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2877631, dont young thug (& his hype) prove lord jamar's point Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 10:19 AM
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i'm just saying
http://bossip.com/936952/suspect-stoner-young-thug-admits-to-wearing-little-girl-dresses-and-says-rappers-will-be-wearing-them-soon/
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2877634, That's them young dudes Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Mar-26-14 10:32 AM
my era wasn't on that shit.
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2877635, gay culture shouldn't be in hip-hop? Posted by Menphyel7, Wed Mar-26-14 10:34 AM
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2877640, it def has a place Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Mar-26-14 10:41 AM
if people don't dig it, just don't listen to it.
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2877698, RE: gay culture shouldn't be in hip-hop? Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:10 PM
no his point is that mainstream corporations own hip hop and are using it to market "lifestyles" to the hood
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2877870, lol "lifestyles" say Gay stop fronting Posted by Menphyel7, Thu Mar-27-14 10:52 AM
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2877876, RE: lol "lifestyles" say Gay stop fronting Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 12:50 PM
gay means happy homeboy
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2877914, ok man Posted by Menphyel7, Thu Mar-27-14 03:04 PM
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2877639, 2 things though Posted by BigReg, Wed Mar-26-14 10:38 AM
1)After being hypermasculine SOOOOOO long it moved into clearly parody territory, it's not surprising that there would be an era of blowback
2)Considering the loads of articles about how gender roles are changing/new roles men, etc...it it really surprising it filtered down to hip-hop?
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2877660, ^^^ Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 12:41 PM
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2877703, #2 especially Posted by zuma1986, Wed Mar-26-14 03:34 PM
I mean Mos Def said it best
"Listen.. people be askin me all the time, "Yo Mos, what's gettin ready to happen with Hip-Hop?" (Where do you think Hip-Hop is goin?) I tell em, "You know what's gonna happen with Hip-Hop? Whatever's happening with us" If we smoked out, Hip-Hop is gonna be smoked out If we doin alright, Hip-Hop is gonna be doin alright People talk about Hip-Hop like it's some giant livin in the hillside comin down to visit the townspeople We +are+ Hip-Hop Me, you, everybody, we are Hip-Hop So Hip-Hop is goin where we goin So the next time you ask yourself where Hip-Hop is goin ask yourself.. where am I goin? How am I doin? Til you get a clear idea"
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2877707, this is wrong though Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:50 PM
because hip hop is owned and controlled… (chuck dont call it black can these days now does he?)
hip hop useta follow the people… but now its the opposite
viacom clear channel seagrams
own hip hop. they set the direction.
theres more mini madlibs and dills out there than there are POP rappers…
but whats considered hip hop
what has the influence
who is directing it?
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2877736, Man, shut the fuck up Posted by BigReg, Wed Mar-26-14 05:39 PM
Like Run DMC wast cashing corporate yt checks, fucking sweatshop checks at that. Touring with the Beasties
Y'all gonna have to do harder to justify hating fags(c), revisonist ass niggas.
>because hip hop is owned and controlled… (chuck dont call it >black can these days now does he?) > >hip hop useta follow the people… but now its the opposite > >viacom >clear channel >seagrams > >own hip hop. they set the direction. > >theres more mini madlibs and dills out there than there are >POP rappers… > >but whats considered hip hop > >what has the influence > >who is directing it?
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2877772, lol Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 07:11 PM
you a dummy
who said run-dmc wasn't getting money…
what i said was that corporate forces didn't dictate the trends in hip hop in the early days (definitely not as far as fashion)...
run dmc was on a fucking independent lol
adidas told them to rock the fat laces right…dont tie em up
fucking herb
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2877742, Read The Big Payback by Dan Charnas Posted by mrshow, Wed Mar-26-14 06:01 PM
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2877773, wow wow wow. you askin these dudes to read? Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 07:20 PM
flag on the play
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2877776, Ha! Posted by mrshow, Wed Mar-26-14 07:34 PM
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2877780, post up ya degrees homey Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 07:50 PM
exactly
i forgot more than you ever read
make me laugh and point out something that sounds unintelligent.
i bet you start saying a whole bunch of shit i didn't even say
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2877824, Lmao! You wild, dude. Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:12 AM
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2877649, yeah, because two b/c of the two most popular black artists... Posted by Small Pro, Wed Mar-26-14 11:19 AM
...(prince and mj) weren't pretty dern feminine in the 80's
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2877695, the difference between then and now... Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:03 PM
is in the 80s cats was dressed as performers/entertainers
NOBODY dressed like prince or michael jackson and brothers called em out on that BS then too
prince didn't even dress like prince out the glare of the cameras
smh
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2877871, Charlie Murphy said everyone had on some fruity shit back then? Posted by Menphyel7, Thu Mar-27-14 10:53 AM
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2877656, gangstalicious in the flesh Posted by LES, Wed Mar-26-14 12:11 PM
I always thought that episode was way too cartoonish but damn photographic evidence of a mainstream rapper in a skirt
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2877662, have you not seen Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 12:45 PM
Ye Mos Def Omar Epps
all in "skirts" recently
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2877825, Hell Dre3k wore a full dress Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:14 AM
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2877664, he's obviously fuckin with folks Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 12:46 PM
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2877675, Not really because he tries to rewrite history Posted by Luke Cage, Wed Mar-26-14 01:38 PM
Hip Hop came right off of the heels of Disco and was highly influenced by P Funk (who had a member wearing a wedding dress on stage) and of course Prince who debuted basically when commercial Hip Hop was born. Bambatta, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 and others all wore feminine shit long before any of these current dudes were born. Jamar likes to conveniently leave that out or say "oh well I wasn't really feeling that either" but the fact is dating back to the roots of Hip Hop there has been some "suspect" shit being worn by many of the genre's pioneers.
http://www.jhrlmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/grandmaster-flash-furious_five_fashion_small.jpg
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2877680, yep...and thats where the argument stops prettty much Posted by Kosa12, Wed Mar-26-14 01:46 PM
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2877696, and ppl dissed the shit out of that too lol Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:07 PM
why is run-dmc so big???
because they were the first cats to present the hip hop image
flash and them were following the cot dayum disco cats. there weren't doing their own thing
if you went to the parks people were dressed like that? lol
i digress….
run-dmc defined hip hops look. the cats that came b4 were following the disco tradition.
run-dmc followed JMJ street couture style
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2877779, People partied their ass off to them dudes Posted by Luke Cage, Wed Mar-26-14 07:47 PM
The same way they partied to P Funk & Prince. If those dudes were "dissed" so hard their would have never been a platform for Run DMC to take it to the next level. They themselves were huge fans of Flash & Cold Crush so don't try and make it seem as if they weren't the stars of their era because of how they dressed.
>why is run-dmc so big??? > >because they were the first cats to present the hip hop image > > >flash and them were following the cot dayum disco cats. there >weren't doing their own thing > >if you went to the parks people were dressed like that? lol
We're talking about the 70's. People didn't look to rappers to "represent thug life" or any of the common goofy shit that goes on now. They were seen as entertainers and entertainers have always been able to get away with wearing crazy shit. > >i digress…. > >run-dmc defined hip hops look. the cats that came b4 were >following the disco tradition. > >run-dmc followed JMJ street couture style
Run DMC defined the next era of Hip Hop look by appropriating what dudes in the street were wearing. The average joe wasn't wearing all leather outfits...that was an image. Just like Flash, Bambatta and all of the other's had an image.. You can't just erase the pioneers influence or act like people weren't feeling them simply because you don't like their style in retrospect.
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2877783, reading is fundamental Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 08:13 PM
1 i said cats dissed them for that shit (how they dressed) and they did. did charlie murphy call em shirts and blouses? you think cats didn't clown em? did i say cats didn't rock to it?
2 run dmc dressed exactly how JMJ dressed lol. If you was a street dude with money in the 80s you did have leather blazers and pants and all kinda fly dapper dan shit
3 if you saying bambatta and flash and them was following the disco shit…you automatically admitting that was a leftover from the previous joint…
4 i know they were entertainers i said that. again my point is that rappers dont wear fucking costumes they dress how people in the streets dress. run dmc looked like cats in the 80s with money to me
5 i said how the pioneers dressed was wack…i bet muscles would admit that shit himself. never called them sack
6 never said anything about thugs and such... read more
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2877843, Let me retort (c) Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 08:20 AM
>1 i said cats dissed them for that shit (how they dressed) >and they did. did charlie murphy call em shirts and blouses? >you think cats didn't clown em? did i say cats didn't rock to >it?
At the time not really. When niggas was rocking the extra smug nuthuggers in lets say Beat Street nobody cared. Of COURSE after the fact we can look back and clown the fashion, EVERYBODY clowns fashion after the fact ie modern rockers making fun of 80's hair metal, etc. Doesn't dispute the fact that androgynous fashion was popular in early hip-hop hey days (along with everyone else in the 80's). AT THE TIME, it was cool.
>2 run dmc dressed exactly how JMJ dressed lol. If you was a >street dude with money in the 80s you did have leather blazers >and pants and all kinda fly dapper dan shit
The thing was there as some pushback, JMJ had to TALK them into going street because it just wasn't popular at the time*. I also find it interesting leather pants gets a pass, lol
>3 if you saying bambatta and flash and them was following the >disco shit…you automatically admitting that was a leftover >from the previous joint…
>4 i know they were entertainers i said that. again my point >is that rappers dont wear fucking costumes they dress how >people in the streets dress. run dmc looked like cats in the >80s with money to me
Very narrow view, but at least you stated "To me" meaning your opinion. At a certain point Run DMC VERY quickly turned into a costume (had to wear addidas 24-7, etc), by the time Tougher Then Leather came around things changed (Look at the fashion in the movie Paid In Full, which took place around that tour). Id also argue that they didn't really set a 'street' trend; Just Ice dressed like a coogi rastafarian, Slick Rick a Pimp, Kool Moe Dee was still rocking Eddie Murphy Leather suits...only thing that they had that was rocked on the street were their gold rope chains.
>5 i said how the pioneers dressed was wack…i bet muscles would >admit that shit himself. never called them sack
See my response to #1, same way if I popped out wearing Karl Kani and Lugz id get clowned; all fashion falls out of style and becomes "wack".
*It sucks LL Cool J killed his career the way he did, because looking at it after the fact not only was he a pioneer MC he was also a pretty fashion forward dude in the 80's.
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2877878, RE: Let me retort (c) Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 12:55 PM
do a search for dapper dan... MCM suits and all that shit
where did mike tyson fight mitch blood green? lol
if you dont think cats was wearing leather blazers and pants you buggin
and the nut huggers in beat street werent no where comparable to the COSTUMES entertainers wore. they didnt even STYLE loose fitting clothes
and JMJ dressed like that. was he a street dude yes? was he the "cool" one yes! lol. cats will argue anything to be right
again...the early rap groups followed a disco style (they made really fast dance tracks too...that didnt sample)
run dmc codified the hip hop style and sound that was found in the parks and on the street
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2877894, do they have on leather pants? Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 01:54 PM
is it the 80s? are they famous? lol
http://static.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/dapperdanlvjackets.jpg
ok..this guy is famous http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.messynessychic.com/static.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/606x1024xdapperdanredgucci.jpg.pagespeed.ic.DHzGob7m1R.jpg and of course
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/photobooth/DAPPERDAN09a.jpg
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2877897, RE: Let me retort (c) Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 02:13 PM
>that androgynous fashion was popular in early hip-hop hey days >(along with everyone else in the 80's). AT THE TIME, it was >cool.
this is an outright lie
i never saw one person dressed like that that wasn't on TV (mellee and bam and them)
and it wasn't considered cool
more rappers DIDNT dress like that
go ahead and write out a list of early rappers
funky four treacherous 3 etc etc
didn't dress like that at all
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2877901, We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point? Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 02:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9O-pUGsVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPplFQyWJh0
and if you want hip-hop movie chock full of questionable fashion choices:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcn3ULXqRos
See, the problem is I have a nuanced view. Were there regular ass dressed dudes back then rapping? YUP. I never said there weren't. However, you aren't going to hear me cop please (those were entertainers! those were costumes!) like you are for those pretty feminine fashion choices alot of early MC's made.
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2877913, RE: We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point? Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 02:59 PM
>See, the problem is I have a nuanced view. Were there regular >ass dressed dudes back then rapping? YUP. I never said there >weren't. However, you aren't going to hear me cop please >(those were entertainers! those were costumes!) like you are >for those pretty feminine fashion choices alot of early MC's >made. > >
good duck and move
the point is MCs and BBoys dressed like the regular folks did
the rappers you are using dressed like that at designated times. they were costumes lol. if you don't understand the concept of costumes I can't help you
and u tried to use some outlier mfers to prove a point some point that was nonsense anyway cuz u ya self said it was a disco leftover. even more to the fact that NOBoDY dressed that stupid shit in the street. do you not see the designation?
the only rappers that dressed like that were the ones signed to majors (surprise) that came right behind disco
smfh
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2877916, RE: We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point? Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 03:10 PM
>>See, the problem is I have a nuanced view. Were there >regular >>ass dressed dudes back then rapping? YUP. I never said >there >>weren't. However, you aren't going to hear me cop please >>(those were entertainers! those were costumes!) like you are >>for those pretty feminine fashion choices alot of early MC's >>made. >> >> > >good duck and move > >the point is MCs and BBoys dressed like the regular folks did > >the rappers you are using dressed like that at designated >times. they were costumes lol. if you don't understand the >concept of costumes I can't help you
I understand the concept of costumes, that's the thing. When Kanye puts on a mask he can't see through or rocks a kilt suddenly its "LIFESTYLE", yet when those old rappers were doing it was "COSTUMES" lol. You are the one moving the goalpost to fit your argument.
>and u tried to use some outlier
You asked me to name some, I did, now they are outliers, foh. Nigga, I gave you a whole movie.
>point that was nonsense anyway cuz u ya self said it was a >disco leftover. even more to the fact that NOBoDY dressed that >stupid shit in the street.
That's the thing actually, we beefing at Young Thug but when I saw him at SXSW dude had a gold chain, white t-shirt, and jeans on stage., OBVIOUSLY he's trolling, or using your vernacular, "A COSTUME"
Are the young hip-hop dudes dressing feminine or just pants that fucking fit as opposed to 20 years of baggy jeans and XXXXL t-shirts
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2877920, RE: We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point? Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 03:33 PM
>I understand the concept of costumes, that's the thing. When >Kanye puts on a mask he can't see through or rocks a kilt >suddenly its "LIFESTYLE", yet when those old rappers were >doing it was "COSTUMES" lol. You are the one moving the >goalpost to fit your argument.
who been wearing costumes in the last 30 years though? lol. you are a thick headed cat. my whole point of bringing run dmc up was to say that's when the hip hop style was introduced and it represented cats on the street and how they dressed. so you saying the old guys were wearing costumes - yes they were because people didn't dress like that walking around. and now u saying these guys is wearing costumes. u only proving my damn point lol
>>and u tried to use some outlier > >You asked me to name some, I did, now they are outliers, foh. > >That's the thing actually, we beefing at Young Thug but when I >saw him at SXSW dude had a gold chain, white t-shirt, and >jeans on stage., OBVIOUSLY he's trolling, or using your >vernacular, "A COSTUME" > >Are the young hip-hop dudes dressing feminine or just pants >that fucking fit as opposed to 20 years of baggy jeans and >XXXXL t-shirts >
I didn't know pants that fit = dresses
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2877921, Where's a pic of Young Thug wearing a dress in the street? Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 03:35 PM
or a pic of Kanye wearing a kilt off stage and not at fashion week
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2877934, n/m Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 04:40 PM
have a nice day
you win
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2877936, you know how bad the streets Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 04:50 PM
dissed breakin'???
lol…thats the most whitified hip hop movie of em all
herbs and johnny come latelys
i swear
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2877943, So is honesty and comprehension Posted by Luke Cage, Thu Mar-27-14 05:23 PM
>1 i said cats dissed them for that shit (how they dressed) >and they did. did charlie murphy call em shirts and blouses? >you think cats didn't clown em? did i say cats didn't rock to >it?
In retrospect people clown styles from the past all the time. It's not as you described "the reason that Run DMC blew up". Never mind the fact that they had Russell Simmons, great songs and times change. Nope boil it all down to how they dressed. > >2 run dmc dressed exactly how JMJ dressed lol. If you was a >street dude with money in the 80s you did have leather blazers >and pants and all kinda fly dapper dan shit
So if that isn't how Run (A PK) and DMC (A good kid who went to St John's) truly dressed and they were just following JMJ's lead then how is that any different than what other folks did? It's still a uniform. Nevermind the fact that it was Russell's suggestion that they all dress alike and use JMJ as the model. If someone is telling you what to wear then guess what..that's a fucking costume. They're first videos and photos after they stopped wearing the plaid jacket that Run used to rock was very much planned and very much a uniform. Even if the idea is "Hey let's dress like dudes in the street" it's still a uniform/costume. > >3 if you saying bambatta and flash and them was following the >disco shit…you automatically admitting that was a leftover >from the previous joint…
Everything is "leftover" from another generation. Hip Hop wasn't the first or only genre were people dressed down to a certain degree. Punk did it (and had a big influence on some early Hip Hop fashion as well) before and so did Country. > >4 i know they were entertainers i said that. again my point >is that rappers dont wear fucking costumes they dress how >people in the streets dress. run dmc looked like cats in the >80s with money to me
But your point is wrong because we already acknowledged that plenty of rappers have worn costumes/stage outfits. Regardless of why it was done it was done. There's never been a time in the genre when some significant portion of the culture didn't have some sort of stage gear on regardless of what that was. Whodini's style was very much a costume. Kwame's polkadots. All leather outfits, Biggie's whole fat dude with style look. the S1-W's look. All of these things are costumes and well thought out and planned. > >5 i said how the pioneers dressed was wack…i bet muscles would >admit that shit himself. never called them sack
The way most dudes dressed 30 or 40 years ago is wack after the fact. Those MCM outfits were wack. Cross Colours was wack. Bell Bottoms were wack. That's what happens with style. Shit changes. > >6 never said anything about thugs and such... read more
I do need to read more...just not your posts because I gain absolutely nothing from it.
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2877976, you and big reg are two of the dumbest Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 08:18 PM
(1) i didn't say the sole reason run-dmc blew up was fashion. that was ya dumb ass imagination. go look. if you think the styling and posturing of the group wasn't a major component to blowing up do you… go watch a documentary. but i was there lol. nobody wanted to be melle mel …everybody wanted to be run.
(2) if you or dumb reg can find one place in the post where my point has been about how the fashion looked (as in my opinion)…i'll wait. my point the whole time has been that the homosexual lifestyle is being marketed to the youth
(3) i said the early village people looking costumes a HANDFUL of rappers wore were costumes. my evidence for this is…THEY DIDNT DRESS LIKE THAT OFF STAGE.
(4) i said rappers dress in the fashion of the streets. theres no difference in how the treacherous 3 dressed or busy bee or funky four etc and how the majority of NYC was dressing…following that from biz markie to YZ all dressed like regular cats. why people started asking questions about 3000? like is he gay? lol cuz he stepped out the comfort zone of dressing like his audience
(5) is young thug wearing a costume? maybe. but it dont matter to my point. in fact i think it strengthens my point. if thats the angle of the marketing…who is it marketed to? lol
smfh
they shoulda never gave you niggers internet. shoulda gave you a library card.
since you wanna read more…hit me up if you interested in psychology. i wrote a really ill thesis on racial identity salience. pretty sure its in the hunter library
http://www.worldcat.org/title/effects-of-a-racial-identity-prime-on-reported-racial-identity-and-race-related-stress/oclc/703723856
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2878006, This from someone who thinks Lord Jamar was right Posted by Luke Cage, Fri Mar-28-14 01:22 AM
The dumbest thing I did was engage anyone who started off a post agreeing with a dmoron like Lord Jamar. Definitely my mistake. > >(2) if you or dumb reg can find one place in the post where my >point has been about how the fashion looked (as in my >opinion)…i'll wait. my point the whole time has been that the >homosexual lifestyle is being marketed to the youth > >(3) i said the early village people looking costumes a HANDFUL >of rappers wore were costumes. my evidence for this is…THEY >DIDNT DRESS LIKE THAT OFF STAGE. > >(4) i said rappers dress in the fashion of the streets. >theres no difference in how the treacherous 3 dressed or busy >bee or funky four etc and how the majority of NYC was >dressing…following that from biz markie to YZ all dressed like >regular cats. why people started asking questions about 3000? >like is he gay? lol cuz he stepped out the comfort zone of >dressing like his audience > >(5) is young thug wearing a costume? maybe. but it dont >matter to my point. in fact i think it strengthens my point. >if thats the angle of the marketing…who is it marketed to? >lol > >smfh > >they shoulda never gave you niggers internet. shoulda gave you >a library card. > >since you wanna read more…hit me up if you interested in >psychology. i wrote a really ill thesis on racial identity >salience. pretty sure its in the hunter library Good to know you can write. Maybe one day you'll mature enough to write something that someone outside of a 7th grader can relate to.
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2878009, again reading is fundamental Posted by howardlloyd, Fri Mar-28-14 04:08 AM
your just a sheep who engages and has submerged himself into groupthink
that's usually what happens to small minds easily influenced
if you don't think the homosexual lifestyle is being marketed than LOL
one of the editors from vibe a few years back told my photographer wife the whole reason he took the job was to "get the urban market comfortable with homoerotic imagery"
this was around the time cats was pinking it up and g-unit was running around with those feminine ass wife beaters
... it has just increased since
not that I expect your dumb ass to understand. you and your dumb ass partner made all kinda of leaps to what I was saying when all I said was they using hip hop to market homosexuality. is that "homophobic"? no it's a fact. but you so sensitive you can't even have a logical conversation
y'all were having a conversation about something else
whether people style looks ridiculous over time lord jamars mental state whether people in the streets wore dapper dan lol
everything except is this lifestyle being marketed
and anyone who says no is just BLIND
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2878016, Or just comfortable with their sexuality Posted by BigReg, Fri Mar-28-14 08:23 AM
I don't know about you, but I saw plenty of penises in gym class. Listened to a bunch of house music. Read Seventeen magazine (well, really jerked off to it, porn's hard to come by at 13 years old and my sister had a subscription)
Ain't none of em made me want to be 'gay'
If you guys are afraid dat gay now in hip-hop, just wait till the 'lifestyle' gets accepted as marriage equality goes, etc.
Plus, we are having a debate on an asswhipe who calls himself a 'hip-hop conservative' who's title is problematic as fuck.
So far you have danced around terminology (those are costumes, these are not) talked about the big money major labels (who have almost always been involved in hip-hop background shenanigans since Rappers Delight) and purposely worded your conversation because if you just replaced 'lifestyle' with 'gay' even you would see how ridiculous your argument sounds.
I just don't see what the issue is. Hair metal rockers were wearing full makeup, teased hair, ass jeans (and not always in "costume"). If there's going to be a whole subset of gay hip-hop, bring it as long as the music is dope.
As far as societal concerns are you've got things like the prison industrial complex, several high profile 'lets murk a black teen for the fuck of it' cases from Fruitville to the Florida movie shooting theater.
And if anything, outside of just the general US fucking with us its probably expected hyper-masculinity that leads to much of our downfall (gotta pay back disrespects, can't be seen weak, therapy? LOLZ, emotion is for pussies, etc). And yet you guys are worried about the gay mafia. I mean, by all means focus on who's sucking who's dick, it's your prerogative. But there are ultimately bigger fish to fry.
>your just a sheep who engages and has submerged himself into >groupthink > >that's usually what happens to small minds easily influenced > >if you don't think the homosexual lifestyle is being marketed >than LOL > >one of the editors from vibe a few years back told my >photographer wife the whole reason he took the job was to "get >the urban market comfortable with homoerotic imagery" > >this was around the time cats was pinking it up and g-unit was >running around with those feminine ass wife beaters > >... it has just increased since > >not that I expect your dumb ass to understand. you and your >dumb ass partner made all kinda of leaps to what I was saying >when all I said was they using hip hop to market >homosexuality. is that "homophobic"? no it's a fact. but you >so sensitive you can't even have a logical conversation > >y'all were having a conversation about something else > >whether people style looks ridiculous over time >lord jamars mental state >whether people in the streets wore dapper dan lol > >everything except is this lifestyle being marketed > >and anyone who says no is just BLIND > >
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2878019, either u can't read or u like having whatever Posted by howardlloyd, Fri Mar-28-14 08:53 AM
conversation in your head
every post u say things I never said lol
good day sir
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2877721, Don't act like this hasn't. been.spoken upon Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Wed Mar-26-14 04:46 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=156855&mesg_id=156855&listing_type=search
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2877739, You'd think this guy would be tired of being laughed at Posted by mrshow, Wed Mar-26-14 05:53 PM
I don't think Jamar understands Vlad is just exploiting his mental issues for views.
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2877810, it's amazing how ppl are so insecure about being "irrelevant" Posted by doug_e_doug, Wed Mar-26-14 10:51 PM
they're willing to cop pleas for anything out of fear of being "left behind".
this dude has one song.
just like keef chief. one fucking song. and 25+ men who still consider themself hip are scrambling to remain involved.
it's crazy to watch all the contortions year after year... from drake R&B rap made for your big sister, to dennis the menace rap like tyler the creator to whatever else...
this shit is what it is. stop trying to justify it for more than it is. these dudes likely will be replaced in 18 months.
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2877813, nope. Its about homophobia Posted by BigReg, Wed Mar-26-14 11:22 PM
Nigga Kanye fucking wifed up a the worlds most famous porn star star = questionable, pushing dat gay agenda.
Who else is there? A$AP Rocky was fucking that wanna be white chick rapper chick with ass, Chief Keef got kicked off instagram for putting up a pic of him getting dome, and quiet as kept Drake is racking up celeb numbers that rival Jeters (who said light skinned niggas is going out of style)
Obviously Young Thug is an extreme example (id argue he's got two songs btw) but I find it pretty fucking laughable the examples that the of the gay mafia (c) are throwing up as a sign of the dat gay taking over.
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2877888, maybe when discussing people like lord jamars POV... Posted by doug_e_doug, Thu Mar-27-14 01:27 PM
i'm not really responding to the OP. more so, people copping pleas for any and all stupid shit new, young rappers do so they don't come off like lord jamar.
one year 1990 cosplay rap with starter hats and acid wash jeans... next year it's neon lime skinny jeans and mr bojangles dances over bargin bin-level production next year it's rapping about throwing stinkbombs at old people in the mall, 666 and skateboarding next year it's straight up out the closet rap.
"buzz", manufactured or not, has people trying to rap their heads around the view counts and justifying it's merits.
it's just a new gimmick to sell you ho-hum mediocre material.
ppl don't want to get "left behind" so they follow the trends or at least justify why they "matter" all in an effort to remain "with it".
i mean a worthless musical act is a worthless musical act regardless of whatever angle they're coming from.
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2877826, Le1f shut him down too. Posted by CondoM, Thu Mar-27-14 02:15 AM
http://www.thefader.com/2014/03/24/le1f-responds-to-lord-jamars-new-yorker-profile/#ixzz2x6ONZLTK
dear Lord Jamar, Choose your battles. If the whitening of rap is a concern to you, please leave my name out of it. If you think being gay is the same as being white, you are as ignorant as your enemies. I’m darker than you. I’m african. I’m a black man and I experience all the same racism you do, if not more, on top of homophobia, including from black men just like you. Are you proud of being a hateful member of a majority? Rap started out as a creative response to oppression, and no matter my outfit, I know oppressions you will never understand. All respect, Le1f
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2877949, Fuck Le1f Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Mar-27-14 05:50 PM
I don't trust no dude that grinds on another dude's lap in a video.
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2877828, Lol, cats really are AFRAID of dat gay. It's downright weird at this point Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:32 AM
Even in the event that it becomes fad. It'll pass JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FAD. But when it comes to this particular fad, cats are super passionate about it like they are about no other fad. It's just kilts and shit, but cats start talking about homosexuality when homosexuality wasn't even mentioned. It, LITERALLY, is a fear... homophobia in the truest form. "A dress?!!!?!?? Dear God, don't it be the gayyyyyyy!!!!!!" Smh.
Furthermore, ok, so a rapper wears a dress... and? Mufuckas act like everybody's gonna rock that style and turn homosexual. Even if 5 rappers wear dresses, so what? Why is that a big deal? White cats do stuff like this and it's just whatever... nobody says "THEY TRYNA MARKET THE GAY TO US SUBURBANITES!" I understand historical context and all, but we are our own prison with this kind of shit. I will be fucking glad when dresses and gays and whatever else, no longer get the side eye and black people can be free like everybody else without being judged by other black people who fear that we'll all turn into flaming homos via some fucking garments.
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2877834, That skirt is cute No homo Posted by 81 DUN, Thu Mar-27-14 04:23 AM
I can hear the the youngins now lol
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2877861, thats wack and he is wack Posted by JAESCOTT777, Thu Mar-27-14 10:14 AM
next
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2877867, he was spot on as far as giving them an inch and they take 10 Posted by southphillyman, Thu Mar-27-14 10:28 AM
like a week after his combat jack interview that boy pussy song/rapper came out lol it is what it is personally i don't really want to be knocking gay hip hop and so i won't but if they create a market and get money....then do what it do it's obvious that an element of this stuff is going influence young listeners (if those listeners seek it out, that remains to be seen i guess)
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2877902, Give who an inch? What are they taking? Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:34 PM
>like a week after his combat jack interview that boy pussy >song/rapper came out
And?
>personally i don't really want to be knocking gay hip hop and >so i won't >but if they create a market and get money....then do what it >do
That's all there is to it. You don't have to listen if you don't relate. That's pretty much any rap you don't like tho.
>it's obvious that an element of this stuff is going influence >young listeners (if those listeners seek it out, that remains >to be seen i guess)
What do you mean by this? You mean young people are gonna be influenced to partake of boy pussy? What are you saying?
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2877915, the argument was that gay rappers could just be "normal rappers" Posted by southphillyman, Thu Mar-27-14 03:04 PM
who just happen to be gay lord jamar countered that that's how it would begin but that once the door is open there would be raps about deep throating dicks and all of that ppl said that was foolishness.....and then it happened whether u think that's an issue or not is another argument i guess
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2877917, RE: the argument was that gay rappers could just be "normal rappers" Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-27-14 03:20 PM
The boy P*ssy song is NOT the first graphic gay rap song though?
He does not even claim to be straight..
it'll never get played in a "regular" club..
So none of that shit he said is true...
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2877931, how is it not true when it happened? Posted by southphillyman, Thu Mar-27-14 04:19 PM
and if young thug really is gay then it's happening on a mainstream scale even
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2877946, RE: how is it not true when it happened? Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-27-14 05:41 PM
He said dudes would be singning along to a song about sucking dick in the regular club...
that shit aint happen.. nor will it.. Closest you will get is Imma Read type of record.
as for Young Thug.. Stoner and Danny Glover are also not closeted or overtly gay songs.. It doesn't matter what he does off the record the shit aint happen..
He is afraid of an imaginary gay boogie man.. that will ooze out through clothing.. that shit is stupid
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2877951, I didn't think cats would be freestyling about sucking dick Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Mar-27-14 06:00 PM
but...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O-vGgICHsg
nah they ain't influenced.
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2877954, RE: I didn't think cats would be freestyling about sucking dick Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-27-14 06:27 PM
lol lol lol....
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2877868, who cares this monkey is Wack Posted by urbgriot, Thu Mar-27-14 10:45 AM
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2877869, That's very stormfront of you, lol Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 10:47 AM
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