>The thing about getting an explanation is, the thing(s) that
>someone says to state their case, may not be the things that
>are important to you as a fan.
>You might use the over all vibe of a song in it's finished
>form to determine who you think is best.
>
>If I start telling you to put on those $1000 headphones and
>listen to how Dilla pured bleach on the b-side of this test
>pressing of Red Head King Pin's "Do The Right Thing" and let
>it dry long enough so that when he replayed it in reverse on a
>toy turntable, it made a word sound like a hand clap which he
>later used on a song he made for Frank and Dank, and this is
>why he is the Greatest, you'd be looking at me like I was an
>idiot.
>
>On the flipside though, some people would hear those types of
>stories and wet themselves just thinking about how awesome it
>was that he did it that way.
>
>
>So yeah, that's what I was trying to say at first.

Yep. I'm in agreement. All I'd say to conclude is that everything you said that I quoted above can be respected because they are at least "tangible" (relative to the "godfathers" argument) reasons to like X producer over Y producer. Like I said, I may not agree, and those may not be my reasons for liking rap production....but at least you're talking about the music and not about the time period he produced in. That argument is the equivalent of "first!" in internet forums. Haha.