https://soundcloud.com/alan-the-chemist/action-bronson-big-league-chew

The latest episode released today

This song would be amazing with Styles P or someone I give an actual fuck about rapping over it.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

Blue Chips and Rare Chandeliers

i'm'a still support when he drops tho

*nods in reluctance agreement*

lyrically and conceptually he has nothing to offer.




>Blue Chips and Rare Chandeliers
>
>i'm'a still support when he drops tho

Its a damn shame how certain circles/fans/sites have just accepted this bullsh!t.


At least the blogs are getting paid I guess...

What a f*cking joke.

But he's actually made dope music for a while. Rare Chandeliers and Blue Chips were well dope - dope beats, dope raps/ideas. Gimmicky and privileged for sure, but I think the buzz he got was well deserved with the music he put out. Just a matter of his style getting old kinda fast

AB's lyrical content is what's getting stale. Even with that he earned the exposure and great attention he is getting.

Which is has nothing to do with his skin color.

Because if that was the case....what fuck is Yung Thug???
He has more radio play, getting more money,etc

Is that ""black privilege""???

Now i feel myself defending dude, which is weird

I was the first person on here who talked about the
Ghostface biting shit...YEARS ago and got ridiculed for it

But I never thought dude was wack

I like this song btw

But yeah, I mean, his career is at a turning point

People not really falling for the banana in the tailpipe
anymore

Dare I say it, we might be trending in a substance direction
in hip-hop

I mean, even J.Cole sold a ton, mostly because 16 y/o felt like
they were hearing something profound

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2757092&mesg_id=2757092&listing_type=search

i'm at the point now where i cringe whenever i hear "it's me". he really ruins the whole vibe of a song for me. IMMEDIATELY. and he doesn't say ANYTHING that makes me care about what he's saying. substance is light, wordplay is aiight, punchlines are love taps. smh.

>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2757092&mesg_id=2757092&listing_type=search
>
>i'm at the point now where i cringe whenever i hear "it's me".
> he really ruins the whole vibe of a song for me.
>IMMEDIATELY. and he doesn't say ANYTHING that makes me care
>about what he's saying. substance is light, wordplay is
>aiight, punchlines are love taps. smh.

I mean, I was right

The one thing about biters is that their act runs out thin

And that's EXACTLY what people are complaining about

There's nothing left to explore artistically

Even I think that's harsh...but I'm just saying

It is pretty wild that original post is two years old. Truly doesn't seem that long ago that post was made. And the opinions I had on Action Bronson are still the same.

I like Bronson better than Cole as a rapper, but which
one could I stand for 1000 songs?

Hmm. Dare I say it, but hearing Cole speak to 15 y/o O_E
might actually be more appealing after song 50 than
hearing Bronson's garbage pail kid referencing rap

So,

In Cole you get freshman dorm rap

In Bronson, you get hyperstylized witty as shit,
head knocking rap, but the problem is that its too
much like Ghostface and has no other lane or speed

That's the problem with biting

It just runs out of gas


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But he boring. Sure profound to 15 yr olds, but boring.

And I dont get Ghostface when listening to Action. It's only voice. They don't rap alike. Action gonna say some funny nonsense, nothing more nothing less. Ghost is another level with street shit and soul.

Thats like saying King Tee and Biggie are the same or Geechi Suede and Butterfly or fucking Magoo and Q-Tip.

Most songs with Action sound like a freestyle. I don't know where it's going and he probably doesn't either. Just like Redman, Sean P, or later Special Ed.

Its biting, RBO.

It is.

Its not just the voice. Its the entire steez.

And like I said in the other post: I like Bronson.

But his star seems to be fading because people are
getting bored. And fading into boredom is a biting
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They rap nothing a like. Action on some bizzarro fun time shit. Ghost fly nigga street shit.

And I dont think his star is fading either. He didnt have an album drop in 2014.

>They rap nothing a like. Action on some bizzarro fun time
>shit. Ghost fly nigga street shit.


And was a fucking Speed Racer video

That's bizarro fun time cartoony shit, more so than than anything
Bronson has done, even

Not to mention the entire album being named 'Iron Man'

So Ghost is comic fun just like he is fly street pimp shit

Bronson lifted all of that

You can say he nerdified it more...and again, I LIKE BRONSON

But its a lift

>And I dont think his star is fading either. He didnt have an
>album drop in 2014.

Ok

I'm hoping he represents

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The video treatment is thr video treatment. Niggaz like cartoons and comics. Lol

I would never hear a Ghost verse and think its Action or vice versa.

>The video treatment is thr video treatment. Niggaz like
>cartoons and comics. Lol
>
>I would never hear a Ghost verse and think its Action or vice
>versa.

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The vocal delivery and randomness of Ghost's rhymes in that verse aren't that far off from Action's approach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC4StwN2b1o

I agree that he isn't a straight-up Ghostface replica with regard to the content and flow. And his voice is what it is. But I won't go as far as saying that there isn't any of Ghost's DNA in Action's presentation. Some, like yourself, can overlook it and enjoy the music for what it is. Some can't. I personally can tolerate it for the most part. Him rhyming over Alchemist beats definitely helps though.

>The vocal delivery and randomness of Ghost's rhymes in that
>verse aren't that far off from Action's approach.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC4StwN2b1o
>
>I agree that he isn't a straight-up Ghostface replica with
>regard to the content and flow. And his voice is what it is.
>But I won't go as far as saying that there isn't any of
>Ghost's DNA in Action's presentation. Some, like yourself, can
>overlook it and enjoy the music for what it is. Some can't. I
>personally can tolerate it for the most part. Him rhyming over
>Alchemist beats definitely helps though.

It doesn't really bother me.

But to deny the influences is outright silly

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Every m.c. has influences.

Its all good though, gimme a hug, I'm serious

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cuz he dunk good with a baldhead.

Nice dodge there

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Ghost isnt the only m.c. that raps that way. And the similarities are only evident cuz of the voice.

Voice, delivery, and content-wise. I'm genuinely curious. No snark.

>Ghost isnt the only m.c. that raps that way. And the
>similarities are only evident cuz of the voice.


......................................

https://soundcloud.com/jasper_brown

http://jasperbrown.bandcamp.com/

Gotta love the Lesson

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A lot mc's have been on some random shit from Kool Keith to Del to Red to Busta to Special Ed.

So once again it just comes back to voice.

Bwahahahah

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And it'd be one thing if the voice similarities stopped at their tones. But Action's vocal inflections can be very Ghost-like at times as well. I wasn't even one of those folks who immediately wrote dude off as blatantly biting. I thought many were being a bit hyper-critical for various reasons. But when I'd find myself listening to songs like Kunta Fly Shit or The Hilton (or Holocaust, mentioned above) the likeness was pretty glaring, to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy35rVrEQ5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETEnXCnXWOo

......................................

https://soundcloud.com/jasper_brown

http://jasperbrown.bandcamp.com/

Bronson sounds more like Pun and G Rap to me than Ghost.

the Ghost thing like RBO said is the voice. that's it.

BUT you are right his schtick has run thin.

"lovable" white dude from queens with the big beard rapping about old whips, obscure hood nerd references, beating people up, and smashing broads like he's a gymnast was fucn dope from the Blue Chips to SAAAB stories run, after he stopped trying to be so lyrical miracle on Dr. Lector and Well Done, and focused on personality.

but no, it's getting ehh. and like i said I'm still gunna cop when it drops, cause dude has given away hella good music for 2-3 years for free

>but no, it's getting ehh. and like i said I'm still gunna cop
>when it drops, cause dude has given away hella good music for
>2-3 years for free

O_E is a purchaser and supporter of artists

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Before that, I was very much with you; I thought his music was pretty dull. But that "Forest Hills" album is pretty damn good. And even though I'm clearly not that target demographic for his stuff, I'd rather 16-year-olds be listening to that album over Young Thug. Hell, I'd rather the "I'm going to young and swaggy forever!" thirtysomething crowd listen to J. Cole over Young Thug.

>Before that, I was very much with you; I thought his music
>was pretty dull. But that "Forest Hills" album is pretty damn
>good. And even though I'm clearly not that target demographic
>for his stuff, I'd rather 16-year-olds be listening to that
>album over Young Thug. Hell, I'd rather the "I'm going to
>young and swaggy forever!" thirtysomething crowd listen to J.
>Cole over Young Thug.


Yeah, I mean, of course I'd rather 16 y/o like this than
other stuff

But its not for me, so its hard for me to get into

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Or, if anything, expecting it not to be particularly good.

>Yeah, I mean, of course I'd rather 16 y/o like this than
>other stuff
>
>But its not for me, so its hard for me to get into

I certainly understand that. But I prefer his "young man perspective" raps to a lot of the other stuff out there that's clearly not made with people my age in mind.

And so I have a hard time hearing a 30 year old man
talking to my 15 y/o self

Just sounds...behind

I'd rather Joey Badass be 19 years old and speak to
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have took over and commercialized jazz.

I'm like nigga, you went to college and you're a professional music artist.

I prefer my young dude figuring it out albums to be done by young dudes. Illmatic, Resurrection, Murs 3:16, Below the Heavens

>have took over and commercized jazz.
>
>I'm like nigga, you went to college and you're a professional
>music artist.
>
>I prefer my young dude figuring it out albums to be done by
>young dudes. Illmatic, Resurrection, Murs 3:16, Below the
>Heavensial

I mean, Nas was figuring shit out on 'Life is Good' but
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This dude doesn't have shop class at 2pm. He's a grown man.

...rappers pretending to be. They can pretend to be thugs, or they can pretend to just be discovering cultural appropriation for the first time. And, for the type of rapper that he is, he sounds better than most of his ilk while doing it.


>I'd rather Joey Badass be 19 years old and speak to
>my 15 y/o self, which he does, and does well

Can't disagree here. Joey is a better at what he does. And his album is better the "Forest Hills." But "Forest Hills" is still better than I expected.

>...rappers pretending to be. They can pretend to be thugs, or
>they can pretend to just be discovering cultural appropriation
>for the first time. And, for the type of rapper that he is, he
>sounds better than most of his ilk while doing it.

I don't expect albums from Drake drunk texting another
redbone as he approaches 30, complaining about fame


He can be ignorant in other ways, but you do have to act your
age


Not asking too much


I was growing my hair in a "I'm outside the box" way at 21
years old at the latest, that's the age J.Cole is rhyming
for


Its just grating to hear a nigga 30 y/o like that, that's
all


Not saying he can't be discovering himself and all that

Of course he can




>>I'd rather Joey Badass be 19 years old and speak to
>>my 15 y/o self, which he does, and does well
>
>Can't disagree here. Joey is a better at what he does. And his
>album is better the "Forest Hills." But "Forest Hills" is
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and I am above 30. Digging the concepts more. I knock blue chips but after a few listens through I can't pick it back up till next month.

>Now i feel myself defending dude, which is weird
>
>I was the first person on here who talked about the
>Ghostface biting shit...YEARS ago and got ridiculed for it
>
>But I never thought dude was wack
>
>I like this song btw
>
>But yeah, I mean, his career is at a turning point
>
>People not really falling for the banana in the tailpipe
>anymore
>
>Dare I say it, we might be trending in a substance direction
>in hip-hop
>
>I mean, even J.Cole sold a ton, mostly because 16 y/o felt
>like
>they were hearing something profound
>
>

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Dope m.c. Might not be for everyone though I guess.

I dunno man, his shit still sounds dope to me. I guess I can understand if people aren't feeling him, but I've liked all his albums/mixtapes. And I'll be buying "Mr. Wonderful" when it drops.

i still fuck w dude, but i get why ppl are jumping ship.

>I dunno man, his shit still sounds dope to me. I guess I can
>understand if people aren't feeling him, but I've liked all
>his albums/mixtapes. And I'll be buying "Mr. Wonderful" when
>it drops.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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which was also one of the best rap releases of the decade as far as being enjoyable. I can play the whole thing without skipping a track. And I agree that the Ghost comparisons are a reach, Bronson is a comedian before he is an MC. Bronson is all about mixing food references with random action movie/wrestling/sport-fixing references (he tried the street shit on Rare Chandeliers and it failed miserably IMO), Ghost is much more well-rounded and storytelling/non-sequitir based (and the juxtaposition of those two speaks to how unique of an MC he is). If Bronson didn't sound like Ghost nobody would be saying he was biting him.

I've liked the songs from the album so far though, it should be good enough and it's cool that all of his different producers are coming together to contribute. Won't be a classic or anything but it should be fun

>which was also one of the best rap releases of the decade as
>far as being enjoyable.

Lulz

No.

Dope little mixtape/project, definitely

It ain't the best of anything


Gotta love the Lesson tho

Niggas tryna make 'Blue Chips' a classic album


Lulz

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Put it back on after a year + and I laughed out loud at least ten separate times. Arts and leisure...peace to Jon Caramanica

I will say that his flow sounds A LOT like Ghostface on this one so I can see that comparison when I didn't before. It's also his best release and that's probably not a coincidence.

I think his persona separates him enough that it doesn't bother me but I can definitely see why some people are hung up on it.

The sequel was dope but didn't have the replay value of the first, IMO. And Party Supplies production suits him perfectly, I'm surprised that other rappers haven't hit him up for production. I know he's trying to do his solo thing so maybe he's not doing too much producing for others anymore

you mad and need hug fam

classic? prob not. definitive internet era mixtape? definately.

>you mad and need hug fam
>
>classic? prob not. definitive internet era mixtape?
>definately.

Most people on here aren't really about soul or black
music, though, so I can get the cultural disconnect

But I'd say 2/3 Fab mixtapes have been as good as
Blue Chips

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Saaab stories definitely opened him up since he had, you know, choruses on it but it was a shell of his earlier stuff

If his reality show is a hit, good for him

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pulled RC out yesterday. shit is still crazy nice.

RC didn't really have that for me. He didn't really mesh too well with Alc's production. Bitch I Deserve You was cooold though

"Ghost and Bronson have different parents, and had
different brands of milk in their cereal this morning.
How can Bronson be a biter!?!?"


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.

lol

doesn't feel like a single, but i enjoyed it.

I wish they were used by Durag Dynasty or Prodigy or another Step Brothers album

Biting aside:
Dude improved greatly from when he first came out to what he was dropping circa the first Blue Chips tape (hookers on the point being my favorite lyrical highlight and the least ghostface he’s sounded flow wise). His recent projects may have been sillier along with the punchlines but he's still rapping at a high level.

I just think it’s a case of whatever the modern day backpackers have morphed into abandoning an artist now he’s seen as too “mainstream.” I feel like something similar happened to Danny Brown when Old dropped; hes' really doing nothing different then what he was doing a couple of years ago so don't know why it feels people are turning on him

people tend to jump on what's hot in the circle at the time whether they like it or not. After the fervor, you're left with the people that the product was meant for.

Sometimes it turns out the numbers are the same, but the vocal minority gets really vocal for some reason.

Especially with gentrifier fans

Its not a part of their culture so they are more prone
to jump ship

Bronson is and will do fine, but got popular by that
same hype machine, he gotta eat that, so he can't expect
loyal fans like that

Same thing happened to Odd Future

Danny Brown's problem was a bad management team who thought
he should play up the crazy negro drughead angle...didn't
work on Old....XXX was as sincere, powerful piece of music,
Old was pandering

I think Bronson is gonna be fine, personally

But if you don't think Bronson is biting, then you're more
prone to jump ship because you don't have a connection to
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well it didn't, really, but it just didn't have the urgency, originality, and specific introspection that Hybrid, Its A Art and XXX did. shit XX was masterpiece theater.

Old came off tame and formulaic. the punchlines didn't hit as hard or connect as clearly, the humor was gone, and it felt like he was going through the motions a bit. there are def some songs I love on OLD, but it's overall his weakest project.

he also over relies on the high pitch yelling style now

a lil more:
both also seem like examples of why in the end the internet model is not efficient. Artist burn through some of their best material for 2-3 years building their name / brand and honing their craft, but by the time majors and mainstream folk tune their ears in, the artist is burnt out.

the only ones who have really delivered once the bigs came knocking are Kendrick, Q, and Flocka.

Of *insert food reference - insert action movie reference - insert sport fixing reference - insert reference to swimming technique - rinse & repeat*

Fans may be fickle but if he's pumping out the same thing for dozens of verses people will get tired of it even if the charm is still there

plenty of quality rappers recycle the same imagery.
How often has lets say Pusha T deviated from a very specific script within those bars?

It gets tired if he's recycling the same three or four jokes.

If a rapper's appeal is wordplay or delivery, then that has a longer shelflife (IMO, of course)

I'm still amused by some of his lines because his references are so left-field sometimes that they're hilarious. But it also feels tired and redundant to listen to

Someone like Joey Badass isn't having a diverse array of topics but he can blend into the track so that you can listen to the same ish over and over for the production

Someone like Pusha isn't having a diverse array of topics but his flow is so sinister and delivery so sharp that it's compelling to listen to regardless of the content

Action doesn't have that - his high-pitched voice and presence make you listen to him - he never blends into the track - but he doesn't have the flow or delivery that gives it replay value. You're listening for the punchlines & comedy, and once those go away, his appeal dries up pretty quickly

The people who always scream "it's about the music" the loudest are the ones who spend the whole concert looking at the people around them.

BTW: I don't think Bronson really has much of a backlash compared to Danny Brown. People are just waiting to see if the album is good which, based on what's been released, seems fairly likely.

Good rapper, clever wordplay, whimsical sense of humor. From there, I think it's fair to ask
"so how good is he?

I think Bun B sort of called Bronson on this on an interview a few years back where he was like he said he liked Bronson a lot but wished he would dig a little deeper emotionally.

I think someone pointed out earlier this is where he and ghost really diverge and that's absolutely right. I don't think he'll ever have anything close to "all I got is you" in his catalogue.

I like Bronson. I'll keep checking for his new stuff. I think it's fair at this point to point out what he can't (or is unwilling) to do.

4-4 if you count this but I don't think this is for the album

@rob_starrk

http://www.okayplayer.com/news/action-bronson-terry-mp3.html

https://soundcloud.com/actionbronson/baby-blue-ft-chance-the-rapper

can't believe i'm still checking this dude's output, but i'm not mad at what appears to be the album material. i'm surprised.

is good

Big League Chew and the song with Chance are aight

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Weird that so many people are making such a spectacle of jumping ship when all the album tracks so far have been quality.