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2972564, Whoodeeni /// 2Chains VS Dave
Posted by , Wed Dec-31-69 07:00 PM
Another track that Dave just out-raps Pos. However, I'm partial to 2Chains on this right here. Let it be known that this might be the first 2chains rhyme I have ever really paid attention to, never been a fan of the snippets I have previously heard, but he just kills these bars. I can't stop listening to this track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2YAl81ikhQ


Poll question: Whoodeeni /// 2Chains VS Dave

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2972567, Ain't no secret that Chainz can rap
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Sep-07-16 10:03 AM
He was on a track with two Titan emcees so he had to bring his A game and he brought that shit!
2972571, I wish he'd prove it a little more often.
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-07-16 10:08 AM
I was so excited about this verse I went and listened to some other 2 Chainz songs and was like - ugh. No wonder I never liked him. First up was "No Problems" or whatever it's called by Chance. Song is great but Chainz' verse is blah.

Wish he would rap like this more often. He's got a dope voice and flow when he's actually spitting.
2972572, He gotta rap with true emcees more often
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Sep-07-16 10:10 AM
He got nothing to prove rapping alongside most of these new young niccas. Cats were sleeping on him as Tity Boi. He started clownin with the 2 Chainz moniker and popped off so he just rode the wave. I ain't mad at him.
2972573, That's interesting. I gotta read more about this.
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-07-16 10:14 AM
>He got nothing to prove rapping alongside most of these new
>young niccas. Cats were sleeping on him as Tity Boi. He
>started clownin with the 2 Chainz moniker and popped off so he
>just rode the wave. I ain't mad at him.

I don't blame him for getting paper either but I just wish that, now that he's made it, he'd take the opportunity to spit a little more often. You can do both, ride the wave and show a little artistic integrity, at the same time.

Tity Boi is a hilarious name.
2972574, RE: That's interesting. I gotta read more about this.
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Sep-07-16 10:21 AM
It had something to do with him being an only child and a mama's boy. I'm sure that name is part of the reason people slept on him lol
2972575, HAHAHA that's amazing.
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-07-16 10:25 AM
>It had something to do with him being an only child and a
>mama's boy.

The more I learn the more I like this dude. My cousin has been obsessed with him forever and I was always meh.
2972583, RE: That's interesting. I gotta read more about this.
Posted by Nodima, Wed Sep-07-16 11:00 AM
Me Against the World 2 -> Trapavelli 2 -> Codeine Cowboy is the sequence of mixtapes where the 2 Chainz character comes into perspective and I realized I was actually a fan of the guy. I'd recommend looking for reviews of those works if you want to read more about the transition. Here's my TRU Realigion review, which came after those three and before his first big radio singles/debut album dropped. Funny how I came out of the last paragraph entirely wrong haha:


Just a little over a year ago, I'd have never expected to be in the Artist Formerly Known as Tity Boi's corner. I spent the early part of the 2000s listening to him appear on each of Ludacris' albums, supplying serviceable weed carrier verses at best. He never carried a song and never even threatened to, which was what made the dullness of his two albums with Dolla Boy as Playaz Circle so unsurprising. It was just a couple of guys who'd spent their entire lives living in the shadow of an extremely superior rapper playing at spotlight-worthiness. But then Tity Boi split off on his own, and spent a few months not sipping codeine. He dropped one mixtape, and then another, at some point he started sipping again and released another mixtape. And somewhere within that storyline, Tity Boi didn't just become a decent rapper, he became the most popular fucking rapper in Atlanta.

The intrigue of, ahem, 2 Chainz is pretty blatant. As I've outlined before, he's a very extreme caricature of what it takes to succeed in the trap field right now. His money is as dissolvable as water, his weed as loud as the eye of a storm and his disdain for even learning a woman's name before fucking them at Goldie levels. All of this is filtered through a delivery that stands in complete contrast to his implied attitude; 2 Chainz would like us to believe that grinding on the block comes fairly easy to him, that life is just a game he plays with all the casual interest of a Monopoly player who took hold of Boardwalk and Park Place within a half hour of the game starting. But that delivery is something else, so urgent and forceful, one part anger and one part serious contempt. It's an approach that pretty much demands attention from anyone in earshot, which then adds to the humorous, cartoonish nature of what he's actually talking about.

So, yea, I root for 2 Chainz. It doesn't hurt his cause at all that for three mixtapes in a row now he's culled some of the more enjoyable production his sort of rapper could procure. It's just fucking gloriously ignorant, mixed and mastered in the way Gucci Mane's prolific run in 2008 deserved to be. But what does hurt his cause, at least when it comes to guys like me, is that 2 Chainz isn't someone you can count on to be creative. Charismatic, sure. Handy with a chorus, maybe. But after three mixtapes in a row of what felt like listening to a rapper at the top of his game and now a horribly titled collection of more of the same, it's hard to say how much higher he can go. T.R.U. Realigion is his most bloated tape in a while - certainly his most star-laden - but it's not as highlight-able as Trap-A-Velli 2 was. There's no highs here so much as a long string of certified bangers that mosh around with each other creating a near homogenous mixture. Standouts are relegated entirely to listener taste, and if you aren't as infatuated with 2 Chainz' weirdness as I am it'd be easy to say T.R.U. Realigion is a difficult mixtape to finish when you aren't in the right mood.

I know I do a lot of prognosticating when it comes to mixtape rappers' careers, if only because it's an extremely fickle market that's so easy to flood and fade from. I'm going to avoid any sweeping declarations here because fans of 2 Chainz are no doubt going to be pleased with what's going on here. But, not unexpectedly, T.R.U. Realigion's definitely more of what we've already received from the guy and contains just as many bad and mediocre ideas as good ones ("Viagra" looks questionable on paper but trust me, it's a lot more jester-like than you could ever expect), so for anyone like me that grew up during the Tity Boi phase of this career, it's not hard to envision a regression to the mean just around the corner. Hell, the last seven tracks here all but guarantee it.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
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2972585, Lol @ spitting hard as Tity Boy and clowning as Chainz
Posted by Anonymous, Wed Sep-07-16 11:14 AM
Seems backwards.
2972591, RE: Lol @ spitting hard as Tity Boy and clowning as Chainz
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Sep-07-16 11:48 AM
Not clowning in a bad way. Just having fun. Not taking emceeing as serious. I think more cats here would enjoy his Tity Boi phase with DTP more than 2 Chainz.
2972578, I think we gonna hear it on the EP with Statik Selectah n/m
Posted by phemom, Wed Sep-07-16 10:38 AM
2972804, Has that been confirmed as a project?
Posted by mrshow, Thu Sep-08-16 06:55 PM
I thought it was just a (good) single.
2972569, Agree with everything you just said.
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-07-16 10:06 AM
2972576, 2 Chainz came with it
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Wed Sep-07-16 10:29 AM
But Dave came with it even harder. His performance on this album was spectacular, and up there with the best ever.
2972579, Dave's verse was great but I took 2 Chainz just due to ...
Posted by Brew, Wed Sep-07-16 10:39 AM
.. my surprise that he had that type of emceeing in him.

>But Dave came with it even harder. His performance on this
>album was spectacular, and up there with the best ever.

I hope you mean HIS best ever.
2972799, No
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu Sep-08-16 05:11 PM
2972809, You crazy, dogg.
Posted by Brew, Thu Sep-08-16 08:51 PM
2972889, Maybe, but not for that statement
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Fri Sep-09-16 06:13 PM
2972584, i thought all 3 of them killed it.. probably like Dave's the best tho..
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Wed Sep-07-16 11:01 AM
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2972793, It's the Plug 2 show. But 2chainz surprised me.
Posted by rl9, Thu Sep-08-16 04:51 PM
2972813, RE: Dave
Posted by bentagain, Thu Sep-08-16 09:29 PM
I'm having a hard time rationalizing Dave not being in my top 5

I never tried to break up groups like that

and Pos still got busy on this album

but f'n Dave fresh as a pound of sage

clearly on some other shit

De-La, best hip hop career...?

IRT 2 Chainz

the ooh wee transition to groupie was corny

but you forcing me to be critical

he got in that beat too

just not on Dave's level.
2972902, Clues to Dave's supremacy started showing on I am I be
Posted by Roadblock, Sat Sep-10-16 02:15 AM
Dave started spitting pure venom on Stakes and got angrier on A.O.Is

Then I heard Pos talking about how dope an MC Dave was around Grind Date - How effortless rhyming is for him.

Then I heard Go Out and Get It...& and it was a wrap.