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3036297, Dilla Time: The Life and Afterlife of J Dilla, the Hip-Hop Producer Who Reinvented Rhythm
Posted by chincheckin, Thu Jan-13-22 12:17 PM
Comes out February 1.....A MUST HAVE!

https://www.amazon.com/Dilla-Time-Afterlife-Producer-Reinvented/dp/0374139946/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1VC22KPDPQ4LH&keywords=dilla+time&qid=1642094171&sprefix=dilla+%2Caps%2C216&sr=8-1
3036298, anxiously waiting for my pre-order.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Thu Jan-13-22 03:30 PM
3036299, ooh, nice
Posted by Options, Thu Jan-13-22 06:54 PM
I never read the Donuts 33 1/3 book, but we're definitely due for more Dilla-related tomes. bring 'em on!
3036332, copped! Thanks for the heads up!
Posted by DJR, Sun Jan-16-22 07:28 PM
3036334, A must-read
Posted by seandammit, Mon Jan-17-22 02:17 AM
Compelling, revelatory, the story of the man/the producer/the real impact that he made on music as we know it. I can’t say enough good things about it. Everyone must read this book.
3036371, Anyone know if Donuts are Forever/Dilla Day events are happening
Posted by bentagain, Wed Jan-19-22 09:50 AM
this year?

3036551, Apparently, there’s a fake paperback version with the same name and cover.
Posted by JFrost1117, Thu Feb-03-22 09:24 PM
Some small pamphlet type thing by a completely different author.
3036552, Charles Hamilton still at it?
Posted by DJR, Thu Feb-03-22 09:38 PM
3036554, WTF? You Sure That's Not Some Amazon Printed Bootleg?
Posted by Dj Joey Joe, Thu Feb-03-22 10:01 PM
I wouldn't be surprised, I've heard of amazon taking older books that's out of print, finding a copy, and basically copying, pressing up their own copies.


3036619, Read the review.
Posted by JFrost1117, Sun Feb-06-22 03:11 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Dilla-Afterlife-Hip-Hop-Producer-Reinvented/dp/B09RJJ3H8W/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=dilla+time&qid=1644135062&sr=8-7

If you search, there's also another version by someone else that's not Charnas.
3036607, Dilla & T3 are dissing each other on t
Posted by High Society, Sat Feb-05-22 01:27 PM
Keep It On
3036614, Did Dilla's ol man ghostwrite "It's A Shame"?
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Sat Feb-05-22 11:23 PM
I'm just starting Dilla Time, but I love this type of stuff.
Charnas never confirms but it's a great "what if".
3036627, The footnote from different source accounts...
Posted by The3rdOne, Mon Feb-07-22 11:18 AM
...are a dope addition to this book. Its really inconclusive to me. Interesting how a later chapter parallels this situation to Dilla's "Got Till ITs Gone" with Jimmy Jam ad Terry Lewis debacle as I first thought when they talked about Its A Shame.
3036616, It’s an informative book, BUT…
Posted by supablak, Sun Feb-06-22 02:33 AM
I be FALLING ASLEEP to ALL the “These Are African Rhythms Printed Swing Tutorials”, sheesh..
Not a skimmer, but, man…every time the book turns to these diagrams, it’s like listening to someone trying to explain a “Holy Ghost”, to a cat

But it’s a wild read nonetheless, as a Detroiter…not sure about some of the accuracy of Dan Charnas timelines. But I applaud him for adding splashes of the city’s development, in context to Jay Dee’s contextual development.

s.blak
Y’all Ain’t Ready
3036631, Got the audiobook for this exact reason
Posted by grey, Mon Feb-07-22 03:22 PM
Just started but I imagine reading the type of musical stuff is a lil tougher to digest for non-musician folk (me).
3036624, a call from Raphael Saadiq....
Posted by The3rdOne, Mon Feb-07-22 11:13 AM
Saadiq: Your Without You remix needs more work....its too sparse.
DIlla : Suck my dick! (Then hangs up the phone)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
3036696, Wasn't Jay & Raphael Both Apart Of UMMAH?
Posted by Dj Joey Joe, Fri Feb-11-22 09:50 PM
>Saadiq: Your Without You remix needs more work....
>its too sparse.
>DIlla : Suck my dick! (Then hangs up the phone)
>😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Wow, might have been an inside joke or on some serious resentment how the UMMAH group situation dissolved; either way I still liked Dwele's (the one that featured Phat Kat) remixed version compared to Jay's even though I think Dilla was going for that stripped down vibe on a few of his remixes at the time (such as the Macy Grey "I Try", Spacek "Eve", & the Toshi Kubota "Nothing But Your Love", etc.).


3036709, RE: Wasn't Jay & Raphael Both Apart Of UMMAH?
Posted by The3rdOne, Sat Feb-12-22 09:32 PM
Saadiq was loosely affiliated with the UMMAH...but not on the same business contract as DIlla, Tip, and Ali. Reading Dilla Time and comprehending the context, Dilla did NOT like to be pushed or rushed no matter who it was. He snapped on cats he worked with seemingly random, but he definitely had a method to his madness. It was conveyed that he actually got pissed at Saadiq as opposed to having a very different and humbling approach to the dude in charge of the Blue Note Remix project (I forget his name). THey wanted Dilla to do his Brother Jack McDuff version of Oblighetto over. They anticipated Dilla blowing up, but he actually took the criticism like a champ and then blew the remake out of the water.
3036735, Yeah way I read it was
Posted by High Society, Tue Feb-15-22 08:56 PM
Dilla was worried about messing with the original too much and Blue Note peeps told him, MORE DILLA. He said alright, and gave them a classic.
3036752, Finished this over the weekend and I thought it was great
Posted by DaKidFromHaiti, Thu Feb-17-22 08:03 PM
I never read The Big Payback but I think I’ll check it out on the strength of this book alone. Highly recommended.
3036898, Can We Address The Donuts Myth
Posted by jaymack, Fri Feb-25-22 08:46 PM
So my understanding after reading this is that he actually laid out those Donuts chops and cuts on a DAW. Not a Boss SP-303 or even a 404, which seemed to be the interweb urban myth lore. Interesting.
3038105, Would love a follow up on this.
Posted by Nodima, Tue May-24-22 05:10 AM
I should just buy the book, of course, but...

In the meantime...



~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
3037654, About 50% through...thoughts.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Wed Apr-27-22 11:07 AM
I'll try to leave out spoilers?
I don't know.

So many thoughts:

- This is a must have book for any fan of Jay Dee or the Soulquarian era. Like most of the Soulquarian stuff I knew, but it helped to give context to how they saw Jay. Like I walked out of this even more convinced Jay Dee WAS the 2nd wave of Neo Soul. Dan's research and interviews in this book proves it.

- Had no idea some of the albums Jay Dee could have worked on, but passed.
Reading about his journey, it's like do you want to water down your art and get bigger,
or stay pure to your art but stay small?

- So much of his art is about him doing it HIS way (again, to the point above). I see a lot of myself in him in that I want the freedom to make whatever I want to make, but when your art becomes a business like this, you have to make sacrifices. I kept reading this thinking, "Dude, if you had done production on X album, the power you'd have later would have given you even more freedom."

- Kinda odd reading about his personal life. He comes off as moody and a jerk at times. If this is the detail they're going into on this, I know it's gonna be rough once I get to the part where he passes.

- Welcome Back 2 Detroit (smh)

- I have never heard this Frank & Dank album that Jay Dee produced.

- Jay Dee's wanting to be his own man (not under the Ummah, not under Soulquarians)...I get it. Again, I'm going through the same thing. But Jay Dee didn't have the structure (manager, etc) to help guide that other aspect of his career. Actually let me take that back. The ONLY structure he had was making music. Part of me wants to say "Oh, he would have gone so much further had he...", but maybe that's not what he wanted. Maybe that's me as a fan wishing more people would discover his genius. Honestly, maybe if he had ever reached those things, I would have abandoned him (he's not underground anymore...etc.).

- EDIT...oh, I still don't believe the Got 'Til' It's Gone story. Even after they explained it...ha ha.

3037672, RE: About 50% through...thoughts.
Posted by The3rdOne, Thu Apr-28-22 10:57 AM
>- Kinda odd reading about his personal life. He comes off as
>moody and a jerk at times. If this is the detail they're
>going into on this, I know it's gonna be rough once I get to
>the part where he passes.
>

The footnotes describing the banter between Ma Dukes and Joy started to get cringeworthy and downright physically exhausting to listen to (I have the audiobook). The crazy thing is that I had a chance to chop it up with Ma Dukes a few months ago as she came to town. She told me that it gets deeper and there are even more documentary books being made that will delve more into personal shit. And why Househoes is even allowed to walk around without crutches is beyond me. Dave New York was gonna hang him off the balcony if he had a chance.....RIP
3038106, RE: what happened with shoes?
Posted by rmcphedr, Tue May-24-22 06:23 AM
curious about this...

3038107, ^
Posted by Brew, Tue May-24-22 08:53 AM
3038111, He posted some really vile stuff on social media attacking Ma Dukes
Posted by topaz, Tue May-24-22 09:53 AM
Basically accused her of milking Dilla's dialogue without giving much thought to Dilla's artistic vision. That's putting it nicely, his actual words were extremely foul and disrespectful, and he got beat up when he returned to Detroit after a show apparently.
3038112, *catalogue not dialogue
Posted by topaz, Tue May-24-22 08:33 PM
3038115, RE: wow
Posted by rmcphedr, Wed May-25-22 10:35 AM
WHO THE FUCK IS YOU SHOES?
3037716, RE: I have never heard this Frank & Dank album that Jay Dee produced
Posted by topaz, Tue May-03-22 06:28 AM
I think the album is 48 Hours - https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nhWd7TKrCygAECCoUt68UI7OKE9_OfAhQ

What I REALLY want to hear is the original cut of the album with the samples. Anyone got that?
3037735, RE: I have never heard this Frank & Dank album that Jay Dee produced
Posted by QBoogie, Tue May-03-22 03:05 PM
I think it exists and is out there but I recall it turning up way after my personal hype for it dwindled.
3037737, RE: I have never heard this Frank & Dank album that Jay Dee produced
Posted by QBoogie, Tue May-03-22 03:17 PM
I think it exists and is out there but I recall it turning up way after my personal hype for it dwindled.
3038113, RE: album as a whole isn't *amazing*
Posted by rmcphedr, Wed May-25-22 04:04 AM
but this beat is fucking phenomenal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZirWfHChww

3037674, Hardcopy or audio book?
Posted by xangeluvr, Thu Apr-28-22 12:17 PM
Are there things in the hard copy of the book that need to be visualized that I won't get from the audio book? Nowadays most books that I read are audiobooks as I'm driving to work because I don't tend to have the time to sit down with a book in hand anymore.
3037675, can only speak for the hard book
Posted by seandammit, Thu Apr-28-22 12:29 PM
There are some interesting visual diagrams used to illustrate the points about rhythm and the techniques that he employed that are pretty cool.

Another cool feature of the book is the index that lists his entire discography, which is a great/easy reference if you ever want to quickly check what he produced in, say, 2003.
3037690, RE: can only speak for the hard book
Posted by xangeluvr, Fri Apr-29-22 07:41 AM
Hardcopy it is then
3037946, RE: can only speak for the hard book
Posted by JtothaI, Fri May-13-22 03:18 PM
>There are some interesting visual diagrams used to illustrate
>the points about rhythm and the techniques that he employed
>that are pretty cool.
>
>Another cool feature of the book is the index that lists his
>entire discography, which is a great/easy reference if you
>ever want to quickly check what he produced in, say, 2003.

There is also a spotify playlist that is in the order of the songs mentioned in the book, kind of a companion piece to the book and I believe Charnas put it together.
3038098, damn!
Posted by Small Pro, Mon May-23-22 10:58 AM
just realized i never bought the hard cover, just the audiobook. would defiinitely love a list of his productions in order...the last time i had that was on this poster: https://www.musicismysanctuary.com/j-dilla-the-specialist-lithograph-poster
3038093, at about the 3/4 point
Posted by Options, Mon May-23-22 03:43 AM
been taking my sweet time working through this, and I've been really enjoying it. even though "The Life of~" is right there in the subtitle, it's MUCH more expansive than I anticipated. I always figured that at some point several books on Dilla would pop up, but after this, I don't really know what's left for anyone else to cover, haha.

I do feel like the author has used every bit of every interview, tho — I'm not particularly interested in reading about all of Dilla's cousins or the intricacies of his love life. but the highs are so very high, and having the details behind events I'm already familiar with colored in has been great. the analogies and connections made are truly excellent at times; in particular, The Matrix comparison made me put the book down for a moment in awe/appreciation of the skill on display. Charnas killed it.

by the way: anyone else come across the obviously bootleg 12" stamped with the Dilla Time cover image?