Two of the greatest of the last 2 decades. They about to go at it?

http://twitter.com/defsoulja/status/1415996454276116480?s=21

If this goes down.... likely gonna be hard to call ..... buuuuttttt.... I predict Lupe by a hair...

werd.

Idk what this is all about but Royce to me just has one of the illest voices and flows for a battle scenario. Lupe is incredibly talented, but team Royce over here.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

...and Lupe though very talented, never cared for his voice, matter of fact it's the weakest voices out of any respectable mc I can think of...

Mainly because Lupe's disses would prob take 4 years to fully dissect and understand.

>Mainly because Lupe's disses would prob take 4 years to fully
>dissect and understand.

Not that Royce doesn't have deep bars too, of course. But in a battle you need to be able to get those "OH SHIT" moments and I feel like Royce is far better at that type of emceeing than Lupe is, despite the immense talent of both emcees.

I'm taking Royce by a hair.

Royce was hyper verbose

Lupe was very direct and pointed

Either way: I enjoyed this exchange, dope music

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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>Mainly because Lupe's disses would prob take 4 years to fully
>dissect and understand.

AT ALL

Lupe could/would drop 6 diss tracks in one night.

Royce is cool but a little overrated around these parts imo. That said, saying Lupe would get him easy isn't really a diss. Lupe is on another level.

Plus this is basically feeding off of Royce “challenging” RJ Payne a few weeks ago.

They’ll probably “battle” but I doubt it’s anything serious.

Their personalities don't match at all, I guess that's the angle but those 2 having a show don't make sense.....so I'm not surprised it's turning into quasi-beef.

Hopefully we get some actual songs out of this....Lu,Royce,Mickey Factz,Payne have been dancing in a circle for like 3 weeks now, not one song has dropped from anyone.

while Mook, Lux and Guru are just sicing everybody up being all loud and shit

figured they're obviously just playing around or its some promo stuff.

i did watch the royce video speaking on it but im not sure i need to go back and try to figure out how it escalated. i saw part of a video by lupe after where he was talking about the house ep. seemed like he was saying it was all good now.

I saw a video with Royce, Lupe (with his shirt off??) and two other dudes. I couldn't gather any context for their beef.

How and why are they beefing?

Royce da 5'9" - "Silence of the Lambda": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RivMSOhHt8

Lupe Fiasco - "SLR 3 1/2" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px4DsNfxCn4

by a wide margin, imo.

maybe i wasnt paying enough attention but i wouldnt had even thought the royce one was a lupe diss. not really top royce quality.

lupe's got better as it kept going. built up nicely.

i still havent gone back to see how this actually escalated and thus seems like its more marketing than anything but if they keep dropping tracks i might need to go back and see.

two of my favorite rappers the past 10/5 years. im hoping its not actually serious but if it is then definitely hope theyre keeping it on wax. im thinking (hoping?) this is going to end up as build up to a collabo album.

Quick little run down

Royce and Lupe did a IG live after RJ Payne made a statement saying him and Ransom are the two best rappers currently. Royce said rappers gonna have to prove they're the best if they keep saying it. Lupe told Royce he's not the best, he's good, but not the best. Lupe doesn't think any of the rappers saying they're the best are the best. Lupe was saying to prove who's the best they need to go to "End of the Week" and enter the competition to prove who's the best rapper objectively.

That same day Royce, Lupe, Mickey, Ransom, RJ Payne all got on IG Live and had banter back and forth, it was relatively friendly, though got heated at moments.

In subsequent days, there would be random lives between Lupe/Royce/Mickey, sometimes all 3 together, but usually 2 of the 3, kinda amping up a potential Royce and Lupe battle on URL. To the point Beasley (Co-owner), reached out to Mickey several times to set it up, but Lupe really had no interest, while Royce low key wanted to do it. This is when it started getting a little bit more "heated"

Lux and Mook were debating who'd win between Royce and Lupe in a battle, Lux had Lu, Mook had Royce. Lux called Lupe to amp it up. It kinda came to a head when Royce was on IG live with Lux/Mook/Mickey Factz and Guru (Jay's engineer). Guru/Lux and Mook were amping up the Royce and Lupe battle saying it needs to happen ASAP on Smack or RBE or any battle league. Lupe finally joins in on the convo, and basically said he doesn't really want to battle Royce, but will if nikkas keep talking shyt, he said he'll basically destroy Royce. Royce called him a "bytch" and said he'd "Break his neck" if he talked like that to him in person. That's what caused the real rift. Lupe left the live, got on his own live and did a freestyle for like 9 minutes getting at Royce, and then dropped a quick 2 minute diss (It was intended to Mook and Rex for talking reckless, but a lot of people took it as a Royce diss, but it wasn't).

Then today Royce dropped his diss, and then a few hours later Lupe dropped his.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar2Z8X5wOyU&t=13s

its a draw to me

both tracks were really dope
need to listen again
royce's delivery is top notch

Lupe also dropped this

"Jean Grey"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9Vl8muEsw

definitely don't think its a marketing thing
Royce isn't that kind of artist
Lupe just releases music when he feels like it and is far removed from that kinda of thing

I can't wait for the next round. Royce is going to have to turn it up.

The Royce SONG is breathtaking as a standalone SONG.
And some of the bars on it are out-of-this world.

But if we want to go with a battle, I'd say the Lupe. His one
is cleverer. It's subtle and crafted directly to the conflict.
The Royce one is an amazing song with the beef folded in parts.
(No shade...again...both songs amazing)

But really I'm too busy enjoying this to get into who
is winning

That Lupe track

He managed to be characteristically Lupe but really go in.

There's memorable one-liner after one-liner, tons of his type of wordplay, his humor -- but it just cuts deeper than I expected, lol.

I found that Royce track pretty boring tbh (but I'm admittedly not a big fan, appreciate his lyricism but never really got the hype)

Hope we get a few more rounds like this.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

especially for him. he didn't sound interested at all and he was all over the place (not uncommon for him). the linked video had poor audio quality on his vocals so that didn't help. he definitely had some bars and got some hits in. his flow was good but the delivery was just boring. the beat was cool. that was the weakest part on lupes track, i didnt really like the beat.

lupe came out precise and stayed focused. it was a typical laid back lupe but the bars hit hard. it made me feel like he had more he was holding back on, like this was just a warning shot yet it hit harder than royce's.

im hoping royce comes back with some real fire.

... Lupe ended up doing what I expected Royce to do, while Royce ended up doing what I expected Lupe to do lol.

Lupe takes round 1 for sure.

but i was much more impressed by royce's track

but i was much more impressed by royce's track

Royce was tryna showcase his ability and Lupe just tore his head off.

Not tryna be the fun police, but ... I wish that it didn't have to come to this, or at least that I could enjoy it now that this is where we are. I would say that Lupe "won," but I didn't particularly enjoy listening to any of them because of how unnecessary this beef is to me. If anything, it made me angry because Lu got this track out so quickly but hasn't released actual music since Drogas Wave (unless I missed some one-offs)

I was a fan of the pod, but this whole ordeal makes me feel like Huey did in S1 of The Boondocks when he said "we could all be reading a book right now"

Lol, yeah “unnecessary” seems to be a good word to describe it.

>> but hasn't released actual music since Drogas Wave (unless I missed some one-offs)

I almost forgot, but he did put the House EP with Kaelin Ellis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5NcTf2KLbQ

He puts out freestyles every so often on his social media. Right before Drogas Wave, he put out like 10 of them that I still listen to. His freestyles are some of my fav. Lupe material, if we're being honest.

This year he put out a few, here's what I remember:

Jean Grey - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9Vl8muEsw
Kara Walker - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zhKEm41geQ
DOOM freestyle - https://www.instagram.com/p/CQq3pGsFeUl/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CO0-mWhDv9S/

I think he recently said he was working on a few projects.

A few joints he threw up and deleted a few yrs ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XeGmMgSBLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6cufkB0cas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7BIKS5Y2as

Lupe is/was Lupe. Dope as usual. Production too. Very consistent.

Also forgot about Tape Tape. Didn't know about the others, good looks!

This is a healthy disagreement between two sensitive
artists but has none of the real features of the worst
parts of rap beefs

I have no problem with this

They seem to be handling it well

I've come to terms with the fact that I'm probably in the minority here. I just don't get any personal enjoyment out of the music that has come from it. I was also a fan of the pod, so losing that stings as well

... are a direct result of the "beef" then fuck it let's do it. I really enjoyed these new ones

Whale Wit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmbaA_Gs4w

SBA Lu - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpvapShl0Tk

https://www.instagram.com/p/CR5PbMmD7DD/

I liked Royce's joint cause it's more of a three (was it three or four) verse song with little wordplay jabs here & there but it was so random that that song could've been a diss song about anybody, it wasn't so direct.

With Lupe's freestyle, hit was really going after Royce, some lines were corny, (the singing at the beginning was terrible too) but a lot of it hit home like a real battle, dissing him, his persona, & whatnot; the lines about him only being famous cause of Em & Premier were funny as well.

I would give the point to Lupe but I would never want to hear it again, unlike Royce's track I can listen to that a few more times and enjoy it as just another lyrically overpacked song.

That was disrespectful

Royce made a song

Lupe made a diss track.

Agreed...Lupe got him out the gate...and Lupe's voice has grown up I guess...

Jay-Z Executive and blessed a feature on my debut
He did a feature with Em and he replaced you
Real Renegades are never afraid of the Pressure
Rock City flopped pretty hard they all left ya
Rapping at open mics while they were backing up Obie Trice
You were flashing guns like a fool at Rabbit’s homie like
You’re kinda Bizarre and the Proof is so strange
Your trynna be hard white, Daddy should’ve left you for that cocaine

I’m enjoying this back and forth though

Lupe took Round 1 for sure

Lupe stays being goof ball. His early mixtapes are good. His albums are trash. Who listens to Food and Liquor??? That shit had no impact his other projects are forgettable Tetsuo & Youth... No thanks. Royce I can listen to but he is a CB4 rapper, very repetitive. But I do like his catalog.15 years ago this may have got some headlines... Maybe

reply #39

so.....

What are you? Someone who sorta kinda halfway cares? Or cares enough to be reply #39?

If there were 500 replies, THEN would that be a sign that "someone" (other than a measly dozen or so people who made up the now 39 replies) cares?

Its like he was reading from a teleprompter that was moving faster than the beat.

He smothered his hot bars with some wet blanket ass wordplay that wasn’t needed.

There's no energy to it. The bars are are really good and intricate per usual. They read great. But they do not flow at all with most of the beats he's rapping on.

And at the end of his bars he's almost like trailing off lazily, like he's bored or something. He's been doing that whole thing for a couple years now and I've never liked it.

like someone said up top, this went the exact opposite of how I expected it to go.

although I really didn’t expect Lupe to ever lose this battle because dude is a monster. Don’t let the voice fool you, Lupe is on a whole different level lyrically.

it just makes me bored

From XXL Mag: Lupe Fiasco's name-drop of Salem is presumably referring to the immortal human-like talking cat from the 1990's sitcom Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

Read More: Lupe Fiasco and Royce 5’9" Drop Diss Tracks Against Each Other - XXL | https://www.xxlmag.com/lupe-fiasco-royce-59-diss/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

am I trippin or did they clearly miss the Salem Witch Trials reference?

or is it both?

yeah, I think the reference went over the head of that author and who happens to be a fan of a bizarre 90's sitcom and made a half assed correlation. I feel like this is DEF referencing the historic Salem Witch Trial(s).


werd.

IN 2021

Salem is a warlock that was put in the body of a cat

Royce was on Live with Mickey the other day
Straight baited him into responding next

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRzPSOVp7Oh/

I guess this is round 2

I had it at a draw initially but I like Royce song better
Lupe seemed out of character wishing death on Royce (was it even that serious

The wishing death line was perfectly set up

He said “I’m past all the dumb shit but you would shoot someone’s son holding Sun Chips”

The wishing death line was obviously a “oh you want to get ingnant” type of response to what Royce said.

Same with the “punch you in the face” line. Royce said that shit to Lupe.

Lu was the one that took it there.

No nigga, you took it there. And he did better than you, cuz he’s smarter and better than you. Smh

I find it amazing that people are in here hollering about how well Lupe did without a single quotable. I gave his dis record maybe 30 seconds. He sounded like an angry substitute teacher. I guess this is what people call a good dis record now. Shrug.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>I find it amazing that people are in here hollering about how
>well Lupe did without a single quotable. I gave his dis record
>maybe 30 seconds. He sounded like an angry substitute teacher.
>I guess this is what people call a good dis record now. Shrug.


I find it amazing that you're in here hollering about there aren't any quotables when you've admitted to listening to only 30 seconds of a 7 minute track...

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Y6uBdLo9M

Whale Wit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmbaA_Gs4w
SBA Lu - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpvapShl0Tk
On Your Left - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNSu8rTzeFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNFcs0_pt5s




God bless Royce as he as awoken the beast .... Keepem comin Lu!

werd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EP1rRDupC0

and I don't think this one got a yt vid, so I'll repost https://www.instagram.com/p/CR5PbMmD7DD/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkzL_UDwRY

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

nothing really standout to me. kinda basic for Lupe

he sounded angry and wishing death on someone you seemed to have a solid relationship a few weeks back and recently did 40+ podcast together is kinda strange to me.
just a weird beef all together

Unfortunately, I haven't been following the Royce vs Lupe battle. Those are 2 top notch MCs and I'd expect them to come with great stuff.

However, I did come across this story. It looks like Royce, Joell & Crooked are all in. I don't know what the story is with Joe and if his relationship to Eminem has improved.

But I'm looking forward to this.

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/royce-da-59-previews-slaughterhouse-reunion-3-down-1-to-go-news.136926.html

Wish more people listened to Crooked’s Good V Evil albums

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com