this is one of the best movies i have seen in a really long time.
this is one of those pictures everyone should watch.
whoa.

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i thought this would be popular among ppl around here

First time I've heard your take on it. That's make five of us now.

usually aren't popular.

Swing and a miss

that the music is godawful.

Literally everyone I know who DID like the movie agreed with my constant mockery of the terrible, terrible music.

The music was asstacular. But overall I still put this one in the "W" column. Potato/Po-tah-to

however the general consensus among the board posters was that it sucked, there's a post about it in the archives......



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I'm a believer, even though I've never seen
I'm a believer, look at my life and you will see
I'm a believer, how can you not believe?
- Mary Mary

i would not of guessed this.
i would of thought it was a popular choice around here.

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LOL! True!

with brendan fraser, sandra bullock, don cheadle, ludacris, ryan phillipe, matt dillon, etc.
the review in the archives was about another movie i had never seen.

It's basically a poor man's She Hate Me in terms of love/hate on this board. I haven't seen it yet but it's gotta be better than that other "Crash" by Cronenberg.

and that's infinitley more awesome than anything with Sandra Bullock in it.

>and that's infinitley more awesome than anything with Sandra
>Bullock in it.

Or Bredan Fraser. But @ least there was a Jennifer Esposito titty shot.

I enjoyed it. I watched it for the first time yesterday. I feel ya!

nuff said . . .

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LONG LIVE GONZAGA!

Too bad they don't have a whole team around him.

Fuck yeah. Morrison's gonna be top drawer. And he will have support. Pierre Altidor-Cespedes, Nate Doudney, Calum MacLeod, Derek Raivio and Ronny Turiaf are all solid players. This isn't gonna be an explosive year by any means, but I do expect some success. Whatever the outcome, I'll always have my darkhorse squad, Niagara, who are basically the E Street Band of the NCAA.

Strong as fuck on the glass and will at least be a late first round pick. He's solid, not spectacular. Exactly the kind of reb man I like.

HE GONE

When, last year? I thought he opted out of the draft and returned to Gonz. Who'd he go to?

in time for his rookie season.

http://www.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stories/072305aab.html

In other news, my Raps signed Robert Pack. Woe is Hogtown.

Whoa.....that's awesome

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warms my heart

fuck that movie

I musta said...

"my god you can't be serious"

20 times during this movie.

It was just corny.

Don it proudly.

i usually understand most of the hate on the boards. i may not agree with it, but i understand it.
i just dont understand the hate on this movie. it was a commentary on the horrid race relations in america, and i felt it was pulled off well.
interesting discussion though...

http://imdb.com/title/tt0076263/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0064855/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0091959/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0053270/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0378552/

These movies have points. Crash just says "America is racist." Which we all know.

This movie is only really shocking to those who say afterwards "Who would've thought that there were such racial problems in America today?"

You can't just make an all-encompassing "race is B-A-D" movie, especially with such underdeveloped characters. It doesn't work the same way something more intimate, something with better characters and dialogue does.

Although I do owe it gratitude for Jennifer Esposito titty. I learned more in that one scene about celebrity titties than I did the whole film about racism.

But perhaps I was looking too hard...

>These movies have points. Crash just says "America is
>racist." Which we all know.

I dunno man. The thing I picked up on was that America is scared and frustrated, and it manifests itself as racism among other things. It seemed to treat racism as a symptom, but not *the* problem. Which I thought was an interesting take, especially for a wide release, easy to digest film such as Crash. I don't know that the message here is necessarily accurate, or whether or not I'd even agree with it. But it was food for thought.

And while there were a few flat performances, I thought for the most part the characters had plenty of depth. Now, the movie was pretty overt in displaying said "depth," which sort of cheapens things... but like I've said before, with a title like "Crash," you shouldn't really be expecting subtlety.

>This movie is only really shocking to those who say afterwards
>"Who would've thought that there were such racial problems in
>America today?"

I don't think the movie was meant to be "shocking" in any way. I mean, I liked the sentiment, I like how it got its message across, but never once while watching Crash did I think "shocking" or "controversial" If you were looking for this movie to turn the race issue on its ear, then I think you'd walk out of the theater incredibly disappointed. As far as social impact goes, Crash probably rates a notch or two below 'Did You Hear What Happened to Andrea?'

>Although I do owe it gratitude for Jennifer Esposito titty. I
>learned more in that one scene about celebrity titties than I
>did the whole film about racism.

I think that the main point of Crash is that titty trancends all racial boundaries.

ill have to check them out and compare.

I'm a believer, tellin' you I really believe
I'm a believer, even though I've never seen
I'm a believer, look at my life and you will see
I'm a believer, how can you not believe?
- Mary Mary

http://imdb.com/title/tt0100791/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0109906/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0254954/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0234407/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0212772/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0119763/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0296707/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0124866/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0212826/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0301199/

I mean a real theater, not one where only film snobs go. The only one I've seen is The Glass Shield, and it wasn't a very good movie.....



I'm a believer, tellin' you I really believe
I'm a believer, even though I've never seen
I'm a believer, look at my life and you will see
I'm a believer, how can you not believe?
- Mary Mary

And if I answer with a no, what, you're gonna make some weak argument about how these films lose points because they didn't show at the Magic Johnson and thus didn't reach a mass audience? Because that's a budget issue and celebrity issue and nothing but.

good movie.

though it takes place in London so i'm not sure it counts if we're talking about race relations in america (not to say the content isn't relevant here but if folks wanna get technical...)

Then I Googled and discovered that the film was recently restored and will likely be available on DVD by year's end

>i usually understand most of the hate on the boards. i may
>not agree with it, but i understand it.
>i just dont understand the hate on this movie. it was a
>commentary on the horrid race relations in america, and i felt
>it was pulled off well.
>interesting discussion though...

It wasn't real life at all.

The acting was very hit and miss. From Terrance Howard doing real good at finding emotional depth in his character, to Sandra Bullock doing her best soap opera actress impression.

The plot, was hokey, as far as how everybody was linked, but I can't call it a flaw because thats part of the premise of the movie.

However, the script...ugh. Before each each racist act the characters had to explain, in detail, why they were doing it. Your never going to hear an old lady why she clutched her purse in an elevator, why those hoods targeted the white chick in high heels, and why the cop pulled over the car and roughhoused the driver..but in crash you would. It just seemed forced, and imho speaks down to the audience like they wouldn't get it.

>The plot, was hokey, as far as how everybody was linked, but I
>can't call it a flaw because thats part of the premise of the
>movie.

the coincidences/links were just as forced and unlikely as everything else in the movie. not even Magnolia's coincidences were this ridiculous, and that's a movie that (aside from raining frogs) established from the opening scene that the scenarios we were about to see are highly unlikely but do occur. I probably shouldn't put so much on it, but for a movie that's supposed to be so grounded in reality, I can only suspend disbelief so much.

>However, the script...ugh. Before each each racist act the
>characters had to explain, in detail, why they were doing it.
>Your never going to hear an old lady why she clutched her
>purse in an elevator, why those hoods targeted the white chick
>in high heels, and why the cop pulled over the car and
>roughhoused the driver..but in crash you would. It just
>seemed forced, and imho speaks down to the audience like they
>wouldn't get it.

exactly. everyone felt compelled to give a speech on their racial views and motivations.

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that you just should be banned for posting about
crash is one. donnie darko another

this movie gets so much hate, yet like one or two people have mentioned, there is hardly any justification FOR that hate

oh it had bad music. yeah its a crap movie cos of that

with those two movies and a few more, the people who don't like them seem to turn into 4 year olds as soon as they are mentioned

its ridiculous

imo it wasn't the greatest movie i've ever seen but it wasn't horrible. it was ok and i'd watch it again if it was there to be viewed.

i, like a few others can't get my head around the logic of some of the hate

There have been a boatload of apt justifications for the not liking the thing, just as there have been a boatload of apt justifications for admiring the thing.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=55206

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=56977

Some of the JUSTIFICATIONS, personal or otherwise, mentioned in the above threads -

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"If a movie attempts to touch upon such a pervasive and mammoth issue as racism, it better be near flawless, as hack direction, hack writing, hack music and hack casting generally tends to usurp everything else.

I hated this movie because I thought it was kowtowing to our most basic thoughts on racism. Everything about this movie was neon, incandescent even. There wasn't one moment where I felt like I wasn't being batted upside the head with the same rote ideologies I've been hearing all my life.

I think this movie is a bag of horseshit. There is no correlation between my contempt for this movie and some hidden inability to confront the issues at hand. I well up everytime I see Killer of Sheep. I laugh hysterically everytime I see Putney Swope. I'm touched everytime I see Sitting in Limbo. Crash is an empty shell masquerading as a profound chunk of open dialogue. There is most definitely a difference."

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"I wanted to like it but after the 10th absurd coincidence, it got to be too much. then the music got to be too much. then I grew tired of every single scene attempting to be an epic message on race relations. I kept waiting for Keenan to pop up ("MESSAGE!") everyone keeps comparing it to Short Cuts (structure-wise). but at least the coincidences in Short Cuts were feasible. these were just..."

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"If you need a glorified after-school special to *force* you to think about racism, you're probably beyond repair.

I really don't like this stance that if you hated Crash you're most likely a cold, empty vessel. I am a very emotional participant of the cinema. That said, Crash did nothing for me. The only emotion it raised was sheer anger that it has attracted a phalanx of doe-eyed supporters."

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"Coincidences never really bother me in movies.

Why do characters always have to learn lessons? I think that's the thing that made me so fucking mad, was the way the filmmaker tried to show all of the lessons learned.

Especially the way that the Persian man learned his lesson. The catalyst scene to him learning that he's wrong is such a cheap awful horrible disgusting thing to do in a film. It's like the old horror device where the creature attacks...and then the character wakes up with a gasp in a cold sweat.

That and the music is fucking awful."

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"I didn't feel cheap because I was manipulated. I did however think that the way in which they tried to manipulate the audience was a cheap method. If you can get real emotion out of the audience, cool. And I've seen the most blatant of tearjerkers and had ZERO problem with them (Old Yeller will STILL put a grown man into a tissue box). But the 3 minutes of slow motion mourning of the shot child just to have the child not be shot made me fucking angry. If they'd had an initial reaction, cool. If they'd had one or two shots of slo-mo, cool. But I thought they had already planned the fucking funeral by the time the film went back to speed. They dwelled on it so long, just to have a "peek-a-boo! fooled you!" twist to the shot girl that I thought "What the fuck?!? How can you get away with that?"

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"I learned that Sandra Bullock and Brendan Fraser are two of the worst actors in the history of cinema, that Paul Haggis fancies himself a pretty transcendental yarn-spinner, that the score was something straight off of a Body Shop compilation CD, that everybody hurts, that rappers shouldn't act, that Jennifer Esposito is the poor man's Pia Zadora, that Tony Danza (if used properly) is a wonderfully talented motherfucker, oh yeah, and that there are no Asian or Aboriginal people in Haggis' altruistic mosaic."

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"We do. We most definitely do. And I know I'm being incredibly broad and confrontational and immature with this post, but I'm really, really shocked that so many people have warmed to this pablum. I can't recall a more recent trip to the theatre that has left such an awful taste in my mouth.

I found Haggis's method of racial, ethical and personal quantification to be quite insulting. You can't put such dire issues into capsule by using old-hat script mechanisms and fairytale coincidences. The fact that almost every character had to redeem him/herself was grating enough. Every square inch of this film was condescending and limp and I think it cuts to the heart of the very same lot of people who refuse to disagree with anything that promotes ye ol' utopian softshoe.

That said, I honestly believe that anyone who enjoyed this movie was wearing Zircon-encrusted blinders for at least two hours of their life."

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"There was nothing complex about the film. Exsistential? It was a rote paint-by-numbers. I agree with you that the film WASN'T about redemption. But that's not what many people have been saying and it certainly goes against the intentions put forth by Haggis.

The cardboard characters, the way too sharp dialogue, the overt symbolism, the Sierra Club soundtrack bellowing from on high, the snow...EVERYTHING about this spells highschool journal keeper. A soft-centered tone poem about an all too real facet of daily life should not be attracting so much praise."

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"That's a dangerous way of thinking. If it's not sinewy and muscular and scored deep with conviction and love and hate, a film about something so pervasive and involving should not have been made in the first place.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, I think a prime example of mainstream media successfully tackling the issue of race was the Pryor/Chase SNL skit, or, alternately, something like All in the Family. Until the mainstream sees fit to finance a picture as biting and resounding as Killer of Sheep or Putney Swope, I think comedy is the only useful vessel for an exploration of such."

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"First, I'm not a huge Denby fan. Anthony Lane, as frothy as he can be, is far superior. Something about Denby gets under my skin.

I didn't appreciate this review. In fact, I'm wont to disregard the entire article after reading the very first paragraph:

"If there’s an ill-tempered remark that has ever been uttered in the city of Los Angeles that hasn’t found its way into Paul Haggis’s “Crash,” I can’t imagine what it is. “

If he can't imagine another ill-tempered remark that has ever been uttered in the city of Los Angeles that hasn't found its way into Crash, well, then, he probably has no concept of racism, pedestrian or otherwise. What a foolish thing to say.

"Crash (opening May 6th) is about the rage and foolishness produced by intolerance, the mutual abrasions of white, black, Latino, Middle Eastern, and Asian citizens in an urban pot in which nothing melts. "

Eh? Asian? Please. Talk about a shrift. The only time any Asians appeared in this film were as goofy marble-mouthed comic foils. Any critic who makes a point of stating that Asians were involved in this story's mosaic is an idiot. Any critic who fails to pounce on this strange omission is missing out.

"I think it’s easily the strongest American film since Clint Eastwood’s Mystic River"

I have a hard time taking anything from here on in seriously. Crash and Mystic River are the two most recent great American films? Wow. Denby's asleep at the wheel."

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"Nice summary. Well said. But I still agree with every line Onstad wrote.

Bullock's character was a joke. When she told the maid that she had earlier treated like a sack of dirt that she was her best friend, I almost lost it. My finacé and I exchanged looks, mere inches away from laughing like a pair of hysterical Tom Cruises doing whip-its in a Coney Island funhouse. Compare Bullock and the hispanic maid in Crash to that smarmy manchild and the hispanic maid in Solondz' Storytelling and you have a canyon of difference.

I can't believe I haven't yet mentioned the angelic kevlar girl surviving a hollowpoint to the face. Pretty stirring stuff. Really makes you think."

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"The acclaim around this movie says more about America's inability to deal with race, than the actual film does. Anything that makes white folks feel justified in being racist assholes gets rave reviews. Cuz, see, "everybody's racist!"

And if you don't agree with that, fine...but this has got to be one of the cheesiest, corniest, non-ron howard affiliated movies i've seen. I'm really surprised that Wilford Brimley didn't turn up somewhere in this. Like i said somewhere else "Deus Ex Machina - The Movie".

Maybe I'm bitter, or cynical. But this movie soft-handed racism in such a way that it seems like really a waste of time and money.

Boo-muthafuckin-hiss this movie"

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How are those not personal justifications for not liking Crash?

And, if I remember correctly, 95% of these boards lit up at the very sight of criticism landing on this movie. There were maybe five or six people in total that vocalized their problems with Crash. The rest of the boards were, if not fawning, accepting of its supposed merits. You're confused if you think the hate was suffocating.

And what are you talking about, you though it was 'okay'? You gave it a 9/10 upon seeing it AND you didn't even have a problem with the music!

Bravo to you.

i must of been watching a different movie...
hmmm... oh well.

but not award worthy and not something I need to see again


most here hate scarface so shouldn't be surprised at the hate this gets