what a damn bomb.

how long can this dude keep making the same "bad ass" "could you act more black and say nigger with a bit more gusto? thanks.....ACTION!" *guns* "What? y'all don't remember the 70s? sheeeit, well, lemme show you...again." *not-so-subtle disturbing fascination with black women* *coolness* MOVIE??!?!?!

it's the same fucking movie. again.

*SMH* at poitier's daughter...he ain't want t. howard performing with 3-6 at the oscars, but he ain't work up the nerve to tell his daughter to have the guts to not shake her ass to satisfy tarantino's sassy-bad bitch black woman fetish?

if that girl think shaking her ass in a tarantino movie is gonna get her some parts, she fuckin crazy.

here my suggestion: cut your fuckin hair and shake your ass in some "black" movies"

shout out to cube for the clean family fun. it was positive!

how do they expect it not to flop

Silliness. These numbers are even low for Rob Rod. At least he got some pussy outta the film...

Unless they didn't give a shit about the numbers... if so then big ups to those two dudes.

-- Nate

instead of the movies its ripping off / "paying homage to"

AND it's three hours long?

If there are people who say, go see this movie, but criticize ocean's 13 as a bunch of actors just fucking around for two hours on screen with no real point, then they're hypocrites.


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>If there are people who say, go see this movie, but criticize
>ocean's 13 as a bunch of actors just fucking around for two
>hours on screen with no real point, then they're hypocrites.

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come on Frank, you better than that.

QT and RR shouldn't have spent so much money on it. Clearly they either didn't care about the money they were spending, or they thought they'd recupe in DVD sales or something, or they were totally misguided.

I'm not saying QT did nothing wrong here, nor am I copping pleas. If ANY filmmaker, even Spielberg, did some artsy experimental throwback that cost 55 mil to make, it still wouldn't recupe.

Does that mean the experiment has no value? I dunno, but you damn sure don't make that type of thing to make a profit. If people expected QT's name to pull in that profit (which many people did), then they were sorely overrating his box office pull to begin with. He probably overrated his own box office pull as well.

But name me a 3 hour, R rated movie placed into an obsolete genre, and it fails at the box office. Shit, QT failed at the box office before doing this with Jackie Brown, which was only 2 and a half hours long.

didnt marilyn mansons girlfriend have a bazooka for a leg?

If the right people do it.

>didnt marilyn mansons girlfriend have a bazooka for a leg?

Rodriguez turnin' that out now. Lost his wife over that shit.

-- Nate

Didn't know she was the one that used to go with Manson...

>QT and RR shouldn't have spent so much money on it. Clearly
>they either didn't care about the money they were spending, or
>they thought they'd recupe in DVD sales or something, or they
>were totally misguided.
>

They expected this movie to blow up, though. Rodriguez and QT. It doesn't get bigger than that. Especially after Kill Bill and Sin City. They should have put up some decent numbers.

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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=412023

Still, when Americans see "Grindhouse," both films have to deliver or the experiment fails.

"If it only works as a nostalgic blast or if you have to know everything about this, then we didn't do a very good job. Conceivably the people who probably will enjoy it the most are younger people who have never had this experience before and they watch it and it's all new to them. It makes us look even more original than we really are." -Quentin Tarantino.

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Death Proof didn't do a good job. Planet Terror did, and the trailers, did though.


>I'm not saying QT did nothing wrong here, nor am I copping
>pleas. If ANY filmmaker, even Spielberg, did some artsy
>experimental throwback that cost 55 mil to make, it still
>wouldn't recupe.
>

Its not experimental. A parody of movies? Nothing new here. Its not bold. Its not creative.

And I think the arrogance by Tarantino to pass it off as it is, is comical to say the least. I really don't think Rodriguez cares. He'll just keep trucking along. But the Weinsteins and Tarantino, i'm sure, are quite shocked. They thought they would make a killing on this. And half the movie is good, while the 2nd half sucks. When word of mouth goes around...i mean the numbers don't lie.

with Planet Terror, it was a good, typical Rodriguez film.

w/ Death Proof, its sucked and was a snooze fest for 90% of the film.

So, when word travels about this, folks ain't gonna be as eager to see it.

>Does that mean the experiment has no value? I dunno, but you
>damn sure don't make that type of thing to make a profit.
>If
>people expected QT's name to pull in that profit (which many
>people did), then they were sorely overrating his box office
>pull to begin with. He probably overrated his own box office
>pull as well.
>

I think you hit it right on the nail. I think most people believed that it would QT's name is attached and Rodriguez's success w/ Sin City, its gonna work wonders. And then QT's movie, Death Proof, sucked anyway. That didn't help either.

>But name me a 3 hour, R rated movie placed into an obsolete
>genre, and it fails at the box office. Shit, QT failed at the
>box office before doing this with Jackie Brown, which was only
>2 and a half hours long.

He didn't fail w/ Jackie Brown (although the movie was definitely flat). It made money. It was a safe choice for a movie (an adapted novel), small budget, and he knew it was gonna make what it was gonna make and buy him time before he really had actually do some work for a movie.

tarantino OR rodriguez movies HARDLY EVER SELL in the box office, they always cash out once it hits DVD...sin city & kill bill didn't sell in the box office.

i personally think that those two film directors don't even CARE how much their movie is going to sell, they're doing this because of the fact they LOVE filmaking and want to please their cult-like fans, which is exactly PURPOSE for making "grindhouse".

of course a 3-hr, R-rated film paying homage to BAD MOVIES is not going to sell on an EASTER WEEKEND. no coincidence that all of the other movies that topped were family orientated films.

if they were under some sort of major film industry control then this movie would of NEVER gotten the greenlight because of the fact that it wouldn't of sold in the box office, however rodriguez is COMPLETELY independent with DIMENSION merely being its distributor.

>tarantino OR rodriguez movies HARDLY EVER SELL in the box
>office, they always cash out once it hits DVD...sin city &
>kill bill didn't sell in the box office.
>

Sin City = Domestic: $74,103,820
Foreign: $84,650,000

Kill Bill 1 = Domestic: $70,099,045
Foreign: $110,850,000

Kill Bill 2 = Domestic: $66,208,183
Foreign: $85,951,278


Did you say Kill Bill and Sin City didn't sell at the box office??

lol


>i personally think that those two film directors don't even
>CARE how much their movie is going to sell, they're doing this
>because of the fact they LOVE filmaking and want to please
>their cult-like fans, which is exactly PURPOSE for making
>"grindhouse".
>

lol. they care about making money. you just gulliable to believe anything QT says. QT has always been and will always be about money. Same with Rob.

>of course a 3-hr, R-rated film paying homage to BAD MOVIES is
>not going to sell on an EASTER WEEKEND. no coincidence that
>all of the other movies that topped were family orientated
>films.
>

no coincidence at all that QT made a bad movie, and Rob made a good one.

no coincidence at all that the movies you said didn't sell by them, they actually did sell quite well.

these first week numbers are a disappointment, especially with their stature in the movie business, particulally Tarantino who has the audience and critics in the palm of his hands.

Or at least so he thought. lol

>if they were under some sort of major film industry control
>then this movie would of NEVER gotten the greenlight because
>of the fact that it wouldn't of sold in the box office,
>however rodriguez is COMPLETELY independent with DIMENSION
>merely being its distributor.

lol

crappy movies get made all the time.

what they are doing isn't maverick. its actually quite the opposite.

its quite safe what they are doing, they just didn't expect it to flop like it has given their so-called status.

and that's TOTAL gross so think about how much it made the opening weekend.

obviously you're a QT hater instead acknowledge that the majority of their films aren't box office GIANTS, you want to prove me wrong by giving me total earnsing and ethering yourself at the sametime.

the film grossed 12 mill. to take that into consideration, it will reach it's budget of 55 mill once it had its run in theatres, which is the average of almost all their movies. they make their huge profit once it go to DVD

do you know how to add? lol

if you just take the US sales, they sold well.

you lost.


>obviously you're a QT hater instead acknowledge that the
>majority of their films aren't box office GIANTS, you want to
>prove me wrong by giving me total earnsing and ethering
>yourself at the sametime.
>

you said they didn't sell well.

they did.

you lost.


>the film grossed 12 mill. to take that into consideration, it
>will reach it's budget of 55 mill once it had its run in
>theatres, which is the average of almost all their movies.
>they make their huge profit once it go to DVD
>

you said they didn't sell well.

they did.

you lost.

they sold moderate, but their 1st week sales were never explosive just like with grindhouse

they make their profit from DVD sales....

you lost because of you blinding hate on QT

grindhouse isn't design to make huge numbers, it's 3-plus hours long R-rated (damn near bordering NC-17) type film being released during the familiest of all familiest weekends which is Easter weekend...

just logic tells you that it wasn't going to sale, just look at the type of movies that topped it...

also a major film corporation wouldn't even give it the greenlight, i cannot picture something like dreamworks riding with the concept, but QT & rodriguez rode with it because of their own love filmaking. if it was all about making a profit, then they wouldn't of even TRY to make a movie like this. it's for their enjoyment and dedicated to their cult-fanbase

tarantino OR rodriguez movies HARDLY EVER SELL in the box
office, they always cash out once it hits DVD...sin city &
kill bill didn't sell in the box office. (c) gluvnast


Sin City = Domestic: $74,103,820
Foreign: $84,650,000

Kill Bill 1 = Domestic: $70,099,045
Foreign: $110,850,000

Kill Bill 2 = Domestic: $66,208,183
Foreign: $85,951,278



^^^gluvnast lost

but I see what you're saying.

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/4113/17562318

but here is some more "coppage".

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-04-08-box-office-analysis_N.htm?csp=34

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By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY
It would have been difficult for Grindhouse to enter this weekend with more momentum and publicity.
The bloody homage to the exploitation flicks of the 1970s graced the covers of, among others, Entertainment Weekly and Rolling Stone. Directors Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez campaigned nationwide, working TV shows like presidential candidates. The film earned glowing reviews.


BY THE NUMBERS: Top 10 films

So how did Grindhouse tank?

The movie took in $11.6 million, less than half of what was expected. It was considered a lock to be this weekend's No. 1, but it came nowhere close to Blades of Glory and Meet the Robinsons, two comedies already in their second week.

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"We expected to do $20 million," says Harvey Weinstein of the Weinstein Co., which released Grindhouse. "Obviously, there was resistance in some parts of the country."

That resistance may stem from what got the $53 million movie so much exposure in the first place. Studio executives and industry analysts say a few factors may have led to the disappointing opening:

•It's a double feature.Grindhouse is two movies in one: Rodriguez's zombie film Planet Terror and Tarantino's Death Proof. It also includes faux trailers, missing reels and scenes made to look spliced and worn. "You have to give them credit for trying something experimental," says 20th Century Fox's distribution executive Bert Livingston. "But that also carries some risk."

•It's long. At more than three hours, Grindhouse was going to test the patience of even diehard fans of the directors and genre. "Let's face it: Attention spans are a lot shorter," DreamWorks' Marvin Levy says. "Anything over 90 minutes, and people can start getting fidgety."

•It's a questionable genre. An homage to a beloved genre like the musical or Western is one thing. But grindhouse movies — whose plots often included women in prison, serial killers and karate brawls — were, for the most part, bad. "Ultimately, they're re-creating something known for niche audiences and for not being a hit at the box office," says Paul Dergarabedian of industry tracker Media By Numbers. "That can scare off a large portion of your audience."

Weinstein, though, is hardly folding the tent. The film played well on the coasts, he says, but weakly in the South and Midwest. He plans to develop new ad campaigns for those regions and send his stars and filmmakers there for more publicity.

And Weinstein says that because the movies will be released separately on DVD, "we need to change strategy and educate audiences that the Grindhouse experience will only be in theaters. It's too early to call the fate of this movie."

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The bottom line is that QT and RR maybe don't have the universal clout needed to sell a risky, experimental project like this. They thought they did, the media thought they did, and cinema geeks thought they did. But they don't.

>The bottom line is that QT and RR maybe don't have the
>universal clout needed to sell a risky, experimental project
>like this. They thought they did, the media thought they did,
>and cinema geeks thought they did. But they don't.

They had enough clout to not come in 4th place.

Really? REALLY?

They aren't stupid.

this movie was a bargin. paying the price of 1 movie for 2?

please!

it flopped on its own merit.

QT (the bigger name and draw) made a bad,loooooong and boring movie.

RR made a good movie, but folks want to see Quentin's work.

Word travels fast.


Nobody is going to see that sh*t if they hear mixed reviews on it, and mofos walking out in the middle of Death Proof because it was so boring.

nobody complains about the length of a good movie, do they?

no, they don't. lol

Hipsters,geeks, and Tarantino Stans love that sh*t. But they would love and find some intellectual and technical justification of a movie of Tarantino sitting on the toilet for an hour and half.

Thus, it comes in 4th place.

They have every reason why it did flop,save for the material they came up with.

QT f*cked up, and it hurt the movie's chances on the first week.

Robert Rodriguez did his job. The trailers did their job. QT didn't.

Would've made a lot more sense/cents no?

"Admit it. You fucked up. You trusted us." (c) Otter

-- Nate

What, you think the Weinsteins are going to halt production on "Sin City 2" because "Grindhouse" flopped? RR will make it for in 10 days for 5 million in his basement, and it will be a hit, and then he'll make anohter sequel. Tarantino will still make "Inglorious Bastards." Flops happen. A lot more often than hits.

Grindhouse Disappoints
Grindhouse did not, as they say, open. It came in fourth with a $11 million gross on 2624 screens with a running time of three hours and 12 minutes. Here's the WSJ story on the Weinstein's $53-million marketing gamble (subscription required, see paste below).

What went wrong? Let us list the ways. Grindhouse was a cult concept, with a cult following. It was the kind of movie critics praise (Metacritic gave it a very good 78) but it was beat by Ice Cube's execrably reviewed comedy Are We Done Yet? (Metacritic ranking: 39). Many audiences said: "I don't have three hours." The Rodriguez half of Grindhouse was for horror fans, and was far too gross for women, who might have liked the Tarantino half, which is a total female empowerment flick. My friend in Chicago who eagerly took a pal on opening day reported about 30 people in the theater. Not a good sign.

The whole point of this exercise was TO DO IT CHEAP! The movie probably cost far more than the Weinsteins' claim of $53 million. With total P & A costs the movie probably sneaks close to $100 million. What happened is what happens to all movie companies when name talent have the clout to hold their financeers for ransom. That is, the two directors spent beyond their budget because they wanted their movies to be as good as they could be. Performance anxiety trumps prudence. Rodriguez spent to make his trashy send-off of grade-B horror flix as gruesome as possible (he also melted down over the breakup of his marriage and the production had to shut down for a month; the Weinsteins ate that cost). And Tarantino shot and shot and shot to score the best possible car chase finale. Marrying those two movies into a digital internegative and final film print at the last possible minute wasn't cheap either.

Ideally, the Weinsteins would have been at the top of their game, with a lot of clout behind them, and insisted that the directors file two movies at one-hour each. Which is what they were supposed to do in the first place. Doable. The movies would have been cheaper, easier to watch and sell.

But in their current guise, without a slate of hits behind them, the Weinsteins had no choice but to let the filmmakers do what they wanted. Both Rodriguez and Tarantino gave them a lot over the years and stuck with the brothers after they left Disney. The filmmakers wanted the movie to go out through Dimension and not MGM; they wanted the Weinsteins to book and sell and market and care, deeply, about making the movie work. There was plenty of awareness of this movie. That's why it tracked so well. But on Easter Holy weekend, Ice Cube was a bigger marquee draw inside his market niche than an ensemble of stars few have heard of in a violent R-rated splatterfest homage to movies few ever saw--Kurt Russell was the biggest name of the bunch.

It's also telling that the loud internet chatter didn't translate at the box office. Young men and film fans are the easiest to reach on the web, but Grindhouse needed more. It should have opened in fewer theaters and built up an audience. But at that negative cost, the Weinsteins needed to go wide selling their brand-name directors--who were playing strictly to their core, with no crossover. The movie will plug along for a while, but the Weinsteins will have to make their money back overseas (where the films will be separate) and on DVD, where the running time won't be an issue. In the digital home movie universe, more is more.

A slice of the WSJ piece is posted on jump:

Weinstein acknowledges it was "challenging" to market "Grindhouse" but says audiences are craving something new. The brothers made their name in the early days by working with filmmakers like Mr. Tarantino who created his classic "Pulp Fiction" in 1994 at Miramax. "This is the kind of thing we built our company on," Bob Weinstein says of "Grindhouse," which the company estimates cost $53 million to make.
Director Robert Rodriguez began plotting the film 'Grindhouse' after hatching this character's image.
After making a 3-D version of "Spy Kids" for the Weinsteins' Dimension movie label, Mr. Rodriguez says he wanted to create another "big theatrical experience that lured people back into theaters." A fan of grindhouse cinema, he started working on a horror double bill, and intended on making both movies himself. Then one day at Mr. Tarantino's house, he spotted the same grindhouse poster he had been using for inspiration for his project. A fellow fan of the genre, Mr. Tarantino offered to make one of the movies.

The directors have been intimately involved in figuring out how to sell their passionate interest in the genre to the public. A big part of the draw of exploitation movies historically was their posters and marketing. B-movie filmmakers would take a sensational aspect of their film such as a bizarre character or taboo theme and use that to draw in audiences. Mr. Rodriguez says they conceived the poster before they even started the movies. The image for his movie, "Planet Terror," started with a sexy woman in a bra-top and mini-skirt with a machine-gun leg. The character went on to become the movie's star -- Cherry Darling, a stripper whose leg is chewed off by zombies.

They used a common catchphrase from 1970s double bills -- "two great movies for the price of one" and spiked it with the kind of breathless language typical of the genre: "Together in one smash explosive show."

When they sat down to plot a more extensive marketing campaign last year, Bob Weinstein says they realized they needed to do something very basic: educate the audience about the concept. Both directors have big followings of fans who embrace their unusual styles of filmmaking. But they needed to reach out to a broader audience.

They started by making a 22-minute special hosted by the directors in which they talk about the history of the genre and key features such as the "Badass Babes, the Girls of Grindhouse." The special aired on various cable channels in recent weeks including MTV2, FX and Sci Fi. Later on, they ran two-minute clips from the special along with more traditional trailers. They also sponsored new shows like FX's comedy "The Riches" and got Mr. Tarantino to talk about grindhouse for special TV double bills of his "Kill Bill" movies.

While such television efforts are key to raising awareness, they had an important tool that 1970s filmmakers didn't have: the Internet. The surprise success of movies like "300" have hammered home the importance of that marketing platform: "300" built significant buzz by not only having a myspace page but sponsoring a feature upgrade on the site. Like "Grindhouse," "300" was R-rated.

"Grindhouse" ran a four-month campaign on Yahoo Movies, which featured exclusives on its home page. They also had an exclusive deal with IGN.com, the site for avid video gamers as well as other youth-oriented sites like MTV.com. They gave downloadable versions of the fake trailers to some sites, which quickly found their way onto Myspace and YouTube.

If it's for the whole thing then it's not that bad, especially if the Weinstein's split the film.

Mech

Damn, I'm good... and to the rest of you... my bad...

Also, you forgot "RACIST ASS BITCH"

"I enjoyed all 3 hours and 11 minutes of this movie (SPOILERS)
And I don't give a shit if the movie makes a grand total of $3.55 at the box office this weekend"
______________________________________________________________________
Only AFFLECK Can Stop...
The MoonRaper

thanks for the great title, nonetheless.

i woulda let this issue slide, honestly.

you could have easily continued it here

And please believe, my coverage of this won't go any further than this set of 3 posts (the two here and the box office report in the movie post), so...
______________________________________________________________________
Only AFFLECK Can Stop...
The MoonRaper

plus cubes movie has the whitest of white directors.

working behind the cameras

Grips, PA's, etc
_____________________________________________________________________
sing it for your nation y'all

_______________________________________________________________________
sing it for your nation y'all

I can't even tell. I respect your views on him, but I think you'd have more fun with this somewhere else.

a black man with a dark skinned wife (!!!!)
just being put in normal family situations
that didn't look overly buffoonish


Shit like that gets props from me

We know who REALLY made that film money.

Hey wait....
Ice Cube the Gangsta Rapper?
He's doing crappy disney type family films?

Yeah.
This is a good movement to be behind on ALL levels from ALL angles.
Well thought out.



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Ason in post 26 makes a good point.

Mech

than a dude with his head exploding

directors have an opportunity to pimp the system and make the movie they'd want to see? hell yeah, who cares if it flopped? those cats still got paid, the studios are the only ones taking an L , you think the directors give a shit if it flops? those dudes are passionate about cult movies, thier doing cartwheels about hustling the suits into paying for an epic, expensive, bad movie. rod will totally get the $$$ for sin city 2, quentin will get funding for his next movie no doubt, and im thrilled to pay $6 for this epic gorefest on wed. rod and quentin won.

Mech

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you won't be missed.

I'm a Tarantino fan and really don't want to see this movie. I'll probably rent it, but I'm not dying to see it.

he's not even trying anymore

Grindhouse fell a ridiculous 74% on Friday. 50% has become the norm for most films but anything more than that is bad. 74% is almost unprecedented. Are we done yet dropped 55%.

On Friday it made 1.3 million to finish 11th behind Disturbia (#1 with 8 mil on Friday), Are We Done Yet, Blades of Glory, Meet the Robinson, Perfect Stranger, ATHF, and even Pathfinder, The Reaping, Redline and Wild Hogs.

>Grindhouse fell a ridiculous 74% on Friday. 50% has become
>the norm for most films but anything more than that is bad.
>74% is almost unprecedented. Are we done yet dropped 55%.
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>On Friday it made 1.3 million to finish 11th behind Disturbia
>(#1 with 8 mil on Friday), Are We Done Yet, Blades of Glory,
>Meet the Robinson, Perfect Stranger, ATHF, and even
>Pathfinder, The Reaping, Redline and Wild Hogs.
>
>

and I like Tarantino.

but this movie just seemed like a bad idea from the start.

and liked it
(for free)

fuk hollywood tho

I'll wait to d/l the DVD screener

and it really is pretty good

And I liked most of the movie, too. But 74 percent?

real talk

nm

i dont give a shit bout tarantino, rodriguez, the numbers the movies are doing or anything else discussed in this post

i just think its a waste of time to overanalyze movie numbers the way you all are in here

all *i* care about is whether i enjoy the movie or not

there are so many movies that i've loved that have done *nothing* at the box office

& QT & Rodriguez will be just fine, i'm sure

It barely snuck past Redline. 300 moved on to #9 (and topped 200 million) with Aqua Teen Hunger Force dropping to 13th (although with a solid enough per theater).


Grindhouse made 4 and change and has 19 million total. Disturbia made 23 this weekend.