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|Topic subject||Why are there no successors to The Roots?|
3031909, Why are there no successors to The Roots?|
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sat Apr-17-21 07:09 PM
It's odd how popular live instrumentation during concerts has gotten yet there is not a hip hop (that I know of. I could be very mistaken) that uses live instruments as part of their standard sound besides The Roots. I guess you could count Robert Glasper. But that group doesn't have an MC perse, like Thought. He just has MCs rotate in and out of the lineup.
Granted, The Roots is made up of some legendary musicians who have touched many genres with great music. So, the likelihood of a group meeting with not only the interest but the talent and skill to pull off what The Roots do is very small.
But you'd figure some aspiring hip-hop head would pull his boys (and gals) together and form a group.
3031910, The Foundation|
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Sat Apr-17-21 07:13 PM
3031915, Hadn't heard of them|
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sat Apr-17-21 09:44 PM
3031938, RE: The Foundation|
Posted by doitall76, Mon Apr-19-21 07:38 AM
are you talking about the group with the album "First Fruit" or are you talking about someone else? If so, what is an album of theirs?
3032053, RE: The Foundation|
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu Apr-22-21 07:46 PM
I think they're first album at least was self titled, Chris Daddy Dave is the drummer for the group. The lead emcee is Kay (remember him from some of his appearances on Nicolay's solo albums, especially There)
3032145, RE: The Foundation|
Posted by doitall76, Tue Apr-27-21 03:33 PM
thanks for that, I forgot about that one. Your clue reminded me that I had it. It was called Forever Behind the Music.
3032153, RE: That's it|
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Tue Apr-27-21 09:04 PM
I couldn't remember the title but that's the one
3032185, I think they may have disbanded|
Posted by wiseguy, Thu Apr-29-21 03:41 PM
not sure, but seems like they might have
3031917, Because it's much harder to assemble a group of musicians|
Posted by blackfoot_female, Sun Apr-18-21 12:18 AM
than it is to find a beatmaker. At least that's my theory.
3031934, Good point|
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sun Apr-18-21 09:39 PM
It's more difficult getting three or four or five musicians on the same page over the course of recording an album than one beatmaker working with an MC on one song.
Plus, the money for a show is split multiple ways rather than the whole sum going to the MC. Money talks... (as you well already know)
3031956, If The Roots happened today...|
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Mon Apr-19-21 04:25 PM
...?uest, Black Thought, Hub, Kamal, Poysner and them would collaborate for one album.
THEN they'd all do their own solo projects.
OR they'd look for other people to do projects with.
Freddie Gibbs did projects with Madlib and Alchemist.
Snoop and Pharrell did an album.
Zo! & Tall Black Guy did an album.
Anderson Paak and Bruno Mars are doing an album.
It's all about one-off collaborations today.
3032052, The Internet is doing that.|
Posted by phemom, Thu Apr-22-21 06:42 PM
All of them have solo projects.....dropped a record together....and are now in the rotation of solos again.
Not saying it works....but it is being completed by a band that isn't the Roots...but make pretty good music in their own right IMO.
3032115, Agreed. Good example.|
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Mon Apr-26-21 09:07 AM
Ha. Mad I didn't name The Internet cause they fit the example more than the ones I named.
3031937, Remember Crown City Rockers?!? I liked them....anyways.|
Posted by phemom, Mon Apr-19-21 04:14 AM
...they were a band like the Roots from out of Oakland. I played the above record SO MUCH when it dropped.
Anyhoo, it's gonna be hard to find multiple musicians when there's no band in school these days, add that it's easier to find a producer, and everyone wanting to shine and it equals little to no groups these days.
That said, I don't see a reason that a rapper wouldn't have a go with a couple of the groups out there. Why not form a real group with BadBadNotGood, The Free Nationals,El Michaels Affair or even the collective of people making music with Terrace Martin?!?
Or imagine a good rapper becoming a group with Flying Lotus & Thundercat?!?
It's probably some $$$ to be made that way right?
3032183, RE: Remember Crown City Rockers?!? I liked them....anyways.|
Posted by Original Juice, Thu Apr-29-21 02:14 PM
Gibbs been doing live shows with them. Reportedly they were supposed to come out with a live version of Bandana with them too.
>Or imagine a good rapper becoming a group with Flying Lotus &
Agreed. I thought they were supposed to link up with Ish from Shabazz Palaces/Digable Planets to form WOKE..
3031939, Nobody wants to grind that hard|
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Apr-19-21 07:58 AM
The Roots were touring damn near year round until they got the late night gig. It was the only way to get paid because splitting them Geffen/MCA/Def Jam checks 5+ ways was nothing since they weren’t moving hella units.
3031941, I think the bigger issue is that there are very few new "groups" |
Posted by soulfunk, Mon Apr-19-21 10:44 AM
who are coming out together in hip-hop. People don't want to split the checks multiple ways. If an MC wants that live band sound they can get musicians to tour with pretty easily. But a band like The Roots came up together, developed a signature sound together, etc., and that's just rare in these days.
3031955, music is too easy to make now. |
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Apr-19-21 02:56 PM
bands are necessary. though, it would be nice they were more popular. bygone day mostly.
3032033, If you're doing paint by numbers music maybe|
Posted by amplifya7, Thu Apr-22-21 11:30 AM
But to replicate the Roots sound - great hip hop mixes that 'bump' with live instruments and particularly live drums - is not easy at all IMO
3032122, exactly. most folks are doing paint by numbers because|
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Apr-26-21 07:23 PM
bands and instruments are difficult. not to mention the level of talent to do all of that.
another aspect is that you can make music all alone. you don't 'need' other people in the way a band would. nobody to bounce ideas off of.
3032123, *bands aren't necessary. |
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Apr-26-21 07:24 PM
3032022, They're unique like the Wu is|
Posted by Beamer6178, Thu Apr-22-21 09:00 AM
There have been other groups and posses but no one will ever approach Wu-Tang.
Thought is a GOD MC top 5 ever AND with a live band? Nope, lightning struck and that's what we got.
3032048, "The Roots" are a two man group with a rotating supporting cast|
Posted by micMajestic, Thu Apr-22-21 02:48 PM
They aren't a rap band version of Wu-Tang everyone besides Quest & Thought can be replaced. The group wouldn't have even been sustainable if the show stopped for anyone besides Quest or Thought.
3032051, btw did the Roots retire from making albums?|
Posted by guru0509, Thu Apr-22-21 06:41 PM
i hope not, their last two releases were deleted after 1 listen...that shit was a snoozefest made for "coffee shop chicks and white dudes"
3032113, RE: lol|
Posted by rmcphedr, Mon Apr-26-21 03:59 AM
I think the word in 2019 is that they were recording a new jawn. Hopefully it is better than the last one: i literally played that twice.
3032114, I really liked undun when it came out. Got a lot of spin that|
Posted by soulfunk, Mon Apr-26-21 08:49 AM
first year. I rarely ever go back to it, likely because it's really made to listen to beginning to end. It's also a pretty depressing story from a concept album perspective. I remember adding a couple joints like One Time and Make My to my workout playlist since they knock, but hearing that sad story doesn't really help while lifting heavy.
I didn't even realize it had been so long since they released an album. I don't even think I made it through And Then You Shoot Your Cousin one full time. I remembered them talking about another album a few years ago and never checked for it - I'd assumed it was out but looking at their discography that was End Game which never came out.
3032139, Yea I liked Undun! I’m talking about the two albums after that|
Posted by guru0509, Tue Apr-27-21 10:28 AM
>first year. I rarely ever go back to it, likely because it's
>really made to listen to beginning to end. It's also a pretty
>depressing story from a concept album perspective. I remember
>adding a couple joints like One Time and Make My to my workout
>playlist since they knock, but hearing that sad story doesn't
>really help while lifting heavy.
>I didn't even realize it had been so long since they released
>an album. I don't even think I made it through And Then You
>Shoot Your Cousin one full time. I remembered them talking
>about another album a few years ago and never checked for it -
>I'd assumed it was out but looking at their discography that
>was End Game which never came out.
3032140, there was only one album after that?|
Posted by thebigfunk, Tue Apr-27-21 10:33 AM
Do You Want More?!!!??! (1995)
Illadelph Halflife (1996)
Things Fall Apart (1999)
The Tipping Point (2004)
Game Theory (2006)
Rising Down (2008)
How I Got Over (2010)
...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin (2014)
Unless you're including the collab with Elvis Costello -- but I would consider that part of their albums discography, i'd put that in the same vein as the Wake Up and Betty Wright albums (i.e. collaborations, not The Roots-focused projects)
~ i could still snort you under the table ~
3032147, ahh ok yea i was counting the abbot costello album...my b.|
Posted by guru0509, Tue Apr-27-21 04:54 PM
> Organix (1993)
> Do You Want More?!!!??! (1995)
> Illadelph Halflife (1996)
> Things Fall Apart (1999)
> Phrenology (2002)
> The Tipping Point (2004)
> Game Theory (2006)
> Rising Down (2008)
> How I Got Over (2010)
> Undun (2011)
> ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin (2014)
>Unless you're including the collab with Elvis Costello -- but
>I would consider that part of their albums discography, i'd
>put that in the same vein as the Wake Up and Betty Wright
>albums (i.e. collaborations, not The Roots-focused projects)
>~ i could still snort you under the table ~
3032118, Check out Akua Naru, John Robinson & PVD|
Posted by fatboybrandon, Mon Apr-26-21 11:37 AM
I luv 'em both. To me, Akua is like a female Black Thought in terms of skill and thought-provoking rhymes over soulful live instrumentation-based music. Not only does she have a great live band on her records, she's performed with the likes of Terri Lynne Carrington and Eric Benet.
I love what JR and PVD have been doing recently by carrying the torch for Hip Hop and live instrumentation. They also bring guests such as Silent Knight, El Da Sensei, Sadat X.
3032127, Cuts to funding in school music programs. |
Posted by CaptNish, Mon Apr-26-21 08:55 PM
3032143, Avantdale Bowling Club was (is?) a rap band|
Posted by Nodima, Tue Apr-27-21 11:41 AM
Full album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYQxjSMFmT8
I remember this seeming like a growing trend around 2008, too - Heliocentrics is a band name I think of a lot, but am not sure I ever liked?
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
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3032194, because HH didnt appreciate The Roots until HH hit a slump|
Posted by seasoned vet, Fri Apr-30-21 03:11 PM
im glad to hear Quest talk about this at length when others ignore it