https://www.okayplayer.com/music/alchemist-armand-hammer-haram-new-album.html

wow.
just wow.
i need a single in my life ASAP.
cant wait for this.
wow.

Can't to hear woods and Elucid over a whole album's worth of Alc. production.

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Wishing Bad featuring Curly Castro & Amani
Chicharrones featuring Quelle Chris
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the album he put out last year with king vision ultra is dope as hell

Pretty good album from last year
It got some internet love, I wouldn’t mind having it on vinyl.

they are the best right now

the only thing fucking with shrines last year for me was the woods/moor mother album

i'm convinced they're the greatest rap duo of the 21st century without even looking at the deep solo catalogs

but I'll be that asshole and say the Alc thing does nothing extra for me.

I'm happy for the extra exposure it will bring them because they are certainly deserving of more love.

But I'd be just as/probably more hyped if this was a whole album with Messiah Musik, August Fanon, Segal, or hell Elucid himself on the boards. Or hell Muggs or El P.


Alc is dope but extremely overrated imo. I scratch my head when I see him on all time great lists with guys like Pete, Dilla, Madlib, etc. Nah. *shrugs*

He’s not Pete, Primo, but not many are. But once we get past the absolute GOATS, I’d put him right there with pretty much anybody.

He’s got such a huge catalogue, and he switches his sound up over the years.

I've seen a few too many "Top 5" lists with him on it recently.

like I said, dude is dope no question...but I don't regard him as highly as others. I know I am all alone on this island though lol


Happy for Elucid and woods either way and they always get my money regardless.

Ok maybe not way better than Muggs but definitely better

He’s on the same level as Pete and Primo to me ..I’ve been listening to him since Defari Focused Daily days and he’s always held it down

>He’s not Pete, Primo, but not many are. But once we get
>past the absolute GOATS, I’d put him right there with pretty
>much anybody.
>
>He’s got such a huge catalogue, and he switches his sound up
>over the years.

I’d put him in the same category as Muggs, though I generally prefer ALC.

His discography is deep and right up there, no question.

Speaking of Alchemist, recently came across his beat battle with Just Blaze from years ago, and cannot stop going back to when he dropped We Gonna Make It. Even Just and his crew were going crazy. 0:40 sec to 1:30 is basically my favorite thing that exists right now.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2DEUJsNif5I&feature=share

they are totally different beasts. not sure alchemist even plays synths on his records. and el-p generally doesn't loop dusty samples.

can't compare the two imo. they're both great at what they do.

**never ever ever take any opinion of this poster seriously. the same level as pete and preem. if i was a mod i'd delete your fucking account

Shit trash
your boat has sailed

Hope you get a hot meal from somewhere

>**never ever ever take any opinion of this poster seriously.
>the same level as pete and preem. if i was a mod i'd delete
>your fucking account

youre a white boy who said alchemist is on the same level as pete/preem

again..you not liking my 20 years old work is actually a compliment

and spectacular

im more of an elucid fan than an A&H fan
Woods has never done much for me
but over these ALC beats im fucking w him way more

zero chance this won't be an instant classic for me. i'm very happy that elucid allowed his lyrics to be transcribed for the CD version this time

https://armandhammer.bandcamp.com/album/haram

i feel like i pick a new best track off their albums every time i listen to them, especially shrines and paraffin

good but he's also one of the most overrated all time.

the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

woods is so nice it dont matter

>the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

>the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

know anything...

knows it started with breakbeats

These dudes need to know when enough is enough.

When Roc Marciano did it, that shit was dope and something new.

But after the 12th album of the same shit, it’s fucking OLD.

They need to switch that shit up.

They can come back to it if they want but damn.

Album after album ain’t no different than commercial artists who make the same bullshit.

A gimmick is a gimmick.

Last few Alchemist full length projects that come to mind are Boldy James - Price of Tea in China, Alfredo with Gibbs, and Conway - Lulu.

None of those albums sound alike to me, and most of the songs have drums - and the drums usually knock.

and were all fairly flat- especially the drums if you want to get into details.

Alfredo was disappointing and his Boldly James album was the least interesting Boldly James album released that year.

Alc really has that white boy curve working for him, I'll give him that. A 6 or 7 release is graded as an 8 or a 9 cuz its him.

It really has gotten to the point where dudes see his name and decide its dope without listening.

And I'm not even a hater of drumless hip hop, etc.


I just don't get the *amount* of love Alc gets. Only explanation I can come up with is the curve. He's dope, cool, whatever...but I wouldn't even have him top 10 TODAY. *shrugs*

>Alc really has that white boy curve working for him, I'll give
>him that. A 6 or 7 release is graded as an 8 or a 9 cuz its
>him.
>

exactly

Lulu had that eery, unsettling energy throughout.

There were definitely a few on the Boldy James that had a similar sound and would’ve fit on Lulu, but not the whole album.

I love all 3 of those projects too, so I’m enjoying what Alc’s doing.

but I broadly agree...

and this is coming from a white boy haha

the roc no drums thing was cool at first, but I am well over it. remember those old UN / PR joints where roc SAVAGED THEM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAQYvUmJoTw

>These dudes need to know when enough is enough.
>
>When Roc Marciano did it, that shit was dope and something
>new.
>
>But after the 12th album of the same shit, it’s fucking
>OLD.
>
>They need to switch that shit up.
>
>They can come back to it if they want but damn.
>
>Album after album ain’t no different than commercial artists
>who make the same bullshit.
>
>A gimmick is a gimmick.

>the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

Starting the day with jokes, I see...

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

...ALC can be super dope ..but i'm not big into the "experimental" stuff that he & mugs have been doing lately

that's 5 in a row. these guys are really one of the best period.

that ship sailed for me a while ago.

Because I'm mostly a rap head, I wonder if other genres struggle to crown new greats too.

These guys are all time. All fucking time. I'm as old and dustry/angry as anyone here (well, almost). The current NBA is trash cuz no defense. I want to buy the physical. Back in my day. Etc etc.

But these dues are all time greats.


The order? *shrug* I defer to one's personal taste, but they are on the list.

Was surprised by how much this fits in with their other stuff, as opposed as a major departure in sonics. Haven't really checked for Alchemist in a while just because of the type of rappers he tends to work with not being my personal taste.

Idk guys, "sleepy" Alc, minimal/no drums, smoove loops does it for me.

woods and ELUCID kilt it.

__
I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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i think the folks in the anti-anti-drum association in this thread have trouble determining where the bars begin and end without BIG LOUD 90S SNARES on the 2 and 4

You got me.

I just can’t figure out where the bar is.

Two or three songs with little to no drums out of 14 tracks. Maybe it feels like there's less percussion then there is because of the slow tempos?

go listen to the classic albums... most of the loops have "drums" but soul, jazz, rock and r&b usually have the level of the drums WAAAY lower than how a hip hop record would be mixed...

so hip hop producers would LAYER their own drums on top of loops and chops so that it thumps.

these "beats" have just the drums from the loop or chop that they are using

and thats why it seems like its "less percussion"... because the drums are just not there compared to hip hop drums

kinda like how black guys say white girls have no ass. technically they do have an ass, just not compared to the sistas

I've even gone back to the super old school stuff like Lil Wayne.

yeah but u saying "they have drums" shows a lack of consciousness and context

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Them and Alchemist is a great fit.

I’m still gathering myself. Listened probably 6x this weekend.

It’s the funnest ride at six flags this year.

I love it but that is no surprise since i've loved every album of theirs. Beats are great and also the Quelle Chris feature is dope as hell. Elucid and billy are spoiling us really but i'm not complaining.