>the thing you are overlooking.... is... what is culture? is
>it the products (music, dance, food) or is the a priori
>paradigms and collective experiences that have led to the
>creation of the products?

i'd say it's a collective & organic (meaning the level of exposure is sufficient that people can engage the experience beyond pure imitation & regularly engage others that are the same) experience of a group that radiates out & can impact more i grained aspects of culture

>so when azalea banks says she created hip hop she's saying
>black folks went through a specific set of circumstances and
>have a different worldview that made hip hop possible in the
>first place. no other group of folks would have done it.

i agree w/ the idea & substance of this (ie Hip-Hop is non-existenct w/o Black American AND Diasporic cultural roots--which feels like a gross understatement by the way) but the blood that flowed in the veins of the creators of HIP-HOP culture was not solely African

>so... yes you can LISTEN and be influenced by hip hop

A LOT

but you
>are dealing with it on its most simplest of levels I.e. the
>actual product. you have not experienced the black American
>experience nor were you raised with what would consider a
>black worldview.


this is correct but in my experience most (by a lot) non-Black folks that engage the art, artists, if less frequently listeners, make a genuine attempt to engage (surprise) real life Black People

>ownership of culture means you have been through it.

what's the limit on this?

how many freestyle battles does a white guy have to rap in?

how perceptive & engaging of (shock) real like Black People does a white rap listener have to be to speak their mind on the music/culture?

>you can't understand hip hop the way a black person does
>because you haven't been dehumanized...

the issue isn't whether i have or not, but to what extent & of what nature...that's one reason white folks still relate to hip-hop (it's Universal as stated by many)

we all face levels of this as people but i make no claim ever that Black folks don't face a pernicious & unique variety

you haven't had
>generations go through slavery... you didn't populate housing
>projects in the south Bronx harlem or Bk. (not you per se...
>but a typical white american)

but this doesn't mean a white person can't competently engage the culture, fan or artist

>also...a plane is an invention.... culture evolves. too
>different to make analogies.