guess there'll be more of this:


http://www.spin.com/#articles/wu-tang-clan-buy-album-once-upon-time-shaolin/

Wu-Tang Clan Offered Millions for Secret New Album
Bidding war for 'Once Upon a Time in Shaolin' already up to $5 milli

By Dan Reilly

April 2 2014, 1:38 PM ET

Wu-Tang Clan's plan to sell a single copy of their next album is already off to a great start. According to Billboard, group mastermind RZA already received a $5 million offer for the sole edition of The Wu � Once Upon a Time in Shaolin.

"So far, $5 million is the biggest number," he said. "I don't know how to measure it, but it gives us an idea that what we're doing is being understood by some. And there are some good peers of mine also, who are very high-ranking in the film business and the music business, sending me a lot of good will. It's been real positive."
As previously reported, the album will be displayed around the world as a traveling work of art, stopping at museums, festivals, and other venues so fans can get a listen before it ends up in the hands of someone with deep pockets. Once the 31-track set is sold, the buyer will decide what to do next (fingers crossed that sharing is involved). Meantime, Wu's 20th anniversary album A Better Tomorrow is still expected to be released this summer.

Not one to mince words when it comes to the Once Upon a Time hype, RZA previously said, "This is like somebody having the scepter of an Egyptian king."

Also, as said below: CD?

LOL

Let's not be mad

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

There you go, bro.

yet this shithead continues to go unchecked.

i can't even get a response from you as to why rjcc or whoever keeps banning me.

why?

there are way more dumb asses to "ban"

and plenty of dumb ass ideas make ppl lots of money

the idea that bc something can make $ its good is quite definitive of our era though

seems RZA cant put decent enough music together to make money honestly so he's gotta come up w/ a scam/scheme to do it

good for him i guess lol

the sucker who actually buys it tho? thats a whole nother level of stupid

Really?

You think this is a scheme for him?

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

get more money?

wall street billionaires fuckin workin ppl out of their pensions...

but no way the god rza would do such a thing

smh

>and plenty of dumb ass ideas make ppl lots of money
>
>the idea that bc something can make $ its good is quite
>definitive of our era though
>
>seems RZA cant put decent enough music together to make money
>honestly so he's gotta come up w/ a scam/scheme to do it
>
>good for him i guess lol
>
>the sucker who actually buys it tho? thats a whole nother
>level of stupid
>


Dont go and besmirch the nigga cuz u dont like his idea. He making money the honest and legal way.

wouldn't listen to for free

pleas tell me more about what an upright & honest businessman he is

smh at yall drinking the kool aid bc, well, WU TANG

>wouldn't listen to for free
>
>pleas tell me more about what an upright & honest businessman
>he is
>
>smh at yall drinking the kool aid bc, well, WU TANG

He outsmarted you

Cry pussyhole

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

but for the record, if you think an idea is "smart" or justified bc it works you're an even bigger fool than you've made obvious over the years

Mad?

> an idea is "smart" or >justified bc it works


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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
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"To Each His Reach"

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>He outsmarted you
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>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
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>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
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>(C)Keith Murray, "

What are you basing that off of?

i dunno nonny, you tell me...

oh, he might actually sell it

which actually somehow validates the idea

smh at yall

The idea being smart or dumb has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion or my opinion on the idea.

An idea is directly related to an objective.

Since neither of is know what RZA's true objective is here we really can't say if it's smart or dumb at all.

If his objective is to sell as many copies as possible, then releasing only 1 album would in fact be dumb.

But let's say that his objective is to increase the value of his art. Supply and demand 101 would say that this is a smart idea if he can achieve his goal, which it seems as though he will.

Furthermore, your issue with a piece of music costing a million dollars is directly related to the way you've been programmed throughout your life. You're used to music costing X amount of dollars therefore your myopic view won't allow you to see a side in which someone should be charging more than what you are acustomed to.

Also, if you truly think it's a dumb idea, your pointless anger should be aimed at the person who actually purchases the album and not RZA. Why the fuck do you care what he's doing?

Do you think it's dumb for someone to sell a painting for 1 million dollars or do you think the person who purchases the painting is crazy because you yourself wouldn't spend that amount of money?

Either way you look at it, to call the idea dumb is what I find dumb.

and the reality is RZA got you out here defending some dumb shit bc you can't see past the Wu Tang symbol

i guess he really is the center of your 8 point sun



and stop w/ the piece of art Mona Lisa bullshit


these are not the Enter the 36 Chambers Master Tapes, yall sound like some parrot ass idiots


yknow what, lemme alter my stance

the idea itself isnt dumb...its shitty, its petty, its robbery...but the real idiocy is you guys falling over yourselves to defend ypur precious RZA out of blind devotion to Wu Tang & your delusions of what hip-hop is

There's no way you became this much of an over dramatic drama queen.

The fact your reply was centered around me sticking up for Wu and RZA proves you don't get it. Replace their names with any artist of your choice and then respond again because my point has absolutely nothing to do with the artist.

But hey, I guess it's easier to dodge the actual points than to have a discussion.

It's your standard bitch ass style.

you just gotta read...USE YOUR VOWELS (c) Martin


but i see your default "make it about philpot instead of the issue at hand" deflection is still ur go to tactic

And now sound as though stem more from this being the Wu than the actual idea.

but keep goin nonny, going in on philpot is a way to get ur cred up in these ok-streets

lmao

Not sure which is worse though.

I would spill the beans

Basically he's a horrible producer/rapper

Sad story but he's not dealing with it the right
way

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this should be good

You were hoping to get on yourself

I thought this was common knowledge

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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I'm not lying, and you know that bro

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

this actually gave me an idea, lol

thanks OE

Cry little dweeby tears you little herb



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

or his art is devalued as a scam because some conservative backpacking snot that don't appreciate art or art culture for that matter, says so. RZA won, take your fucking L and shut the fuck up Mitch!

>or his art is devalued as a scam because some conservative
>backpacking snot that don't appreciate art or art culture for
>that matter, says so. RZA won, take your fucking L and shut
>the fuck up Mitch!

Ironically, these mostly white Lessonheads and their off
brand black friends are giving MORE credit to the RZA
by being mad

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Hey Pete! Your album is my favorite record of 2014 so far. I bought it on bandcamp and listen to it every morning on my way to work and back home from work on the subway. Keep up the good work man! #NoSnark

i can picture you making that post all full of rage pounding your keyboard w/ spittle flying out your mouth mumbling "cracker" and "backpacker" and "mom bring me more doritos" the whole time

I think your calling RZA'a project a scam is a form of vilifying it within a criminal manner yet white people in the art world do it all the time.

We're talking about a handcrafted case containing 1 CD of a rare unreleased album recorded by one of hip hop's most important groups. That exclusivity alone is priceless.

It's just hypocritical when white people do shit like this all the time and it's sinister when a black man does it. FOH trying pin me with the racist stamp you jackass.

>I think your calling RZA'a project a scam is a form of
>vilifying it within a criminal manner yet white people in the
>art world do it all the time.

haha

>We're talking about a handcrafted case containing 1 CD of a
>rare unreleased album recorded by one of hip hop's most
>important groups. That exclusivity alone is priceless.

did you not see the tracklist?

are you that big of a Cilvaringz fan?

do you think if RZA was asking for MORE than 5 mil for the reel masters of 36, Forever or any of the round of classic Wu solos i would say NOPE NOT WORTH IT

no

if im buying a painting, its not gonna be a secret painting

i dont give a fuck who you are or what race you are, you're not selling me some art w/o me KNOWING what the fuck it is for that disgusting sum of cash just bc of who you *think* you are or what you *think* you deserve because you made good music 15 years ago

look, im willing to risk 15, even 20 dollars for your music to be wack & suck

w/ RZAs post Forever track record *I* wouldn't download his new shit for free, especially a killa beez album masquerading as an actual Wu Tang album

it IS a hustle, deal w/ that shit



>It's just hypocritical when white people do shit like this all
>the time and it's sinister when a black man does it.


FOH
>trying pin me with the racist stamp you jackass.

^right back at you

The "W" I admit was not up to par, but c'mon man Iron Flag and 8 Diagrams was dope!

Your argument about who they think they are makes no sense. In hip hop if the artist don't hold themselves in high esteem then they have no business being in hip hop because hip hop is about having great pride in one's self.

More artists should be doing mystery box album projects like this. You're probably the kinda guy that would lose their shit if Pete Rock did an exclusive art film project like Jean-Michel Basquiat done before or if 9th Wonder posed nude for a Annie Leibovitz exhibit.

The art world is becoming more open to hip hop music and culture because they see the value that you don't. You come off as one of those selfish myopic backpacker types who just want to keep MF Doom, Jonwayne, Madlib to yourself, but never want them to blow up beyond other fans like you.

If this was politics, I'd think you were one of those GOP/Tea Bagging Republicans because your views on hip hop music is somewhat ultra conservative. Sometimes you give off the aire like you just hate life general.

For all I know you could be the most happiest man/woman on the planet, but your posts lead me to believe otherwise.

Its true

I can inbox verification

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Im only shocked it took RZA this long to do this stunt.

RZA doo dooing in the Lesson's madness



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Not the snarky underhanded elitist bullshit that
the Lesson has produced on the topic.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Chin up, little man. If you can't acknowledge how important self-promotion and marketing is to rap, then you know even less about than I thought (which is saying something).

I'm just reminding y'all that being mad isn't the
right way to be

Live life, enjoy yourself

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

You're overly emotional right now. Did your Japanese sex pillow get confiscated at work again?

so,

practicing entrepreneurship in a free market economy, producing a luxury good, using prestige and exclusivity to increase the perceived value of your product = dumb ass idea, scam, dishonest business ?

lolz. niggas without a visionary thought in their head, criticizing doers.

you sound very broke and mad, dude.

>you sound very broke and mad, dude.

when their argument boils down to poor-shaming, they are the ones who are lost & there is no need to engage them further barring the possibility that one day they break the chains on their mind

wise words for anyone reading this

who's mad that he works a government job serving people he outright seems to despise or finds pathological

then you come on a message board (during hours I assume you should be working) and post countless replies of tough talk and name calling while trying to make some intelligent intervention for a culture you feel the people who created fucked up.

ohh and it's only fucked up because you don't like how it sounds anymore or the negative messages hurt your feelings considering the communities you've never lived in.

http://scottemerriman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Parrott-Scott-E-Merriman-Photography.jpg

& that seems to be the blind spot here

RZA is smarter and more artistic than just about any
"artist" that the Lesson fawns over and its making them
mad

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

since Supreme Clientele?

yall really content to let the guy slide on scams, shitty movies & soundtracks and Tarantino hook ups?

its like yall are so happy to see this guy do "big things" you dont care in any way if they have any actual artistic merit or value or appeal

all that and he still ranks top 5 to me and i do appreciate "Campfire", that shit was a banger

>yall really content to let the guy slide on scams, shitty
>movies & soundtracks and Tarantino hook ups?

This is the low self-esteem, wanna be different, oddball
nigger shit that is ruining just about everything

RZA is about a thousand times smarter and more artistic than
any tight jeans wearing sissy or Jewish kid with wire rim glasses
that you download your opinions from

Even shit that y'all niggas outright IGNORED like the Tao
of Wu:

The Tao of Wu was about a thousand times better than that
bullshit Jay-Z book that you hipster white boys and oddball
niggers loved, but you mostly ignored it because that's how
oddball niggers and hipster white people (99% of the Lesson)
are.

And everyone who actually saw 'Man with the iron fist'
actually enjoyed it, because it was a ton of fun, well-shot
and the soundtrack was a fantastic...the Kanye Song that
RZA PRODUCED was better than anything on 'Yeezy'.
(the alternative take that the RZA DIRECTLY mixed was
even better...he hasn't lost A STEP)

Film bombed because it came out in a historic hollywood
collapse...film was a TON of fucking fun

>its like yall are so happy to see this guy do "big things" you
>dont care in any way if they have any actual artistic merit or
>value or appeal

His artistic instincts are stronger than the Jewish kids that
you worship, you niche-less oddball nigger (no disrespect to
my matza ball bredren, but these 2-bit awkward niggas dickride
and its sad)

odds are, if not for some Jewish dudes, no one's ever heard of the Wu Tang Clan Rap Group from Staten Island NYC

Jewish-Ams support actual creative black people, and we owe
that community because of it.

Oddball, unauthentic niggers like you don't really help the
cause, though.

Like you accurately suggested, Jewish Americans supported the
RZA early on. If RZA relied on Oddball niggers like you, he
would have never gotten the Wu off the ground. That's precisely
my point.

>odds are, if not for some Jewish dudes, no one's ever heard
>of the Wu Tang Clan Rap Group from Staten Island NYC

You're from the generation of oddball niggers who dickride
and look pathetic in the process.



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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it's bizarre to see a grown man become so obviously enraged & confused bc someone disagrees w/ one of his idols

You're the one rage rage by the winning of the RZA




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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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Mad?

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

and this will make millions...then by definition it can't be a dumb idea..

it's an idea that accomplished it's goal.....

http://www.dhunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bullshit-meter-011.gif


``they asked me what the meek would get. picture me: afraid to answer.``

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2014/193910

Agree. $5 mil and it isn't even a vinyl or acetate?!? Come on have a little class.

I've already lived through the era when releases were called "CD's" by default.

So that's that thing...album/cd thing

http://www.spin.com/articles/wu-tang-clan-keep-watch-nathaniel-a-better-tomorrow/

We've been keeping watch for Wu-Tang Clan's A Better Tomorrow for a while now. As of November, Raekwon still hadn't recorded his verses yet, and as Consequence of Suond points out, a tweet from the Cuban linxman yesterday � "Keep dreaming" � suggests that he still hasn't come back to the fold. But who cares, because behold: "Keep Watch," the first single from the album, and the first new Wu-Tang cut since last year's "Family Reunion."

GZA, Method Man, Cappadonna, and Inspectah Deck hold court over a DJ Mathematics beat that hews to the classic, liquid-funk style of his mentor, RZA, but the song's biggest surprise is a soulful turn from a Fort Greene singer named Nathaniel.

"Keep Watch" is available now from the WU Music Group's online store, and A Better Tomorrow is available for pre-order, "in the works and almost ready to ship." Let's just hope that title isn't inspired by Stephen Colbert's motto of infinite deferral: "Making a better tomorrow, tomorrow."

If yes, that is a great look. Congrats!

CRY YOU LITTLE FUCKING PUSSIES ASS DWEEBS!!!!!

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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I get why him and Kanye get along.

i called this a publicity stunt in the other thread
and i still think it is, but it has worked brilliantly
there's no way to possibly hate on this
now everybody knows that better tomorrow is coming out
and the $5mil+ they get for the museum album is an order of magnitude more than what they made off of 8 diagrams sells
raekwon, ugod and all those other wu dudes living in apartments and bitching about rza controlling the brand need to stfu after this

>i called this a publicity stunt in the other thread
>and i still think it is, but it has worked brilliantly
>there's no way to possibly hate on this
>now everybody knows that better tomorrow is coming out
>and the $5mil+ they get for the museum album is an order of
>magnitude more than what they made off of 8 diagrams sells
>raekwon, ugod and all those other wu dudes living in
>apartments and bitching about rza controlling the brand need
>to stfu after this
>


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing

Bumpin in the STEREO:
Gladys Knight&The Pips
Toni/Babyface-L,M,&D
Abbey Lincoln-Wholly Earth
Dianne Reeves-Beautiful Life
La La-Self titled

Actually, this is pretty smart...especially if the buyer of the CD gains the rights to resell it.
If it were to sell at 5 million, the Wu gets paid up front...and the buyer could resell a double
album digitally at $17. If the buyer sells 300,000 copies, he/she breaks even...which is possible
due to Wu's core fan base plus all of the hype generated from the media. Crazy as it sounds...
not only could this work, BUT I could see other artists potentially trying to do the same thing...

a pop in 2014

talk about delusional, wow

this is exactly why RZA is running this hustle, bc he knows he cant legit sell enough copies of this OR THE ACTUAL "COMBACK ALBUM" to make what he wants, shit might not even recoup the costs! lol

yall learned nothing from how they pimped their customers w/ 12 Reasons/Brown Tape, huh?

that said, im putting my money on "A Better Tomorrow" reaching Detox and Act 2 status

LOL, I'm not in total disagreement with U. Thing is, just off of the hype alone they can do
some solid indie numbers...even if it is a Wu-affiliate album in disguise! U can't sleep off
of their international fan base...even in 2014. If the buyer isn't allowed to resell, though??
In that case, I couldn't see the logic in it from the buyer's perspective (especially if it leaked,
LOL)...BUT the Wu would still benefit.

and I'm not sure that album ever cracked six figures.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Yeah, it cracked 6 figures...in fact, it did almost 70,000 the first week.

and i love the museum tour idea...

nothing else to say really, thought idea was ridic, but he is winning

majorly

just checking

didn't he say he wanted to show that people value art or something like that

welp, we have the proof

>didn't he say he wanted to show that people value art or
>something like that
>
>welp, we have the proof


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

this is trying to gas some rich sucker up to buy a Cilvaringz compilation album

cmon

if anything it will devalue the art just like that Magna Carta bullshit

Nor was that a good way for you to get put on

I heard your beats on Bandcamp...ouch, nigga

Drums please

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

>


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

but yeah, i'm contacting all the chitlin circuit clubs in the south as we speak tryna get my man back on so chill

Not really trying to shit on your career, but there's a reason you're
bitter

You have some decent cadence but are sort of a cornball and you
shouldn't come with the gun talk...you're a rich kid, stick to your
guns

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

AND YO BITCH ON HER KNEES GIVIN ME MOTIVATION FEEL ME

I KNOW SHE LEAKED THE TAPE TO YOU JUST LIKE I LEAKED MY BABIES ON HER CARAMEL TATAS

...s

but more power to that guy. i'm not sure what the end game is supposed to be but he's generating a ton of publicity now

watch him turn around and say "oh well since so many people are willing to pay this kind of money i'll go ahead and make it more commercially available. buy it on itunes next week!"

nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah

I don't think anybody in the US would ever pay $1 million or even $5 million dollars for an one exclusive Wu-Tang album especially when you can sign the clan to an one album deal for less than 1/10 of that price; but overseas, people are still buying physical cds & vinyl in great abundance when in the US it's a dying breed now that paid & bootleg downloading is king.

All I can say is good luck to RZA and hopefully this doesn't start a trend.

>All I can say is good luck to RZA and hopefully this doesn't
>start a trend.
>
>
>

the thing is this thing can't really start a trend because most artists don't have that "edge" for a lack of better term like Wu-tang does. And I don't think Wu-tang or the RZA can do this too many times after this, or even maybe one more time after this.

but....

for those artists who do set off something special in the music world, those artists SHOULD do something like this.

because....

We've had over a decade of the "fans" glorifying "free" music. There should be those "special" bands who get a BIG payday from some rich person(s) who be willing to pay for something "exclusive". This should be done because "fans" have rejoiced that music seemingly "has NO value (financially)" (or doesn't have the value music once had).

But it won't be that much of a trend because it confuses (or might confuse) whether the artist will lose all rights to the music on the LP and then the artists might start crying about the person who bought the exclusive LP licensing the music in all sorts of embarassing situations/contexts - some artists won't want that to possibly happen.

From http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2015/03/method-man-wu-tang-clan-album-88-years/

"Fuck that album," he said. “I’m tired of this shit and I know everybody else is tired of it, too. Fuck that album, if that’s what they are doing. I haven’t heard anything like that, but if they’re doing crap like that, fuck that album. Straight up. I’m just keeping it 100. When music can’t be music and y’all turning it into something else, fuck that."

"Give it to the people," he continued. "If they want to hear the shit, let them have it. Give it away free. I don’t give a fuck; that ain’t making nobody rich or poor. Give the fucking music out. Stop playing with the public, man."

End Swipe

Has there been a Wu album since Forever that isn't immediately disowned by the group's most prominent members after its release?

>Has there been a Wu album since Forever that isn't immediately
>disowned by the group's most prominent members after its
>release?

*outside of 4 tracks

Ghost's latest album is miles above it.



Since 1976

Nardwuar: "Why should people care?"
Archy: "You don't have to care. I don't care. If you like it, you like it."

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933

I'm not mad to see them get paid and I know they would've made much less by going through a distributor.

But hasn't Wu-Tang built their brand on authenticity, respect, and making music from the heart. They've also clowned other artists for commercial ventures. And Wu-Tang is for the children right?

Again, I'd like to see them rewarded for their product, but this seems very contradictory to some of the principles that they stood on so I could definitely understand why some fans and members of the group aren't cool with this.

But on the other hand, maybe RZA has other reasons for doing this and just has yet to disclose them. Maybe this is all for publicity. Still, this seems inconsistent with the Wu-Tang brand.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2015/11/24/new-details-emerge-on-wu-tang-clan-secret-album-sale/

In two separate pieces this week, FORBES broke the news that the Wu-Tang Clan had sold its secret album to an unknown bidder. Today, new details are beginning to emerge.

According to a release by Paddle8, the upstart auction house that sold the double-album, Once Upon A Time In Shaolin has been sold to a “private American collector” for a price “in the millions.” The sale was agreed upon in May, but it took months to finalize contracts and legal protections for the unusual record.

“The Wu-Tang Clan have always been driven by innovation, and this marks another moment in musical history,” said Wu-Tang cofounder RZA in the statement, adding that the group would donate a significant portion of the proceeds to charity. “From the beginning, we hoped that this concept would inspire debate and new ways of seeing creativity. Both of those goals have been achieved, and the ideas continue to evolve.”

Though the precise amount of the sale has not been revealed, Paddle8 says it makes Once Upon A Time In Shaolin the most expensive single album ever sold, topping Jack White’s $300,000 purchase of a rare acetate recording of Elvis Presley’s first song.

“We pioneered a new type of intellectual property regarding the sale of a work that is simultaneously physical and digital, creating previously unexplored legal protections for a unique work that cannot be reproduced,” added Paddle8 cofounder Alexander Gilkes. “This marks an exciting new model of distribution for the music world and we look forward to playing an ongoing role in this innovative model.”

yes!

RZA won, you stinking nerds

Purchased the album in May for $2 million. Saving it for a rainy day......

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-martin-shkreli-wu-tang-clan-album/

for what was a rather nauseating idea to begin with...


-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

yes

RZA won

http://mixmag.net/read/martin-shkreli-is-selling-his-one-of-a-kind-wu-tang-album-on-ebay-news

MARTIN SHKRELI IS SELLING HIS ONE-OF-A-KIND WU-TANG ALBUM ON EBAY

Let the bidding war begin

HARRISON WILLIAMS 6 SEPTEMBER 2017


​Martin Shkreli is selling his one-of-a-kind Wu-Tang album on eBay
Former pharmaceutical executive Martin Shkreli has announced he is selling his one one-of-a-kind Wu-Tang album titled 'Once Upon A Time In Shaolin', which he purchased for $2 million.
Shkreli, who is facing a jail term for being found guilty of federal fraud, recently posted an eBay listing with information about the unique album, why he purchased it and his view on the backlash he received after his initial purchase.

“I decided to purchase this album as a gift to the Wu-Tang Clan for their tremendous musical output. Instead I received scorn from at least one of their (least-intelligent) members, and the world at large failed to see my purpose of putting a serious value behind music. I will be curious to see if the world values music nearly as much as I have.”

So far the eBay listing has received 200 bids with the highest bid submitted at $100,100. That being said, Shkreli may never sell it for such a low price, even though apparently he’s not selling it to make money.

“At any time I may cancel this sale and I may even break this album in frustration. I will donate half of the sale proceeds to medical research. I am not selling to raise cash--my companies and I have record amounts of cash on hand. I hope someone with a bigger heart for music can be found for this one-of-a-kind piece and makes it available for the world to hear.”

View the full listing here:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/132319745117?afsrc=1&rmvSB=true&clk_rvr_id=1303111240277&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true

The only question I had, dude answered:

Q: Are there any legal limitations that would prohibit the buyer from releasing the album for sale to the public on itunes or other music platforms? Sep-06-17

A: A buyer would not be allowed to release the product on iTunes or other channels without permission of the Wu-Tang Clan.

and LOL @

Q: How would you rank order the intelligence of Wu-Tang Clan members from top to bottom? Sep-06-17
A: GZA > Method Man > *

>“At any time I may cancel this sale and I may even break
>this album in frustration.

>I hope someone with a bigger heart for music can be found for
>this one-of-a-kind piece and makes it available for the world
>to hear.”

Can we (we meaning someone else other than me) get a Kickstarter going to pay for the album and then we just put it out....or give it back to the RZA?

Is that a possible thing?
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Q: Can I doodle a little happy face on the cover and insist it's a meaningful change so I can then flip it on ebay for 56 times what it originally cost me? Or is only acceptable to do that for things people need to survive? Sep-06-17

A: i think you're confused about the value of medicines for rare diseases. my guess is you know nothing about this topic and therefore should keep your thoughts and opinions to yourself.



Q: If I purchase this album, how will I know for certain that you don't have a vagina? Sep-06-17

A: those are two separate and distinct questions

"thanks! I will give it the attention it deserves" WOW this keeps getting better.

Https://Www.Bloomberg.Com/News/Features/2017-09-14/Martin-Shkreli-S-2-Million-Wu-Tang-Album-Might-Not-Be-A-Wu-Tang-Album


Martin Shkreli’s $2 Million Wu-Tang Album Might Not Be a Wu-Tang Album
Was a man convicted of fraud misled about the most expensive record ever sold?


By Devin Leonard and Annmarie Hordern

September 14, 2017, 2:43 PM EDT

The rapper Killa Sin didn’t think he was contributing verses to a Wu-Tang Clan record a few years ago when he stood before a microphone in a hotel room in Staten Island, N.Y. A Moroccan producer known as Cilvaringz had flown in for the sessions because Killa Sin, whose real name is Jeryl Grant, was barred from travel by the terms of his parole.

Like any good clan, Wu-Tang is a network that extends from core members to bit players; it can be hard for outsiders to say with complete confidence who’s in or out at any time. Killa Sin is a gifted lyricist with a different crew, Killarmy, which is part of the Wu-Tang’s extended “family,” but as he understood it, the work he was doing with Cilvaringz wasn’t an official Wu-Tang project.

“The way he presented it,” Killa Sin says of his recording with Cilvaringz, “was it was going to be basically his album, and he wanted me to do some work for him.” He later learned his verses ended up on the Wu-Tang Clan’s Once Upon a Time in Shaolin, the most expensive record ever sold. Virtually nobody has heard the entire recording, perhaps not even the jailed executive who owns the only copy in existence.

Martin Shkreli, who became notorious as the boyish Pharma Bro after he raised the price of a lifesaving drug by 5,000 percent, paid $2 million in a 2015 auction for the album. He owns the rights to do anything he pleases with it, except sell copies. But interviews with rappers and managers involved in the recording raise questions about its provenance and value: Is Once Upon a Time in Shaolin a true Wu-Tang Clan album? Or did Shkreli pay lavishly for the work of a little-known producer with a peripheral link to the storied rap group?

Shkreli, who currently faces a prison sentence for fraud, may himself have been played.

The 34-year-old founder of the pharmaceutical company Turing Pharmaceuticals, Shkreli took possession of the 31-track double CD and its ornate, hand-carved box around the time he became a public pariah for raising the price on an antiparasitic pill called Daraprim from $13.50 to $750. He would later be convicted in August of defrauding investors, a consequence of his previous incarnation as a hedge fund manager. While awaiting sentencing in that case, he managed to get into more trouble: A federal judge on Wednesdayrevoked Shkreli’s bail after he offered his Facebook followers $5,000 for a lock of Hillary Clinton’s hair.

Now, as Shkreli sits in a federal jail in Brooklyn, the fate of Once Upon a Time in Shaolin appears to be up in the air again. Shkreli posted the one-and-only copy to EBay last week, and the online auction for the record is scheduled to end Friday night. “I have not carefully listened to the album,” Shkreli wrote in his description of the auction.

Killa Sin isn’t the only person involved in the mysterious, years-long production of the record who doesn’t see it as a Wu-Tang project. Two charter members of the rap group, through their managers, also described it as an undertaking of Tarik Azzougarh, the real name of Cilvaringz.

“It’s not an authorized Wu-Tang Clan album,” says Domingo Neris, the manager of the rapper U-God, a charter member of the Clan. “It never was.”

“When we did the verses, it was for a Cilvaringz album,” says James Ellis, manager of Method Man, another core member of the group. “How it became a Wu-Tang album from there? We have no knowledge of that.”

Cilvaringz chose not to respond in detail to questions about the record’s genesis. “The album and its concept were an evolutionary process that spanned six years, too complex to explain in a soundbite,” he said in a statement. “All participating Wu-Tang artists were paid in advance while RZA and I bore the financial risk of the project.”

Shkreli also declined to discuss Once Upon a Time in Shaolin. He responded to an email earlier this week with “hahahahahahahahahahahaha” before castigating Bloomberg LP, which publishes financial data and news. “Bloomberg is an overpriced, legacy software system that subsidizes a money-losing media company,” Shkreli wrote. “This state of affairs will soon change.”

The accounts of Killa Sin and the representatives of U-God and Method Man echo a tale circulating on hip-hop websites: Once Upon a Time in Shaolin began as an undertaking by Cilvaringz, who later persuaded RZA, the de facto leader of the Wu-Tang Clan, to endorse the project and make the record more valuable. (RZA and his representatives did not respond to interview requests.)

This differs from the story given by RZA and Cilvaringz when they were auctioning the album through Paddle8, an online auction startup. The two men, who were identified during the auction as co-producers, described the album as an effort by the entire Clan to restore the value of music at a time when listeners can download almost any release without paying. They said members recorded their parts separately and that only the two producers had heard the entire finished product.

“The album was recorded in secret with the members not knowing the exact outcome,” RZA said in March 2015. “But when we announced it to them that this was the plan, everybody agreed that this was a very unique idea.”

Neris, who manages U-God, says the real story is that Cilvaringz gathered verses over the years from Clan members for his own projects and later stitched them together to make Once Upon a Time in Shaolin without the full group’s permission. “We’re very detailed about the quality and how we put our best foot forward,” Neris says. “We would never have authorized anyone to put together a project and call it a Wu-Tang Clan record without us ever looking at it, hearing it, or being in the same room together. That’s just the way these guys work.”

U-God sued Wu-Tang Productions Inc. and RZA in New York State Supreme Court last year, saying he hadn’t been paid for his work on Once Upon a Time in Shaolin, among other things. His manager says that case is pending.

The rapper Shyheim Franklin, another member of the extended Wu-Tang network whose work has been praised by Jay-Z, tells a similar story. He says he went into a studio on Staten Island with Cilvaringz about five years ago to add verses to one of the producer’s records. “He did mention it being a project he was trying to produce with everyone on it,” Franklin says. “There wasn’t the assumption that it would be a Wu-Tang album.”

Franklin, whose name is on a track list for Once Upon a Time in Shaolin that has circulated online, says he can’t be sure he’s on the record but he’d like to find out. “I’d like my cut of that $2 million,” Franklin says by telephone from Washington Correctional Facility in upstate New York, where he’s serving a maximum sentence of 14 years for second-degree manslaughter.

He also wouldn’t mind having a conversation with Shkreli: “Tell him there is an unreleased Shyheim album he can buy if he wants,” Franklin says, laughing.

For Killa Sin, the experience has been particularly disheartening. He says he had been off the scene for a while and was looking for a way to get back in front of the public. He had previously worked with Cilvaringz, a RZA protégé, and liked his style. When he complained about the low fee Cilvaringz offered, the response underscored that this wasn’t a project affiliated with one of the most beloved rap groups. “He said, ‘I’m doing this all out of my pocket, and I don’t have a big budget,’” Killa Sin recalls.

Killa Sin says he pressed Cilvaringz to let him hear some of the record so he could write better verses and immediately recognized old friends from the Wu-Tang Clan such as Raekwon and Inspectah Deck. “Of course,” he says, “I’ve been associated with those guys for the better part of 20 years.” He figured the Cilvaringz album would be a good one and he’d have more chances to reco

But in 2015, Killa Sin was convicted of criminal weapons possession and received a 16-years-to-life sentence. He’s currently at Sing Sing Correctional Facility in Ossining, N.Y. Later that same year, RZA and Cilvaringz sold Once Upon a Time in Shaolin to Shkreli, who has kept the album under wraps for the most part, although he did play some of it online after the election of Donald Trump.

In a telephone call from prison, Killa Sin laments that he wasted his verses on an album that may never be heard by Wu-Tang Clan fans. He also resents the way Cilvaringz treated him and the rest of the Clan members and their affiliates.

“It’s an insult,” Killa Sin says. “It’s like f--- everybody else. I’m going to get mine. He probably thought, ‘We’re onto something. We can really get some money for this.’ But you got to stop and say, ‘How would my brothers feel?’”

Among Wu-Tang fans, there’s also been the perception of insult around the album—only it’s Shkreli who supposedly denigrated the rap group by withholding the music from the public and using his control over the album to draw attention to himself. A potential juror dismissed from Shkreli’s fraud trial articulated this view. “Your Honor, totally he is guilty and in no way can I let him slide out of anything,” explained Juror No. 59, according to a court transcript. After the judge dismissed the candidate, Juror No. 59 added: “And he disrespected the Wu-Tang Clan.”

Shkreli used the EBay auction for Once Upon a Time in Shaolin to express his own hurt feelings at being misunderstood. His purchase was intended to be “a gift to the Wu-Tang Clan,” he wrote. “he world at large failed to see my purpose of putting a serious value behind music. I will be curious to see if the world values music nearly as much as I have.”

The highest bid so far: $1,006,400.


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https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2017/09/15/why-once-upon-a-time-in-shaolin-is-a-wu-tang-album/#1b314fc8729e

Alas, Martin Shkreli Did Buy A Real Wu-Tang Album


Zack O'Malley Greenburg , FORBES STAFF


As much as we'd all like to believe that disgraced pharma bro Martin Shkreli has been duped, he hasn't.

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton may only agree on one thing: that Martin Shkreli is despicable. Two years ago, after the former pharma executive raised the price of a drug used to treat infections in AIDS patients by 5,000%, Clinton fumed about his "price-gouging," while Trump dubbed his actions "disgusting." Shkreli's stench crossed oceans: the BBC called him "the most hated man in America."

People love to hate on Shkreli--currently in jail after violating his bail on a fraud conviction for publicly offering $5,000 for a strand of Clinton's hair--and rightly so. That's probably why a Bloomberg story suggesting that the erstwhile executive was duped intospending $2 million for the Wu-Tang Clan's secret album, The Wu ... Once Upon A Time In Shaolin, has been getting so much traction this week. The piece, while deeply reported and elegantly written, revolves around a three-year-old argument that the record is not actually a Wu-Tang record. It is, by any reasonable definition. But first, let's back up a bit.

In 2014, Forbes first broke the news of the Wu-Tang Clan's secret album. Once Upon A Time In Shaolin, produced by Wu affiliate Tarik "Cilvaringz" Azzougarh and championed by group ringleader Robert "RZA" Diggs, had been produced in Morocco with new verses from the group's original members and was sitting in a safe, awaiting purchase. There was a catch: the album would only be sold to a single buyer who would be contractually unable to release it to the public.


“We’re about to sell an album like nobody else sold it before,” said RZA, the first Wu-Tang member to speak on record about Once Upon A Time In Shaolin. “We’re about to put out a piece of art like nobody else has done in the history of music. We’re making a single-sale collector’s item. This is like somebody having the scepter of an Egyptian king."

In the two years that followed, RZA spoke frequently of his plan to use the album as a way to reestablish the value of recorded music, placing it on the same level as the fine arts. He wanted to bring back the model of wealthy patrons hiring musicians to create one-of-a-kind works--and move toward a world where the priciest albums could rival the most expensive paintings. Everything seemed to be going according to plan, and in 2016 the album was sold to a wealthy pharmaceutical executive for $2 million. The problem: it was Shrkeli. RZA and Cilvaringz either realized too late, or simply didn't care, about his odious track record. And when faced with a backlash over the news, they announced they'd donate a portion of the proceeds to charity.

From the beginning of the process, though, many Wu-Tang fans were understandably incensed about Once Upon A Time In Shaolin. They hated the idea that their favorite group would create an album that wasn't for them, and many of them began trashing Cilvaringz on the web soon after the news broke in 2014. Some suggested that, because he wasn't a charter member of the Wu-Tang Clan, the record was a fraud. His diplomaticresponse: "People are responding to it in a very interesting way ... and it's starting the things we wanted to start: debates."

Cilvaringz's involvement in the album, and his status with the group, wasn't some big secret. A simple web search reveals the nine members of Wu-Tang, and he clearly isn't one of them. So to say that Shkreli was "misled" is, well, misleading. The debates were out there in the open, and Shkreli, with even a few minutes of due diligence, should have been able to catch himself up on the debate.

That aside, Once Upon A Time In Shaolin bears all the markings of a Wu-Tang album. As one of the few people who's heard several minutes of it, I can say with certainty that it sounds like a Wu-Tang album, bringing all the vivid urgency of 1990s New York into your eardrums. It looks like a Wu-Tang album, with the group's cherished--and undoubtedly legally protected--logo on its handcrafted silver-and-nickel cover. And, most importantly of all, it features the group's original members, championed most prominently by RZA, the man who molded Wu-Tang from a loose confederation of (mostly) Staten Island rappers into an official group.

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Is Martin Shkreli’s $2 Million Wu-Tang Clan Album A Fake?

News 14 Hours Ago Page Six — Laura Italiano

Notorious “Pharma Bro” and convicted fraudster Martin Shkreli may have himself been defrauded — when he shelled out $2 million for the only copy of Wu-Tang Clan’s “secret” collector’s album last year,Bloomberg reports.

The one-of-a-kind, 21-track double-CD — titled “Once Upon A Time in Shaolin” — was made by “a little-known producer with a peripheral link to the storied rap group,” Bloomberg said after on-the-record interviews with a trio of artists and managers connected to the project.

The three say artists who rapped for the album — some as long as five years ago — never knew they were working for Wu-Tang at the time and never authorized it being used on the album.

They dismiss the producer who put it together, Tarik Azzougarh, aka “Cilvaringz,” as a newcomer to Wu-Tang.

Artists were told that their recordings would be “for a Cilvaringz album,” said one of the managers, James Ellis, who reps core Wu-Tanger Method Man.

“How it became a Wu-Tang album from there? We have no knowledge of that,” Ellis said.

The three men are also disgruntled over never having heard the album in its entirety and not knowing to what extent their work is on it — and whether they should be compensated with a chunk of Shkreli’s $2 million.

“It’s not an authorized Wu-Tang Clan album,” said Domingo Neris, who reps charter Wu-Tang rapper U-God.

“We’re very detailed about the quality and how we put our best foot forward,” Neris said.

“We would never have authorized anyone to put together a project and call it a Wu-Tang Clan record without us ever looking at it, hearing it, or being in the same room together,” Neris said.

“That’s just the way these guys work.”

Bloomberg reached out to Shkreli for comment on whether he thought he’d been conned into buying a less-than-genuine Wu-Tang album.

He emailed in response, “hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

“Bloomberg is an overpriced, legacy software system that subsidizes a money-losing media company,” added Shkreli, who since that response has been ordered held in federal lockup pending his January sentencing date.

It’s unclear what impact his status as a guest of Brooklyn’s Metropolitan Detention Center will have on his own ongoing auction of the album on ebay. Posted for auction two weeks ago, bidding had topped out this week at $1,006,600.

Speculation over the legitimacy of the album has swirled among Wu-Tang fans since founding member RZA announced in 2014 that it would be filled with never-before-heard verses from original members — and that only a single copy would be auctioned at a starting price of $1 million.

Fans were angry that they couldn’t hear the music themselves — and then became incensed when it was purchased by Shkreli, the former drug company exec who’s widely derided for hiking the price of an AIDS drug by 5,000 percent.

But in an opinion piece published Friday on Forbes.com, staffer Zack O’Malley Greenburg points out that everyone — Shkreli included — knew all along that the album’s producer, Cilvaringz, was not a founding Wu-Tang member.

The album is genuinely the work of Wu-Tang founding members, regardless of what they are saying now about the recording and producing process, he argues.

“As one of the few people who’s heard several minutes of it, I can say with certainty that it sounds like a Wu-Tang album, bringing all the vivid urgency of 1990s New York into your eardrums,” he writes.

If you're RZA, you'd better get out there and insist it's a real Wu Tang album. Shkreli is such a petty douchebag he would sue if it wasn't the album it was sold as.

The Cilvaringz was recording one of his compilations/albums, and after the fact tried to brand it as a Wu-Tang Album after he got all of the surviving members to record verses for it individually. Probably features a lot of Wu-Tang affiliates all over it.

What's also depressing to me is seeing the guys like Killa Sin and Shyheim are now facing lengthy bids. Killa Sin facing 16 to life? WTF?

Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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https://www.spin.com/2017/12/martin-shkreli-wu-tang-clan-album-feds/

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The Feds Are After Martin Shkreli’s Wu-Tang Album

Brian Josephs // December 1, 2017


After losing his freedom, Martin Shkreli might also lose his Wu-Tang Clan album. On Thursday, prosecutors asked Brooklyn Federal Court Judge Kiyo Matsumoto to seize $7.4 million in assets from the pharmaceutical CEO-turned-convict. The assets include Lil Wayne’s unreleased album Tha Carter V, an Enigma machine from World War II, and the world’s only copy of Once Upon a Time in Shaolin. Shkreli’s lawyer Ben Brafman told CNNMoney in an email that Shkreli’s team will “will vigorously oppose the government motion.”

The news caps off what’s been a comically bad fourth quarter for someone who enjoyed playing a cartoonish villain. Wu-Tang members U-God and Method Man told Bloomberg that Once Upon a Time in Shaolin is essentially a project from producer Cilvaringz that merely features Wu-Tang verses, raising the question of if it’s really a Wu-Tang Clan album (the recently released Wu-Tang: The Saga Continues, a DJ Mathematics project, has a similar distinction). Shkreli is currently in a Brooklyn jail where he faces 20 years in prison after being convicted on two counts of fraud and one count of conspiracy. He’s scheduled to be sentenced January 16, 2018.

http://www.okayplayer.com/music/who-has-the-2-million-dollar-wu-tang-album.html

CULTURE \

Federal Judge Orders Martin Shkreli to Forfeit Wu-Tang Clan Album

Maggie Serota // March 5, 2018


Judge Orders Martin Shkreli to Forfeit Wu-Tang CD

As part of his conviction for securities fraud, Judge Kiyo Matsumoto ordered Martin Shkreli to forfeit $7.36 million in assets, including the Wu-Tang Clan album Once Upon a Time in Shaolin, CNBC reports. “Pharma Bro” Shkreli paid $2 million for the lone copy of Once Upon a Time in Shaolin in 2015 through a private broker.

Other assets Shkreli will most likely have to fork over include the Lil’ Wayne album Tha Carter V, a Pablo Picasso painting, and his $5 million bond.

Shkreli is currently in jail awaiting sentencing on March 9. His conviction stems from charges that he defrauded investors in Retrophin, the pharmaceutical company he co-founded. He was ousted as CEO of the company in 2014.

Shkreli is facing upwards of 10 years in federal prison.

An order to give up the Wu album.

Tell me this judge isn’t a HipHop head on the low lmao

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werd.

That way a rich Wu-Tang fanboy will buy it and prolly drop it for free.

...or RZA buys it back for way lower than what he got for it.

getting the Wu more positive attention and good will than if they actually just RELEASED the album.

Way more people talked about this than A Better Tomorrow & The Saga Continues (I was one of few people who would publicly admit to liking these albums, but oh well)

Wu Tang always seemed kind of larger than life and mythical, so it makes sense they would get tangled in an absurd series of events involving an cartoonishly evil Billionaire and Bill Murray.

yep

https://slate.com/culture/2018/04/james-comey-takes-photo-with-method-man-ghostface-killah.html