>I don't think of Miller's Crossing as a 'mob film' in the
>genre sense for whatever reason. State of Grace stands out to
>me as more of a true 'mob' movie and the acting from Harris,
>Penn, and Oldman is tremendous.

I agree, I was just surprised Manhood the mick hadn't even heard of it so I said it like that.

but yeah I love State of Grace too. and yeah the performances by those 3 in it are fantastic.