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Topic subjectIs there such a thing as Black soft-rock?
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3025397, Is there such a thing as Black soft-rock?
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Fri Jun-26-20 11:22 PM
There are hard rock bands (Jimi Hendrix, Living Colour), punk (Bad Brains), funk-rock (Fishbone), and alt-rock (TV on the Radio) that feature Black artists. But can you think of a Black soft-rock band?

I'm not too familiar with rock as a genre so there could be an obvious act out there. But outside of Hootie & the Blowfish nothing else comes to mind.

Like is there a Black Weezer or Belle and Sebastian out there?
3025398, Tracy Chapman
Posted by c71, Sat Jun-27-20 12:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrRA7WMI1ks
3025574, Her musical style and career matches up with the ideal of 'soft-rock'
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sat Jul-04-20 07:06 PM
3025399, Chocolate Genius
Posted by c71, Sat Jun-27-20 12:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-wdYGNuCPg
3025575, This is an amzaing song
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sat Jul-04-20 07:07 PM
Hadn't heard of him but I'm intrigued to listen to more of his stuff
3025400, David Ryan Harris
Posted by c71, Sat Jun-27-20 12:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NKPAe-BVBo
3025401, Jeffrey Gaines
Posted by c71, Sat Jun-27-20 12:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyH2DkIdoGk
3025402, You Know, That's A Good Question
Posted by Dj Joey Joe, Sat Jun-27-20 01:00 AM
I've always felt that r&b acts basically did everything from doo wop, soul, disco, funk, yauht-rock, boogie, electro-funk, smooth jazz, new jack swing, & pop, but record labels never considered their music in the same category as their white counterparts who did soft rock, blue-eyed soul, shoegaze, new wave, etc.

It's tons of r&b artists who had guitars in their music or had rock elements in their sound but they still were considered r&b and soul artists regardless.

Once in a while you will find artists like Michael Jackson, Sade, Prince, Aaron Neville, Mother's Finest, Seal, Terence Trent D'Arby, & Meshell Ndgeocello, either in rock or r&b section of a record store and sometimes in both depending on the management.


3025404, Correct
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sat Jun-27-20 04:17 AM
>I've always felt that r&b acts basically did everything from
>doo wop, soul, disco, funk, yauht-rock, boogie, electro-funk,
>smooth jazz, new jack swing, & pop, but record labels never
>considered their music in the same category as their white
>counterparts who did soft rock, blue-eyed soul, shoegaze, new
>wave, etc.
>


This was very much the case. Different artists have spoken on this. James Brown said Sam Cooke's "You Send Me" wasn't an R&B song at all but a Pop song and was only called R&B because he was black. If I recall correctly, they spent a good bit of time on that topic in the documentary I watched. Any music back then by a black person was just "Black Music" or "Race Music" as they'd call it.



3025403, I can think of a decent list...
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sat Jun-27-20 04:12 AM
Laura Love
Black, Native American, and white. She's been described as "afro-celtic" (which just looks to me like the refuse to refer to someone who looks like her as simply "celtic") or bluegrass. She doesn't get the credit she deserves. "Bang Bang" is one of my favorite songs by her.

Labi Siffre
No doubt his most recognizable song would be "I Got The..." because the second half was sampled by Dr. Dre for Slim Shady, but he's mostly a folk artist. His other most recognizable songs might be "It Must Be Love" and "Loving Laughing Crying Lying" due to the covers. Imo he's one of he most brilliant singer songwriters the industry has ever seen and would be a bonafied legend if he were white... and straight.

Cree Summer
She only made one album (Street Fairie) but it was very much soft rock, and I loved it.

Kenna
You probably know of him. Really outside the box, musically and found some success with Neptune production. His whole songwriting approach is very much alternative rock.

Lenny Kravitz
No explanation needed there

The Family Stand
Their first album "Moon In Scorpio" had more rock on it, but even on the more R&B leaning "Connected" they had joints like "What Must I Do Now" and "Don't Ask Why."

On that note, here are more who were either genre benders with many rock songs or albums in their catalogs or classified as something other than rock simply due to them being black.


Prince

Ike & Tina Turner (recorded "Drift Away" in the middle of an album and it didn't sound out of place at all)

Shuggie Otis (the original Strawberry Letter 23 could be this post's theme song)

Terence Trent D'arby aka Sananda Maitreya

India.Arie

Me'Shell Ndegeocello (an album like "Weather" for instance)

Van Hunt

Gnarls Barkley

N.E.R.D.






3025406, im gonna add Alana Davis to this list...
Posted by Voodoochilde, Sat Jun-27-20 06:59 AM
to be clear, im a 'fight the genre' guy :) but for fun, i'll join in the game here :)

....starting with her first stellar record "Blame it On Me" in the 90s (which was one of my faves back then, and STILL sounds as refreshing today as it did then) id say, yeah, Alana Davis should be added to this list too...

also another artist who first broke out in the 90s, Dionne Farris...add her too.

and as you mentioned, Meshell too of course, some of her stuff surely would fit into that 'soft rock' genre .... well, you know, if one HAS to do the 'genre thing' that is ;)

3025535, RE: im gonna add Alana Davis to this list...
Posted by drhodes777, Wed Jul-01-20 10:18 PM
>to be clear, im a 'fight the genre' guy :) but for fun, i'll
>join in the game here :)
>
>....starting with her first stellar record "Blame it On Me"
>in the 90s (which was one of my faves back then, and STILL
>sounds as refreshing today as it did then) id say, yeah,
>Alana Davis should be added to this list too...
>
>also another artist who first broke out in the 90s, Dionne
>Farris...add her too.
>
>and as you mentioned, Meshell too of course, some of her stuff
>surely would fit into that 'soft rock' genre .... well, you
>know, if one HAS to do the 'genre thing' that is ;)
>
>
Bruh,
I still play her first album on a fairly regular basis. I don't know how she wasn't bigger as an artist.
3025409, "soft rock" is pretty meaningless
Posted by thebigfunk, Sat Jun-27-20 08:50 AM
as a genre label, I think. And I don't mean that as a dismissive comment, just to suggest that the question itself might not work if the core of the question ("soft rock") is ambiguous. It held enough weight to describe radio formats but I'm not sure that it offers anything coherent as a genre descriptor, especially across larger swaths of time. The most coherent period for the label is probably the more singer-songwriter leaning stuff of the '70s - Carole King, James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Carpenters, etc - but where does it go in the 80s? In the 90s? You can argue certain trajectories (Hall & Oates/"yacht rock") but I that sound is distinct enough that I'd hesitate to lump it in with soft rock...

All of that said, I think you could make a good argument that at least a certain section of 70s and 80s soul effectively intersected with "soft rock" as it came to be tagged and labeled -- I'm thinking of folks like Roberta, Donny, Minnie, maybe even Nina Simone -- like, you can hear it all right alongside each other and it makes perfect sense, there's no disconnect, and of course there's plenty of explicit cross-pollination in terms of covers, studio musicians, etc. Of course, the racial politics of the music business meant it probably didn't get played in that way very often... (although maybe it did more than we realize -- you hear all sorts of anecdotes about how radio in the 70s and early 80s was more eclectic in formatting than now)

The other thing I thought, taking it into the late 70s and 80s, is Quiet Storm -- which again, probably isn't so much a genre as a radio format (though much more coherent than soft rock itself probably every was).

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~
3025569, A.R. Kane
Posted by amplifya7, Sat Jul-04-20 10:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEtp80EQOgw
3025571, Res?
Posted by spitfire, Sat Jul-04-20 04:28 PM