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Topic subjectIf Ledger's Joker deserves an Oscar, so did Tony Todd's Candyman
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391231, If Ledger's Joker deserves an Oscar, so did Tony Todd's Candyman
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-31-08 02:22 PM

i mean, since the whole fuckin world has gone mad and we wanna start giving out the highest honor for fuckin comic book villains. and don't gimme no shit about how he transcended the comic world, because that's that bullshit. it was a fuckin comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that makes him look like a bat in it.

tony todd's performance as candyman was just as good, if not better, if we're gonna judge on transcending the material. he took that lame ass b-movie character and made him a complicated, charismatic, empathetic and unmerciful supernatural nigga.

if dude wins the oscar for this shit, they need to give james earl jones a lifetime achievement joint for voicing darth vader alone.
391232, http://www.tutorialjungle.com/tutorials/images/red_shock_text_8.jpg
Posted by bignick, Thu Jul-31-08 02:23 PM
391263, plus uno
Posted by Ceej, Thu Jul-31-08 03:55 PM
391234, you're absolutely right
Posted by Jayson Willyams, Thu Jul-31-08 02:31 PM
Give this man an Oscar:

http://ckf.kag.org/Pictures/2005%20pictures/Tony%20Todd%20and%20friends.jpg

391245, your post made me very mad
Posted by soundsop, Thu Jul-31-08 03:14 PM
.
391246, You know how many times I've had to tell people this:
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-31-08 03:19 PM
it was a fuckin
>comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i
>know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that
>makes him look like a bat in it.

People talkin about how this is the new Heat drive me bonkers. Last I checked, Heat didn't have a dude with no jaw tendons and his eyeball bulging from its uncovered socket.
391250, this is in utero all over again, swear ta GOD! he died, people lost it
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-31-08 03:33 PM
if he were alive, people would just be talkin about his next role and how this joint made him a legit box office superstar...he's be set to play a cop in grittay crime drama...we would not be talkin oscar and it would not be a top 100 film all-time.

it's bullshit...people are CRAZY!!!!
391253, RE: this is in utero all over again, swear ta GOD! he died, people lost it
Posted by josephmurf2384, Thu Jul-31-08 03:39 PM
Co-sign, but does he get mad points here to????
391257, Nah, folks would still be jizzing all over it. They creamed over the 1st one.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-31-08 03:50 PM
And that one had inferior villains and Katie Holmes, for fuck's sake. There's just something about Chris Nolan's Batman that makes people go nuts.

I love Ledger's performance too. And I'd even go so far as to say he should get an Oscar nod, since if Depp can get a nod for Captain Jack, Ledger can get a nod for Joker.

But him being named the best villain ever in polls? Him being called better than Chigurh in No Country? Shit is ridiculous.
391325, RE: Nah, folks would still be jizzing all over it. They creamed over the 1st one.
Posted by rorschach, Thu Jul-31-08 08:25 PM
>I love Ledger's performance too. And I'd even go so far as to
>say he should get an Oscar nod, since if Depp can get a nod
>for Captain Jack, Ledger can get a nod for Joker.
>
>But him being named the best villain ever in polls? Him being
>called better than Chigurh in No Country? Shit is ridiculous.

This is why the Supporting Actor nod seems so possible IMO. Ledger played his part just as well as Depp played Capt. Jack in PotC. But saying he was colder Chigurh is uncouth. Chigurh was on a whole other level.
391674, in utero came out well before cobain died
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sat Aug-02-08 01:37 PM
>if he were alive, people would just be talkin about his next
>role and how this joint made him a legit box office
>superstar...he's be set to play a cop in grittay crime
>drama...we would not be talkin oscar and it would not be a top
>100 film all-time.

there was serious buzz about Ledger's performance before he died. and the movie & his performance would still be getting hyped, maybe not quite so excessively though.


391692, And no one gave a shit about it until after he died....
Posted by CaptNish, Sat Aug-02-08 02:23 PM
That shit was a dud when it came out and people hated it. Kurt dies, and that shit is "one of the best albums ever."

I fucking hate the revisionist history behind In Utero.
391732, ok
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sat Aug-02-08 06:21 PM
as for Ledger, people were getting hyped about his performance before he died. so the analogy still doesn't really work.
391702, and it got way more hype after he died. it was a B that became an A
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Aug-02-08 02:59 PM
>>if he were alive, people would just be talkin about his
>next
>>role and how this joint made him a legit box office
>>superstar...he's be set to play a cop in grittay crime
>>drama...we would not be talkin oscar and it would not be a
>top
>>100 film all-time.
>
>there was serious buzz about Ledger's performance before he
>died. and the movie & his performance would still be getting
>hyped, maybe not quite so excessively though.

there was buzz around downney's performance, too. so fuckin what?
391729, so ledger's performance was a B?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sat Aug-02-08 06:14 PM
yes people saying it's an all-time legendary performance are getting ahead of themselves, but it was getting buzz as a terrific performance before he died & it's still a terrific performance any way you cut it.


>there was buzz around downney's performance, too. so fuckin
>what?

you think there was buzz around the happening.


391748, whatever it was, it was no better than tony todd's candyman
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Aug-02-08 08:21 PM
391256, Yo, how half his mouf gone, but his voice and speaking ain't change?
Posted by WarriorPoet415, Thu Jul-31-08 03:48 PM
Dude had half-lips, but just spoke normally.

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391274, because in order for his voice to change half his tongue should be gone
Posted by Luge Skywalker, Thu Jul-31-08 04:12 PM
why would his voice be different because of his scarred lips?

and in case you didnt notice he did make a special movement with his mouth after/before speaking
391276, the sad part is you're serious
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-31-08 04:15 PM
391371, LOL! LOL!
Posted by Mgmt, Fri Aug-01-08 12:14 AM
391680, HA!
Posted by calminvasion, Sat Aug-02-08 01:49 PM
391299, try to say "Batman" or "Bruce Wayne" with half your mouth...
Posted by disco dj, Thu Jul-31-08 05:52 PM
and after you get done saying "......aaaatman" about 15 times. then ask yourself that question again.
391633, he didnt have half a mouth tho
Posted by Luge Skywalker, Sat Aug-02-08 08:59 AM
he had scarred cheeks
391634, scarred cheeks, huh?
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Aug-02-08 09:12 AM
391640, http://blogs.amctv.com/scifi-scanner/DentBurn.jpg
Posted by SoulHonky, Sat Aug-02-08 09:23 AM
http://blogs.amctv.com/scifi-scanner/DentBurn.jpg

The eye really was too much for me. I actually like this fan photoshop Two-Face better

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/bgates87/large_two_face_web.jpg
391731, 'Tis but a scratch! © The Black Knight
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sat Aug-02-08 06:18 PM

391738, i thought this was about the joker
Posted by Luge Skywalker, Sat Aug-02-08 07:01 PM
im slow
391302, ^^^ pleas in a pod
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-31-08 06:12 PM
391279, I don't see why "comic book movie" is a bad thing
Posted by SoulHonky, Thu Jul-31-08 04:23 PM
The best action movies this year and arguably two of the best films so far have been comic book movies.

As for the Heat comparison, I agree because like The Dark Knight, Heat was good not great.
391301, I think both crime and comic book movies tend to engage...
Posted by stylez dainty, Thu Jul-31-08 06:10 PM
...the human condition on a pretty shallow, meaningless level, yet, especially with crime flicks, people treat them like they make some grand statement on life that's worth internalizing. Not saying they can't be classic movies deserving of love, but some folks take them a little too seriously, when they're usually the exact opposite of "some real shit."
391312, Agreed. If Departed can get noms, so can Dark Knight
Posted by SoulHonky, Thu Jul-31-08 06:52 PM
Although I really hope that, at the end of the year, it doesn't deserve any because if it does it will be a lousy year for movies.
391559, People like staged violence, always have, always will.
Posted by Mr Mech, Fri Aug-01-08 05:55 PM
Mech
391261, Eddie should kill Charlie right before his next opening
Posted by Ceej, Thu Jul-31-08 03:52 PM
391266, yup
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-31-08 03:58 PM
391262, You say this like it's a bad thing:
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Jul-31-08 03:54 PM
>
>it was a fuckin comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be.

The "comic book movie" genre isn't inhernetly better or worse than any other genre of film. It's all how the studio/director/actors/marketting department treats any film.
391311, I love comics and all, but let's be honest with ourselves...
Posted by celery77, Thu Jul-31-08 06:49 PM
>The "comic book movie" genre isn't inhernetly better or worse
>than any other genre of film. It's all how the
>studio/director/actors/marketting department treats any film.

Men-in-tights stories are nowhere near the level of documentaries or serious fiction about exploring social phenomenon and personal experience.

Now, I realize one can go see a film for reasons besides those, but generally when looking at the accepted "canon" of film and judging what people, throughout history, hold up as the best "art" available, meaningfully exploring society and personal experience are generally a central component of all these things.

So, I mean ... I like comics and all, but yeah, I feel they're often held to a lower standard by their adherents.
391355, It's not what a movie is about, but how it's about it
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Jul-31-08 10:43 PM
Plenty of shitty documentaries and serious fiction movies have been made, just as there have been plenty of shitty superhero films. There have been lots of shitty films that examine society and personal experience. And there have been some that are just fine, but still aren't as good as The Dark Knight. A film like "Terms of Endearment," which won the Best Picture Oscar, isn't better than Dark Knight just because it explores the deeply personal experience and ramification of death and growing old.

>So, I mean ... I like comics and all, but yeah, I feel they're
>often held to a lower standard by their adherents.

Just because other people hold them to lower standards doesn't mean they can't be just as good another medium at exploring the human condition. Are most of them Faulkner? No, but neither are 99.9999% of other works of fiction.
391473, please, superhero stories make great art
Posted by mc_delta_t, Fri Aug-01-08 12:41 PM
There's all kinds of ways you can explore "social phenomenon and personal experience", and plenty of other themes through comics. Humans have been telling superhero (then called "gods") stories since the beginning of recorded history.

Read some Alan Moore

Just cause Hollywood fucks up comics movies doesn't mean it's not as "deep" an art form as documentaries and "serious fiction".
391467, RE: You say this like it's a bad thing:
Posted by Brother_Afron, Fri Aug-01-08 12:16 PM
>>
>>it was a fuckin comic book movie and that's all it'll ever
>be.
>
>The "comic book movie" genre isn't inhernetly better or worse
>than any other genre of film. It's all how the
>studio/director/actors/marketting department treats any film.
>

I stopped arguing that point years ago. They'll never get it.
391264, +1
Posted by jigga, Thu Jul-31-08 03:55 PM
391291, Season hasn't started yet, be cool.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-31-08 05:30 PM
391268, vader? Don't forget thulsa doom
Posted by kayru99, Thu Jul-31-08 04:03 PM
Dude turned into a snake right quick
391300, Thulsa Doom? What about King Joffrey Joffer?
Posted by disco dj, Thu Jul-31-08 05:53 PM
he gets the statue for the "do you have sex with your bathers? I know *I* do!!!" line, if nothing else.




391278, lol
Posted by GumDrops, Thu Jul-31-08 04:21 PM
> don't gimme no shit about how he transcended the
>comic world, because that's that bullshit. it was a fuckin
>comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i
>know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that
>makes him look like a bat in it.
>

391306, okay...check THIS shit out...
Posted by disco dj, Thu Jul-31-08 06:39 PM
here's the winner and the Nominees for that year, Not only did Tony Todd get robbed, but Denzel got robbed for "Malcolm X", lol





* 1992 Al Pacino - Scent of a Woman as Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade (winner)

other nominees:


o Robert Downey Jr. - Chaplin as Charles Spencer Chaplin
o Clint Eastwood - Unforgiven as William 'Bill' Munny
o Stephen Rea - The Crying Game as Fergus
o Denzel Washington - Malcolm X as Malcolm X
391350, Cole...
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jul-31-08 10:09 PM
391373, u stupid
Posted by Mgmt, Fri Aug-01-08 12:18 AM
391351, In Utero - Kurt Kobain's suicide = C+ album
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jul-31-08 10:09 PM

Good In Utero analogy, nigga

Niggas flashing them white boy 'dentials

I mean, dead people get more props, dude

I do honestly think Makaveli was a great
Tupac album, though. Banger after
banger on there.

But yeah.

Death is strategic. More in hollywood
will likely catch on and do the same



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391677, FOH - in utero is a good-ass album
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sat Aug-02-08 01:39 PM

391357, RE: If Ledger's Joker deserves an Oscar, so did Tony Todd's Candyman
Posted by jimmi.stone., Thu Jul-31-08 10:48 PM
>
>i mean, since the whole fuckin world has gone mad and we wanna
>start giving out the highest honor for fuckin comic book
>villains. and don't gimme no shit about how he transcended the
>comic world, because that's that bullshit. it was a fuckin
>comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i
>know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that
>makes him look like a bat in it.
>
>tony todd's performance as candyman was just as good, if not
>better, if we're gonna judge on transcending the material. he
>took that lame ass b-movie character and made him a
>complicated, charismatic, empathetic and unmerciful
>supernatural nigga.
>
>if dude wins the oscar for this shit, they need to give james
>earl jones a lifetime achievement joint for voicing darth
>vader alone.
>
truthy
391573, HAH!!!
Posted by Chris Matthews, Fri Aug-01-08 08:03 PM

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391726, He would if he knew how to act
Posted by Wrongthink, Sat Aug-02-08 05:43 PM
tony todd's performance as candyman was just as good, if not
>better, if we're gonna judge on transcending the material. he
>took that lame ass b-movie character and made him a
>complicated, charismatic, empathetic and unmerciful
>supernatural nigga.

Too bad he didn't.
391754, Candyman was a dope movie
Posted by crow, Sat Aug-02-08 09:22 PM