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3000188, This is really good breakdown, thanks Posted by micMajestic, Thu Jan-11-18 11:48 AM
> >>But it's ridiculous to suggest that there can be only ONE >>artist who can can achieve the success that he has at this >>moment in time and that there is no black male who can. >> > >Pop is blockbuster silo'd... Rihanna doesn't play in Beyonce's >lane doesn't play in Adele's lane... Bruno purposely stopped >playing in Ed Sheeran space and Ed cannot play in Bruno space > > >>Shit even when Michael Jackson was the Michael Jackson of >his >>time, there were plenty of artists who were in the >>conversation and competing with him. Artist like Prince, >>Madonna, George Michael, Whitney Huston, Lionel Richie. >None >>achieved the success that MJJ did, but neither has Bruno >Mars. >> >There was money in the labels then.. R&B competing at that >level COSTS a lot of money... to take 1 song to top 10 could >cost 500k-1m.. They only risk that on sure bet lanes... >Arianna, Demi, Rihanna are song vehicles.. Tinashe cannot get >close to them because her vehicle isnt strong or fast >enough.. > >Bruno IS the gas AND the vehicle so he doesnt have to play in >that (song placement) space. He circumvented a near >impossible hill and is now at the top.. So anyone who wants to >write a certain kind of song (outside of his crew) and have it >heard like a James Fauntleroy is sending it to Bruno or JT.. >NOT to some up and coming dude who can maybe dance.. > >> >>Also, this is such a ridiculous position because there are >>clearly other artist who are competing for the top of the >Pop >>Kingdom in 2018. Rihanna, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry. > >>My question is why are there no Black Males trying to reach >>that level. >> > >I answered this above.. Drake is the strongest vehicle for men >out (besides Beibs). That means if you are a known/hit making >songwriter or producer you are saving you best shit for the >strongest vehicles and you are making those records FOR those >vehicles. > >If someone (not just a black dude) cannot write and produce >the songs on their OWN... they arent gonna get in the game to >even compete with Bruno... You are asking someone to race a >ferrari riding a bike.. > >Everything is Rap nowadays because from day one rap had a DIY >ethos. So most rappers and rap adjacent folks are trained to >write their own shit.. get their boy to make a beat and keep >grinding until it pops. > >The new R&B we hear learned this ethos and is implementing it. > 6lack, Byrson etc are making records like rappers do. > >R&B and esp the groove r&b we are talking about was built on 1 >of 2 ways... You were in a band with your boys and ya'll got >really good any made awesome records until they popped. > >OR > >You were plucked from "the mall" and placed in a group or good >enough to be solo. Taught how to dance, dress, sing (better) >in a system. You were given pre written songs to sing from a >system and you just had to get up there and kill it. > >Both of these scenarios rarely happen because in the first one >we have lost bands in general ($, school programs, technology, >culture etc) and in the second the labels/production companies >foot the bill for years until it worked. They arent footing >the bill. > >What you are asking for is too dependent on money and outside >partners to work. > >So it COULD happen but extremely rare
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