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2877631, dont young thug (& his hype) prove lord jamar's point
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 10:19 AM
...

i'm just saying


http://bossip.com/936952/suspect-stoner-young-thug-admits-to-wearing-little-girl-dresses-and-says-rappers-will-be-wearing-them-soon/
2877634, That's them young dudes
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Mar-26-14 10:32 AM
my era wasn't on that shit.
2877635, gay culture shouldn't be in hip-hop?
Posted by Menphyel7, Wed Mar-26-14 10:34 AM
2877640, it def has a place
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Mar-26-14 10:41 AM
if people don't dig it, just don't listen to it.
2877698, RE: gay culture shouldn't be in hip-hop?
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:10 PM
no his point is that mainstream corporations own hip hop and are using it to market "lifestyles" to the hood
2877870, lol "lifestyles" say Gay stop fronting
Posted by Menphyel7, Thu Mar-27-14 10:52 AM
2877876, RE: lol "lifestyles" say Gay stop fronting
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 12:50 PM
gay means happy homeboy
2877914, ok man
Posted by Menphyel7, Thu Mar-27-14 03:04 PM
2877639, 2 things though
Posted by BigReg, Wed Mar-26-14 10:38 AM
1)After being hypermasculine SOOOOOO long it moved into clearly parody territory, it's not surprising that there would be an era of blowback

2)Considering the loads of articles about how gender roles are changing/new roles men, etc...it it really surprising it filtered down to hip-hop?
2877660, ^^^
Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 12:41 PM
.
2877703, #2 especially
Posted by zuma1986, Wed Mar-26-14 03:34 PM
I mean Mos Def said it best

"Listen.. people be askin me all the time,
"Yo Mos, what's gettin ready to happen with Hip-Hop?"
(Where do you think Hip-Hop is goin?)
I tell em, "You know what's gonna happen with Hip-Hop?
Whatever's happening with us"
If we smoked out, Hip-Hop is gonna be smoked out
If we doin alright, Hip-Hop is gonna be doin alright
People talk about Hip-Hop like it's some giant livin in the hillside
comin down to visit the townspeople
We +are+ Hip-Hop
Me, you, everybody, we are Hip-Hop
So Hip-Hop is goin where we goin
So the next time you ask yourself where Hip-Hop is goin
ask yourself.. where am I goin? How am I doin?
Til you get a clear idea"
2877707, this is wrong though
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:50 PM
because hip hop is owned and controlled… (chuck dont call it black can these days now does he?)

hip hop useta follow the people… but now its the opposite

viacom
clear channel
seagrams

own hip hop. they set the direction.

theres more mini madlibs and dills out there than there are POP rappers…

but whats considered hip hop

what has the influence

who is directing it?
2877736, Man, shut the fuck up
Posted by BigReg, Wed Mar-26-14 05:39 PM
Like Run DMC wast cashing corporate yt checks, fucking sweatshop checks at that. Touring with the Beasties

Y'all gonna have to do harder to justify hating fags(c), revisonist ass niggas.



>because hip hop is owned and controlled… (chuck dont call it
>black can these days now does he?)
>
>hip hop useta follow the people… but now its the opposite
>
>viacom
>clear channel
>seagrams
>
>own hip hop. they set the direction.
>
>theres more mini madlibs and dills out there than there are
>POP rappers…
>
>but whats considered hip hop
>
>what has the influence
>
>who is directing it?
2877772, lol
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 07:11 PM
you a dummy

who said run-dmc wasn't getting money…

what i said was that corporate forces didn't dictate the trends in hip hop in the early days (definitely not as far as fashion)...

run dmc was on a fucking independent lol

adidas told them to rock the fat laces right…dont tie em up

fucking herb
2877742, Read The Big Payback by Dan Charnas
Posted by mrshow, Wed Mar-26-14 06:01 PM
2877773, wow wow wow. you askin these dudes to read?
Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 07:20 PM
flag on the play
2877776, Ha!
Posted by mrshow, Wed Mar-26-14 07:34 PM
2877780, post up ya degrees homey
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 07:50 PM
exactly

i forgot more than you ever read

make me laugh and point out something that sounds unintelligent.

i bet you start saying a whole bunch of shit i didn't even say
2877824, Lmao! You wild, dude.
Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:12 AM
2877649, yeah, because two b/c of the two most popular black artists...
Posted by Small Pro, Wed Mar-26-14 11:19 AM
...(prince and mj) weren't pretty dern feminine in the 80's
2877695, the difference between then and now...
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:03 PM
is in the 80s cats was dressed as performers/entertainers

NOBODY dressed like prince or michael jackson and brothers called em out on that BS then too

prince didn't even dress like prince out the glare of the cameras

smh
2877871, Charlie Murphy said everyone had on some fruity shit back then?
Posted by Menphyel7, Thu Mar-27-14 10:53 AM
2877656, gangstalicious in the flesh
Posted by LES, Wed Mar-26-14 12:11 PM
I always thought that episode was way too cartoonish but damn photographic evidence of a mainstream rapper in a skirt
2877662, have you not seen
Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 12:45 PM
Ye
Mos Def
Omar Epps

all in "skirts" recently
2877825, Hell Dre3k wore a full dress
Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:14 AM
2877664, he's obviously fuckin with folks
Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-26-14 12:46 PM
.
2877675, Not really because he tries to rewrite history
Posted by Luke Cage, Wed Mar-26-14 01:38 PM
Hip Hop came right off of the heels of Disco and was highly influenced by P Funk (who had a member wearing a wedding dress on stage) and of course Prince who debuted basically when commercial Hip Hop was born. Bambatta, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 and others all wore feminine shit long before any of these current dudes were born. Jamar likes to conveniently leave that out or say "oh well I wasn't really feeling that either" but the fact is dating back to the roots of Hip Hop there has been some "suspect" shit being worn by many of the genre's pioneers.

http://www.jhrlmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/grandmaster-flash-furious_five_fashion_small.jpg
2877680, yep...and thats where the argument stops prettty much
Posted by Kosa12, Wed Mar-26-14 01:46 PM
2877696, and ppl dissed the shit out of that too lol
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 03:07 PM
why is run-dmc so big???

because they were the first cats to present the hip hop image

flash and them were following the cot dayum disco cats. there weren't doing their own thing

if you went to the parks people were dressed like that? lol

i digress….

run-dmc defined hip hops look. the cats that came b4 were following the disco tradition.

run-dmc followed JMJ street couture style
2877779, People partied their ass off to them dudes
Posted by Luke Cage, Wed Mar-26-14 07:47 PM
The same way they partied to P Funk & Prince. If those dudes were "dissed" so hard their would have never been a platform for Run DMC to take it to the next level. They themselves were huge fans of Flash & Cold Crush so don't try and make it seem as if they weren't the stars of their era because of how they dressed.

>why is run-dmc so big???
>
>because they were the first cats to present the hip hop image
>
>
>flash and them were following the cot dayum disco cats. there
>weren't doing their own thing
>
>if you went to the parks people were dressed like that? lol

We're talking about the 70's. People didn't look to rappers to "represent thug life" or any of the common goofy shit that goes on now. They were seen as entertainers and entertainers have always been able to get away with wearing crazy shit.
>
>i digress….
>
>run-dmc defined hip hops look. the cats that came b4 were
>following the disco tradition.
>
>run-dmc followed JMJ street couture style

Run DMC defined the next era of Hip Hop look by appropriating what dudes in the street were wearing. The average joe wasn't wearing all leather outfits...that was an image. Just like Flash, Bambatta and all of the other's had an image.. You can't just erase the pioneers influence or act like people weren't feeling them simply because you don't like their style in retrospect.
2877783, reading is fundamental
Posted by howardlloyd, Wed Mar-26-14 08:13 PM
1 i said cats dissed them for that shit (how they dressed) and they did. did charlie murphy call em shirts and blouses? you think cats didn't clown em? did i say cats didn't rock to it?

2 run dmc dressed exactly how JMJ dressed lol. If you was a street dude with money in the 80s you did have leather blazers and pants and all kinda fly dapper dan shit

3 if you saying bambatta and flash and them was following the disco shit…you automatically admitting that was a leftover from the previous joint…

4 i know they were entertainers i said that. again my point is that rappers dont wear fucking costumes they dress how people in the streets dress. run dmc looked like cats in the 80s with money to me

5 i said how the pioneers dressed was wack…i bet muscles would admit that shit himself. never called them sack

6 never said anything about thugs and such... read more
2877843, Let me retort (c)
Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 08:20 AM
>1 i said cats dissed them for that shit (how they dressed)
>and they did. did charlie murphy call em shirts and blouses?
>you think cats didn't clown em? did i say cats didn't rock to
>it?

At the time not really. When niggas was rocking the extra smug nuthuggers in lets say Beat Street nobody cared. Of COURSE after the fact we can look back and clown the fashion, EVERYBODY clowns fashion after the fact ie modern rockers making fun of 80's hair metal, etc. Doesn't dispute the fact that androgynous fashion was popular in early hip-hop hey days (along with everyone else in the 80's). AT THE TIME, it was cool.

>2 run dmc dressed exactly how JMJ dressed lol. If you was a
>street dude with money in the 80s you did have leather blazers
>and pants and all kinda fly dapper dan shit

The thing was there as some pushback, JMJ had to TALK them into going street because it just wasn't popular at the time*. I also find it interesting leather pants gets a pass, lol

>3 if you saying bambatta and flash and them was following the
>disco shit…you automatically admitting that was a leftover
>from the previous joint…


>4 i know they were entertainers i said that. again my point
>is that rappers dont wear fucking costumes they dress how
>people in the streets dress. run dmc looked like cats in the
>80s with money to me

Very narrow view, but at least you stated "To me" meaning your opinion. At a certain point Run DMC VERY quickly turned into a costume (had to wear addidas 24-7, etc), by the time Tougher Then Leather came around things changed (Look at the fashion in the movie Paid In Full, which took place around that tour). Id also argue that they didn't really set a 'street' trend; Just Ice dressed like a coogi rastafarian, Slick Rick a Pimp, Kool Moe Dee was still rocking Eddie Murphy Leather suits...only thing that they had that was rocked on the street were their gold rope chains.


>5 i said how the pioneers dressed was wack…i bet muscles would
>admit that shit himself. never called them sack

See my response to #1, same way if I popped out wearing Karl Kani and Lugz id get clowned; all fashion falls out of style and becomes "wack".


*It sucks LL Cool J killed his career the way he did, because looking at it after the fact not only was he a pioneer MC he was also a pretty fashion forward dude in the 80's.
2877878, RE: Let me retort (c)
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 12:55 PM
do a search for dapper dan... MCM suits and all that shit

where did mike tyson fight mitch blood green? lol

if you dont think cats was wearing leather blazers and pants you buggin

and the nut huggers in beat street werent no where comparable to the COSTUMES entertainers wore. they didnt even STYLE loose fitting clothes

and JMJ dressed like that. was he a street dude yes? was he the "cool" one yes! lol. cats will argue anything to be right

again...the early rap groups followed a disco style (they made really fast dance tracks too...that didnt sample)

run dmc codified the hip hop style and sound that was found in the parks and on the street
2877894, do they have on leather pants?
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 01:54 PM
is it the 80s? are they famous? lol

http://static.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/dapperdanlvjackets.jpg

ok..this guy is famous
http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.messynessychic.com/static.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/606x1024xdapperdanredgucci.jpg.pagespeed.ic.DHzGob7m1R.jpg
and of course

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/photobooth/DAPPERDAN09a.jpg
2877897, RE: Let me retort (c)
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 02:13 PM

>that androgynous fashion was popular in early hip-hop hey days
>(along with everyone else in the 80's). AT THE TIME, it was
>cool.

this is an outright lie

i never saw one person dressed like that that wasn't on TV (mellee and bam and them)

and it wasn't considered cool

more rappers DIDNT dress like that

go ahead and write out a list of early rappers

funky four
treacherous 3 etc etc

didn't dress like that at all
2877901, We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point?
Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 02:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9O-pUGsVM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPplFQyWJh0

and if you want hip-hop movie chock full of questionable fashion choices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcn3ULXqRos

See, the problem is I have a nuanced view. Were there regular ass dressed dudes back then rapping? YUP. I never said there weren't. However, you aren't going to hear me cop please (those were entertainers! those were costumes!) like you are for those pretty feminine fashion choices alot of early MC's made.

2877913, RE: We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point?
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 02:59 PM
>See, the problem is I have a nuanced view. Were there regular
>ass dressed dudes back then rapping? YUP. I never said there
>weren't. However, you aren't going to hear me cop please
>(those were entertainers! those were costumes!) like you are
>for those pretty feminine fashion choices alot of early MC's
>made.
>
>

good duck and move

the point is MCs and BBoys dressed like the regular folks did

the rappers you are using dressed like that at designated times. they were costumes lol. if you don't understand the concept of costumes I can't help you

and u tried to use some outlier mfers to prove a point some point that was nonsense anyway cuz u ya self said it was a disco leftover. even more to the fact that NOBoDY dressed that stupid shit in the street. do you not see the designation?

the only rappers that dressed like that were the ones signed to majors (surprise) that came right behind disco

smfh
2877916, RE: We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point?
Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 03:10 PM
>>See, the problem is I have a nuanced view. Were there
>regular
>>ass dressed dudes back then rapping? YUP. I never said
>there
>>weren't. However, you aren't going to hear me cop please
>>(those were entertainers! those were costumes!) like you are
>>for those pretty feminine fashion choices alot of early MC's
>>made.
>>
>>
>
>good duck and move
>
>the point is MCs and BBoys dressed like the regular folks did
>
>the rappers you are using dressed like that at designated
>times. they were costumes lol. if you don't understand the
>concept of costumes I can't help you

I understand the concept of costumes, that's the thing. When Kanye puts on a mask he can't see through or rocks a kilt suddenly its "LIFESTYLE", yet when those old rappers were doing it was "COSTUMES" lol. You are the one moving the goalpost to fit your argument.

>and u tried to use some outlier

You asked me to name some, I did, now they are outliers, foh. Nigga, I gave you a whole movie.


>point that was nonsense anyway cuz u ya self said it was a
>disco leftover. even more to the fact that NOBoDY dressed that
>stupid shit in the street.

That's the thing actually, we beefing at Young Thug but when I saw him at SXSW dude had a gold chain, white t-shirt, and jeans on stage., OBVIOUSLY he's trolling, or using your vernacular, "A COSTUME"

Are the young hip-hop dudes dressing feminine or just pants that fucking fit as opposed to 20 years of baggy jeans and XXXXL t-shirts
2877920, RE: We just gonna run down lists of rappers to prove our point?
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 03:33 PM

>I understand the concept of costumes, that's the thing. When
>Kanye puts on a mask he can't see through or rocks a kilt
>suddenly its "LIFESTYLE", yet when those old rappers were
>doing it was "COSTUMES" lol. You are the one moving the
>goalpost to fit your argument.

who been wearing costumes in the last 30 years though? lol. you are a thick headed cat. my whole point of bringing run dmc up was to say that's when the hip hop style was introduced and it represented cats on the street and how they dressed. so you saying the old guys were wearing costumes - yes they were because people didn't dress like that walking around. and now u saying these guys is wearing costumes. u only proving my damn point lol

>>and u tried to use some outlier
>
>You asked me to name some, I did, now they are outliers, foh.
>
>That's the thing actually, we beefing at Young Thug but when I
>saw him at SXSW dude had a gold chain, white t-shirt, and
>jeans on stage., OBVIOUSLY he's trolling, or using your
>vernacular, "A COSTUME"
>
>Are the young hip-hop dudes dressing feminine or just pants
>that fucking fit as opposed to 20 years of baggy jeans and
>XXXXL t-shirts
>

I didn't know pants that fit = dresses
2877921, Where's a pic of Young Thug wearing a dress in the street?
Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 03:35 PM
or a pic of Kanye wearing a kilt off stage and not at fashion week
2877934, n/m
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 04:40 PM
have a nice day

you win
2877936, you know how bad the streets
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 04:50 PM
dissed breakin'???

lol…thats the most whitified hip hop movie of em all

herbs and johnny come latelys

i swear
2877943, So is honesty and comprehension
Posted by Luke Cage, Thu Mar-27-14 05:23 PM
>1 i said cats dissed them for that shit (how they dressed)
>and they did. did charlie murphy call em shirts and blouses?
>you think cats didn't clown em? did i say cats didn't rock to
>it?

In retrospect people clown styles from the past all the time. It's not as you described "the reason that Run DMC blew up". Never mind the fact that they had Russell Simmons, great songs and times change. Nope boil it all down to how they dressed.
>
>2 run dmc dressed exactly how JMJ dressed lol. If you was a
>street dude with money in the 80s you did have leather blazers
>and pants and all kinda fly dapper dan shit

So if that isn't how Run (A PK) and DMC (A good kid who went to St John's) truly dressed and they were just following JMJ's lead then how is that any different than what other folks did? It's still a uniform. Nevermind the fact that it was Russell's suggestion that they all dress alike and use JMJ as the model. If someone is telling you what to wear then guess what..that's a fucking costume. They're first videos and photos after they stopped wearing the plaid jacket that Run used to rock was very much planned and very much a uniform. Even if the idea is "Hey let's dress like dudes in the street" it's still a uniform/costume.
>
>3 if you saying bambatta and flash and them was following the
>disco shit…you automatically admitting that was a leftover
>from the previous joint…

Everything is "leftover" from another generation. Hip Hop wasn't the first or only genre were people dressed down to a certain degree. Punk did it (and had a big influence on some early Hip Hop fashion as well) before and so did Country.
>
>4 i know they were entertainers i said that. again my point
>is that rappers dont wear fucking costumes they dress how
>people in the streets dress. run dmc looked like cats in the
>80s with money to me

But your point is wrong because we already acknowledged that plenty of rappers have worn costumes/stage outfits. Regardless of why it was done it was done. There's never been a time in the genre when some significant portion of the culture didn't have some sort of stage gear on regardless of what that was. Whodini's style was very much a costume. Kwame's polkadots. All leather outfits, Biggie's whole fat dude with style look. the S1-W's look. All of these things are costumes and well thought out and planned.
>
>5 i said how the pioneers dressed was wack…i bet muscles would
>admit that shit himself. never called them sack

The way most dudes dressed 30 or 40 years ago is wack after the fact. Those MCM outfits were wack. Cross Colours was wack. Bell Bottoms were wack. That's what happens with style. Shit changes.
>
>6 never said anything about thugs and such... read more

I do need to read more...just not your posts because I gain absolutely nothing from it.
2877976, you and big reg are two of the dumbest
Posted by howardlloyd, Thu Mar-27-14 08:18 PM
(1) i didn't say the sole reason run-dmc blew up was fashion. that was ya dumb ass imagination. go look. if you think the styling and posturing of the group wasn't a major component to blowing up do you… go watch a documentary. but i was there lol. nobody wanted to be melle mel …everybody wanted to be run.

(2) if you or dumb reg can find one place in the post where my point has been about how the fashion looked (as in my opinion)…i'll wait. my point the whole time has been that the homosexual lifestyle is being marketed to the youth

(3) i said the early village people looking costumes a HANDFUL of rappers wore were costumes. my evidence for this is…THEY DIDNT DRESS LIKE THAT OFF STAGE.

(4) i said rappers dress in the fashion of the streets. theres no difference in how the treacherous 3 dressed or busy bee or funky four etc and how the majority of NYC was dressing…following that from biz markie to YZ all dressed like regular cats. why people started asking questions about 3000? like is he gay? lol cuz he stepped out the comfort zone of dressing like his audience

(5) is young thug wearing a costume? maybe. but it dont matter to my point. in fact i think it strengthens my point. if thats the angle of the marketing…who is it marketed to? lol

smfh

they shoulda never gave you niggers internet. shoulda gave you a library card.

since you wanna read more…hit me up if you interested in psychology. i wrote a really ill thesis on racial identity salience. pretty sure its in the hunter library

http://www.worldcat.org/title/effects-of-a-racial-identity-prime-on-reported-racial-identity-and-race-related-stress/oclc/703723856
2878006, This from someone who thinks Lord Jamar was right
Posted by Luke Cage, Fri Mar-28-14 01:22 AM
The dumbest thing I did was engage anyone who started off a post agreeing with a dmoron like Lord Jamar. Definitely my mistake.
>
>(2) if you or dumb reg can find one place in the post where my
>point has been about how the fashion looked (as in my
>opinion)…i'll wait. my point the whole time has been that the
>homosexual lifestyle is being marketed to the youth
>
>(3) i said the early village people looking costumes a HANDFUL
>of rappers wore were costumes. my evidence for this is…THEY
>DIDNT DRESS LIKE THAT OFF STAGE.
>
>(4) i said rappers dress in the fashion of the streets.
>theres no difference in how the treacherous 3 dressed or busy
>bee or funky four etc and how the majority of NYC was
>dressing…following that from biz markie to YZ all dressed like
>regular cats. why people started asking questions about 3000?
>like is he gay? lol cuz he stepped out the comfort zone of
>dressing like his audience
>
>(5) is young thug wearing a costume? maybe. but it dont
>matter to my point. in fact i think it strengthens my point.
>if thats the angle of the marketing…who is it marketed to?
>lol
>
>smfh
>
>they shoulda never gave you niggers internet. shoulda gave you
>a library card.
>
>since you wanna read more…hit me up if you interested in
>psychology. i wrote a really ill thesis on racial identity
>salience. pretty sure its in the hunter library

Good to know you can write. Maybe one day you'll mature enough to write something that someone outside of a 7th grader can relate to.
2878009, again reading is fundamental
Posted by howardlloyd, Fri Mar-28-14 04:08 AM
your just a sheep who engages and has submerged himself into groupthink

that's usually what happens to small minds easily influenced

if you don't think the homosexual lifestyle is being marketed than LOL

one of the editors from vibe a few years back told my photographer wife the whole reason he took the job was to "get the urban market comfortable with homoerotic imagery"

this was around the time cats was pinking it up and g-unit was running around with those feminine ass wife beaters

... it has just increased since

not that I expect your dumb ass to understand. you and your dumb ass partner made all kinda of leaps to what I was saying when all I said was they using hip hop to market homosexuality. is that "homophobic"? no it's a fact. but you so sensitive you can't even have a logical conversation

y'all were having a conversation about something else

whether people style looks ridiculous over time
lord jamars mental state
whether people in the streets wore dapper dan lol

everything except is this lifestyle being marketed

and anyone who says no is just BLIND

2878016, Or just comfortable with their sexuality
Posted by BigReg, Fri Mar-28-14 08:23 AM
I don't know about you, but I saw plenty of penises in gym class.
Listened to a bunch of house music.
Read Seventeen magazine (well, really jerked off to it, porn's hard to come by at 13 years old and my sister had a subscription)

Ain't none of em made me want to be 'gay'

If you guys are afraid dat gay now in hip-hop, just wait till the 'lifestyle' gets accepted as marriage equality goes, etc.

Plus, we are having a debate on an asswhipe who calls himself a 'hip-hop conservative' who's title is problematic as fuck.

So far you have danced around terminology (those are costumes, these are not) talked about the big money major labels (who have almost always been involved in hip-hop background shenanigans since Rappers Delight) and purposely worded your conversation because if you just replaced 'lifestyle' with 'gay' even you would see how ridiculous your argument sounds.

I just don't see what the issue is. Hair metal rockers were wearing full makeup, teased hair, ass jeans (and not always in "costume"). If there's going to be a whole subset of gay hip-hop, bring it as long as the music is dope.

As far as societal concerns are you've got things like the prison industrial complex, several high profile 'lets murk a black teen for the fuck of it' cases from Fruitville to the Florida movie shooting theater.

And if anything, outside of just the general US fucking with us its probably expected hyper-masculinity that leads to much of our downfall (gotta pay back disrespects, can't be seen weak, therapy? LOLZ, emotion is for pussies, etc). And yet you guys are worried about the gay mafia. I mean, by all means focus on who's sucking who's dick, it's your prerogative. But there are ultimately bigger fish to fry.


>your just a sheep who engages and has submerged himself into
>groupthink
>
>that's usually what happens to small minds easily influenced
>
>if you don't think the homosexual lifestyle is being marketed
>than LOL
>
>one of the editors from vibe a few years back told my
>photographer wife the whole reason he took the job was to "get
>the urban market comfortable with homoerotic imagery"
>
>this was around the time cats was pinking it up and g-unit was
>running around with those feminine ass wife beaters
>
>... it has just increased since
>
>not that I expect your dumb ass to understand. you and your
>dumb ass partner made all kinda of leaps to what I was saying
>when all I said was they using hip hop to market
>homosexuality. is that "homophobic"? no it's a fact. but you
>so sensitive you can't even have a logical conversation
>
>y'all were having a conversation about something else
>
>whether people style looks ridiculous over time
>lord jamars mental state
>whether people in the streets wore dapper dan lol
>
>everything except is this lifestyle being marketed
>
>and anyone who says no is just BLIND
>
>
2878019, either u can't read or u like having whatever
Posted by howardlloyd, Fri Mar-28-14 08:53 AM
conversation in your head

every post u say things I never said lol

good day sir
2877721, Don't act like this hasn't. been.spoken upon
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Wed Mar-26-14 04:46 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=156855&mesg_id=156855&listing_type=search
2877739, You'd think this guy would be tired of being laughed at
Posted by mrshow, Wed Mar-26-14 05:53 PM
I don't think Jamar understands Vlad is just exploiting his mental issues for views.
2877810, it's amazing how ppl are so insecure about being "irrelevant"
Posted by doug_e_doug, Wed Mar-26-14 10:51 PM
they're willing to cop pleas for anything out of fear of being "left behind".


this dude has one song.

just like keef chief. one fucking song.
and 25+ men who still consider themself hip are scrambling to remain involved.

it's crazy to watch all the contortions year after year...
from drake R&B rap made for your big sister, to dennis the menace rap like tyler the creator to whatever else...

this shit is what it is. stop trying to justify it for more than it is.
these dudes likely will be replaced in 18 months.
2877813, nope. Its about homophobia
Posted by BigReg, Wed Mar-26-14 11:22 PM
Nigga Kanye fucking wifed up a the worlds most famous porn star star = questionable, pushing dat gay agenda.

Who else is there? A$AP Rocky was fucking that wanna be white chick rapper chick with ass, Chief Keef got kicked off instagram for putting up a pic of him getting dome, and quiet as kept Drake is racking up celeb numbers that rival Jeters (who said light skinned niggas is going out of style)


Obviously Young Thug is an extreme example (id argue he's got two songs btw) but I find it pretty fucking laughable the examples that the of the gay mafia (c) are throwing up as a sign of the dat gay taking over.
2877888, maybe when discussing people like lord jamars POV...
Posted by doug_e_doug, Thu Mar-27-14 01:27 PM
i'm not really responding to the OP.
more so, people copping pleas for any and all stupid shit new, young rappers do so they don't come off like lord jamar.

one year 1990 cosplay rap with starter hats and acid wash jeans...
next year it's neon lime skinny jeans and mr bojangles dances over bargin bin-level production
next year it's rapping about throwing stinkbombs at old people in the mall, 666 and skateboarding
next year it's straight up out the closet rap.

"buzz", manufactured or not, has people trying to rap their heads around the view counts and justifying it's merits.

it's just a new gimmick to sell you ho-hum mediocre material.

ppl don't want to get "left behind" so they follow the trends or at least justify why they "matter" all in an effort to remain "with it".

i mean a worthless musical act is a worthless musical act regardless of whatever angle they're coming from.
2877826, Le1f shut him down too.
Posted by CondoM, Thu Mar-27-14 02:15 AM
http://www.thefader.com/2014/03/24/le1f-responds-to-lord-jamars-new-yorker-profile/#ixzz2x6ONZLTK

dear Lord Jamar,
Choose your battles. If the whitening of rap is a concern to you, please leave my name out of it. If you think being gay is the same as being white, you are as ignorant as your enemies. I’m darker than you. I’m african. I’m a black man and I experience all the same racism you do, if not more, on top of homophobia, including from black men just like you. Are you proud of being a hateful member of a majority? Rap started out as a creative response to oppression, and no matter my outfit, I know oppressions you will never understand.
All respect,
Le1f
2877949, Fuck Le1f
Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Mar-27-14 05:50 PM
I don't trust no dude that grinds on another dude's lap in a video.
2877828, Lol, cats really are AFRAID of dat gay. It's downright weird at this point
Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:32 AM
Even in the event that it becomes fad. It'll pass JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FAD.
But when it comes to this particular fad, cats are super passionate about it like
they are about no other fad. It's just kilts and shit, but cats start talking about
homosexuality when homosexuality wasn't even mentioned. It, LITERALLY,
is a fear... homophobia in the truest form. "A dress?!!!?!?? Dear God, don't
it be the gayyyyyyy!!!!!!" Smh.

Furthermore, ok, so a rapper wears a dress... and? Mufuckas act like everybody's gonna
rock that style and turn homosexual. Even if 5 rappers wear dresses, so what?
Why is that a big deal?
White cats do stuff like this and it's just whatever... nobody says "THEY TRYNA
MARKET THE GAY TO US SUBURBANITES!" I understand historical context
and all, but we are our own prison with this kind of shit. I will be fucking glad
when dresses and gays and whatever else, no longer get the side eye and
black people can be free like everybody else without being judged by other
black people who fear that we'll all turn into flaming homos via some fucking garments.
2877834, That skirt is cute No homo
Posted by 81 DUN, Thu Mar-27-14 04:23 AM
I can hear the the youngins now lol
2877861, thats wack and he is wack
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Thu Mar-27-14 10:14 AM
next
2877867, he was spot on as far as giving them an inch and they take 10
Posted by southphillyman, Thu Mar-27-14 10:28 AM
like a week after his combat jack interview that boy pussy song/rapper came out
lol
it is what it is
personally i don't really want to be knocking gay hip hop and so i won't
but if they create a market and get money....then do what it do
it's obvious that an element of this stuff is going influence young listeners (if those listeners seek it out, that remains to be seen i guess)
2877902, Give who an inch? What are they taking?
Posted by Clarence Clarke, Thu Mar-27-14 02:34 PM
>like a week after his combat jack interview that boy pussy
>song/rapper came out


And?


>personally i don't really want to be knocking gay hip hop and
>so i won't
>but if they create a market and get money....then do what it
>do


That's all there is to it. You don't have to listen if you don't relate.
That's pretty much any rap you don't like tho.


>it's obvious that an element of this stuff is going influence
>young listeners (if those listeners seek it out, that remains
>to be seen i guess)

What do you mean by this? You mean young people are gonna be influenced
to partake of boy pussy? What are you saying?


2877915, the argument was that gay rappers could just be "normal rappers"
Posted by southphillyman, Thu Mar-27-14 03:04 PM
who just happen to be gay
lord jamar countered that that's how it would begin
but that once the door is open there would be raps about deep throating dicks and all of that
ppl said that was foolishness.....and then it happened
whether u think that's an issue or not is another argument i guess
2877917, RE: the argument was that gay rappers could just be "normal rappers"
Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-27-14 03:20 PM
The boy P*ssy song is NOT the first graphic gay rap song though?

He does not even claim to be straight..

it'll never get played in a "regular" club..

So none of that shit he said is true...

2877931, how is it not true when it happened?
Posted by southphillyman, Thu Mar-27-14 04:19 PM
and if young thug really is gay then it's happening on a mainstream scale even
2877946, RE: how is it not true when it happened?
Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-27-14 05:41 PM
He said dudes would be singning along to a song about sucking dick in the regular club...

that shit aint happen.. nor will it.. Closest you will get is Imma Read type of record.

as for Young Thug.. Stoner and Danny Glover are also not closeted or overtly gay songs.. It doesn't matter what he does off the record the shit aint happen..

He is afraid of an imaginary gay boogie man.. that will ooze out through clothing.. that shit is stupid

2877951, I didn't think cats would be freestyling about sucking dick
Posted by Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Thu Mar-27-14 06:00 PM
but...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O-vGgICHsg

nah they ain't influenced.
2877954, RE: I didn't think cats would be freestyling about sucking dick
Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-27-14 06:27 PM
lol lol lol....

2877868, who cares this monkey is Wack
Posted by urbgriot, Thu Mar-27-14 10:45 AM
2877869, That's very stormfront of you, lol
Posted by BigReg, Thu Mar-27-14 10:47 AM
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