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428485, Get Rich or Die Trying = top 5 biopic of the last decade
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-21-09 01:26 PM



At least the last decade. Perhaps longer.

The fact that 50 was in it makes it even better, actually.
With 50 in it, there is no bullshit pretentious wannabe Oscar
award winner starring as the figure talking about:

"OMG I, like, had to take 8 months and like, totally immerse
myself in the character. I, like, wore (blank)'s clothes, ate the
same food he ate, fucked all the same girls he fucked, everything.
I really wanted to BE (blank)."

Having 50 in it takes the latte out of the film and allows us
to focus on the STORY which is actually tremendous. The direction
was top notch. The characters? Compelling.

In summary, GRODT is better, or much better than:

Ray, Man on the Moon, The Johnny Cash one, Ali, Pollock,
W, Basketball Diaries(more than a decade ago, but still),
Lots of others

About as good or not quite as good as: Beautiful Mind(better
than GRODT), Boogie Nights(about as good), Talk to Me(better
than GRODT)











































































































































































































































































































































































Now, precisely how mad does this make you?

And how hard are you going to fight this one?



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428486, I think biopics in general, suck
Posted by will_5198, Wed Jan-21-09 01:29 PM
the ones I seemed to enjoy more were about people I knew nothing about.
428500, I will admit it was a lot better than I ever thought it could be
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Jan-21-09 02:19 PM
But better than Ray? Basketball Diaries? Man On The Moon? I dunno. I haven't seen the last two in many years but I find that hard to believe.
428501, 2 things. You're wrong. Nobody's mad.
Posted by bignick, Wed Jan-21-09 02:23 PM
428522, You didn't see it.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-21-09 03:30 PM

n/m
428502, GRDT was a solid movie
Posted by jambone, Wed Jan-21-09 02:28 PM
it got panned because 50 was in it, and that time 50 was the number #1 villain. everybody wanted to see him fail

it was aight movie, worth checking out.

the only slight back was that you already knew his story by the time it was released....to the point you were habituated by it. it had been only 2 years since his debut where the world knew who he was. 50 and his life were a walking movie up until that time.

so in essence, 50's overexposure hurt the film from a hate-standpoint and just a general interest standpoint.

50 did an adequte job of acting. much like Cube and Latifah. Raw talents who made a good transition from rapping to acting by not overdoing it in the film, and just stay within their bounds and pull it off (unlike others like Ludacris and LL Cool J).

and the other supporting actors like Terrance Howard (who was great and funnny in it) and the cat from Oz held the movie down as well.

i also liked the angle they worked about 50 always wanted the father that he never had to rescue him, until he finally realized, 50 himself, not the father he never had, could do it. that was tight.

i'd also agree with the fact that GRDT was better than that sh*t-box Ray and the dreadful Ali.

solid movie that got a bad rap (no pun).

428503, Loved the movie
Posted by Oak27, Wed Jan-21-09 02:35 PM
I didn't want to see it at first because I'm not much of a 50 fan anymore and I figured it would just be a dumb and cliche "guy from the hood sells drugs and wants to rap" story but a guy I worked with, who is a 40 year old white dude with no interest in 50 or rap music, watched it and said he liked it so out of interested I caught it onDemand and thought it was great. 50 was a lot better than I was expecting and the story was solid. No complaints about the movie from me.
428516, Ray, Walk the Line, The Aviator, The Queen, The Diving Bell & The Butterfly
Posted by dunk, Wed Jan-21-09 03:11 PM
American Splendor & Capote are all far better movies. plus the ones u named

I'd put it in the top 15 and even then there are more movies that would knock it out the top 15.

but people made the movie to be a worse than it actually is.
428588, did anyone name American Gangster?
Posted by Bruce Belafonte, Wed Jan-21-09 06:36 PM
i mean... that was just about part of his life though just a fraction. but still...
428678, I'm one of the few people on here who liked 'American Gansgter'
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-22-09 05:56 AM
>i mean... that was just about part of his life though just a
>fraction. but still...

But it was not as good as GRODT
428755, I liked it better with repeated viewings & the directors cut
Posted by jigga, Thu Jan-22-09 11:46 AM
428519, I'm Bout It >>>>>>>>>>>> Get Rich or Die Trying
Posted by ZooTown74, Wed Jan-21-09 03:16 PM
NOPE! It's a biopic, it count























Yeah, I'm bullshittin', but GRODT is just not a good flick... sorry, it just ain't...
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Your battleship has sunk
I wish Grandma could see us...
428535, You didn't see it.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-21-09 03:52 PM

n/m

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428542, Actually, I did. And I remember arguing with jambone about it.
Posted by ZooTown74, Wed Jan-21-09 04:02 PM
Soooooo Ceej
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Your battleship has sunk
I wish Grandma could see us...
428540, is Boogie Nights a biopic? seems to fall into a historical fiction realm
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jan-21-09 04:00 PM
like a less literal Velvet Goldmine.

Anyway, I'd definitely say it was a better flick than GRODT......but then again I thought GRODT was better than Talk to Me.
428566, naw it's barely based on John Holmes
Posted by zuma1986, Wed Jan-21-09 05:35 PM
there's similarities but really there's a lot of differences. One of my fav movies of all-time though.
428574, Wonderland is closer to a Holmes biopic
Posted by SoulHonky, Wed Jan-21-09 05:48 PM
But even that's more about an event than a person.
428607, Wonderland is basically based on the Rolling Stone Holmes article
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jan-21-09 07:54 PM
which is incredible if you've never read it, it's in one of their best-of anthologies put out years back.

Boogie Nights to me is more about that time period in the Valley and then sort of creates colorful characters around it.
428559, Bardem and Cheadle each have two better.
Posted by SoulHonky, Wed Jan-21-09 05:13 PM
Bardem's Before Night Falls and The Sea Inside and Don's Hotel Rwanda and Talk to Me are better IMO.

I'd also nominate: The Pianist, The Motorcycle Diaries, The Pursuit of Happyness, Milk, and La Vie en Rose for this decade.

Not sure where I stand on these (well some of them I know I don't like) but I'd bet the following would get some latte love and cappuccino caresses: Chopper, Erin Brockovich, Lumumba, Pollock, Ali, Blow, Antwone Fisher, Auto Focus, Frida, American Splendor, Monster, Finding Neverland, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Cadillac Records.

I might actually got with the Don/Bardem films and then Motorcycle Diaries for my five.
428567, ^^^^on point
Posted by zuma1986, Wed Jan-21-09 05:40 PM
>I'd also nominate: The Pianist, The Motorcycle Diaries, The
>Pursuit of Happyness, Milk, and La Vie en Rose for this
>decade.
Milk is easily one of the best. But does Motorcycle Diaires count? I mean it only covers such a small period of time in somebody's life.

I've only seen Blow, Frida, American Splendor, Monster, Finding Neverland and by far a million times better than Get Rich or Die Tryin'.
428575, I think those are often better biopics
Posted by SoulHonky, Wed Jan-21-09 05:51 PM
I think it's worse when people try to tell someone's entire life in two hours. It was the problem with Chaplin and many other biopics.

Pick a moment in time, ala Ali, and tell that story in depth rather than glossing over an entire life.
428585, Agreed. My favorite biopics are ones that cover a short period.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jan-21-09 06:20 PM
IE Milk, Ed Wood, Raging Bull, The Motorcycle Diaries, etc. I haven't seen GRODT so I can't really comment on the original post...but my understanding is that it probably covers a short period of time, like an 8 Mile.
428589, My point was that Motorcycle Diairies isn't about the life
Posted by zuma1986, Wed Jan-21-09 06:37 PM
of Che but one event, so can it be considered a biography when it's not about the life? I mean isn't it just a film based on a true story, no different than say Good Night & Good Luck or The insider?

>Milk, Ed Wood, Raging Bull, The Motorcycle Diaries,
Every one of those films u mentioned except Motorcycle diaries cover a decent portion of the person's life, especially Raging Bull. Not the whole life but you defiantly get a good insight into their life as oppose to Motorcycle Diaries is just a story of his backpacking adventure.
428591, I guess. I mean, I understand your point...
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jan-21-09 06:48 PM
But to me, a biopic is one that focuses on a real life, historical person. In The Motorcycle Diaries, you got a sense of what shaped Che to be the Che that's on the t-shirts of hipsters and Jay-Z. It was all about knowing what he would become and seeing that...sorta like Anakin Skywalker in the Star Wars prequels I guess.
428603, Yep.
Posted by SoulHonky, Wed Jan-21-09 07:25 PM
In some cases, like The Insider or Frost/Nixon or Charlie Wilson's War, it's hard to call it a biopic because it doesn't focus on one person. I think Motorcycle Diaries focuses enough on Che that it counts as a biopic.

Again, I think focusing on one small aspect of someone's life is more interesting than the sweeping biopics.
428573, I'll sip to these
Posted by jigga, Wed Jan-21-09 05:48 PM

>Not sure where I stand on these (well some of them I know I
>don't like) but I'd bet the following would get some latte
>love and cappuccino caresses: Chopper, American Splendor, The
>Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.
428578, I respect your post, but you're mostly wrong.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-21-09 06:00 PM


>Bardem's Before Night Falls and The Sea Inside and Don's
>Hotel Rwanda and Talk to Me are better IMO.

Rwanda wasn't a biopic of Rusesabagina's(sp?) life.

It was about a single conflict. Not really the same.

And I can't honestly say its *better* than GRODT. Cheadler
was magnificent, but just because its about something that
caring people like doesn't mean its actually a better movie.

Before Night Falls was not better.

>I'd also nominate: The Pianist, The Motorcycle Diaries, The
>Pursuit of Happyness, Milk, and La Vie en Rose for this
>decade.

I'll give you Motorcycle Diaries(maybe).

Pursuit of Happyness wasn't really a biopic, because
it didn't cover much ground. It was about a single
conflict, really. It wasn't really better than GRODT,
really. Will Smith was phenomenal, and it had great
scenes, but front to back it wasn't better.

Just because it had the mushy factor don't make it
better.

Again - GRODT public perception is crafted by the fact
that people don't like 50 Cent, rather than how good
the movie was.


>Not sure where I stand on these (well some of them I know I
>don't like) but I'd bet the following would get some latte
>love and cappuccino caresses: Chopper, Erin Brockovich,
>Lumumba, Pollock, Ali, Blow, Antwone Fisher, Auto Focus,
>Frida, American Splendor, Monster, Finding Neverland, The
>Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The
>Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Cadillac Records.


'Finding Neverland?'

LOL.

That was 95% fiction, doggie. AND it fucking sucked.

Most of these were NOT better, and most aren't even
biopics.

Antwoine Fisher? LOL. No.

Eric Brokovich? Meh. Maybe as good. Certainly not
better.

Lamumba? 4 people saw it. And just because its about
a revolutionary leader don't mean its better.

>I might actually got with the Don/Bardem films and then
>Motorcycle Diaries for my five.

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428586, I would disagree here.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jan-21-09 06:26 PM
Cradle to the grave biopics (IE Ray, etc.) tend to suffer because they cover too much. There are some good ones of course, but in general. When a movie is focused on one aspect of one's life...it tends to be a better movie because it's more centered on one conflict much like a fictional script. Is GRODT more a young 50 to present day 50 type flick? Or is it more 8 Mile - where you see him come up?
428605, "Pursuit of Happyness" was a steaming pile of Goat Feces...
Posted by disco dj, Wed Jan-21-09 07:50 PM
I say this because I read the book first, and the film took WAAAAAAY too many liberties with casting and plot points.

FIRST of all Chris Gardner is VERY dark, and that played an important part in his development and all the shit he went through. So they cast Will Smith to play him?

*thumbs down*

SECOND, his wife was very dark as well. In fact, he referred to her as his "dark Goddess". So what does Hollywood do? Cast a light skinned British chick. Also, she was a nurse, not some chick that worked in a Hotel. ( I STILL don't know where they got THAT from)

*TWO thumbs down*


Finally, the best parts of his life ( the parts that led to his development as a man and a as a father) are the parts when he was a kid in Milwaukee and in The Navy. Yet the book only focuses on about a year or so. And the kid in the book was MUCH younger than Will's kid...

428631, LOL You're a dipshit.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-21-09 10:53 PM
>I say this because I read the book first, and the film took
>WAAAAAAY too many liberties with casting and plot points.

Okay. Thankfully I don't give a fuck what the book said,
because I'm not watching the book, I'm watching a movie.

>FIRST of all Chris Gardner is VERY dark, and that played an
>important part in his development and all the shit he went
>through. So they cast Will Smith to play him?

Because Will Smith knows how to portray enjoyable
characters, just the way they should be in movies.

You don't go to heaven for making the characters the
*same* way they are in books.

The only measure of goodness is how much people like
the fucking movie, and people liked the movie a lot.


So please, shush.

>SECOND, his wife was very dark as well. In fact, he referred
>to her as his "dark Goddess". So what does Hollywood do? Cast
>a light skinned British chick.

Oh, okay. Now you're being a dumbass activist.

Because the wife was mad gritty and troubled in the movie,
and it was perfect.

Whether she was dark skinned or not is irrelevant.

She was excellent in that role.

>Also, she was a nurse, not some
>chick that worked in a Hotel. ( I STILL don't know where they
>got THAT from)

Wow. I mean, that detail definitely ruined the movie.





















Jesus what a dipshit you are.

>Finally, the best parts of his life ( the parts that led to
>his development as a man and a as a father) are the parts when
>he was a kid in Milwaukee and in The Navy. Yet the book only
>focuses on about a year or so. And the kid in the book was
>MUCH younger than Will's kid...

Okay, but movies can't tell entire lives. And I liked how
they focused on the trial of fatherhood and what he dealt
with raising his son. That's exactly what made the fucking
movie good. If they included all these details about his
childhood, they'd have to cut out some of the other details
none of which could be sacrificed, because it would ruined
a coherent, well told story.

Seriously, shut up.

No one cares about the book.

The movie was enjoyable.

Just shush and be made.


428577, liked 8 Mile more
Posted by go mack, Wed Jan-21-09 05:56 PM
but it was decent

Ray and Ali were pretty boring to me also so not mad at you putting it over those.

Aviator better.
428584, LOL.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-21-09 06:18 PM

8 Mile had nice battle scenes.

But Eminem's life is boring



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428628, much better then 8 mile or notorious
Posted by southphillyman, Wed Jan-21-09 10:41 PM
definitely the best rap bio ever
428633, my favorite film! I hope Spike Lee directs the sequel!
Posted by BigWorm, Wed Jan-21-09 11:01 PM
Fuck these Tarantino-loving straw dogs, with they latte and they chainsaws.

They all mad.

WHY YOU MAD??? WHY YOU MAD?!?!?!?!!?!

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
428640, Never saw it. Can't comment.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jan-21-09 11:46 PM
428644, I really liked "American Splendor"
Posted by Walleye, Thu Jan-22-09 12:08 AM
My dad met Charlie Wilson a few times and was able to augment the film "Charlie Wilson's War" with a hilarious Crocodile Dundee-esque story of him trying to explain the difference between an actual weapon and a WWI replica gun by bringing some absurdly dangerous machine gun into a bureaucrat's office. So that was pretty cool.

I liked "The Libertine" and "Shadow of the Vampire". And that's it.

The category "biopic" works as a kind of double filter because in order for me to actually enjoy one it has to a)be a decent movie and b)be about somebody I give a shit about. Maybe it's a filmmaker's job to make me care about somebody by making a decent movie, but some famous people are just too boring for a proper story. Getting me to care about the life of any post-Civil War (theirs, obviously, not ours) British Monarch is definitely an uphill battle. My mom wouldn't leave me alone about "The Queen" but it just looked super dull.

428656, ^^^Walleye sighting
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-22-09 01:14 AM

And I personally LOVED American Splendor. One of my
favorite movies of the last 6-7 years, easily.


More later


>My dad met Charlie Wilson a few times and was able to augment
>the film "Charlie Wilson's War" with a hilarious Crocodile
>Dundee-esque story of him trying to explain the difference
>between an actual weapon and a WWI replica gun by bringing
>some absurdly dangerous machine gun into a bureaucrat's
>office. So that was pretty cool.
>
>I liked "The Libertine" and "Shadow of the Vampire". And
>that's it.
>
>The category "biopic" works as a kind of double filter because
>in order for me to actually enjoy one it has to a)be a decent
>movie and b)be about somebody I give a shit about. Maybe it's
>a filmmaker's job to make me care about somebody by making a
>decent movie, but some famous people are just too boring for a
>proper story. Getting me to care about the life of any
>post-Civil War (theirs, obviously, not ours) British Monarch
>is definitely an uphill battle. My mom wouldn't leave me
>alone about "The Queen" but it just looked super dull.



428685, Boogie Nights is a biopic now?
Posted by Orfeo_Negro, Thu Jan-22-09 08:37 AM
*smh*
428815, so was Forrest Gump
Posted by B9, Thu Jan-22-09 01:19 PM
428878, I can write a biopic on you being mad.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-22-09 03:42 PM

Starring John MADden.

Or Mark MADsen.



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