelligent thing to do.
>
>When I call you an idiot for it, I'm not making any
>"assumptions," I'm instead going off of what you
>actually said.

What did I actually say about The Family that Preys? Reading is fundamental homie. You're not going off what I actually said. Cuz I never made a claim about the movie its self. My problem was with how you were judging TP's work against works that were acclaimed by critics. You weren't making a point you were bitching because some other shitty movies got shine instead of one that you liked. I never said a thing about the movie its self.

What I did say was that from your statements about the movie it "seems" like TP fell in to a familiar trap. That statement was based off 1) What you said about the film and 2) My opinions of Perry's other movies.

And like I said if I see the movie and love it I'll come back here and say so.But for the time being, from what I see, Tyler Perry is no more equipped to reflect the "black experience" than any other black director. He deals with a particular subset of black life, just like Spike does. And the criticisms that you applied to Spike can just as easily be placed upon Madea Goes to Camp. Both of them swing and miss.

>Sounds like a reading comprehension problem to me.

I guess that's a problem we both have then

>I was specifically talking about how black and white
>people interacted in TPs film, and how everything wasn't
>polarized, but still had racial/cultural character. Its
>the sign of good filmmaking.

Your second point started with a blanket statement.

"The film captured the way black and white people
actually interact."

The interactions between people in TP movies are no more all encompassing than in Spike Lee films. Nor are his portrayals of individuals from various ethnic and socio economic backgrounds. Yet you imply that Tyler Perry captures how people "actually" do this that and the other. That's what I mean when I brought up the "black experience" thing.

But hey, if he does it in this film (cuz he sure as hell didn't do it in the others) then kudos to you.

>What does my "shrill and insecure defense of TP films" have
>to do with you drumming up an awful point about filmmakers
>trying to have an "exclusive handle on the black experience?


I'll concede that the "shrill" thing was poorly placed, it wasn't meant to be part of that section of my reply.



>Please, and no, I don't feel sorry for you, so miss me with
>that damsel in distress shit.

Who the fuck asked you to?

>Educated blacks are his harshest critics, and Tyler Perry
>FANS are more often than not the ones who have to defend
>themselves.

That doesn't excuse you making assumptions about why someone likes or dislikes his films.

>"Pulling the same shit as them."
>
>Hmm.
>
>So did I question your "blackness?"

No, but you did the "elitist" thing, which is what I meant when I said you were doing the same old shit. You see I brought up two of the usual ways. I conceded that you didn't do the first and that my bringing it up was preemptive.





>LOL. No, YOU MADE THAT ASSUMPTION because you don't think
>for yourself.
>There's plenty of reasons for me to poke fun at a Tyler Perry
>critic that have nothing to do with the race of the
>criticizer.

And yet you did that in your original post...hmm...



>Well, you're the one making baseless(and wrong) assumptions
>about what Tyler Perry is trying to do in his films that
>you haven't seen.

In his "films" that I haven't seen? I hope that's a typo because I was basing my arguments on the films that I have seen, and once again I never actually made a point about the one I didn't. I just think your original post reeks of insecurity.

>Not me.
>
>You're also the one who assumes that I question the blackness
>of anyone who doesn't like his films.

And i conceded that you didn't do that. do you want a fucking plaque certifying that shit.

You did however bring up another tired attack on TP's detractors. Not to mention you did go after white people in your original post.





>Because, again, I think for myself.
>
>You should try it some time.

No you think you think for your self. More than likely you're just salty because you like TP and a lot of people don't.

You wanna like his movies? Like his movies but don't talk shit about people for not liking dude. And don't assume to know why they don't like him.

The problem here isn't the film, I've already said that. The problem is you're too insecure to make a case for TP without being a doucebag because a few critics don't care for Madea Meets the Wolfman.


"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

Y don't we pick this back up after I watch the movie because we're going in circles.

I still think you're defense of Tyler Perry was born out of insecurities because critics don't like your boy. Not to mention your arguments being steeped in poor assumptions about people's tastes in films.

And you think I'm an idiot who slung a bunch of non-sequiturs and "awful arguments" about Tyler Perry's handle on the "black experience".

I think you're a douchey fanboy and you think I'm an insecure moron.

Fine, I can live with that.

So what I'm gonna watch the movie. Then I'll get back to you so we can continue this discussion about the merits of Tyler Perry's work based upon what you consider to be his masterpiece, instead of your bitterness and my non-nonsensical arguments.

Sound fair?

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

>Y don't we pick this back up after I watch the movie because
>we're going in circles.
>

NOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPE!!!!


Nigga, its too late for that.


You already responded. You should have thought twice
before your FIRST post. You can't all of a sudden
have a revelation now that its clear that you're wrong.

Doesn't work that way.


>I still think you're defense of Tyler Perry was born out of
>insecurities because critics don't like your boy. Not to
>mention your arguments being steeped in poor assumptions about
>people's tastes in films.

Lol. If I was insecure, I wouldn't openly admit to liking
Tyler Perry to an arthouse internet forum. Doing what I
did demonstrates the exact opposite, actually -- I'll stand
up for my views against just about anyone, and luckily, you
make it very, very, very, very, easy, because you all don't
make very many good points.


>And you think I'm an idiot who slung a bunch of non-sequiturs
>and "awful arguments" about Tyler Perry's handle on the "black
>experience".

Yes, and that has nothing to do with whether you've
seen the movie, or not.

You made a hideous point, with no basis, that was
factually incorrect and was irrelevant to the topic
at hand.

>So what I'm gonna watch the movie. Then I'll get back to you
>so we can continue this discussion about the merits of Tyler
>Perry's work based upon what you consider to be his
>masterpiece, instead of your bitterness and my non-nonsensical
>arguments.

>Sound fair?

No, it doesn't, because you should not have posted to begin
with.

You:

- Made a lame pre-emptive defense of your blackness, when
I never even hinted at challenging your blackness because
of yorur opinion

- Made an even lamer wild GUESS about the content of
the film in regards to how it captures the complexity
of the black experience. The guess was poorly-founded,
poorly-worded, factually incorrect, and irrelevant.

- Made an even wilder, more wrong suggestion that Tyler
Perry is trying to get an "exclusive handle on the
black experience" when his biggest fan wouldn't even
suggest anything close to that.


You see,

When you do that, you lose credibility.

Your credibility is gone. You can continue to post
and put up pins, and I'll gladly continue to knock
them down, but you're quite the herb and sissy for
wanting to backtrack and cop out now.

You made the bad points. You can apologize for them
or formally retract them(or both).

But don't be running away now.





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>
>
>Nigga, its too late for that.
>
>
>You already responded. You should have thought twice
>before your FIRST post. You can't all of a sudden
>have a revelation now that its clear that you're wrong.
>
>Doesn't work that way.

I don't think I'm wrong. You're wrong, I just don't see the point in us continuing to insult one another.


>Lol. If I was insecure, I wouldn't openly admit to liking
>Tyler Perry to an arthouse internet forum. Doing what I
>did demonstrates the exact opposite, actually -- I'll stand
>up for my views against just about anyone, and luckily, you
>make it very, very, very, very, easy, because you all don't
>make very many good points.

If you weren't insecure you wouldn't bitch about a shitty movie getting more props than a film you like. But you do, you bitch and moan because Tyler Perry shot his credibility to hell with his crappy movies and TV shows. And now that he made a film which you think is good people aren't as willing to give him a chance.

>You made a hideous point, with no basis, that was
>factually incorrect and was irrelevant to the topic
>at hand.

No I didn't. You can think I did, that doesn't make it true.

>
>No, it doesn't, because you should not have posted to begin
>with.

No i should have, because you made a bitch ass post crying because Clint Eastwood has more credibility than your hack of a favorite director, and then when critics weren't biting you get pissed.

I'm sorry that Tyler Perry never gave anyone a reason to trust that he could make a good film, but that's his fault. Not anyone else's.

Once again, I take issue with how you're going after TP's detractors and views about his work vs. the work of other directors. Not the movie its self, I've said that over and over again.

>You:
>
>- Made a lame pre-emptive defense of your blackness, when
>I never even hinted at challenging your blackness because
>of yorur opinion
>

Why are you still talking about this?

>- Made an even lamer wild GUESS about the content of
>the film in regards to how it captures the complexity
>of the black experience. The guess was poorly-founded,
>poorly-worded, factually incorrect, and irrelevant.

It wasn't a wild guess. It was an "educated prediction" based on dude's previous piles of shit.

>- Made an even wilder, more wrong suggestion that Tyler
>Perry is trying to get an "exclusive handle on the
>black experience" when his biggest fan wouldn't even
>suggest anything close to that.

Not what I said, but I guess we're back to the reading comprehension thing. You made the claim that somehow TP outdoes the other films when it comes to showcasing race relations. You said that he "actually" portrays how blacks and whites interact. He doesn't show how they actually interact. He shows particular types of race issues and certain types of race relations. Just like Spike does. Just like Crash did. Just like countless other films good, bad, problematic, or otherwise do. None of them get it all, and Tyler Perry is no closer to a grand unified theory on race than any other director.

The idea that somehow one director who you admitted works on a very specific subset of black life could showcase how race relations "actually" works is ridiculous.

But once again, maybe this film changes all of that. We'll see. I'll be very impressed if one movie can capture "the way black and white people actually interact." Condensing the totality of American black/white interactions into a two hour film seems like a tall order. But your ringing endorsement makes me hopeful.

>Your credibility is gone. You can continue to post
>and put up pins, and I'll gladly continue to knock
>them down, but you're quite the herb and sissy for
>wanting to backtrack and cop out now.

I wasn't backtracking I was giving us a chance to discuss the film instead of arguing about what we've been arguing about. You don't want to do that fine.

I'm more than happy to continue pointing out why your sad defense of a hack is steeped in insecurity.

>You made the bad points. You can apologize for them
>or formally retract them(or both).

Not apologizing or retracting a damn thing.

>But don't be running away now.

I'm not running away. Fuck my post pretty much just said let's agree to disagree on the things we've been discussing.

Don't act like I'm trying to back peddle now because if I was I wouldn't have reiterated the fact that I think you're a bitter douche bag.

But on the off chance that didn't sink in. Here it is again.

You're a bitter douchebag. Tyler Perry hasn't made a good movie that I've seen (we'll see if he did once I watch The Family That Preys). And as such I find it sad that you need to malign and tear down other directors and films just to build up your favorite hack.

That shit is sad. You're insecure. And maybe one day Tyler Perry will win the Palme d'Or so you can stop feeling so insecure because critics don't like Madea.

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

right now.

I said he's TV shows are shitty. I take back saying that his movies are shitty. They aren't shitty. I just don't think they're particularly good. In my opinion they're Saturday afternoon TBS fare...

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

It's clear his work is genius and I think I'm making you mad by saying it.










































Mad?






























for why what?

movies all over the place. We can't have that.

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

You post like 'Syriana' meets 'Clueless' or some
thing related. Your posts definitely have a teenage
girl protagonist, but go on about nothing sort of
like 'Syriana'.

>I don't think I'm wrong. You're wrong, I just don't see the
>point in us continuing to insult one another.

No, here's the sequence of events, sparky:

1) I made several points about the ACTUAL FILM, of which no
one has even addressed, let alone put a dent in

2) You respond with wild guesses about a movie
that you haven't seen, say "Tyler Perry is trying to
get an exclusive handle on black america" and then
cry, telling me "don't question my blackness because I don't
like Tyler Perry" and all sorts of other incoherent,
illogical bullshit.

3)I call you out on it and say you smell.

4)You make several more bad points, even
trying to play the victim role("Don't say
I'm not black enough!!!!").

5) I call you out and say you smell, again

6) Then you say "Oh, well, let's stop, because
I haven't seen the movie, am getting hammered
on every point I bring up, so why don't I just
go see the movie, to divert attention from the fact
that I should not have posted to begin with."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPEE.

That, my friend, is backtracking.

You made a series of dumbass points. You can
retract/apologize for them, but you can't just
"agree to disagree" there. Two people can only
"agree to disagree" when the disagreement is
atomized, and can't be further broken down, as
in, both sides are perfectly logical and the
point of departure boils down to something very,
very fundamental. That is not the case here.

The point of departure is your bad points.

>If you weren't insecure you wouldn't bitch about a shitty
>movie getting more props than a film you like. But you do, you
>bitch and moan because Tyler Perry shot his credibility to
>hell with his crappy movies and TV shows. And now that he made
>a film which you think is good people aren't as willing to
>give him a chance.


LOL.


>No i should have, because you made a bitch ass post crying
>because Clint Eastwood has more credibility than your hack of
>a favorite director, and then when critics weren't biting you
>get pissed.

LOL. Tyler Perry is my favorite director?

You don't say?

When did I say that?


























*reflects*

















































LOL....now I got you lying. I'm enjoying myself.

Keep going.

>I'm sorry that Tyler Perry never gave anyone a reason to trust
>that he could make a good film, but that's his fault. Not
>anyone else's.

Actually, 'Why Did I Get Married' was very well received,
so now you're just talking out of your ass, and showing
us how you really feel.

LOL

>Once again, I take issue with how you're going after TP's
>detractors and views about his work vs. the work of other
>directors. Not the movie its self, I've said that over and
>over again.

I actually spent waaaaaaaay more time talking about the
actual movie than I did talking about his detractors.
I did that on purpose, actually, to defend against the
very claim you just made. Ain't I good?

>Not what I said, but I guess we're back to the reading
>comprehension thing. You made the claim that somehow TP
>outdoes the other films when it comes to showcasing race
>relations. You said that he "actually" portrays how blacks and
>whites interact. He doesn't show how they actually interact.
>He shows particular types of race issues and certain types of
>race relations. Just like Spike does. Just like Crash did.
>Just like countless other films good, bad, problematic, or
>otherwise do. None of them get it all, and Tyler Perry is no
>closer to a grand unified theory on race than any other
>director.


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So basically, Tyler Perry is unsuccessful at
portraying every aspect of the black experience
in his films.





























*reflects*






















































Uh. Okay.

Now what the fuck is your problem again?


>The idea that somehow one director who you admitted works on a
>very specific subset of black life could showcase how race
>relations "actually" works is ridiculous.

Uh, dipshit, he's not showing how every single black person
interacts with every single white person.

That is physically impossible, let alone cinematically
impossible.

The point I made is no different than the point anyone makes
when the say movie (a) is realistic in regards to topic X and
movie (b) is not. In the case of 'The Family that Preys', the
writing and acting are nuanced to the point where they appear
to mimic actual interactions, relative to other films where the
interactions feel forced.

Its no different than women loving 'Steel Magnolias' because
the interactions seem genuine, and seem to mimick real
interactions between women. When they say: "Steel Magnolias
is realistic," they don't mean that it captures every
interaction between every woman interacting with every other
woman.

Hell, we don't even mean 'Steel Magnolias' captures every
white southern woman interacting with every white southern
woman.

We just mean the interactions feel genuine, and again,
seem to simulate the way women actually act. Its a sign
of good writing(and usually, acting).

^^^^That is a subtle, sound point that I made from the outset.
How you misinterpreted that to mean "Tyler Perry's film does a
great job of summarizing the way every black person in the
universe interacts with every white person in the universe"
is beyond me.

Idiot.

>But once again, maybe this film changes all of that. We'll
>see. I'll be very impressed if one movie can capture "the way
>black and white people actually interact." Condensing the
>totality of American black/white interactions into a two hour
>film seems like a tall order. But your ringing endorsement
>makes me hopeful.

Sure - Tyler Perry captures every aspect of all black
life and its interactions with white people.


LOL. Idiot.


>I wasn't backtracking I was giving us a chance to discuss the
>film instead of arguing about what we've been arguing about.
>You don't want to do that fine.

No, you're backtracking. You advanced stupid arguments,
and because you can't back them up, are now saying:

"Oh, well, let me see the movie first."

That's copping out and backtracking.

>I'm not running away. Fuck my post pretty much just said let's
>agree to disagree on the things we've been discussing.

Exactly -- let's agree to disagree because you made
bad points that you can't defend and commented on
a movie that you haven't seen.

>Don't act like I'm trying to back peddle now because if I was
>I wouldn't have reiterated the fact that I think you're a
>bitter douche bag.

Uh. Sure. LOL.


>You're a bitter douchebag.

Hmmmm...mad?

why?

>Tyler Perry hasn't made a good
>movie that I've seen (we'll see if he did once I watch The
>Family That Preys). And as such I find it sad that you need to
>malign and tear down other directors and films just to build
>up your favorite hack.

No, I don't. I just like to make insecure nerds like
you mad by peeing on popular movies that are horseshit
but lauded anyway. Its just fun. I was sort of a bully
in middle school and haven't shaken the tendency. Difference
is I'm mad smart now.

>That shit is sad. You're insecure. And maybe one day Tyler
>Perry will win the Palme d'Or so you can stop feeling so
>insecure because critics don't like Madea.

Hmmm....mad?

of a masterpiece is a fucking joke.

Seriously, I don't know why I even wasted time on this shit.

Masterpiece....lmao. The fact that you think that a film that's on the better side of mediocre is a "masterpiece" invalidates everything you say.

You're just sad fam. You want The Family That Preys to be on par or better than Crash? Sure...you win. Enjoy your prize.

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

films that are actually shitty. Cuz I think they're crappy too...just like the Family That Preys.

This is hilarious to me. You went so hard for Tyler Perry because he made a movie that wasn't complete ass. I guess that's what passes for a "masterpiece" these days.



"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

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"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

Now I'm not sure if you really like TP movies or if you just like to be an asshole.


"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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How so?

HAHA Thats my shit nigga!

Lad95: Sounds like a well reasoned, intelligent and honest adult.

OE: Sounds like a bratty, defensive and insecure child.

No investment in either this subject or person...just my opinion.

Btw...I actually liked "Preys".

>Lad95: Sounds like a well reasoned, intelligent and honest
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>Btw...I actually liked "Preys".

Has it gotten that serious?


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I'm not insulting you...don't be so defensive

I have seen The Family that Preys and I agree with what you say. I have seen I think 3 TP films and I see his material as soap operas. I can't say that I would want to see a TP film in the cinema I don't think they need the big screen experience. I also find them too simplistic and obvious. I thought Crash was poor and Babel as well, incredibly over hyped and painted with intellectualism / gravitas that I failed to see or feel.

But I don't say that they shouldn't exist there are lots of people that enjoy this style of film. I personally cannot say that The Family that Preys is a masterpiece or even good, it's below average to me. But hey as they say "one man's meat is another mans poison".

I have no clue about his TV shows and I don't live in America, however TP does seem to dress up as Ladies a lot from pictures that I've seen! He needs to take Dave's Chapppelle's stance and say no to dressing up in knickers! lol

By the way I see that TP has lent support to Cannes nominated film 'Precious' I saw his name on the poster so thought he was involved in the production, however that doesn't seem to be the case and he has lent 'promotional assistance' to it. Any of you seen Precious?


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>Million Dollar Baby was over hyped. Crash was a piece of
>sentimental drivel. Syriana, while entertaining wasn't nearly
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>discussed 10 years down the line, at least not beyond the
>pretentious discussions of film nerds, and even then I don't
>see them coming up all that much.
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>Even if The family That Preys is good or (hell I'll indulge
>you) better than the crappy films you mentioned, that doesn't
>mean it's a masterpiece.
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>is making the same mistake that Spike often makes, boiling
>down race relations and the "Black experience" to a set a of
>tropes that don't reflect the true complexity of Black life in
>America.
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>don't think that he has an exclusive handle on "the Black
>experience" he just happens to have a handle on a particular
>type of "Black experience". And before you question my
>blackness and or my familiarity with his set pieces, I've
>lived in the South most of my life and if St. Joseph's Baptist
>Church in Beaufort, SC ain't a "Black Church" I don't know
>what is.
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>His TV shows are inexcusable though.
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>"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better
>than master of one"-Anonymous
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>The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest
>poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the
>darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha


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galaxy rays.......powerful............Raise it up...... Ultramagnetic.....

People sleep on his genius.

I said "Oh yeah? I heard that was good"

He said, "Yeah it was good...if you want to kill yourself afterwards".

on some real petty shit. Cats aint even see the movie and in the post talkin about why it's bad...smh.

Was it better than I expected? Certainly. Fuck at certain points I was down right engaged. But come the fuck on. A masterpiece? This is exactly what I mean when I say that word is used too often.

It was much better than Perry's other films. And hell it was at least on par with a lot of overly dramatic oscar contenders that aren't really all that great, but that doesn't mean it's a "masterpiece". Now I understand why OE brought up Million Dollar Baby and Crash...cuz this is definitely in that category. Congrats homie, the movie is in "good" company.

Bates and Woodard are both superb actors so their performances were great even if these weren't their best roles. Some of the other actors gave good performances too. And the story was engrossing, but kind of in the way that a John Grisham novel is engrossing. A good read, but dude isn't gonna win any pulitzers.

The story was ok but over all the film suffered from Tyler Perry's main faults. 1 dimensional characters (this wasn't as much of a problem in this film as it was in his others), exposition where no exposition is needed (Taraji and Sanaa's first scene in the diner comes to mind), and a fucking dues ex machina ending that a child could have predicted 30 minutes in. Come on...who didn't know Nick was gonna show up at the end? And on the race relation stuff...more subtle than he has been, but there were some heavy handed parts. And there was no reason to bring up Spike Lee, different types of films, different commentaries on race.

You're right homie...I am an idiot, for engaging you in a debate over a movie that was good, but not nearly good enough to warrant the time I spent on it.


Masterpiece...LMAO!

Orbit_Established got a bonafide Tyler Perry hater to
sit down, stop what he was doing, watch this film AND
ADMIT THAT IT WAS GOOD. For this guy to admit the film was
"good" in the open, he definitely thought the film was "great,"
but most certainly couldn't admit it.

GODDAMN I'm good.

>Was it better than I expected? Certainly. Fuck at certain
>points I was down right engaged.

LOL.

Two points for the Orbster.



>But come the fuck on. A
>masterpiece? This is exactly what I mean when I say that word
>is used too often.

LOL.

I used a shock post title to get you to watch a
Tyler Perry film that was well-made, that you were
"engaged(your words)" in, and that you admitted to
everyone was "good."

Two points for the Orbster


>It was much better than Perry's other films.

Translation: "I slept. Tyler Perry made a damn
good movie."

Two points for the Orbster


>And hell it was
>at least on par with a lot of overly dramatic oscar contenders
>that aren't really all that great, but that doesn't mean it's
>a "masterpiece".

Translation: "I liked this film a lot and as family movies
with a slight serious tone goes, its one of the better
ones I've seen."

>Now I understand why OE brought up Million
>Dollar Baby and Crash...cuz this is definitely in that
>category. Congrats homie, the movie is in "good" company.

Hey, you act like I pulled those from thin air.

Those are academy award winners, doggie.

LOL.

>Bates and Woodard are both superb actors so their performances
>were great even if these weren't their best roles. Some of the
>other actors gave good performances too. And the story was
>engrossing, but kind of in the way that a John Grisham novel
>is engrossing. A good read, but dude isn't gonna win any
>pulitzers.

Translation: "The acting was good, the characters were
good, the script was well written, which is why I cared
about the characters and what they did."


Goddamn O_E, you're good.


>The story was ok but over all the film suffered from Tyler
>Perry's main faults.

Translation: "I've said enough good things, now let me
get back on track and manufacture some things."


Two points for the Orbster


1 dimensional characters (this wasn't as
>much of a problem in this film as it was in his others),

LOL. Not only were the characters not any more 1 dimensional
than any other GOOD movie of its kind, the main ones were
particularly nuanced, and you know that.

Notice how you tied that specifically to Tyler Perry's
skill level, though. Being that most of his other
movies are comedies, I'm not sure what element of
character "depth" was supposed to be on display for you
to make that extrapolation.


>exposition where no exposition is needed (Taraji and Sanaa's
>first scene in the diner comes to mind), and a fucking dues ex
>machina ending that a child could have predicted 30 minutes
>in.

Well, I'm smarter than you, and I didn't predict that.


>Come on...who didn't know Nick was gonna show up at the
>end?

Me, and again, I'm smarter than you are.

>And on the race relation stuff...more subtle than he has
>been, but there were some heavy handed parts.

LOL - where did they *explicitly* mention race outside
of the VERY beginning?

LOL. Idiot.

>And there was no
>reason to bring up Spike Lee, different types of films,
>different commentaries on race.

LOL - Its its not like they each have films that attempt to
depict realistic interactions between black people and
white people.

In the context that I was describing, bringing up
Spike Lee(and notice that I did so very briefly)
was completely appropriate.


>You're right homie...I am an idiot, for engaging you in a
>debate over a movie that was good, but not nearly good enough
>to warrant the time I spent on it.

Translation: "I'm not going to admit it, but you had
a series of excellent points about this movie, which
is why I haven't rebutted a single one of them. Good
shit, O_E."


>Masterpiece...LMAO!

Translation: "It wasn't quite better than 'The Godfather'
but it was damn good."


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

>Orbit_Established got a bonafide Tyler Perry hater to
>sit down, stop what he was doing, watch this film AND
>ADMIT THAT IT WAS GOOD. For this guy to admit the film was
>"good" in the open, he definitely thought the film was
>"great,"
>but most certainly couldn't admit it.

Wrong it was "good" the same way that Crash was "good".

Ie a movie that did a few things right but that shouldn't be lauded as masterpiece cuz it isn't...and it isn't great.



>I used a shock post title to get you to watch a
>Tyler Perry film that was well-made, that you were
>"engaged(your words)" in, and that you admitted to
>everyone was "good."
>
>Two points for the Orbster

Ok...that doesn't excuse the other pieces of shit he's made.


>Translation: "I slept. Tyler Perry made a damn
>good movie."

I haven't slept, because his other movies weren't good.


>Translation: "I liked this film a lot and as family movies
>with a slight serious tone goes, its one of the better
>ones I've seen."

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.


>Hey, you act like I pulled those from thing air.
>
>Those are academy award winners, doggie.

I think it's pretty clear by now that I don't put a lot of stock in to the academy. Unlike you.


>Translation: "The acting was good, the characters were
>good, the script was well written, which is why I cared
>about the characters and what they did."

LMAO!

No, the script wasn't well written. It was adequately written. Josh Grisham is an adequate writer, doesn't mean he's a good writer. That's why I made the comparison.

And actually I didn't care about the characters. Bates and Woodard just did a good job with Tyler Perry's script. That's says more about their acting abilities than Perry's writing. These aren't characters that are going to stick with me, and what's more compared to Woodard and Bates' other roles these were forgettable.





>LOL. Not only were the characters not any more 1 dimensional
>than any other GOOD movie of its kind, the main ones were
>particularly nuanced, and you know that.

Woodard's character was a saint with little to no deviation, there were several unnecessary scenes that established just how divine she was. Only reason it was acceptable is that Woodard is a good actor.

Lathan was a vile harpy from the outset, not a lot of nuance there.

There are other examples, but first I think you should follow this link and study the information you find.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nuance


>Well, I'm smarter than you, and I didn't predict that.
>Me, and again, I'm smarter than you are.

Damn you are insecure.


>LOL - where did they *explicitly* mention race outside
>of the VERY beginning?

Who said they mentioned it? Oh ok, now I get why you think that this movie is nuanced. You think that if someone doesn't say something that means that they aren't being explicit.

Here's an idea rewatch the film and think about common scenarios, archetypes, and tropes.



>Translation: "I'm not going to admit it, but you had
>a series of excellent points about this movie, which
>is why I haven't rebutted a single one of them. Good
>shit, O_E."

No, you didn't. The movie wasn't nuanced. The movie didn't do a better job than other films in commenting on race relations or interactions. It wasn't a well written script. It wasn't a masterpiece.

But you know what, I get the feeling that you just like being an asshole and getting a rise out of people. So this will be my last post. But just for posterity's sake let me state my position one last time.

1) It wasn't a masterpiece. I question whether or not you actually understand what that word means. There's difference between a good film and masterpiece, but I guess for a fan of Tyler Perry the bar is fucking low. When I say that movie is good, I'm not saying that it was a must see film, I'm not saying it belongs in the canon of great films. A good film is in the mid B to high C range. Crash was a B-/C+ film. Syriana and Million Dollar Baby were B films. A masterpiece is an A+ film. This shit isn't an A+ film.

2) It wasn't nuanced.

3) It was predictable and Perry rehashed things we've all seen in films before

4) A lot of the characters were one dimensional. However a few of the actors transcended this.

5) The plot was engaging but predictable.

6) The ending was a tacked on piece of bullshit.

7) It wasn't a bad movie. That doesn't mean it was the movie of the year. It was a good but ultimately forgettable film.


You're right it wasn't the Godfather, but I never said it was "damn good" because damn good would be a ringing endorsement. I don't endorse this film. Only reason I saw it was the for the benefit of this debate. It didn't revolutionize film. It took two hours of my life that I could have spent watching TV or watching the movie...I'm not mad I watched it and I'm not thrilled that I did..

But I've waded in your inflammatory bullshit long enough. I hope that one day you learn to differentiate between a non-shitty film and a masterpiece.




"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

Kids,
Let's note how his opinion is getting more and
more negative now that he just got EMBARRASSED
after he realized how he walked into a trap.

He realizes now that I got him to stop what he
was doing and watch a movie, all because

When he first posted his response, he was less afraid
to say good things about the film.

Now he's in here STEAMING because he WALKED RIGHT
INTO A TRAP and so he's going to backpedal AGAIN
by finding new negative things to say about the film.

He already said it was "good" and "engaging."

Now he's going to try to divert attention from the
fact that we all know he liked the film, and so he
starts having a semantic debate about what "nuanced"
means, all so he can save face and return to being an
idiotic hater.

He's been exposed: He hated for no reason, watched the
film, gave me his (somewhat)honest opinion, realized how
bad it made him looked, and then backtracked by finding
new negative shit to say about the film.

Let's archive this one. This is exhibit A for why I
don't like wack niggas.


>Ie a movie that did a few things right but that shouldn't be
>lauded as masterpiece cuz it isn't...and it isn't great.

Translation: "This film is damn good, but because
you exposed me already, I'll say it in the most
negative way possible."

>No, the script wasn't well written. It was adequately written.

Translation: "The script was good."

>Josh Grisham is an adequate writer, doesn't mean he's a good
>writer. That's why I made the comparison.

Translation: "To make myself seem less biased, I'll
cite a white writer that I don't think is great, to
make my Tyler Perry critique seem more genuine."

>And actually I didn't care about the characters. Bates and
>Woodard just did a good job with Tyler Perry's script.

Translation: "Orbit, you know I can't give credit to
Tyler Perry for a good script, so allow me to just write
it off to two good actresses and give no credit, at all,
to Tyler Perry. You and I both know the script was
good,though."


> That's
>says more about their acting abilities than Perry's writing.

LOL


>Woodard's character was a saint with little to no deviation,
>there were several unnecessary scenes that established just
>how divine she was. Only reason it was acceptable is that
>Woodard is a good actor.

LOL. Wrong.

Woodard was hardly a saint -- she was a god fearing older
woman who probably had made several mistakes but tried
to raise her children earnestly and stick to her morals.
Hell, I know dozens of older black women just like that.

Idiot

>Lathan was a vile harpy from the outset, not a lot of nuance
>there.

LOL. Wrong.

>There are other examples, but first I think you should follow
>this link and study the information you find.
>
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nuance

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

This nigga is so upset right, he's linking dictionary
definitions


>Who said they mentioned it? Oh ok, now I get why you think
>that this movie is nuanced. You think that if someone doesn't
>say something that means that they aren't being explicit.

Keep


>No, you didn't. The movie wasn't nuanced. The movie didn't do
>a better job than other films in commenting on race relations
>or interactions. It wasn't a well written script. It wasn't a
>masterpiece.


Note all the negatives and the absence of positives.

Kids,

See how his tone changed? Nothing like it was before.


>But you know what, I get the feeling that you just like being
>an asshole and getting a rise out of people. So this will be
>my last post. But just for posterity's sake let me state my
>position one last time.

Translation: "FUCK ORBIT. YOU GOT ME TO WATCH
this GOOD MOVIE and OPENLY ADMIT IT!!! Aight,
I've had enough of you, man. I'm going to go
sit in a corner and CRY


>1) It wasn't a masterpiece. I question whether or not you
>actually understand what that word means. There's difference
>between a good film and masterpiece, but I guess for a fan of
>Tyler Perry the bar is fucking low. When I say that movie is
>good, I'm not saying that it was a must see film, I'm not
>saying it belongs in the canon of great films. A good film is
>in the mid B to high C range. A masterpiece is an A+ film.
>This shit isn't an A+ film.
>
>2) It wasn't nuanced.
>
>3) It was predictable and Perry rehashed things we've all seen
>in films before
>
>4) A lot of the characters were one dimensional. However a few
>of the actors transcended this.
>
>5) The plot was engaging but predictable.
>
>6) The ending was a tacked on piece of bullshit.
>
>7) It wasn't a bad movie. That doesn't mean it was the movie
>of the year. It was a good movie but ultimately forgettable
>film.

In seven points, he said two things that weren't
negative, one of them positive("It was a good movie.")

Note how much more negative this post was than the original
review. See how mad he's gotten?

All he had to do was thinking before he posted, and it
would been all love.



>But I've waded in your inflammatory bullshit long enough. I
>hope that one day you learn to differentiate between a
>non-shitty film and a masterpiece.

Translation: "Good shit, Orbit. I walked into a trap.
I allowed my anger to dedicate several hours of my day
to you, and even admit that I was 'engaged'. Of course,
after I realized I was being sonned, I had to change my
view again, but that's how I do. All good, son. Thanks
for turning me onto a damn good movie. Peace, Herb."

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

>Kids,
>Let's note how his opinion is getting more and
>more negative now that he just got EMBARRASSED
>after he realized how he walked into a trap.
>He realizes now that I got him to stop what he
>was doing and watch a movie, all because
>
>When he first posted his response, he was less afraid
>to say good things about the film.
>
>Now he's in here STEAMING because he WALKED RIGHT
>INTO A TRAP and so he's going to backpedal AGAIN
>by finding new negative things to say about the film.

What are you talking about? My verdict on the film was that it was "good" but flawed. I pointed out several problems with the film. What you did was harp on the fact that I didn't hate the film and claimed that as a victory.

Did I not point out that the characters were one dimensional. Did I not say that the there was a dues ex machina ending and that the film was predictable? Did I not mention that there was a lot of unnecessary exposition?

Come on fam...I'm elaborating on my points cuz you were jumping around like you won some shit.

>He already said it was "good" and "engaging."

It was...but that's fucking bare minimum for a film. A film should engage me. That doesn't make it special, it just means it isn't complete shit. You're mistaking brass for gold homie.

>Now he's going to try to divert attention from the
>fact that we all know he liked the film, and so he
>starts having a semantic debate about what "nuanced"
>means, all so he can save face and return to being an
>idiotic hater.

You didn't read my response to the film did you? You read the word "good" and had your self a little moment didn't you?

>He's been exposed: He hated for no reason, watched the
>film, gave me his (somewhat)honest opinion, realized how
>bad it made him looked, and then backtracked by finding
>new negative shit to say about the film.

What new negative shit? Those are elaborations on points I already made in my original response.

And I didn't hate for no reason. I was talking about TP in general. I repeatedly said i wasn't commenting on this particular movie.

You've got selective memory like a muthafucka.

>Let's archive this one. This is exhibit A for why I
>don't like wack niggas.

So you're a self hating muthafucka huh?


>Translation: "The script was good."

If you take anything away from this. Remember this. Tyler Perry is not, I repeat not a good writer. This, the best film that I've seen by him, does not have a good script.

See when I say things like it was predictable and the characters were one dimensional it means that that it wasn't a good script.


>Translation: "To make myself seem less biased, I'll
>cite a white writer that I don't think is great, to
>make my Tyler Perry critique seem more genuine."

No I picked John Grisham because he's an example of a writer who has a particular audience who he churns out drivel for. However hehas one or two that surpass his usual mundane drivel.

You seem to be the one who's hung up on race.


>Translation: "Orbit, you know I can't give credit to
>Tyler Perry for a good script, so allow me to just write
>it off to two good actresses and give no credit, at all,
>to Tyler Perry. You and I both know the script was
>good,though."

But that's just it. It wasn't good. Bates and Woodard are better actors than Perry is a writer/director.

Please don't tell me this is the first time you've seen an actor give a good performance despite a weak script.


>LOL. Wrong.
>
>Woodard was hardly a saint -- she was a god fearing older
>woman who probably had made several mistakes but tried
>to raise her children earnestly and stick to her morals.
>Hell, I know dozens of older black women just like that.

You're basing that on what? Your assumptions about the characters or what was actually in the film? The most you could go off of was Lathan bringing up their estranged father. But the amount of information contained in that scene couldn't possibly give you enough to make your baseless claim.

The character was a saint. Saying she was probably this or probably that don't work...wanna know why? Cuz it wasn't in the damn film.


>
>
>Note all the negatives and the absence of positives.

Wanna know why there are no positives? Cuz you're being a tool. I said the film was good. What you're mad because I don't think it was Citizen Kane? Damn stop being so insecure.

What did I say earlier in this debate? I said if I thought the film was good I'd admit it. Which I did. But I also thought the film was problematic and not worthy of being called masterpiece or even great for that matter. But I guess someone giving an honest opinion doesn't sit well with TP fanboys.

>Translation: "FUCK ORBIT. YOU GOT ME TO WATCH
>this GOOD MOVIE and OPENLY ADMIT IT!!! Aight,
>I've had enough of you, man. I'm going to go
>sit in a corner and CRY

Nah...I was getting sick of your assholishness...but you're an entertaining little troll.


>Translation: "Good shit, Orbit. I walked into a trap.
>I allowed my anger to dedicate several hours of my day
>to you, and even admit that I was 'engaged'. Of course,
>after I realized I was being sonned, I had to change my
>view again, but that's how I do. All good, son. Thanks
>for turning me onto a damn good movie. Peace, Herb."

Translation: I spend all day on the internet baiting people because I've got nothing better to do. I'm like a 12 year old on Xbox live, I dedicate a lot of time an energy into being a douchebag. Damn I wish I had real friends.

It wasn't a damn good movie homie...just regular old good. At its best it'll end up a TBS saturday afternoon staple or it'll be some shit someone rents, mildly enjoys, and never thinks about again.


"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

1)Oh yeah, you switched speeds. Note how all of your
"elaborations" on points you made after your first
review have been wholly negative. You haven't elaborated
on a single good thing in the film, which is proof that
you don't think for yourself, but are upset and mad
about life.

2)Even on the good things that you mentioned, you are
clear to make sure Tyler Perry had nothing to do with them.
So your backup strategy, after getting mad at me has been:

"Orbit, the film is good, but I won't give Tyler Perry
a smidgen of credit for it, because it would hurt my feelings
even more than they are hurt, and I'm about to hang myself
as it is."


I not only got you watching movies, I got you admitting
they are good, and then I make you feel so bad for doing
so that you backtrack and switch speeds, and get flustered
and upset.


That's why I'm a winner in life.


>Did I not point out that the characters were one dimensional.
>Did I not say that the there was a dues ex machina ending and
>that the film was predictable? Did I not mention that there
>was a lot of unnecessary exposition?

Its funny, because now you're EXCLUSIVELY talking
about the negatives. You didn't do that until
after you realized that O_E rules your day. I made
you stop what you were doing, watch a movie, say it
was good, and then get SO MAD, you switched up your
opinon.

>Come on fam...I'm elaborating on my points cuz you were
>jumping around like you won some shit.

LOL - no, you're getting more negative because you've
been embarassed.


>It was...but that's fucking bare minimum for a film. A film
>should engage me. That doesn't make it special, it just means
>it isn't complete shit. You're mistaking brass for gold
>homie.

^^^^Haha. Now you're putting a negative spin on the
fact that you were "engaged."


I mean, this is wonderful.



>What new negative shit? Those are elaborations on points I
>already made in my original response.

Correction: NEGATIVE elaborations. Notice how you haven't
elaborated on the positive. You'll probably do it now,
but its too late because I've already sniffed it out.

Your opinion has changed -- you seem to like the film
less and less with each post, and again, its because you're
made at ME.


>If you take anything away from this. Remember this. Tyler
>Perry is not, I repeat not a good writer. This, the best film
>that I've seen by him, does not have a good script.

LOL - negative elaboration.

>See when I say things like it was predictable and the
>characters were one dimensional it means that that it wasn't a
>good script.

Negative elaboration on good movie: "It was good,
but Perry's writing had nothing to do with it."


>But that's just it. It wasn't good. Bates and Woodard are
>better actors than Perry is a writer/director.

Negative elaboration on a good movie: "It was good, but
the actresses did it and not Tyler Perry."

>Please don't tell me this is the first time you've seen an
>actor give a good performance despite a weak script.

That happens all the time. Problem is, this film isn't
guilty of that.


>You're basing that on what? Your assumptions about the
>characters or what was actually in the film? The most you
>could go off of was Lathan bringing up their estranged father.
>But the amount of information contained in that scene couldn't
>possibly give you enough to make your baseless claim.

Well, no, actually.

>The character was a saint. Saying she was probably this or
>probably that don't work...wanna know why? Cuz it wasn't in
>the damn film.

Actually, it was.

And even if it was, Tyler Perry had nothing to do with
it, did he?

LOL

>Wanna know why there are no positives? Cuz you're being a
>tool.

At least you're honest.

>I said the film was good. What you're mad because I
>don't think it was Citizen Kane? Damn stop being so insecure.

No, but you've decided to elaborate on the negatives
and not the positives and absolve Tyler Perry from any
credit for the film's positives.

Its pathetic and in plain view for everyone to see.


You're enraged, doggie.

>What did I say earlier in this debate? I said if I thought the
>film was good I'd admit it. Which I did. But I also thought
>the film was problematic and not worthy of being called
>masterpiece or even great for that matter. But I guess someone
>giving an honest opinion doesn't sit well with TP fanboys.

But you've continuously elaborated on the film's negatives
and not positives, which is unfair and a sign that you're disdain
for ME is influencing your opinion of the film.

OE dictates YOUR OPINION, which is another reason I'm a
black stallion.

>Translation: I spend all day on the internet baiting people
>because I've got nothing better to do. I'm like a 12 year old
>on Xbox live, I dedicate a lot of time an energy into being a
>douchebag. Damn I wish I had real friends.

Hey, you didn't make me watch no movie.

You SPECIFICALLY watched the movie because of ME.

That's a *swish* for the Orbster.

>It wasn't a damn good movie homie...just regular old good. At
>its best it'll end up a TBS saturday afternoon staple or it'll
>be some shit someone rents, mildly enjoys, and never thinks
>about twice again.


Mad?


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later tonight if I'm bored or i've got time to kill.

Never change fam, it's been real.

"Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one"-Anonymous


The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;the deadliest poison is covetousness;the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance.-The Buddha

Like I said, don't be hard on yourself. Take it like
a (wo)man, and grow from it.

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especially when you told him how mad he was. fuck that shit was ill.

i'm lolin

The way he spaces out his message with....






















Mad? Is brilliant cause it lets you stew in your madness a little bit before realize how mad you really are. Then he'll be like...

























Mad but why for? and you'll be like, shit I don't know. This nigga OE got me mad again! It's crazy man, OE is like on some genius level poster shit. I be reading his posts like who will he get mad today and sho nuff he gets a nigga mad with subtle and precise reasoning. Never over the top or sensationalized. Amazing.

did you fondle his asshole?
this is a bit much even for moi
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka

Seriously -- Why art thou Mad?

(and gay. mentioning other niggas dicks
and assholes in one post = *people's eyebrow*)


But let me reason with you(for real this time):














































































































































































Why you mad?












































































































































For why? Explain.
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Carry on...
________________________________________________________________________
He is stupid
But he KNOWS that he is stupid
And that almost makes him smart
Let's listen

n/m

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But no, let me ask you for real now..


















































Upset?





















































How why?

> Never over the top or sensationalized.
>Amazing.
>

>> Never over the top or sensationalized.
>>Amazing.

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I don't remember all the details becuz I was forced to see it so long ago, but I'll try to remember what I didn't like about it.

-Sanaa was an accountant making $60k/yr, she sat in board meeting with top execs, but her and her construction worker hubby lived like they were both making 6 digits/yr. Husband was never suspicious and she managed to save what, 300k? Yet she didn't want to pay for daycare and acted pretty shitty to her fam who watched the kid. The whole arrangement was just "odd".

-So the homeless guy was rich and was content to be a bum until the end of the film where the son's intentions were exposed?! Oh wait so was the mother, she was rich, but she struggled, so the rich mother could say "A-HA!" at the end. It was like they were part of a big prank, except the joke was on er'body BUT rich white lady. One of the biggest conflicts in the film was solved with EASE.

-My date said "she's dying" as soon as she said she wanted to take a trip. Luckily, it was an empty theater, we could talk shyt and laugh during the unintentional funny parts of the movie.

Overall, it just seemed like a Lifetime movie. I'd never really seen his movies, but all I could think about was my friend, who said "Tyler Perry writes like a 6th grade girl" lol


catch a swollen heart, from not rollin' smart

LOL - but YIKES at this post

>-Sanaa was an accountant making $60k/yr, she sat in board
>meeting with top execs, but her and her construction worker
>hubby lived like they were both making 6 digits/yr. Husband
>was never suspicious and she managed to save what, 300k? Yet
>she didn't want to pay for daycare and acted pretty shitty to
>her fam who watched the kid. The whole arrangement was just
>"odd".

LOL

You've never seen a dysfunctional marriage with a pussy
whipped man and a woman who is in control. Happens all
the time, actually.

>-So the homeless guy was rich and was content to be a bum
>until the end of the film where the son's intentions were
>exposed?! Oh wait so was the mother, she was rich, but she
>struggled, so the rich mother could say "A-HA!" at the end.

Uh. Somebody didn't understand the movie.

Yowzers.

I guess I can't hate you for being stupid, but if you
thought that is what went on, you're downright embarrassing.


>It
>was like they were part of a big prank, except the joke was on
>er'body BUT rich white lady. One of the biggest conflicts in
>the film was solved with EASE.

Yowzers.


>-My date said "she's dying" as soon as she said she wanted to
>take a trip. Luckily, it was an empty theater, we could talk
>shyt and laugh during the unintentional funny parts of the
>movie.


Funny. The reason your date predicted it is because its
realistic. That's what people who are dying want to do.

So much for your "its not realistic" charge.

LOL

>Overall, it just seemed like a Lifetime movie. I'd never
>really seen his movies, but all I could think about was my
>friend, who said "Tyler Perry writes like a 6th grade girl"
>lol

Apparently he writes like an Oxford literature professor,
because you and your date didn't grasp basic concepts and
events.

Either that, or y'all aren't the brightest crayons in the
box.


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catch a swollen heart, from not rollin' smart

At any rate, everything I mentioned is chronicled here as well
http://tinyurl.com/5acndv


catch a swollen heart, from not rollin' smart

I liked it much better, but qualitatively they said
basically the same thing I said:

"Perry's notoriously overstuffed plots have sometimes been top-heavy, but this movie, like Woody Allen's Hannah and Her Sisters, hangs on an elegant structure that doesn't feel forced. Perry's skills as a director have improved as his casts have gotten better, and he gives the lovely Woodard one of her most satisfying roles . . . By melding the pleasures of 1950s-style melodrama . . . with equal-gender, African-American-aimed plots, Perry has found success in a niche only he now occupies. And by adding Christian tenets and modern issues . . . Perry shows he knows what his audience wants. First and foremost, that's a smart, satisfying movie experience, which Family is."

Because I'd have to watch this and refute you.

Thanks!

>Because I'd have to watch this and refute you.
>
>Thanks!

Your whiteness makes you sure that you'd dislike the
film and have to refute me.

Exactly my point.

There is a strong chance you'll actually like it,
in reality, but whiteness tends not to allow for
such objectivity.

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>>Because I'd have to watch this and refute you.
>>
>>Thanks!
>
>Your whiteness makes you sure that you'd dislike the
>film and have to refute me.
>
>Exactly my point.
>
You're a racist. Or can I start talking Watermellon and Chicken shit in your posts now??

it's one or the other - choose.

Option ( A ): OE is a racist

Option ( B ): You can talk about watermelon and chicken



























































































































































( C ): You mad


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Good art should be able to appeal to all races.

>Good art should be able to appeal to all races.

It does appeal. I said that from the very
beginning, dumbass.


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