Given how great Robert Downey play Stark, its seemed like perfect casting.


but lets not forget Patrick Stewart, i think he was a great cast for Prof X.

What about Hugh Jackman?

who do you think was the best casting for a role in a superhero movie?

But RDJ is the best one since.

yeah, but i think he made his own superman, not exactly like the comics

i think rdj, fit into tony stark.

Wolvie is short, hairy and calls people "Bub."
I would've tried to find someone a little more "rough around the edges."




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This is truth.

>Wolvie is short, hairy and calls people "Bub."
>I would've tried to find someone a little more "rough around
>the edges."

>Wolvie is short, hairy and calls people "Bub."
>I would've tried to find someone a little more "rough around
>the edges."

I always thought Jackman was too tall to play Wolverine. That was a major part of the character in the comic books. This short, relentless, crazy mf'er.

Jackman was able to pull off the hair aspect but that was about it...

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>Jackman was able to pull off the hair aspect but that was about it...

probably robert downey jr. as the best-cast so far.

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the Magneto in the comic book. No way would he ever watch Xavier die without trying to save him and then at like he don't give a fuck afterwards. He never used the full extent of his powers and, although he did have an elitist type of attitude in the comics, he was way too bourgeois in the movies. He looked like a bitch when he was flying around the Statue of Liberty. He didn't portray Magneto's anger well at all and looked like he needed a cane or wheelchair to get around. Magneto is powerful and is not afraid to get down and dirty. Ian sucked as Magneto.

they down played the anger.

i mean in x3 about the tattoos is the closest they got to expressing why he felt like he needed to equal the playing field

He had to be at BARE MINIMUM 65 in accordance with him being that age during the Holocaust, and he had to be evenly aged (and matched, for that matter) with Professor X. So your argument about his age is dumber than dumb.

Your argument about the comic books is also dumb. First of all, he was never happy about Charles having to die in the movies. He felt Charles was dying for a nobler cause than the one Charles was fighting FOR. That was abundantly clear to me.

And as for him looking like a bitch flying? Well, I can't think of anything LESS bitch than him flying out of his cell in X2. That's one of the most badass flights ever in the history of comics.

And you said "he's not afraid to get down and dirty"... well, he did fuck up a ton of people, blow lots of shit up, unhinge an iconic bridge, and, oh yeah, try to sacrifice his best friend for his cause. But you took issue with that... so I'm not sure what you want.

So... yeah, you're very very wrong.

What I was saying was he was way too old looking. "old and weak looking", not "too old as well weak". Magneto would not sit by and watch Xavier die without at least trying to prevent it. Wolverine made an effort, Magneto should have as well. I never said he was cool with it, but he acted way too nonchalant when it happened. He was also too cold when Mystique lost her powers. I get the whole "she's not a mutant any more" thing, but I can't picture Magneto reacting like that. Magneto had a temper like a motherfucker. If someone is taking mutants' powers away, he is going to snap and there will be hell to pay. And Magneto's not shy about fighting either, because he will get in people's grills and does not always try to keep a distance between himself and his opponent. He will throw punches and get dirty and get fucked up as well. He is old, but dude moves with authority, not grace. I referenced the flying scene on the Statue of Liberty, noting his elegance and regal bullshit behavior, and you brought up a whole nother scene. I agree, though, that shit was hot, but that wasn't what I was talking about. In the movies he was always calm, cool, and cold, and that is not accurate of his demeanor. And you can't tell me he didn't look frail as hell.

I do agree that he wouldn't just shrug and say you're not one of us anymore to Mystique. He wouldn't just throw her away like that, dude is loyal afterall


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...you're gonna have a hell of a time trying to deal with every comic book movie ever made.

Second, Magneto is 70 years old, he's not gonna throw punches in the movies. Gimme a break. His punches will be throwing cars and shit. Which he did.

Third, Magneto is tunnel-visioned on his mission. How can Professor X help him? He respects his old friend, but if he gets in the way, he has to die. If Mystique can't help him anymore (which as a human, she really can't), then of course he's going to say goodbye. Magneto HAS to be coldblooded in the flicks. I don't get what's so hard to buy about Magneto ditching his friends if need be. Is Magneto really a nice guy? Is he so loyal that he'll compromise his mission for friends? That's not the Magneto I'm familiar with... if something is gonna hold him back or get in his way, that something is removed quickly.

And finally, for a 70 year old man, he didn't look weak. In X2, he's supposed to be weak for half the flick cuz he's getting his ass beaten, but he sure as shit didn't look weak in any of the other times. Not for a 70 year old. I think you're just picturing a comic book character on the page and trying to transport him to the screen, which doesn't work... maybe 70 year olds can take punches and do some real gutter streetfighting moves when animated, but in real life it woulda looked dumb as shit. It's way better to have him throwing cars at people and shooting people's bullets back at themselves.

>If Mystique can't help him
>anymore (which as a human, she really can't), then of course
>he's going to say goodbye.

I respecfully disagree. Sure she can't help him anymore. But she knows too much and for all the help she gave him in his mission, he would know she is still be loyal to him and the mission and he wouldn't neccesarily cast her away as he did in the movie.

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Now those movies weren't perfectly accurate, but they were pretty close. The problem I have with X-Men is that the characters were so off it was hard, as long-time fan of the X-Men, to really enjoy it. All the movies were entertaining and I own them all, but it was ridiculously inaccurate. It was equivalent to taking The Simpsons and changing all of their characters around, like if Lisa was older than Bart, Maggie could talk, Milhouse was black, Moe was popular, Dr. Hibbert and Dr. Nick switched personalities, Lou was Chief and Wiggum wasn't, Apu was Asian, and Nelson's a college student. That's basically what they did to the X-Men characters.

It's not that Ian's acting skills sucked, it's just that they could have found someone better. There was no reason to make as many changes as they did, it just wasn't necessary. I expect some things to be different, because you can't take a cartoon character that's been developed over a period of 40 years and just throw him into a two hour movie and expected it to be a seamless transition. But it also doesn't have to be that messed up, either. I don't have to have Magneto throwing punches to make me happy, just keep the character's personality and look intact. And, to dispute your point, Magneto's scrapped his plans numerous times to save Xavier, and that is something that is of major importance to his character. It's essentially blasphemous for him to respond like that.

>Now those movies weren't perfectly accurate, but they were
>pretty close.

There's a decent deal of information different in both. But I think you know this.

The problem I have with X-Men is that the
>characters were so off it was hard, as long-time fan of the
>X-Men, to really enjoy it. All the movies were entertaining
>and I own them all, but it was ridiculously inaccurate. It was
>equivalent to taking The Simpsons and changing all of their
>characters around, like if Lisa was older than Bart, Maggie
>could talk, Milhouse was black, Moe was popular, Dr. Hibbert
>and Dr. Nick switched personalities, Lou was Chief and Wiggum
>wasn't, Apu was Asian, and Nelson's a college student. That's
>basically what they did to the X-Men characters.

No it's not.

>It's not that Ian's acting skills sucked, it's just that they
>could have found someone better.

Who? Who that is 70 years old would've been a better Magneto?

There was no reason to make
>as many changes as they did, it just wasn't necessary. I
>expect some things to be different, because you can't take a
>cartoon character that's been developed over a period of 40
>years and just throw him into a two hour movie and expected it
>to be a seamless transition. But it also doesn't have to be
>that messed up, either.

In movies, they only owe loyalty to the essence of the characters. And Magneto's loyalty to Xavier isn't THAT essential, not as essential as them being friends, not as essential as his thirst for vengeance, not as essential as his mission. Ian played all of the essentials.

I don't have to have Magneto throwing
>punches to make me happy, just keep the character's
>personality and look intact.

They kept both of those things.

And, to dispute your point,
>Magneto's scrapped his plans numerous times to save Xavier,
>and that is something that is of major importance to his
>character. It's essentially blasphemous for him to respond
>like that.

Then your issue is with the writing, not the casting.

Storm was African-American instead of African. Colossus was American instead of Russian. Wolverine had never met Sabretooth. Wolverine was also a foot taller and did not use any Canadian slang (eh, o, bub). Cyclops, the unquestioned leader and one of the most central characters of the X-Men, was a side character and not very assertive as a leader. Iceman was never some young kid, he was an original X-Man, he was not so much younger than everyone else. Mystique could never fight like that and Wolverine would have kicked her ass with ease. Rogue was actually the character of Jubilee, they just called her Rogue. Pyro was not a kid. Sabretooth was not just some growling idiot. Lady Deathstrike was not "just like Wolverine", and did not have a healing factor. And the list goes on. I think this validates my Simpsons comparison.

So you can see how I would have a problem with the casting as well. And compared to Iron Man and Batman Begins, there were a hell of a lot more changes. Who could they have gotten to play Magneto better than Ian? I don't know, but Chuck Norris is 70 years old, not that I'm suggesting him, and he looks damn good, so they could have found somebody. Point is, it was way to loosely based, in light of other movies that have been more accurate. But, I guess we will have to just agree to disagree, because you don't seem likely to be convinced otherwise.

There's not another person on Earth who would've been a better Magneto. If you have issue with the writing, fine. But don't pass it off as a poor casting choice. The McKellen/Stewart face-offs are the core of the entire trilogy. Both are brilliant stage actors, both look the part, and both gave great complexity and gravitas to two of the most important roles in the comic book's history, probably THE two most important roles.

>There's not another person on Earth who would've been a
>better Magneto....

I have to agree with a lot of the casting decisions made in the X-Men movies. They were "off" and they took away a bit from the movies for me. But, me being a huge X-Men fan from back in the day I gave them a pass and enjoyed the movies.

As for your above statement as to who could play a better or equal performance of Magneto. I'm actually partial to Terence Stamp. This is the guy who played General Zod in Superman II. The only draw-back is the fact that he played another villain in a super-hero movie before, though he was much younger.

Take a look at some of his photos on IMDB...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000654/

He's got the look down, compared to the Magneto I remembered from the comics, plus he's not as old looking as Sir Ian...





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he would have actually been a perfect Magneto, look-wise of course. McKellan was fine but as far as the look goes, Stamp would have done it.

>Storm was African-American instead of African.

Angela Bassett would have been perfect for this role...

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she would have been a bit too old for what they were looking for imo. She would have been better than Berry for sure but I think they could have given someone like Nona Gaye a shot.

> I
>think they could have given someone like Nona Gaye a shot.

That would have been interesting.

Really you can chock all of that up to the shitty writers and shitty Brett Ratner. Ian McKellen did what he could, as well Patrick Stewart, with some shitty material. So if anything that makes his performance even more brilliant.

but i like prof x better.

before movies came out, i always pictured pat as xavier

They really outdid themselves there.

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2. Stewart
3. Snipes
4. Bale
5. Keaton (eff ya'll he was the prototype)
6. Kitt (She WAS Catwoman)

the third lets just forget about that one

>6. Kitt (She WAS Catwoman)

Kitt had the purrrrrrr down pat but Pfeiff dawg trumped her overall imo.

hah

I am cracking up here.

I'm stealing that.

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spider-man 3 wasn't his fault after all.

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I LOVE SUPERMAN.

i love reeves. his clark kent was endearing and quite memorable. his superman was iconic but a little boring. routh did a good job as well, and actually gave a comparable performance as much as purists wanna bitch or gasp at such a notion. reeves is not untouchable by any means. actually i am roundly underwhelmed by the superman portrayal on screen.

i wanna see a stronger, badass supes that wrecks shop on some villains and DOESN'T have to be near death every fucking time out while some human flys to HIS rescue. i dig that element but it's like every movie so far. or the little chambe that reenergized him... meh.... it was cool an shit but dammit can we just see him get pissed and beat the snot out of someone now?

but he ain't seeing RDJ. tobey was awesome until 3 cheesed it up in unforgivable ways. patrick stewart was flawless, even down to the look. bale is superior as well.... and heath ledger will likely, officially rule this landscape as of july 18th.

reeves is a great sentimental choice. he sort of set the bar high. the bar was eventually raised and cleared a few times over though.

>i wanna see a stronger, badass supes that wrecks shop on some
>villains and DOESN'T have to be near death every fucking time
>out while some human flys to HIS rescue. i dig that element
>but it's like every movie so far. or the little chambe that
>reenergized him... meh.... it was cool an shit but dammit can
>we just see him get pissed and beat the snot out of someone
>now?

You realize Reeves didn't write the script, right?

The character was truth, justice and the American way. Reeves just nailed it. Maybe some people like a darker character, but that wasn't really Superman, especially up to that point.

>>i wanna see a stronger, badass supes that wrecks shop on
>some
>>villains and DOESN'T have to be near death every fucking
>time
>>out while some human flys to HIS rescue. i dig that element
>>but it's like every movie so far. or the little chambe that
>>reenergized him... meh.... it was cool an shit but dammit
>can
>>we just see him get pissed and beat the snot out of someone
>>now?

>You realize Reeves didn't write the script, right?

yes, see, this was the paragraph AFTER talking about reeves. the previous paragraph, about reeves, ended with, "actually i am roundly underwhelmed by the superman portrayal on screen."

so that was a different subject all together. i spoke briefly about reeves, thought about superman on screen as a whole, and then i elaborated on my issues with superman on screen- not reeves. this part wasn't about reeves. and how many actors have there been on screen as superman? i count 6, if you add the superboy show from the 80's. thats a lot of actors. so my issue of superman on screen-if the issue of those portrayals with the actors-would have to be an issue with all of those actors, right?

of course, you needed that for your tired, unimaginative snark so it's all good. i'm not gonna hate on your hate game. i give it a 6- you made the effort to make a play on my name, but it's been done. and it's been done better. decent try though.

I didn't even think that was possible.

Anyway, no snark was intended. In fact, when it comes to grading the overall movies, I am of the opinion that the Chris Reeves Superman flicks benefit a LOT from the sentimental vote. Those first 2 movies, which a lot of people still hold as the gold standard for superhero flicks, are very much flawed.

But you did say "Reeves is nothing more then a sentimental choice," and you did describe his Portrayl as "a little boring." But I fail to see where you supported the argument.

Reeves took what is possibly the biggest character in modern fiction, and he OWNED that shit. He had the gee whiz grandma's apple pie side, the smooth somewhat mischevious 'I can see yo pannies Lois' swagger, and he just made you believe in Superman. He actually became it.

I mean, the latest portrayl of a superhero on screen, Tony Stark, was amazing. But think about it: Tony Stark is a billionaire drunken playboy. For what A to B list actor would that really be a stretch? RDJ completely killed it, don't get me wrong. But I don't *think* he had to push himself all that far to find himself living in the character.

1) Jack Nicholson

2) Robert Downey Jr

3) Christopher Reeves

but I gotta say everyone cast in X-Men was on point. that deusche nails Cyclops, Hugh Jackman did Wolverine justice, Stewart aced Professor X, and Alan Cumming's Nightcrawler was legit. they had so many roles to fill and Singer's crew filled just about every one of them perfectly.

The OGs.

i think im the only one who likes batman forever.

>i think im the only one who likes batman forever.

Wasn't that Batman and Robin?

haha, i thought kneejerk GOATery was an okaysports exclusive.

we don't need 10 seasons of consistency to pass before we grade a performance and put it up against that of another

it's a very different scenario; this is a one shot deal.

LOL just kidding

Before you say it's a series not an episode, may I present you with Batman: Mask of the Phantasm.

and probably never will be. He slayed that shit. Classic performance. Anyone else getting mentioned in this post is an insult.

Dude was just PERFECT!

He definitely was J. Jonah Jameson.