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|Topic subject||More Mencia drama.|
269201, More Mencia drama.|
Posted by bignick, Sun Apr-01-07 07:11 PM
Carlos Mencia calls into San Diego radio show 'Cantore in the Morning' to talk about his fame and all the rumors surrounding him about stealing material. All is going well until comedian Ari Shaffir calls in and challenges him and Carlos gets fed up and hangs up!
269219, From what I've seen|
Posted by PolarbearToenails, Sun Apr-01-07 08:42 PM
Ari Shaffir is kind of awful. Maybe I'm wrong on that one though, it's a preliminary finding.
But Mencia is DEFINITELY awful. Ugh, he's terrible. Joke-stealer or not.
269323, I've never seen Ari's standup act, but I hate his guts.|
Posted by bski, Mon Apr-02-07 10:05 AM
He was that dude that made those bullshit ass "Amazing Racist" videos.
269233, Error with the audio|
Posted by SoulHonky, Sun Apr-01-07 09:56 PM
What did Ari have to say? Maybe Mencia steals but the joke that that guy claims he stole is a VERY generic joke. I'm sure there's a lot of comics out there that tell that joke.
269264, Maybe he steals?|
Posted by likwit_crew, Mon Apr-02-07 12:31 AM
Have you not seen the Cosby clip?
269247, At this poinrt: Mencia drama or "I'm Rick James, bitch"???|
Posted by Basaglia, Sun Apr-01-07 11:00 PM
269311, mencia is a joke himself|
Posted by RECOR, Mon Apr-02-07 09:16 AM
269317, that boy is done...|
Posted by Jru, Mon Apr-02-07 09:46 AM
269381, i've never thought mencia was funny....|
Posted by michaelo, Mon Apr-02-07 12:34 PM
he's always bugged man. i saw him once over 10 years ago at the comedy store in la jolla (san diego). didn't think he was funny then or now.
now, freddie soto!! check for that dude. he's funny.
269386, Freddy was a really great comic.|
Posted by MarauderOL, Mon Apr-02-07 12:42 PM
Glad I got too see him live more than once.
Posted by michaelo, Mon Apr-02-07 12:52 PM
did he die?
269408, Click the link.|
Posted by MarauderOL, Mon Apr-02-07 01:44 PM
269510, RE: Click the link.|
Posted by michaelo, Mon Apr-02-07 05:57 PM
i had no fucking idea. i loved that guy!
Posted by bignick, Mon Apr-02-07 06:46 PM
269417, Ari's currently in the process of compiling a collection of comics bits|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Mon Apr-02-07 02:02 PM
that Mencia stole
269568, so, he's putting time into something that may actually make him famous?|
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Apr-02-07 09:03 PM
Posted by SoulHonky, Mon Apr-02-07 09:15 PM
I understand that stealing is taboo and the worst thing a comic can do but a lot of these guys should just work on their own material. It's like if Ryan Leaf was whining about people using steroids in the NFL.
269574, They do work on their own material...then ned steals it|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Mon Apr-02-07 09:18 PM
>I understand that stealing is taboo and the worst thing a
>comic can do but a lot of these guys should just work on their
>own material. It's like if Ryan Leaf was whining about people
>using steroids in the NFL.
so why not put together a comprehensive list of who and what is being stolen?
269607, What will it accomplish?|
Posted by SoulHonky, Mon Apr-02-07 11:51 PM
Do you think anybody outside of the incestuous stand-up comedy world cares? Comedy Central has to already know about it and I highly doubt something like this is going to make them cancel his show.
And personally, I don't think someone who's entire schtick is shock, racist comedy shouldn't go around preaching about comedy.
269754, RE: What will it accomplish?|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Tue Apr-03-07 01:19 PM
>Do you think anybody outside of the incestuous stand-up
>comedy world cares? Comedy Central has to already know about
>it and I highly doubt something like this is going to make
>them cancel his show.
here's the swipe from his myspace page:
"Comics, tell me with your Carlos Mencia stories of theft
If you have any stories about how Carlos Mencia stole a joke, please send them to me. Send me a message with the subject, "Carlos Stole" or something like that. Tel me the story, and tell me if you don't want me to include your name and I'll make sure you're kept anonymous.
I want to compile a list of people and bits who were raided by the world's number one joke pirate. Make your voice heard. Be as detailed as possible and I'll edit it down to something usable.
But don't send it from fake accounts because I usually don't read those.
Let's do it comics. He normally skates by hoping that anyone accusing him of thievery will not know other people's material or enough of Mencia's material in order to catch him. If we have a list, I doubt he'll be able to claim parallel thinking or "I did that joke first" about all of that material."
>And personally, I don't think someone who's entire schtick is
>shock, racist comedy shouldn't go around preaching about
Hahah...This made me laugh
269774, Grow up?|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 02:17 PM
Sorry, but I think shock racist comedy is one notch below stealing. And that's all that Shaffir is.
269578, Actually, it's nothing like that.|
Posted by bignick, Mon Apr-02-07 09:36 PM
>It's like if Ryan Leaf was whining about people
>using steroids in the NFL.
It's like if Ryan Leaf finally had a good game and another QB got all the credit for it.
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Mon Apr-02-07 09:40 PM
269612, I disagree|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 12:04 AM
It's a guy who's never made it big getting upset because someone else made it by cheating. That's all it is now. Maybe if they went about it in a better manner, dare I say, a more professional manner, they could have done something with it. But now they are just going back and digging through the Mencia files and pointing out other shit.
I get it. If Ari's taping Mencia's new shit and showing that he's continuing to steal, maybe he'd have something but right now I think most people are over hearing about this.
269615, Still way, way off base.|
Posted by bignick, Tue Apr-03-07 12:10 AM
>It's a guy who's never made it big getting upset because
>someone else made it by cheating.
So because someone hasn't made it big, he doesn't get to complain if someone steals his work? That idea is fucking ridiculous.
Mencia steals from other comics and THEY get criticized for complaining about it.
269617, There's speaking out and then there's bitching and moaning|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 12:19 AM
Look at the way George Lopez handled it as opposed to Rogan and Ari. Louis C.K. doesn't bitch and moan this much and the guy who took his material is ten times bigger than Mencia. Ari might be fighting the right fight but he's doing it in the wrong way.
I feel for people who have their material stolen and won't support Mencia or watch any of his shit but, honestly, I'm sick of Rogan and Ari's crusade against him. If Mencia pulls something new, then call him out again but continally bitching about old shit (especially the weak joke of Ari's) is tired.
269620, Again..you're criticizing the wrong people.|
Posted by bignick, Tue Apr-03-07 12:25 AM
>Look at the way George Lopez handled it as opposed to Rogan
>and Ari. Louis C.K. doesn't bitch and moan this much and the
>guy who took his material is ten times bigger than Mencia.
That's the way those guys chose to deal with it. They're both huge and probably felt, "Fuck it. It's not hurting me." Rogan is huge too and he obviously felt, "Fuck it. This is wrong and I'm gonna say something about it." Neither of them is going about it the wrong way.
>Ari might be fighting the right fight but he's doing it in the
Bullshit. If someone STEALS FROM YOU, I don't see anything wrong with calling them out on it as many times as you want to.
>I feel for people who have their material stolen and won't
>support Mencia or watch any of his shit but, honestly, I'm
>sick of Rogan and Ari's crusade against him. If Mencia pulls
>something new, then call him out again but continally bitching
>about old shit (especially the weak joke of Ari's) is tired.
Just because you're sick of hearing about it, doesn't make it any less valid. I hope they keep pounding this douche bag on this issue over and over again. Why? Because he's a fucking joke thief. He's the bad guy. Not them.
269622, They're going to look bad if they go about it that way|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 12:39 AM
It doesn't matter if they are right or not. If we learned anything from John Kerry's loss to George Bush, it's that. If you fight the fight the wrong way, you'll end up looking worse for it. You bring up Cheney's daughter once too often and his hypocrisy becomes your picking on his daughter.
Ari and Rogan are fucking up. You can't argue against that. Rogan lost his main club and his representation over the shit. He came at it in a bullshit way and came out the loser even though everyone agreed with him. Honestly, if they are going to go about it this way then they should just man up and give Mencia a beating. It's about as effective of a plan.
This is an issue which most people don't care about and that Rogan and Ari are handling so that people won't want to hear about it anymore. And I'm going to bash those two just as much as I bash Kerry. If you are on my side of a fight and you fuck it up so bad that it makes it harder for others to stand up and be heard, then you need to put in check. I want to hear from those two clowns about as much as I'd want Kerry to take another crack at the white house.
269629, Not to me or a lot of other people.|
Posted by bignick, Tue Apr-03-07 02:07 AM
>It doesn't matter if they are right or not.
Sorry, but I don't think like that.
>If we learned
>anything from John Kerry's loss to George Bush, it's that. If
>you fight the fight the wrong way, you'll end up looking worse
>for it. You bring up Cheney's daughter once too often and his
>hypocrisy becomes your picking on his daughter.
Wrong. What we learned fro Kerry's loss to Bush is that America is a nation of idiots who can be tricked into forgetting about a horrible economy, a huge national security lapse and a piece of shit president if you threaten them with gay marriage.
>Ari and Rogan are fucking up. You can't argue against that.
>Rogan lost his main club and his representation over the shit.
And Rogan has lost exactly zero dollars because of it. When you are a big named national headliner, your booking agent isn't hustling up gigs for you. Rogan can still go to any A list club in America and do a door deal for the weekend. Let's look at how big of a hit Rogan's career has taken because of this whole thing:
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You were saying?
>This is an issue which most people don't care about and that
>Rogan and Ari are handling so that people won't want to hear
>about it anymore.
Again, so what if most people don't care about it? The bottom line is they're right, and it's not hurting either of their careers one iota.
>And I'm going to bash those two just as
>much as I bash Kerry.
And you're still wrong. Kerry didn't fuck up anything. The American people fucked up. And Rogan didn't fuck up anything. He pointed something out and tons of Mencia fans are too stupid to admit he's right. And apparently, some people don't like hearing the truth.
269631, We'll have to disagree|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 02:17 AM
Blaming the US people for John Kerry fucking up his campaign is ridiculous. The US is mostly idiots. True. But Kerry thought the best way to win idiots is to stand for nothing and to waffle and hopefully not piss anyone off. It was a joke. One of the worst run campaigns since Dukakis (except Dukakis had no chance of beating Reagan. Still, putting him in the tank for a photo op was awful)
You can support your guys but I think they've gone about it all wrong. I've officially wasted too much time on Carlos, Joe, and Ari. I should have been working on my own shit rather than wasting time on those two idiots and Rogan.
269634, I'm not blaming people for fucking up Kerry's campaign.|
Posted by bignick, Tue Apr-03-07 02:20 AM
I'm blaming them for voting for a guy who spent 4 years proving that he's a moron and an awful President.
269636, A halfway decent campaign and he wins|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 02:26 AM
He didn't deliver that, didn't take a stand on anything, and he lost. Much like Ari and Rogan.
Okay, now I'm officially done wasting time on this.
269710, A halfway educated populace and he wins.|
Posted by bignick, Tue Apr-03-07 11:20 AM
269719, Spoken like a true disgruntled comic|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 11:50 AM
To quote Shadow Henderson, "That's right, the people don't come because you grandiose motherfuckers don't play shit that they like. If you played the shit that they like, then people would come, simple as that. "
269758, You just comopared me to Bleek. Thanks.|
Posted by bignick, Tue Apr-03-07 01:36 PM
The fact remains that the idiotic, uneducated American people have no one to blame but themselves for the mess that we are in now.
269756, 3 words...Swift Boat Ads|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Tue Apr-03-07 01:23 PM
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 02:10 PM
The democrats had a decorated war hero and couldn't figure out a way to beat one of the worst presidents in our history. I'm sorry but I just can't put all the blame on the people. Hell, I didn't even want to vote for Kerry. I was just voting against George W.
269660, Also, according to his own site...|
Posted by God Loves Ugly, Tue Apr-03-07 07:42 AM
He signed with the William Morris agency directly after getting dropped from Gersh. And I thought it was interesting that he said a lot of comics left Gersh after this, including Louis CK.
269707, Rogan is huge.|
Posted by PolarbearToenails, Tue Apr-03-07 11:17 AM
Ari Shaffir will get exposed to lots of people he wouldn't otherwise get exposed to.
Rogan is already nearly as big as Mencia as a standup and bigger than him as a guy. Rogan has had two network TV series. And he's actually funny. So he's doing OK.
Listen: Rogan has always HATED joke thieves. He's going to be on my show, so I've been reading interviews with him where he talks about originality in comedy and not being a thief from years ago. He just has principles.
269720, So part of Ari's reason for it is exposure?|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 11:56 AM
I have no problem with Rogan as a comic. I just think he's handling this in the wrong way.
And personally, I hope Ari fails. I've been meaning to write something about this on my site but I think he's pretty much everything that's wrong with edgy comedy nowadays. I'll throw it in my sig when I finally write it but I think the shock racist comedy is one notch below stealing material in terms of laziness.
269761, I'm no Ari Shaffir defender.|
Posted by PolarbearToenails, Tue Apr-03-07 01:45 PM
I think both Shaffir and Rogan want exposure, but I get the impression they're sincere about it as well.
269776, I don't doubt that|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 02:22 PM
I just think they are going about it all wrong.
I'm not sure why this is such a controversial statement.
269881, aside from the mencia thing...rogan is a mediocre talent, since always|
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Apr-03-07 07:40 PM
i don't like him, ari or "ned"...they all wack.
but mencia is working harder...period.
269952, yes, people who steal work harder than those who work to create|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Tue Apr-03-07 11:34 PM
basa on point
269959, right...hollywood is just giving a stealing latino comic everything|
Posted by Basaglia, Wed Apr-04-07 12:07 AM
mencia has it made.
he's half-stepped his way to greater fame and fortune than ari and joe.
269755, Its Like Shawn Merriman making the pro bowl over someone else|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Tue Apr-03-07 01:21 PM
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 12:04 AM
delete this one
269962, I think some good analogies are|
Posted by Call It Anything, Wed Apr-04-07 12:19 AM
Sudden Death: Where Darren McCord, played by Jean-Claude Van Damme, slips in unnoticed at goalie and helps out the Pittsburgh Penguins in the Stanley Cup.
Naked Gun: Where Frank Drebin pretends to be Enrico Pallazzo and saves Queen Elizabeth.
269594, Stealing someone's creative work and getting big off it ain't cool|
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Apr-02-07 11:04 PM
No matter how you slice it
269608, Yeah, Mencia really got big off of Ari's joke|
Posted by SoulHonky, Mon Apr-02-07 11:59 PM
I know Mencia steals. I get it. I got it the first time Rogan brought it up. But Ari's joke was generic and the fact that they are obsessing about this is getting to be pathetic.
The way Rogan and Ari are going about this makes them look pathetic IMO. Mencia made it in a fucked up way. Great. Tell your friends to boycott him. Get other performers to refuse to work with him. But this public whining makes them look bad as much as it does Mencia IMO.
269624, RE: Yeah, Mencia really got big off of Ari's joke|
Posted by God Loves Ugly, Tue Apr-03-07 12:49 AM
>Tell your friends to boycott him. Get other performers to
>refuse to work with him. But this public whining makes them
>look bad as much as it does Mencia IMO.
But isn't that exactly what the public "whining" is doing? It is getting people to boycott him and refuse to work with him. It is informing the average person and comedy fans alike. What better way to spread your message than using outlets such as Youtube, blogs, radio shows, etc?
269626, Posting random youtube clips is an 8th graders way of fighting|
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue Apr-03-07 01:10 AM
If you want to try to cut Mencia down, you start with an organized, united front. Don't throw random shit out here and there, pulling from Lopez's Stern intervew (rather than getting George himself to speak out along with them), and acting like "we found Carlos stealing again!" and then showing a clip that's like two years old. People get that he steals and most average people are probably already over it. It's too late to put together a comprehensive piece IMO. They should have put it together in the beginning so that it had more of an effect.
Once the first blow up occurred, put together a comprehensive list of everything to show Mencia's true colors. That will get people's attention. Now Ari seems to be doing it because none of their other antics have had much effect. Personally, I think they are making themselves look bad and taking the focus off Mencia (although I think Ari's routine on his own does a pretty good job of making himself look like a jackass).
I'm not defending Mencia but I simply don't agree with the juvenile way that Rogan and Ari have handled this.
269883, nobody got big off that wack ass joke|
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Apr-03-07 07:48 PM
if the joke was so damn great, ari would be doing beer commercials, cast in ben stiller movies and have his own show.
this is the problem i have with rogaine and his crew. they tryna use this shit to discredit everything about the guy and bring themselves up.
the thing they didn't count on is that no one gives a shit about them and they have no charisma.
269936, What comic got big off of one joke?|
Posted by magilla vanilla, Tue Apr-03-07 11:05 PM
some dudes have "signature" bits, comics get big from being able to do a full set.
The reason that comics get so pissed about this is that every show they're trying out one, two maybe even a whole set of new bits to work with, then going back and building on what worked and either shitcanning or rehabilitating what didn't. A guy that gets big while filling in gaps in his act with other people's stuff is a big fucking deal to people who are legitimately "grinding" as you say Mencia is. When he's getting big, he isn't getting his. He's getting theirs.
It's the same reason blues musicians got pissed at Led Zeppelin, the Stones, or Elvis when they first came out.
269576, ^^Rides for Ned and Isiah...Not sure which is more laughable|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Mon Apr-02-07 09:32 PM
Its probably the white media thats created this whole "carlos steals material" shit too
Bill Simmons is behind this, I swear
269581, I don't think anyone is siding with Ned here|
Posted by buckshot defunct, Mon Apr-02-07 09:42 PM
It's just that some of us are getting kind of tired of the hooplah already.
Mencia's not funny, he steals, and he's hugely successful. If stand-ups feel wronged in some way, there are proper channels to go through, and I'm pretty sure Youtube isn't one of them.
You think Bill Cosby gives a shit?
269582, Nah, basa rides for him in every related post|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Mon Apr-02-07 09:45 PM
269583, basa rides wherever the short bus takes him, pay it no mind|
Posted by buckshot defunct, Mon Apr-02-07 09:47 PM
269595, ^^^^^^ LOL that was funny|
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Apr-02-07 11:05 PM
Now Mencia gonna steal it and incorporate that retard noise he does.
269605, ^^^Gets it.^^^|
Posted by bignick, Mon Apr-02-07 11:46 PM
269879, 2.5 years in....and i'm still being minded|
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Apr-03-07 07:38 PM
269876, i ride for people grindin and gettin theirs....you ride for whiners|
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Apr-03-07 07:30 PM
and fuckups who get passes
269934, the text of your message sums up Mencia|
Posted by magilla vanilla, Tue Apr-03-07 10:57 PM
>and fuckups who get passes
269870, question - esp for bignick|
Posted by MicheleQJ, Tue Apr-03-07 07:04 PM
not trying to defend anyone - but from the clips ive seen - arent most if not all of these jokes in question super generic premises that anyone could have thought of? people can have the same good idea on their own.....
that border fence joke that was supposedly stolen? im sure a gazillion people have said that line in routines and around water coolers. the cosby one? cosby is a great comic, but i dunno if i can't see someone coming up with that particular joke either
269884, LENO did that fence joke shit and black comic have done cos joke|
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Apr-03-07 07:50 PM
269982, Where there's smoke, there's fire.|
Posted by bignick, Wed Apr-04-07 03:02 AM
It's not just the fence joke. George Lopez got physical with the guy because he felt that insulted by the depths of his thievery.
And yes, people have similar premises all the time. But if multiple people are calling you a thief and instead of denying it, you spend time calling them jealous...you're probably not just coming up with the exact same joke as all these other people.
And even if he didn't steal that Cosby joke, he's still kind of a slacker for not being familiar enough with "Himself" to realize that it's already been done.
269878, maybe mencia's "mocking" people like i get "mocked" on OKP|
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Apr-03-07 07:33 PM
269954, you dont get mocked, you get straight up laughed at|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Tue Apr-03-07 11:36 PM
269961, why bother typing what you don't believe|
Posted by Basaglia, Wed Apr-04-07 12:09 AM
on one hand, guys like you get upset that i have a "following"...and on the other, you purloin my steez for the sake of mocking, even when not responding to me.
i don't get it.
but, it's for you to rationalize not me. i ignore people i don't fuck wit on these boards.
270087, stick to claiming racism in places it doesnt exist over in OKsports|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Wed Apr-04-07 12:40 PM
270089, they used to tell me to stick to The Lesson...so...|
Posted by Basaglia, Wed Apr-04-07 12:56 PM
270094, hmm...and you still.....dont...get it huh|
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Wed Apr-04-07 01:07 PM
270095, no, i get it...do you get it?|
Posted by Basaglia, Wed Apr-04-07 01:13 PM
it goes something like this.
you don't like me.
i don't care.
other people like me.
i still don't care.