http://www.supremerobot.com/kings/media.htm

Has this been mentioned around here yet?

wonderful

all i expect from ANY comedian is the ability to make me laugh. they failed. all of them.

None of that shit they said was funny.

I'm interested. I'll check it our or rent it, at least.

Excited to see this.

and will be a star imo.

who else is in it? Jordan Carlos maybe? He's really funny. I watched it a few days ago. There were are at least two comics who I know are hilarious in it.

I mean, goddamn.

What the fuck is going on here.

Give me those ignorant def jam niggas any day

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that shit just screams "look at us as people! we just happen to be black. we're into dry subtle humor like y'all...we watch the office!!! we think martin is lame!!!"

fuck outta here. all of them will fail. ALL of them.

and it ain't about puttin' people in a box. it's about being REAL and not selling yourself as DIFFERENT THAN. if you really are funny, people will recognize that shit. craig robinson and patrice o'neal ain't have yack about how different they were from other black comics. let's say they succeed in their quest to not be viewed as "black"...then, they're just another bland ass comedian.

that shitty trailer made me sick. desperate ass niggas.

Its a classic: "They're stupid niggers. We're
smart black people."

I seriously do not dislike a single type of nigga worse
than niggas like this. Seriously. They'll out they're
entire race to look special for white people. Disgusting.

And serious - they wanna talk about eclectic?

Richard Pryor was eclectic. Murphy was eclectic.
Foxx was eclectic.

Not a one of those FUNNY black comedians made attempts
to distance themselves from their people.

Hell, look at Dave Chapelle - it don't get no more
naturally quirky than him. AND he got an Asian wife.

You don't see Chapelle making open attempts at
distancing himself from his people.

Chapelle was in his block party visiting Biggie's
school, talking to black kids from Bed Stuy and
CLOWNING on wannabe eclectic niggas on
STAGE(that one nigga with the Free Tibet T shirt on...LOL)

Hahahahahaa

why not sell yourself as different than?

everybody has their something.

>why not sell yourself as different than?

Like I said, these comics are *less* awkward
than the TWO of the MOST POPULAR comics, white or
black, in the WORLD(Rock and Chapelle).

"Weirdness" is a *relative* term

You can't be calling attention to
yourself under false pretenses.

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Whether or not you like anything in the trailer is up to you of course, and some of you have made your own decision, but p;ease dont interpret anything in the trailer as a slam against any other black comedian or "distancing" from other comics.

The movie is just for fum. If it's not your thing, cool, but please don't think that we were taking a swing at any other comic. In fact don't think that I was. It's my idea, all the other comics are just my fiend who I asked to be part of the movie.

If you are mad as hell and can't be consoled, please feel free to write me at victor@bestalbino.com and I will be happy to talk with you at length about anything you want to ask about.

Eh.. that's it I guess. everyone else, enjoy the movie!

Hi.

bestalbino.com

to be fair, i will check it out. i got no prob with supporting folks tryna do something.

I don't doubt you're a good dude. I don't doubt the
people in the film are good people. The same can be said
for a lot of films and projects that I think have
bad pretenses.

I don't think the people who made or funded
'Soulplane' had any idea what they were doing.
Some just thought they were making a funny movie.

Same with the writers and producers of 'Homeboys in
Outer Space'.

That goes for a lot of things I have a problem
with, whether my complaints are based in race
discourse, or not.

I'm just saying this:

You knew what you were doing. The title of
the movie is a play off of an existing movie
featuring black comedians.

The way you've set this up:

Bernie Mac, DL Hughley, Cedric the Entertainer,
Steve Harvey are *NOT* awkward.

Your comics *are*, hence the "awkward" modifier
to the original title.

Hell, if you remember, there was also a
"Queens of Comedy."

That was perfectly appropriate, because it
was a play on the indisputable fact that the
comics in "Kings of Comedy" were all men.

You could have just called it the "underground
Kings of Comedy." That would been more innocent,
because you'd be playing off the idea that your
comics are simply younger and less popular.

But you didn't.

You decided to make the film about how different
your comics are from other black people, and in
that process you have absolutely done something
that I find unnecessary and lamentable:

Played off the assumption(that much of
white america still believes) that black america
is one way, and you and your comics, are another
way.

I find it both irresponsible and even more
important, INACCURATE.

The truth is, every inner city in the America
is filled with black and latino "quirky" people.

There are quirky kids in the black church.

Quirky kids rap:

Ludacris is quirky.

Nas? Definitely quirky.

So is Jay-Z, actually.

Quirky kids are actually pretty popular.

Like I said - Chapelle is quirky. Murphy was
quirky. So was Pryor. So was Fox. So is Cosby.

So please - playing off the stereotype that
black people are one way, and you are another
is irresponsible, especially NOW when white
america is *just* starting to recognize part
of the actual diversity of the black experience.

In the end, you're not guilty of anything but a
gimmicky marketing scheme in order to sell some
movie tickets.

I'll more than likely support it, because as
friends have told me, its hard for black comics
out here and in the end I'm only writing this
much because I love my people and care about
their well-being.

But I'm gonna talk about it, my man.

That's just how I do.

>
>I don't doubt you're a good dude. I don't doubt the
>people in the film are good people. The same can be said
>for a lot of films and projects that I think have
>bad pretenses.
>

Thanks.

>I don't think the people who made or funded
>'Soulplane' had any idea what they were doing.
>Some just thought they were making a funny movie.
>
>Same with the writers and producers of 'Homeboys in
>Outer Space'.
>

Don't forget the secret life of Desmond Pfoefer.


>That goes for a lot of things I have a problem
>with, whether my complaints are based in race
>discourse, or not.
>
>I'm just saying this:
>
>You knew what you were doing. The title of
>the movie is a play off of an existing movie
>featuring black comedians.
>
>The way you've set this up:
>
>Bernie Mac, DL Hughley, Cedric the Entertainer,
>Steve Harvey are *NOT* awkward.
>
>Your comics *are*, hence the "awkward" modifier
>to the original title.
>

I think that we have a general disagreement on this point. I agree that DL Hughley, Bernie Mac, Cedric the Entertainer and Steve Harvey are awesome. I chose the word awkward specifically because it is not generally viewed as a good thing. I was trying to poke fun at our style. I never thought anyone would be insulted that I was saying that they are NOT awkward.

And tto be even more to the point, the idea came from the fact that I am a black albino. Everyone else on the show was cast. In now way am I trying to exasperate myself from other black people, I 'm just saying, "look at this flavor."

Yes, it is a gimmick, a hook, but not one that is meant to be hurtful in any way.

The homeboys in outer space and soul plane reference confuses me because those productions seemed to reinforce stereotypes and the one thing we're not doing with this movie is trying to reinforce ANY negative stereotype.

>Hell, if you remember, there was also a
>"Queens of Comedy."
>
>That was perfectly appropriate, because it
>was a play on the indisputable fact that the
>comics in "Kings of Comedy" were all men.
>
>You could have just called it the "underground
>Kings of Comedy." That would been more innocent,
>because you'd be playing off the idea that your
>comics are simply younger and less popular.
>
>But you didn't.

Correct, I didn't.
>
>You decided to make the film about how different
>your comics are from other black people, and in
>that process you have absolutely done something
>that I find unnecessary and lamentable:
>
>Played off the assumption(that much of
>white america still believes) that black america
>is one way, and you and your comics, are another
>way.
>
>I find it both irresponsible and even more
>important, INACCURATE.
>
>The truth is, every inner city in the America
>is filled with black and latino "quirky" people.
>
>There are quirky kids in the black church.
>
>Quirky kids rap:
>
>Ludacris is quirky.
>
>Nas? Definitely quirky.
>
>So is Jay-Z, actually.
>
>Quirky kids are actually pretty popular.
>
>Like I said - Chapelle is quirky. Murphy was
>quirky. So was Pryor. So was Fox. So is Cosby.
>
>So please - playing off the stereotype that
>black people are one way, and you are another
>is irresponsible, especially NOW when white
>america is *just* starting to recognize part
>of the actual diversity of the black experience.
>
>In the end, you're not guilty of anything but a
>gimmicky marketing scheme in order to sell some
>movie tickets.
>
>I'll more than likely support it, because as
>friends have told me, its hard for black comics
>out here and in the end I'm only writing this
>much because I love my people and care about
>their well-being.
>
>But I'm gonna talk about it, my man.
>
>That's just how I do.
>
>
Talking about it is cool.

The last thing I want to say is that yes, there are quirky people all over so why not make a movie that showcases that. You have a good grasp on what people are like all over but I disagree with you on the point that the entire united states does.

I actually think that people who live in cites wouldn't be taken off guard by any of the performers in the movie. In most cities that I have performed in people may be seeing a black albino for the first time but then everybody's cool right after that.

But there are some places in the YS where things are a lot different. Did you know that the Blue Collar Comedy tour DVD was the highest selling comedy DVD of all time? It sold more than the Chappelle show and the chappelle show sold a LOT. A good portion of america just does not have a broad view of African Americans as a people.

I'm not saying my film is going to change the world or anything, but I had only positive intentions at its conception.

My goal was to make a funny movie with a hook that will get it noticed. You'll have to see the movie to make your own call about funny, but definitely the hook seems to be doing it's job.

thanks for your comments. I know we disagreed on some thigs, but I will always talk to anyone who comes out and states their opinon in an intelligent manner.

Victor

Hi.

bestalbino.com

>I think that we have a general disagreement on this point. I
>agree that DL Hughley, Bernie Mac, Cedric the Entertainer and
>Steve Harvey are awesome. I chose the word awkward
>specifically because it is not generally viewed as a good
>thing. I was trying to poke fun at our style. I never
>thought anyone would be insulted that I was saying that they
>are NOT awkward.


You did set up a direct contrast between your brand
of comedy and theirs. Just because you didn't do
it intentionally doesn't mean you didn't do it. You
did do it.

>And tto be even more to the point, the idea came from the fact
>that I am a black albino. Everyone else on the show was
>cast. In now way am I trying to exasperate myself from other
>black people, I 'm just saying, "look at this flavor."

And here's what's funny:

Black Albinos are actually rare.

Black awkward people are not rare.

Not to mention you're mixing physical rarities with
personality rarities.

Hell, I don't know you, but you seem like a straight
up, intelligent, ambitious black man. .

None of^^^^ is "awkward" at all.

In fact, I expect that of black men.


>Yes, it is a gimmick, a hook, but not one that is meant to be
>hurtful in any way.

Okay, but to hell with good intentions.

>The homeboys in outer space and soul plane reference confuses
>me because those productions seemed to reinforce stereotypes
>and the one thing we're not doing with this movie is trying to
>reinforce ANY negative stereotype.

You don't actually break down any barriers when you
tell white people that black people are this way,
but "look at us! We're not like that. We're this
other way."

Breaking down barriers is to show white people that
the stereotypical monolith is not so -- that quirkiness
is not confined to a group of comics, but is in fact a
general part of our culture.

It most certainly is.


>The last thing I want to say is that yes, there are quirky
>people all over so why not make a movie that showcases that.
>You have a good grasp on what people are like all over but I
>disagree with you on the point that the entire united states
>does.

Right, and again:

White people think black people are all like X.

You are saying: "White people, look at us, we're
like Y."

That doesn't change anything about how white people
view X.

What it does is make you, the Y, feel special and
gets you attention.

That's why I appreciate Dave Chapelle's approach:

No black comic has more white fans than Chapelle.
They've literally built his career.

But when it came time for his block party, he
HUMANIZED average black people. He had REGULAR
rappers and singers. He went to REGULAR schools
in Bedfrod Stuyvesant. Went to PUBLIC schools
hanging out with kids. Even better, he related to
them, and showed, on camera, that they're just kids.
He even had a black college band in the film.

he didn't focus on how he is quirky relative
to the schoolchildren in Bedstuy.

He showed that he has similar taste and
habits.

That is how you change perspectives. By showing
continuity and forcing white america to see
inside our world, the one that they often
vilify(there was lots of focus on Biggie's
upbringing and surroundings...and the people,
surprisingly were loving, regular people. That's
not a shock to ME but it is meant to rattle
a lot of Chapelle's fanbase..

>I actually think that people who live in cites wouldn't be
>taken off guard by any of the performers in the movie. In
>most cities that I have performed in people may be seeing a
>black albino for the first time but then everybody's cool
>right after that.

Cool and respect


>But there are some places in the YS where things are a lot
>different. Did you know that the Blue Collar Comedy tour DVD
>was the highest selling comedy DVD of all time? It sold more
>than the Chappelle show and the chappelle show sold a LOT. A
>good portion of america just does not have a broad view of
>African Americans as a people.

Exactly!

Notice how it was called the "Blue Collar Comedy Tour"
and NOT the "White and Different" Comedy tour. They
didn't have to out their RACE in order to sell
difference. Of course, its not the same for whites as it
is for us, but you're example proves my point. Race doesn't
come up at all, because they're uniqueness is not relative
to WHITE PEOPLE but relative to EVERYONE.

Hell, I might have approved of the "awkward Kings of
Comedy" title...that was okay... I think the problem
that me and Basaglia had is the use of the "Black and
Weird" selling point. You could have just ended with
"Awkward Kings of Comedy." I think by pushing the
black and weird thing, you went a bit too far.


>I'm not saying my film is going to change the world or
>anything, but I had only positive intentions at its
>conception.

I have no doubts you'll be very successful.

But I do warn you: You are going to attract a
white audience who looks at you guys and says
to each other:

"Look at these weird niggers, Jonny. They are
not like the ones we hate. I like them better."

White America engages in this type of tokenism
all the time. Happens to me daily.

I'd recommend this: When you're at press conferences,
or in press releases, and in interviews make it VERY CLEAR
what your goal is. VERY clear.


>My goal was to make a funny movie with a hook that will get it
>noticed.

That's called a "gimmick" my friend. You have a career
to build. I understand.

And maybe you don't think you have a responsibility.

But WOW....a lot of hurtful stuff has gone on because
of gimmicks that weren't well-thought out.

That's where the 'Homeboys in Outer Space' comparison
came from.

The people who wrote it didn't know they were being
hurtful.

They just needed a gimmick.


>You'll have to see the movie to make your own call
>about funny, but definitely the hook seems to be doing it's
>job.

Well, yeah. You're getting press. Good for you.

>thanks for your comments. I know we disagreed on some thigs,
>but I will always talk to anyone who comes out and states
>their opinon in an intelligent manner.

Best of luck to you. I wish you success.

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I mean, no pun and shit...but he does.

Me and Basaglia's point stands,
especially after he was able to respond.

He's a thoughtful, good dude, but he
basically admitted the whole thing is
just a gimmick.

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that was kinda it tho...

black comics that tell corny jokes like corny white comics. Whoopee....



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There are lots of packaged tours and nights in comedy, that often have a much more unpleasant gimmick than this one. There's a lot of pressure to conform to people's expectations of black comedy if you're a black comic, especially if you're performing at "Chocolate Sunday" or some other ethnically-themed event. Marketing some funny comics as an alternative to that is perfectly reasonable in my book.

Marketing comedy is *hard*. Support some shit that's trying to do something good.

>There are lots of packaged tours and nights in comedy, that
>often have a much more unpleasant gimmick than this one.

Irrelevant, but thanks.

I could make a comedy show called "Intelligent Kings of
Comedy." That'd be outright offensive, of course, because
it would be suggesting that the other kings of comedy weren't
intelligent. If the subtitle said: "Black. Funny, Weird"
than we'd be particularly up in arms, rightfully so.

I wouldn't, in a million years, accuse the authors of this
film of something nearly as horrid, but the reason why an
"intelligent kings of comedy" is offensive is not because
its saying that the comics in it are smart, but in the
separation of "intelligent" or "smart" from "black."

The "awkward kings of comedy" falls victim to the same logical
obstacles: There's nothing unique about a single one of the
comedians in the trailer, save the fact that one is an albino.

And the Albinism is a genetic rarity, not a cognitive or
comedic rarity.

In the process, the marketing scheme incorrectly
separates "awkwardness" and "weirdness" and quirkiness
form blackness, an action that doesn't stand up to any
scrutiny, at all.

Like I said -- In reading his post above Varnardo sounds like
most black males I know do, and should, sound: intelligent,
focused, determined. There isn't a single awkward thing about it.
If I knew him, I probably wouldn't describe him as awkward
at all, because he's not.


>There's a lot of pressure to conform to people's expectations
>of black comedy if you're a black comic, especially if you're
>performing at "Chocolate Sunday" or some other
>ethnically-themed event.

Interesting how Dave Chapelle built a comedic empire
bigger than anything any black comic had seen in recent
memory.

Hell, so did Chris Rock.

Both were hugely popular. Both "quirky."

Both Chris Rock and Dave Chapelle are infinitely
more popular than any stereotypical black comic from Def
Comedy Jam.

That being the case, the "awkward kings of comedy"
title is sort of misplaced, because arguably the two most
popular black comics of our time, in the world, are skinny,
goofy kids who grew up reading comics and watching sci fi
(both Chapelle and Rock). Both of these same comics have
huge white fan bases.

I'd venture to say that comedy is probably the paradigm
where blacks have had the *easiest* time breaking the mold.
And not to say it still isn't relatively hard, because
it is.

Hell, Bignick has an forthcoming NBC show based on his book.
Nick would almost surely characterize himself as "quirky."
He seems to be doing just fine.

Hell, Wayne Brady is about as non-stereotypical as you
can get. He's also doing just fine.

That's why its a stupid gimmick, because "awkward"
or "weird" comedians are about as unheard of as
light skinned black mayors of mid-major cities.

There are plenty of them.

>Marketing comedy is *hard*. Support some shit that's trying
>to do something good.


I will.

And I'll call it like I see it too.

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so I'll prolly see this at some point

awkward formatting as an attempt to make his short bullshit posts look like long, drawn out thoughtful posts that no one can possibly reply to in detail because seriously who the fuck can read more than four lines broken up like that?

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>awkward formatting as an attempt to make his short bullshit
>posts look like long, drawn out thoughtful posts that no one
>can possibly reply to in detail because seriously who the fuck
>can read more than four lines broken up like that?

People actually do respond, but often don't
know what to say.

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why would you possibly respond to this like he did?

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You

postin

hard.

Why

you

mad

for?

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Seriously.

You getting all furious about how I format my
posts. Its actually easier for me at least to
read posts that way because you can pick up all
the words with your eyes locked in one position,
and can just scroll down, picking up everything.

But you are mad, my man. You been weird and
black, but the anger is sorta outta left
field.


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nigga, haiku formatting doesn't make your posts deep.


nigga, haiku formating
doesn't make
your posts deep.


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I can't speak on the others because I haven't seen their act. But any praise you hear on Hannibal is justly earned.

2. There's way too much hate on here from certain people over a 1:45 trailer. It's reactionary out of context like Bill O'Reilly fuming over Nas lyrics.

>I can't speak on the others because I haven't seen their act.
>But any praise you hear on Hannibal is justly earned.
>
>2. There's way too much hate on here from certain people over
>a 1:45 trailer. It's reactionary out of context like Bill
>O'Reilly fuming over Nas lyrics.

Uh. That's a great comparison. Thanks, Einstein.

And everything that you don't like ain't "hate," my
dude. I just come with that all seeing eye. No reason
for you to be upset. I just call it like I see it.

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I didn't even name names. You must have seen something of yourself in what I posted. That's the mark of a straight-up reactionary.

>I didn't even name names. You must have seen something of
>yourself in what I posted. That's the mark of a straight-up
>reactionary.

Stop with the passive-aggressiveness, dunny

Please. Man up

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