and I almost wanted to bring Loose Ends into the discussion. Thanks for doing it for me. I agree with the idea that the UK may have been ahead of the US in regards to embracing the new sound of soul music. The point I was just trying to make was that it's difficult trying to pinpoint events in the gestation period of a musical style. Since nothing that we have now is ever completely new, how far do we go back with this discussion before we are back in the era of Marvin and Stevie? You did see me mention "Diamond Life" right? :-)