i just watched "daddy's little girls" today and the movie seemed kinda corny to me. its intentions are good for a movie and whatnot; had an "aw shucks" plotline, but it doesn't seem genuine. none of his flicks really do.

i had the exact words i wanted to describe his work when i was watching the movie but i lost em.

typical
predictable


its like "the african american experience! just add water!"

Real awful.

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I tried to watch the stage version and the film version of Diary. The guys writes like old people fuck.

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Does that make the awful writing, obvious exposition and syrupy story lines in the trailer for Daddy's Little Girls any less heavy handed?

it does make you look like a sour hater. I would say "Everyone's entitled to their opinion" but it's obvious that you really hate this dude because you make it a point to jump in every Tyler Perry thread and air your dislike of him out in full detail.

Like I said in the Daddy's Little Girls thread, Tyler Perry IS getting better at directing films. You didn't even see Daddy's Little Girls so you really can't accurately compare that film to Diary. Daddy's Little Girls is far better than his Madea movies and I still stand by the idea that melodrama does work in doses.

That TV show is another story, though...shit's horrible.



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>it does make you look like a sour hater. I would say
>"Everyone's entitled to their opinion" but it's obvious that
>you really hate this dude because you make it a point to jump
>in every Tyler Perry thread and air your dislike of him out in
>full detail.

I air my dislike of everything in full detail. That's what I'm known for around here.

>Like I said in the Daddy's Little Girls thread, Tyler Perry IS
>getting better at directing films. You didn't even see
>Daddy's Little Girls so you really can't accurately compare
>that film to Diary. Daddy's Little Girls is far better than
>his Madea movies and I still stand by the idea that melodrama
>does work in doses.

Yeah. And a tiny little pile of dogshit is better than a huge pile of dogshit.

There are very good people and very bad people. Most times everything on both sides is exaggerated for effect. There is a crisis or two that will get resolved in the last ten minutes with a great song playing. There is a church scene for dramatic effect. The storylines all drive home the point that the good people ultimately prevail in the end.

There are some lousy storylines, and shitty dialogue. Some of it will make you scratch your head, but it will end. Thankfully.


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Present women with emotional dilemmas, such as no-good men and/or drug problems and/or money woes and/or family issues

Present the "wild and crazy" family member who has their back emotionally, ie Madea

Have the women make emotional appeals to the Lord/use the church as an emotional crutch

Have the woman stand up emotionally to her "demons," whether it be the no-good man, and/or the drug problem, and/or the money issue

As a reward present the "good man" who is God-fearing and emotionally available and, well, "good" in that false Babyface "Soon As I Get Home" way

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he should pay.

as a person,then you will not like his films

more humorous than over-dramatized and "serious", you would be SO wrong.

"Madea's Family Reunion" had some guy slapping the -ish out of a woman. "Diary" had a woman being thrown out of her house.

I was watching like, "...so...this is supposed to be funny, right. I'm pretty sure I didn't rent Waiting To Exhale."

All of his stories are centered around the plight of the black woman done-wrong so, if you like that, his movies are right up your alley! If you like watching heartbroken, innocent and near-angelic men (one of which you will NEVER meet in your entire life) coming to their rescue, that's even better!

DIARY OF A MAD BLACK WOMAN ($5.5 million): $50,633,099 domestic

TYLER PERRY'S MADEA'S FAMILY REUNION ($6 million budget): $63,257,940 domestic

TYLER PERRY'S DADDY'S LITTLE GIRLS ($10 million budget): $31,366,978 domestic


all that bullshit about how good of a writer he is don't matter, because ain't nobody talkin about winning oscars...we talkin about entertaining. all that extra shit is just hate. kev smith ain't the best writer either...and he don't do numbers like tyler.

tyler got his audience and he flips massive profits. nobody don't care about all that other bullshit.

Which, clearly, it doesn't.

But for grown ups with brains, quality matters. So don't piss and moan like a little girl if people criticize him for being shitty.

>Which, clearly, it doesn't.
>
>But for grown ups with brains, quality matters. So don't piss
>and moan like a little girl if people criticize him for being
>shitty.


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that's one thing.

the second thing is you go harder at this dude than any other shitty filmmaker out there and it looks suspect.

finally, he has a large audience, comprised of real people with real lives--grown people with brains--and FOR SOME REASON they see value in his work. that's the bottomline. i ain't gotta like his stuff to accept that. i respect anyone who stays true to what they do. that's why he got a following.

while y'all niggas sitting up here tryna pen these "quirky black comedies" (and convincing yourselves the bullshit A) good B) has an audience) tyler gettin paid on tried and true southern black comedy roots....and you mad.

cry your ass off, double H.

>the second thing is you go harder at this dude than any other
>shitty filmmaker out there and it looks suspect.

Absolutely incorrect as usual. I go hard on anything that I think is crap. Tyler Perry makes movies on the level of a retarded junior high school student. He deserves any and all criticism that he gets. From me and everyone else.

>finally, he has a large audience, comprised of real people
>with real lives--grown people with brains--and FOR SOME REASON
>they see value in his work. that's the bottomline. i ain't
>gotta like his stuff to accept that. i respect anyone who
>stays true to what they do. that's why he got a following.

I accept all that stuff too. But his work is still garbage.

Two and a Half Men is the highest rated sitcom in America. It's awful.

The Devil Wears Prada made $124 million. It was awful.

Just because something makes a lot of money doesn't meat that it's worthy of respect. Everyone with a brain understands that.

>while y'all niggas sitting up here tryna pen these "quirky
>black comedies" (and convincing yourselves the bullshit A)
>good B) has an audience) tyler gettin paid on tried and true
>southern black comedy roots....and you mad.

Replace quirky with good, and you might actually have something. Films are art and it's absolutely valid to address them based on their artistic merit. For some reason, you have the asinine habit of forgetting all of that whenever something was created by a black person.

His work is garbage. I'm talking about it. And YOU are mad.

He's awful. I'm pointing it out. And you're mad.

all i know is you've chosen a bad target to hate on, as he gonna keep doing numbers (unlike tarantino).

i have hated on the dude myself, but his awful writing is putting a lotta black folk in the game to work. in the grand scheme of things, i gotta give him a pass, based on that.

*shrug*

And dislike for people who think he's above criticism just because he's black.

and i've been just as critical of his *audience* as i have his work.

BUT, in my opinion, it is in the best interest of black folk that he continue to be successful. simply put, he gets niggas work.

so, i have taken a vow of silence on his awful movies. i ain't got shit to about say about his flicks anymore. well, nothing negative. i've seen them all and rated them "bad" to "shitty."

you know what, man? do your thing. i ain't gonna be put in the position of defending a nigga whose artistic talents i think are poor at best. i think he's an important and welcome figure in black entertainment, from an economic standpoint. his material just sucks.

>so, i have taken a vow of silence on his awful movies. i ain't
>got shit to about say about his flicks anymore. well, nothing
>negative. i've seen them all and rated them "bad" to "shitty."
>
>
>you know what, man? do your thing. i ain't gonna be put in the
>position of defending a nigga whose artistic talents i think
>are poor at best. i think he's an important and welcome figure
>in black entertainment, from an economic standpoint. his
>material just sucks.

there are plenty of shitty filmmakers out here, but for some odd reason nick and a few other dudes SEEM to save their best hate for tyler perry and other black filmmakers, holding them to some artistic standard they chose not to hold others...and why? because people like kev smith don't flip 40 and 50 million dollar profits?

if perry ain't make money, he would not get hated on because no one would care.

I'm critical of anything that I think is garbage, including Kevin Smith. Guess who was the person in the Clerks 2 thread saying that it was a hot pile of garbage? I was.

is the same difference as bill simmons' criticism of isiah and every other GM he think is shitty....it lacks the same vitriol and frequency.

It's just that you see my Perry criticism because you rush into any post about black movies ready to attack anyone who says something negative.

you've hated more on perry than anyone or anything

Being critical of things is what I'm known for on this very board.

by sheer post volume. tyler's numbers don't lie and neither do yours.

you have hated on him more than anyone else in the entertainment industry.

even mencia. damn.

maybe you can find some other obvious "uncool" underdog to hate on so you can surpass your perry numbers.

I heard he's doing a remake of Stepin Fetchit

what you really want is to
sideways hate on dude

at least bignick has the
balls to just say 'dude
is wack' and call it a day...

1.) he makes movies that distill
the mainstream, southern black
family experience down to a
digestable, feel good form...

2.) he markets his movies to
black institutions that he
knows contain his audience
(i.e., the black church, a
spot i suspect most of PTP
is alienated from or doesn't
mess with)

3.) he is able to tap into
the emotional fears/aspirations
of REGULAR black people, you
know, the blue collar, everyday
forty and fifty year old folks
that go to work, go to church,
etc etc etc etc <--- ie, mugs most of ptp don't fool with

^^ the breakdown ^^^

Much smarter
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nobody said all that...

all the points i made
were specific to the
APPEAL of tp...obviously,
you can fit in that and
still not like dude's
work (i do), but i'm
just expaining from a
business model standpoint
why his product sales...

yall hit dog whenever
dude's name comes up, yo.

>all the points i made
>were specific to the
>APPEAL of tp...

Uh, haven't we all been talking about his appeal? I broke down his formula from a writing standpoint. Was it meant to be read as flowery praise for his style? No, it wasn't, but who said it had to be? It works for him. He found a niche and struck gold with it. Good for him.

I repeat, good for him.


>yall hit dog whenever
>dude's name comes up, yo.

No, not really. With all due respect, this is the kind of bullshit that leads to that "Man, them PTP niggas is snobs" shit over in GD. And for better or worse, "hit dog" or not, I'm going to come to the defense of the people here whenever that shit crops up, cause it ain't the truth. If it has to be labeled as "taking this shit too seriously," then so be it.

Nick has been very vocal about his dislike for TP's films. Does he not have the right to express that as many times as he likes without being called a "hit dog" and any other absurd shit? And others here have complimented TP REPEATEDLY about his ability to tap into a niche market and get that bread, despite the fact that they believe that his work isn't that good.

Liking dude's work and respecting his hustle don't have to be mutually exclusive, and we've pointed that out ad nauseam. But nonetheless, it all ends up as "them PTP snob niggas hate Tyler Perry," which is far from the case.
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You typed this while watching the Criterion Collection edition of Grey Gardens!!!!

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I'm so hip
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who the hell keeps finanicing his movies???? whoever it is should burn in hell!

i mean, buddy is paid as shit, offa his PLAYS.

The movies are just extra cake.

And for a small company like Lion's Gate, those are huge profits. And allows them to fund all those arthouse movies no one goes to see.

From biting it when a couple of my black female friends start talking about how great his movies are.

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You missed the memo, we're supposed to support his stuff (financially and/or critically) no matter what, lest we be labeled as "suspect" by non-PTPers

Nevermind that we've acknowledged and respected the fact that he's a helluva success story, just not one that some of us feel "obligated" to support
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i enjoyed medea's family reunion

i know how trite the stroy was, and how melodramaticevery last moment and confrontation was...

but in the end...i enjoyed it.
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I don't HAVE to like ANYTHING that fool does, but many people eat his material up. From what I've seen of him, he has good intentions, but what actually comes out is pretty lame. Say what you will 'bout Spike, Perry's the R.Kelly of Black Cinema.

>>Perry's the R.Kelly of Black Cinema.<<<

dude has perfected a kind of
feel-good, almost burlesque style
of black cinema and markets it
DIRECTLY to the audience that
likes it.

if mugs wanna judge his audience,
that's on him, but the post title
asked for an explanation of his
appeal, i thought...


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did perry piss on a young boy?

>did perry piss on a young boy?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rest of that shit is awful

if there's any redeeming value in the typical perry storyline it's that they are instructive. the audience gets to see someone making a choice to do the right thing. good and bad are clearly identified in perry world. there's usually a moral to the story, too. plus, the stories lightly pepper in the art of moral reasoning. the bonus is that it comes across without being too preachy or holier than thou.

but do the ends justify the means? i don't think so. i was never under the impression that the plays and movies were meant to be good, but only presentable. i think they're meant to be put on stage to entertain and instruct. and they do. however, i've often felt that the writing is so bad that it makes everything else irrelevant. the writing (and acting) discredits the perry-world experience, which is unfortunate.

in my mind, perry consistently cranks out mediocrity. why in the world can't he invest some money towards developing his "artistic" skills? that's the kind of giving back to the community that i want to see-- not whether or not he employs yet another mediocre actor who can sing, not whether or not he opens the door for another mediocre writer.

All three of his films were surrounding a love story, the man involved is always perfect in any way. Shemar Moore, Boris Kudjoe and Idris Elba were all blue collar workers with a heart of gold and near the end the woman gets a brain and decides to deal with the dude who in real life wouldn't get play from the women that support the film. Its a Sesame Street lesson for grown black women and Madea is Big Bird.

there's an element of fantasy-make-believe in the madea series. the audience has to make a leap into madea world in order for things to be plausible. certain rules (ex: attractive men) are in play when it comes to madea world and as a viewer, you either accept them or you don't. obviously, madea world isn't real life. you've pointed out a few reasons why it's not reality. i think everyone understands that it's not real life, even if only on a subconscious level. i don't think that the fantastic elements of the stories make the instructive value of them idealistic.

>All three of his films were surrounding a love story, the man
>involved is always perfect in any way.

i wouldn't go that far. i'd say that the men in the romantic roles aren't perfect in every way, but in the ways that count. they apparently have an interest in treating women with respect.

instructive: recognize the bad. recognize the good.
instructive: bad "acts" this way. good "acts" this way.
instructive: people can choose bad or good.
instructive: are you choosing bad or good?
instructive: choose good.

the goodness of the male characters has nothing to do with their looks and everything to do with their actions. the bad male characters aren't exactly ugly, either. the attractive male phenomena is part of what happens in madea world. it's a device...but it's also another chance to instruct: appearances can be deceiving so it's important to be able to recognize good and bad.

grant it, maybe there are some women who may come away from the films believing that there's a connection between a guy's ability to show goodness with their money and looks. maybe the stories encourage shallow mating preferences and unreasonable amounts of wish-fulfillment and lots of trouble for the guy who ends up dating a black woman with such silly ideas filling her head. maybe. but there doesn't seem to be anything in the films to suggest that women should focus their energies on finding a man who's hot or rich/hot and rich. in fact, some of the women in the stories who use the "sexy w/ a bank account" screening method end up being quite unhappy.

at any rate, i don't think it's an idealistic viewpoint that women should protect themselves and learn how to choose mates who demonstrate good qualities. is the lesson presented in a hokey, corny, manner? yes.

>Shemar Moore, Boris
>Kudjoe and Idris Elba were all blue collar workers with a
>heart of gold and near the end the woman gets a brain and
>decides to deal with the dude who in real life wouldn't get
>play from the women that support the film.

then maybe people aren't getting the moral of the story!

but then again, maybe it's the second rate presentation that makes the moral of the story un-seeable and easily misunderstood.

>Its a Sesame Street
>lesson for grown black women and Madea is Big Bird.

the simplicity/transparency of the story lines don't bother me. children don't always get solid moral instruction and they grow up to become adults who make decisions without the benefit of it. simplicity is a very effective way to build up people's confidence with the basics. what bothers me is that the storylines are developed in a way that makes any kind of message seem trite.

TO THE SARLAC PIT WITH HER!

>there's an element of fantasy-make-believe in the madea
>series. the audience has to make a leap into madea world in
>order for things to be plausible. certain rules (ex:
>attractive men) are in play when it comes to madea world and
>as a viewer, you either accept them or you don't. obviously,
>madea world isn't real life. you've pointed out a few reasons
>why it's not reality. i think everyone understands that it's
>not real life, even if only on a subconscious level. i don't
>think that the fantastic elements of the stories make the
>instructive value of them idealistic.
>
>>All three of his films were surrounding a love story, the
>man
>>involved is always perfect in any way.
>
>i wouldn't go that far. i'd say that the men in the romantic
>roles aren't perfect in every way, but in the ways that count.
>they apparently have an interest in treating women with
>respect.
>
>instructive: recognize the bad. recognize the good.
>instructive: bad "acts" this way. good "acts" this way.
>instructive: people can choose bad or good.
>instructive: are you choosing bad or good?
>instructive: choose good.
>
>the goodness of the male characters has nothing to do with
>their looks and everything to do with their actions. the bad
>male characters aren't exactly ugly, either. the attractive
>male phenomena is part of what happens in madea world. it's a
>device...but it's also another chance to instruct: appearances
>can be deceiving so it's important to be able to recognize
>good and bad.
>
>grant it, maybe there are some women who may come away from
>the films believing that there's a connection between a guy's
>ability to show goodness with their money and looks. maybe the
>stories encourage shallow mating preferences and unreasonable
>amounts of wish-fulfillment and lots of trouble for the guy
>who ends up dating a black woman with such silly ideas filling
>her head. maybe. but there doesn't seem to be anything in the
>films to suggest that women should focus their energies on
>finding a man who's hot or rich/hot and rich. in fact, some of
>the women in the stories who use the "sexy w/ a bank account"
>screening method end up being quite unhappy.
>
>at any rate, i don't think it's an idealistic viewpoint that
>women should protect themselves and learn how to choose mates
>who demonstrate good qualities. is the lesson presented in a
>hokey, corny, manner? yes.
>
>>Shemar Moore, Boris
>>Kudjoe and Idris Elba were all blue collar workers with a
>>heart of gold and near the end the woman gets a brain and
>>decides to deal with the dude who in real life wouldn't get
>>play from the women that support the film.
>
>then maybe people aren't getting the moral of the story!
>
>but then again, maybe it's the second rate presentation that
>makes the moral of the story un-seeable and easily
>misunderstood.
>
>>Its a Sesame Street
>>lesson for grown black women and Madea is Big Bird.
>
>the simplicity/transparency of the story lines don't bother
>me. children don't always get solid moral instruction and they
>grow up to become adults who make decisions without the
>benefit of it. simplicity is a very effective way to build up
>people's confidence with the basics. what bothers me is that
>the storylines are developed in a way that makes any kind of
>message seem trite.
>
>

to clarify. yes, there's a message in the movies. no, i don't think that automatically makes the movies good or watchable, or somehow kosher because he's helping the black community. as long as he continues to indulge in wishy washy artistic standards (film, playwriting, direction, etc) i think the issue of values will ironically be the thing that works against him. he indulges in mediocrity and ignorance in ways that assign a positive value to them. when that happens, to me, he might as well have not taken the time to write a message into his movies in the first place, no matter how well meaning he is. it muddies things up when mom says marry a good guy but you see her having a hard time being a part of a functioning marriage.

if he's going to push the values front, i wish he'd take the time to consider whether or not value (of the artistic variety) is something that can be seen in the nuts and bolts creation of his material. the perry phenonmenon could very well lead someone to think that they should be applauded for a similar kind of creative effort.

TO THE SARLAC PIT WITH HER!

>there's an element of fantasy-make-believe in the madea
>series. the audience has to make a leap into madea world in
>order for things to be plausible. certain rules (ex:
>attractive men) are in play when it comes to madea world and
>as a viewer, you either accept them or you don't. obviously,
>madea world isn't real life. you've pointed out a few reasons
>why it's not reality. i think everyone understands that it's
>not real life, even if only on a subconscious level. i don't
>think that the fantastic elements of the stories make the
>instructive value of them idealistic.
>
>
>i wouldn't go that far. i'd say that the men in the romantic
>roles aren't perfect in every way, but in the ways that count.
>they apparently have an interest in treating women with
>respect.
>
>instructive: recognize the bad. recognize the good.
>instructive: bad "acts" this way. good "acts" this way.
>instructive: people can choose bad or good.
>instructive: are you choosing bad or good?
>instructive: choose good.
>
>the goodness of the male characters has nothing to do with
>their looks and everything to do with their actions. the bad
>male characters aren't exactly ugly, either. the attractive
>male phenomena is part of what happens in madea world. it's a
>device...but it's also another chance to instruct: appearances
>can be deceiving so it's important to be able to recognize
>good and bad.
>
>grant it, maybe there are some women who may come away from
>the films believing that there's a connection between a guy's
>ability to show goodness with their money and looks. maybe the
>stories encourage shallow mating preferences and unreasonable
>amounts of wish-fulfillment and lots of trouble for the guy
>who ends up dating a black woman with such silly ideas filling
>her head. maybe. but there doesn't seem to be anything in the
>films to suggest that women should focus their energies on
>finding a man who's hot or rich/hot and rich. in fact, some of
>the women in the stories who use the "sexy w/ a bank account"
>screening method end up being quite unhappy.
>
>at any rate, i don't think it's an idealistic viewpoint that
>women should protect themselves and learn how to choose mates
>who demonstrate good qualities. is the lesson presented in a
>hokey, corny, manner? yes.
>
>
>then maybe people aren't getting the moral of the story!
>
>
>the simplicity/transparency of the story lines don't bother
>me. children don't always get solid moral instruction and they
>grow up to become adults who make decisions without the
>benefit of it. simplicity is a very effective way to build up
>people's confidence with the basics. what bothers me is that
>the storylines are developed in a way that makes any kind of
>message seem trite.
>
>