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448207, why is it ok to show a woman in full nudity in films but not men? Posted by vee-lover, Sun Apr-26-09 11:34 AM
I have always wondered this since I was a kid. I have my reasons why this is so but I've never heard anyone address this issue...not any actors/actresses...not any directors....or anyone in Hollywood for that matter.
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448208, because the naked men are just goofy looking Posted by BigWorm, Sun Apr-26-09 12:02 PM
All wagging it around like that.
No really of course the obvious answer is this is still a sexist society and put simply a lot of straight guys just don't want to see dong on the big screen, not for art's sake, not ever.
There are plenty of other countries like that at various levels, but since American movies make so much money...
I really don't see that changing any time soon, not in this country...it's about the same now as it was thirty years ago...
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448209, lol...It was kind of a rhetorical question but you're right Posted by vee-lover, Sun Apr-26-09 12:08 PM
>No really of course the obvious answer is this is still a >sexist society and put simply a lot of straight guys just >don't want to see dong on the big screen, not for art's sake, >not ever.
that's true but I'm still surprised you don't hear any women's groups claiming sexism or someone in mainstream media address this matter. This has been the norm in most films since I can remember and even today when there is more nudity in movies than ever before you still see women fully nude but not men.
>I really don't see that changing any time soon, not in this >country...it's about the same now as it was thirty years >ago...
yeah, I must say, I don't foresee any change either in this regard.
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448211, 'cause it's gay Posted by El_Pistolero, Sun Apr-26-09 12:25 PM
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448214, and with women I guess it's not?... Posted by vee-lover, Sun Apr-26-09 12:34 PM
see, what this says more than anything is about mens sexual hangups, particularly white men, and the many insecurities about men and sexuality/sex and the human body and especially the female body.
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448808, it's was a joke Posted by El_Pistolero, Wed Apr-29-09 01:35 PM
Don't get all 'I-took-one-course-in Women's-Studies-so-I-know-everything-about-female-opression' on me, sheeeit.
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448821, lol my bad fam you know sometimes its hard to gage if someone is Posted by vee-lover, Wed Apr-29-09 03:14 PM
joking or not on the computer....
>Don't get all 'I-took-one-course-in >Women's-Studies-so-I-know-everything-about-female-opression' >on me, sheeeit.
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448831, It's cool my sarcasm didn't translate well there. Posted by El_Pistolero, Wed Apr-29-09 04:28 PM
But I agree with you, there is a double standard. Any time a movie has full-frontal nudity it's gross, but any time an actress gets buck nekkid then she wins an Oscar.
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448221, Because you live in a country founded by puritans Posted by Wrongthink, Sun Apr-26-09 12:48 PM
and as a result have a society with completely fucked up views on sexuality.
So don't try and find logic in it, because there isn't any.
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448222, In all honesty, I know you're right Posted by vee-lover, Sun Apr-26-09 12:53 PM
>and as a result have a society with completely fucked up >views on sexuality. > >So don't try and find logic in it, because there isn't any.
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448227, ^ Posted by WaxLablTabler, Sun Apr-26-09 01:20 PM
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448358, And there ya have it. Posted by kurlyswirl, Mon Apr-27-09 11:34 AM
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448224, i've seen 2 penii in 2 big films this year already Posted by hardware, Sun Apr-26-09 01:09 PM
Watchmen and Observe and Report
but a naked man isn't as elegant as a woman
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448257, that naked man in watchmen was SO damn elegant Posted by lfresh, Sun Apr-26-09 05:20 PM
boy oh BOY was he elegant elegance personified i'm mad i didn't see it in imax ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448226, men and women are not equal, n/m Posted by k_orr, Sun Apr-26-09 01:13 PM
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448231, Because the female body is a work of art Posted by Marauder21, Sun Apr-26-09 02:02 PM
and the male body is like a Jeep © Elaine
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448234, Because nobody wants to see that shit Posted by BennyTenStack, Sun Apr-26-09 02:11 PM
Not even women.
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448236, RE: Because nobody wants to see that shit Posted by vee-lover, Sun Apr-26-09 02:40 PM
>Not even women.
actually I don't think it's so much about not liking it as it is about double standards and sexism.
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448238, Between the legs vagina shots are just as rare as penises in film Posted by quakka1, Sun Apr-26-09 02:45 PM
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448304, I'd say rarer Posted by zuma1986, Mon Apr-27-09 12:26 AM
I mean although cock is rare I can think of 5 films right off the top of my head (Brown Bunny, Bad Lieutenant, Forgetting Sarah Marshell, The Watchmen, Boogie Nights) no problem and I know I could think of some more. Where as with vag Basic Instinct is the only one for sure, don't remember if Species had vag in it. But breasts are almost the only thing shown most times b/c vag is kinda offensive to a lot of ppl as is cock. Plus in our society we worship the female body much like Greek and Roman society worshiped the male body.
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448240, two reasons Posted by NoShelter, Sun Apr-26-09 03:05 PM
well there is the idea that when a woman is naked you don't "see" actually genitalia between their legs, and for men you do.
the second reason is that women do not really want to see a "flaccid" penis, it don't do nothing for them really. If films have trouble showing a flaccid penis, they for damn sure won't show an erect one, which women would prefer to see.
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448245, this might be the best explanation I've heard thus far...great post Posted by vee-lover, Sun Apr-26-09 03:47 PM
>well there is the idea that when a woman is naked you don't >"see" actually genitalia between their legs, and for men you >do. > >the second reason is that women do not really want to see a >"flaccid" penis, it don't do nothing for them really. If films >have trouble showing a flaccid penis, they for damn sure won't >show an erect one, which women would prefer to see.
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448287, RE: two reasons Posted by BigWorm, Sun Apr-26-09 10:11 PM
Do you think that's it?
Yes actually 99% of movies outside of porn will not show the vagina apart from public hairs, but...
Idunno if that's it.
It's not like 'well no one's interested in seeing a penis if it isn't erect, so why bother...'
If not now, then I know there at least used to be laws/rules that you absolutely CAN NOT show an erect penis in films, not in U.S. movies anyway.
Apart from non-porn, and this includes softcore--I can only think of two cases of this: Lie With Me--a Canadian film--and Catherine Breiullet's Anatomy of Hell.
I don't know, I'd imagine that sometimes the censors balk at showing erect nipples too.
I mean I won't suggest that I know exactly what kind of movie nudity turns on the average woman. But I also think most of the people making movies largely don't give a damn.
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448330, lmao Posted by budz4zo, Mon Apr-27-09 09:43 AM
>Yes actually 99% of movies outside of porn will not show the >vagina apart from public hairs, but...
he said public...lol
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448242, Women full frontal naked are sexy. Men full frontal naked are funny. Posted by Frank Longo, Sun Apr-26-09 03:38 PM
There's a great story about how Kevin Costner was supposed to have a full frontal scene during a sexy part of For Love Of The Game, and people in the test audiences kept laughing.
You'll see dicks waaaaay more often in comedies (Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Walk Hard, Sideways, etc) for that reason.
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448335, definitely Posted by MadDagoNH, Mon Apr-27-09 10:02 AM
Shit, isn't that basically what Apatow said? He said it's ridiculous that people are offended, and basically, he just finds it funny. Add to that the other stuff (the dick being utilitarian and not all that great to look at, sexism by the people controlling this shit, American attitudes on the depiction of sexuality) and I think you have all the reasons.
But shit, even in something like Any Given Sunday, you know they had that locker room scene with the idea of using that as comic relief.
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448459, I thought of Walk Hard the second i saw this post. Posted by thoughtprocess, Mon Apr-27-09 09:34 PM
>There's a great story about how Kevin Costner was supposed to >have a full frontal scene during a sexy part of For Love Of >The Game, and people in the test audiences kept laughing. > >You'll see dicks waaaaay more often in comedies (Forgetting >Sarah Marshall, Walk Hard, Sideways, etc) for that reason.
so hilarious, moreso because it's unnecessary.
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448465, that's cause it's kevin costner Posted by lfresh, Mon Apr-27-09 10:08 PM
no one would laugh at duane johnson no on elaughed at 300 and not a titter during watchmen so yep i call bullshit ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448601, cmon. Posted by thoughtprocess, Tue Apr-28-09 12:54 PM
>and not a titter during watchmen
it got goofy, cause there was a reason, it just wasn't mentioned in the movie.
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448907, no a single titter nor giggle Posted by lfresh, Wed Apr-29-09 11:25 PM
> >>and not a titter during watchmen > >it got goofy, cause there was a reason, it just wasn't >mentioned in the movie.
guffaw nada so what is your point? ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448603, In 300, there weren't a bunch of bare penises flopping about. Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Apr-28-09 12:58 PM
In Watchmen, folks WERE laughing.
The only scene in recent memory that had full frontal nudity effectively used in a way that didn't provoke laughter was Eastern Promises... and even then, teenagers were all giggly.
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448908, not in my movie Posted by lfresh, Wed Apr-29-09 11:25 PM
and not in any of the movie my friends saw as a matter of fact the women LOVED it ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448910, AND it was in imax frank Posted by lfresh, Wed Apr-29-09 11:32 PM
so there! bigger projection should bring bigger laughter no? no ha! long live male gratuitous nudity (of equal body type value that is i'm not tryna see mr farley nekkid) ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448912, So most people find dicks funny except lfresh and her friends. Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Apr-29-09 11:38 PM
Their panties get wet and their ears tune out the laughs of everyone else.
I'm learning a lot in this post. :)
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449040, correction Posted by lfresh, Thu Apr-30-09 09:44 PM
people find funny dicks funny kevin costner = funny dick (funny body not the most attractive dude)
duane johnson = not funny dick blue man from watchmen = not funny dick the mostly nude bodies of the 300 men... um...who laughed again? not i but i guess most of the world is my friend in this case sir ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448809, oh really? lol Posted by will_5198, Wed Apr-29-09 01:36 PM
>and not a titter during watchmen
ew, his dick is blue! (c) grown woman two rows behind me
Jeff, it's your favorite part (c) fratboys
what the fuck (c) old man in front of me
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448909, yes really Posted by lfresh, Wed Apr-29-09 11:28 PM
got damn (c) me woah(c)woman behind me ooh keep showing that (c) woman far back row the titters were at her comment not at the penis
& asking friends who saw it not with me nope no one laughed it was the exact opposite major appreciation for male gratuitous nudity need more of it in fact ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448916, you said no one laughed during Watchmen Posted by will_5198, Wed Apr-29-09 11:45 PM
but you didn't collectively sit in on every viewing in America, and my experience was the exact opposite.
SOOOOOO
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449041, why do i need to qualify? Posted by lfresh, Thu Apr-30-09 09:46 PM
>but you didn't collectively sit in on every viewing in
sweeping statements are being made up and down this post i didn't tell you to assume i sat in all theatres and it is definitely proof you guys didn't as well ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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448267, cause its wrong. Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Apr-26-09 07:14 PM
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448289, ^^^^ Posted by Allah, Sun Apr-26-09 10:36 PM
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448288, straight men (like my self) are mostly the writers producers and directors Posted by Allah, Sun Apr-26-09 10:34 PM
there you go
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448290, it has absolutely nothing to do with being straight Posted by BigWorm, Sun Apr-26-09 10:59 PM
The average straight man can go his whole life without seeing one swinging penis in a movie.
Women? If you want to see no female nudity at all, you have to avoid a great deal of R-rated movies, and that includes several of the Oscar Nominated ones.
Unless of course you're implying that if a woman can easily sit through female full frontal nudity, it's because she's secretly a lesbian...
My point: being a straight man has nothing to do with being repulsed by seeing male genitalia on a big screen. Maybe you'd have a point if you tried to say that they only show tiny dills on screen, and in general that gives men all round a bad rep...
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448297, what about all those straight men that saw FSM and Borat Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Apr-26-09 11:47 PM
>The average straight man can go his whole life without seeing >one swinging penis in a movie. >
So much for that right?
Theres 3 that i saw that i CANT UN-SEE!
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448300, Hence my reply, which I think (humbly) is the best in the post. Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Apr-27-09 12:05 AM
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448310, I was generalizing Posted by BigWorm, Mon Apr-27-09 05:02 AM
There are exceptions.
But you probably know at least one guy out there who's never seen a film with male nudity.
If you know a girl that hasn't seen female nudity in some film, it probably means she doesn't watch R movies at all and almost never watches movies made in Europe.
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448293, ^Didnt see Watchmen^ Posted by KnowOne, Sun Apr-26-09 11:18 PM
nm
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448464, mkayin Posted by lfresh, Mon Apr-27-09 10:07 PM
and it was fantastic ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ Afro-American haiku: If Elvis Presley / is King / Who is James Brown, / God?(c) Baraka
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449018, Or forgettting sarah marshall Posted by The3rdOne, Thu Apr-30-09 02:38 PM
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448354, Because the feminine body is a work of art. Posted by ZooTown74, Mon Apr-27-09 11:26 AM
*sips latte*
*stunts some more*
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448467, "It's called the double standard. Don't knock it... Posted by Ryan M, Mon Apr-27-09 10:10 PM
...we got the long end of the stick on that one." - Hank Hill.
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448592, is it just me... Posted by happytrees, Tue Apr-28-09 12:36 PM
or are both become more and more popular/acceptable?
I mean, just talking about sarah marshal, watchmen, observe and report and the other few that were mentioned, it seems like the trend is changing...
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448793, What movies show vadge other than Basic Instinct? Posted by bski, Wed Apr-29-09 12:34 PM
Cuz I can't think of any.
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448828, are you kidding? PLENTY Posted by BigWorm, Wed Apr-29-09 04:00 PM
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448803, say thank you gilbert, say thank you Posted by rick, Wed Apr-29-09 01:12 PM
and stop looking gift horses in the penis
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448805, RE: why is it ok to show a woman in full nudity in films but not men? Posted by MrUnapologetic69, Wed Apr-29-09 01:28 PM
I am new to this site, but this forum caught my eye. I remember this question being asked on a TV show a long time ago and the response was that the male anatomy is considered pornographic because of it's pronounced nature. I hope that makes sense... With women you really don't see much unless she literally opens her legs for the camera to show you all her glory.
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448810, dicks are one of the ugliest things on planet earth Posted by will_5198, Wed Apr-29-09 01:42 PM
shits look like the baby that hatched in Aliens
now, the actual pussy is pretty nasty to behold as well -- ain't nobody want to see a magnified clit on a big-ass movie screen neither
but women's breasts and ass are beautiful
even girls are mesmerized by those two features ("you have great tits! I love your butt in those jeans")
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448850, welcome to 1988 Posted by The3rdOne, Wed Apr-29-09 06:21 PM
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